702 thoughts on ““New Zealand Is Turning Into A Really Racist Country” – updated 26 Aug 2015: Skin Heads and Hate Crimes.”

1. In comparison to China, when European men marry their wife, they stay loyal most of the time, yes there’s always an exception to that rule, but that’s the general census.

   Yeah. Right…..between 30 and 40% of Western men cheat, you ignorant fool.

   And you mean general ‘consensus’ right?

   For heaven’s sake your own English is appalling—-yet you claim to speak Mandarin better than most Chinese can speak English?

   • dont make this a personal battle

     • Wayne: Reece is an example of “white privilege” in action. Some people wish for a return to the old ways where there was a clearly defined racial hierarchy. Ignoring the fact that back in the “old days” … they’d not have the same opportunities to get ahead too.
       Rebecca: Everything is a personal battle. When enough persons get involved, things change.

2. China however, the man gains more face with every new addition of mistresses. They either cheat on their wives with prostitutes, or they have another if not a few more girlfriends on the side…. with all this going on, what gives Chinese the right to condem our relationship on the basis that I’m white?

   What an absolute load of rot. Most Chinese couples are a heck of a lot more loyal to each other than the case with Western couples.

   How the hell can Reece condemn purported infidelity among Chinese men, when in the West, 1 in 2.7 or almost 40% of men cheat anyway?

   Reece’s selective condemnation is ignorant, inflammatory, and utterly racist.
   http://tinyurl.com/6mee8oq

   The other thing. A Chinese man will never leave his family in the lurch. He will always support his kids, because not to support one’s family is the most unmanly of traits in Asian culture.

   The likelihood of a Chinese man abandoning his family, his children, is, I would guess much less than would be case for men of most other ethnicities.

3. My girlfriend (to be wife) is Chinese, and the majority of Chinese are ruining the reputation for the minority of Chinese like my girlfriend

   Again the facts as you present them are the best testament against your claims of ‘racism’.

   If you have visited Hong Kong or China you will note that these types of marriages or dating couples abound ie. white men with Chinese women.

   For the most part these couples are completely unmolested by the local population.

   Chinese have never lynched, castrated, or killed men of a foreign race for going out with their women folk, unlike whites.

   White people, unfortunately, occupy a highly privileged position in East Asia. They are hugely overpaid, by local standard, are waited on hand and foot by the locals, and even worshipped by them. In fact the worship is rather disgusting, and not something I would advocate.

   • Agree! White privilege is prevalent in Asia. There are plentiful of white kiwi loafers seducing quality girls in Asia, being an indian, if i behave the same, i would be labelled as ‘rapist’.

     • Agree with Vigilante, and here’s my take on it:
       3 opinions of mine, and observations (BONUS Steam game link at end!):
       -The “ethnic type” they’re looking for is close to Sendhil Ramamurthy, Tyson Beckford, Robbie Magasiva, Temuera Morrison, Godfrey Gao, Will Yun Lee, Takeshi Kaneshiro, John Abraham or Tahar Rahim.
       -Every other Asian guy who “succeeds” may (unfortunately) later learn he was considered by them to be a variant of Johnny Lever or Jackie Chan – only good as a bodyguard or jester … and “dropped when something “better” comes along”.
       -The ones who don’t succeed, I am guessing that the women/girls have wild ideas about their blood-relation to “Nai Yin Xue” and “Akshay Anand Chand”.
       And I’m sure one or both of us will get hit with the “you’re entitled” stick.
       Well, look at the guys they are talking about, when they mean they have a “Man Drought” (my bet’s on Dan Carter, Victor Vito and Richard Kahui, and I can’t name any Asian All-Black, no guys on the STEM side “these men are not the men Kiwi women are after”, is what I’m getting) … it’s my belief that there’s sheer entitlement, from my conversations past I heard and overheard something approaching “wanting to live in Cremorne St. (Herne Bay), while dropping out of MIT (Manukau Institute of Technology NOT Massachusetts Institute of Technology)”.
       There will ALWAYS be a “Man Drought” of the most successful men. It’s MATH! I believe a long and thoughtful analysis is what many of women/girls of New Zealand HAVEN’T done in thinking about that …

       I suppose the solution to their digusting allegations of “you’re a rapist” is to record them making those vile and life-ruining statements. With their names attached, and published to Youtube.
       For the more moneyed, legal action.
       False accusations MUST be SEVERELY punished.
       Social sanction sorts scumbags (I love alliteration).
       And too many people are loose with their lips when there are no long-term consequences. They should take notes from what happened in the case of Eleanor de Freitas …

       The other thing to remember, is, like it or not, if they don’t want to be flatting with many people come the big 4-0 …
       they’ll need to find someone who can put up with them enough to pay the (multiple-decade and increasing 50k per year in Auckland for houses and “body corporate maintenance fees for life” for apartments anywhere) mortgages.
       Some people don’t mind that though, so what you end up with is … just like in the halls of residence, late at night the unfortunate flatmate hears the bump-and-grind along with the moans. And it’s not “The Walking Dead” I’m talking about.

       If they choose badly (and keep that relationship going, DESPITE IT BEING BAD, and DESPITE THE GOOD CHOICES THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY AND DIDN’T TAKE AND WOULDN’T CONSIDER, they might wind up with (sarcastic lines begin):
       x_JAKUB_x, x_ROBERT_x, x_COLIN_x or x_x_DOUGLAS (those 4 “blokes” with a wide social circle and many good friends who are “shocked at the nice man’s actions”, that have a habit of beating/murdering on the woman – who chose them out of everybody else to be in a relationship with (I precisely selected and carefully edited the wording of that statement, looking forward to someone being enraged at the truth) … and those guys are all true-blue kiwis … Mr. x_COLIN_x is getting married soon too, CONGRATULATIONS!)
       Protip: type “jakub murderer nz” or “douglas assault nz” to get “The Knowledge”
       I couldn’t find the education level of x_COLIN_x, but the other 3? Oh, all UNIVERSITY (NOT polytechnic) graduates. Good earning potential. Tall, handsome. Prime filler for the “man drought”. Some are scholarship recipients too! (sarcastic lines end)
       Oh whoops, except for x_COLIN_x, they’re all in jail … (x_x_DOUGLAS offered a “princely” NZD500 of in reparation (no elaboration whether it was via an NZD5/week instalment plan) for 3 SEPARATE BEATDOWNS that the woman who chose to continue being his girlfriend endured… along with “discharge without conviction”, which didn’t succeed in convincing the judge. He should have tried 2 or more zeroes, inflation makes the price of “justice” go up 😛 … lucky though for x_COLIN_x) (Dammit, the sarcasm doesn’t end easily)

       In short, abandon AND disacknowledge the people who treat you badly (NOTE: Kiwis know very well how to shun – parallels with the Baha’i treatment of “covenant-breakers”?, so you have nothing to apologise for in the case of dealing with those who certainly have used that in the past).
       Let the violence of the consequences of their own choices (that you have nothing to do with, ideally record things so you aren’t falsely accused…), be the punishment.
       They can face life alone.

       You’ll be surprised at their outcomes. Remember, debt is the most civilised form of slavery! And, living well is the best revenge!
       You don’t owe love or money towards someone who doesn’t care about you, unless forced to by law … and if push comes to shove, you can always drop everything and get the benefit … or leave the country (I believe that’s one of the advantages any non-citizen has … takes 10 years to become a citizen in NZ 🙂 )
       Society can only continue to exist without being degraded, where there is honest and fair reciprocation towards its sincere, just and productive members along with protection and encouragement towards its weakest and youngest.
       “…if you’re careful with your life, you can use it until you die” – Old Man McCoy
       (This message was brought to you by the letter K for Kamma and the symbols Yin and Yang)

       If I have infuriated any “Social Justice Warriors”, please read this (funny) https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Social_Justice
       and this (also funny) http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=257887508
       kthxbai

4. Reece basically talks an absolute load of rubbish, and I doubt he has visited Asia at all. Maybe he has, maybe he has not, really it is irrelevant because his points do not make sense anyway.

   Chinese do not want to learn english?

   Absolute bollocks. Look at the huge number of english teaching jobs in Asia, not just China, but throughout all of East Asia, for native speakers of english. Surely that fact in itself belies the claim that Chinese are not interested in learning english.

   Here in NZ, of course newly arrived migrants will speak their mother tongues. But that is the same with all cultures here, whether Chinese, Korean, Samoan, Tongan, Italians, and Afrikaaners.

   The thing is the Chinese kids sure pick up English, and are encouraged to by their parents, and many outscore kids that were born here on national NCEA english exams.

   It is a sheer lie that Chinese will not speak English.

   The worse people in the world when it comes to adopting a foreign language are the Anglo Saxons. They are the only race who migrate to other countries, and not only do not adopt the local customs and language, but actively suppress the right of the original inhabitants to speak theirs.

   I have worked in Hong Kong for many years. The Portuguese people in Macau, learned Cantonese and assimlated with the local Chinese. Yet the English people in Hong Kong do not even let their kids born and brought up there learn Cantonese, for fear that they will go ‘native’ and send their children to ‘international schools’, which are schools mainly for white people.

   And in meetings if there is one non-Chinese speaker there EVERYONE without any protest will speak English for the benefit of that one Anglo Saxon in the room. And the Anglo Saxon will not even be grateful for it, but think it is something he should expect.

5. Well yes it is not only Asians being treated like that. I am from another country and are treated like that. I can not even find a job here with two degrees and many years of experience. I do not have an accent but am from the wrong country!!!!!! They will only use immigrants as cheap labour or to line their pockets.

6. sure there are some morons but most kiwis are from all over and love foriginers.

7. Just checkout http://www.newzealandracism.blogspot.com

8. New zealand is the nastiest and the most racist nation on earth….They are completely backwards and backstabbing bunch of people…

   You come and visit their country, spend all of your money and then they will kick you out of their country…

9. There is still a lot of misunderstanding between different cultures and what Reece said about Chinese men having mistresses or visiting prostitutes are what he had read negatively about Chinese men. The media enjoy churning out attention grabbing headlines. The ex IMF boss D.Strass-Kahn and the former Italian chief Berlusconi were not angels to their wives too.
   Someone told me a case of a Asian worker who was bypassed in two promotions in her bank as she was Asian and hence could not take the managerial position. The irony is that she had to train the 2 new managers appointed to do their jobs correctly. She could not stand a chance being a non Kiwi. The lady has since left the country and gone overseas.
   Racism does exist in NZ. You only have to listen to what the immigrants have to say aboout their experiences.

10. It sounds like you got a good dose of nastiness from both sides of the fence. I don’t envy your position! But as a European white person I would love to be fluent in Chinese – lucky you (in that sense)!

11. I would like you Reece, to answer a few questions. Why do you think you are not racist?
    Why do you think you must make an excuse for kiwi racists?

    Let me tell you what I have observed from your ill informed comments.

    Firstly is buying a luxury car or a decent house a reason for racism?, if this goes against kiwi culture of (” how traditionally we conserved and saved, making do with what we had without the need for copious luxury goods…”) then does that mean kiwi’s are un-accepting of cultures that are different from theirs?, or does it mean that when any immigrant arrives in New Zealand must they forget who they are or their reasons for coming to New Zealand??

    So tell me – “HOW DOES? this make kiwis feel when a segment of the population goes against the grain??”

    Why would anyone in their right mind leave their country for any other reason than for a better life than they already have?? ….healthcare and “air” etc may be advantages to some people, just as higher salaries in Australia are attractive to Kiwis crossing the border…..are these not for the same reasons?? A better life?? No immigrant would come to this country if New Zealand didnt have anything to offer them…. in return New Zealand gains skills and more taxpayers which supplements healthcare, social security and even your precious “air” not just for themselves but for every person living in New Zealand. It is always going to be a mutual relationship….

    Do not assume that it is easy to get into New Zealand just because of money that you think immigrants buy their way in with…….many immigrants come from Countries whose currencies values are significantly less than the New Zealand dollar and from places where they have to pay for their own healthcare and social security and no government assistance is provided….if you don’t work, you don’t eat or have a roof over your head, if you don’t pay for education, you live without it…

    So the skilled migrants that immigration is being so tough on when wanting to immigrate to New Zealand have paid their way in time and money to gain educations in their own countries which in turn benefits New Zealanders just for the very healthcare and “air” their pay for here by way of taxes. I can honestly tell you, any immigrant in his right mind will willingly pay less taxes and forfeit healthcare and take care of his own health.

    Ask yourself another question….or better still… ask your girlfriend what LANGUAGE is CHINESE? As far as i know there is no such language and how is it not offensive when Kiwi suddenly speaks “chinese” to someone who he assumes speaks “chinese”…..how did you know that they speak “chinese” and not any other language or even english for that matter?? If you are offended by someone speaking to you in english and assuming that is your language, how do you expect a chinese person not to be offended??

    Who is being racist now? You judging them by the way they look or them judging you by the way you look?

    What is so wrong about the chinese government funding classes to learn their language? Since as you say there is an influx of chinese people in new zealand, would it not be a good idea to build better relations with the people who live in your community?
    Is this an insult to the kiwi way of life to learn another language?

    Its like saying that by offering sign language classes in this country the government is saying that all hearing people must become deaf??? Does this make any sense to you ???

    By the Chinese government offering this service, does this not prove to you that the chinese people have no problem with you joining in their conversation when they speak to each other and instead not see it as an insult that they prefer to speak their language just as you prefer to speak english to your friends in a public setting as that is the language you are most comfortable with? Should then the chinese person feel insulted that you are not speaking his language when he is present??

    Have you thought about how considerate a chinese person is being by speaking your language (english) to you instead of speaking his language to you which is more comfortable for him and not expecting you to speak “chinese” or simply understand it?

    You are very quick to insult and demean a chinese man in saying that they have mistresses or see prostitutes…. exactly how many chinese men do you know to be able to paint them all with one brush but instead you want chinese people to be considerate to you with regards to your faithfulness regardless of the clear statistics that you yourself have pointed out….??

    Remember this one fact, china has a population estimated to be over 1 BILLION whereas the total population of New Zealand is estimated at just 4.4 MILLION. It is far easier to paint New Zealanders with one brush because of the small population but no one is doing this….so once again ask yourself who is being racist and judgmental??

    These are observations i have made of your comments and my personal answer to you.

    You may say that i am racist because of what i have said but as far as my comments go, you have no idea what race or nationality i am.

    So look at yourself and the way you have separated New Zealand whites from New Zealand asians and tell me this is not racism and how does your view differ from any other “so called racist kiwi” ??

    • The thing to watch out for is this:
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10787888
      “Students flee NZ over job fears
      By Elizabeth Binning
      9:30 AM Saturday Feb 25, 2012

      Finding a job is one of the biggest worries for today’s tertiary students – so much so that many are planning to leave the country when they finish studying.”

      “When asked what their biggest fear was once they had left study, 21 per cent of students said it related to whether or not they would be able to find a job in their chosen field.”

      My prediction (towards Asia) is for an increase in English teachers without any real qualification in teaching English beyond the cachet of coming from New Zealand,
      My prediction (towards NZ) is for an increase in immigrant labour and the use of the 90day probation as a chance for businesses to overwork people and shuffle them around so they don’t have to pay permanent salaries.

      “student loan holders who do go abroad tend to have bigger loans than those who remain here after completing their study.” International students will be paying for that shortfall, with no guarantee of a proper job (paying 5x the fees, and then having the perception around that they “bought their degrees”, while locals get to say they “got their degrees on merit”)
      At many universities I am sure the question that international students dare not ask is “will we get a job after we have finished here?” and the student advisors will deftly tell them that they have shortcomings which can’t be addressed (actually, it’s more like prejudices from others which can’t be surmounted).

      The funny thing about that article is that they never mention how many applications an international student has to send in to even GET an interview.
      What is interesting in such articles is what they leave out, not what they put in.

12. As far as racism is concerned in New Zealand, I admit that it’s very much alive. However, instead of complaining about it, immigrants should instead understand it. Why is there racism? When I was growing up, I didn’t see an Asian until about the age of 14. Now within only a few years, Asians are fulling up our streets, driving flash cars, buying luxury items such as cars, houses etc… All because they have more or less brought their way into New Zealand for a better life. These immigrants may or may not have the skills we lack, and may or may not necessarily be interested in working in any of those fields. Instead, they want to come to New Zealand for the social benefits such as health, air and a higher standard of living that they will never get in Asia. Because of this very reason, they aren’t interested at all in integrating into society, rather they want to segregate themselves and live their life as if they were in their home country. If they only took a look at themselves, they would understand why there is so much resentment towards them. 1. they don’t integrate into New Zealand. 2. Most don’t have any desire or aspiration of integrating. 3. They don’t see how their spending habits and bling actually go against the New Zealand culture, how traditionally we conserved and saved, making do with what we had without the need for copious luxury goods… how does this make kiwis feel when a segment of the population goes against the grain?? – Maybe NZ is a little behind the times, but progress such as this needs to be introduced slowly as culture is a mindset not easily changed. Instead, the so called “asian invasion” has dramatically changed things, too quickly resulting in resentment and “racism” but I think the same would apply in any country with such circumstances. 4. They only speak their language, or they speak English to you, but speak Chinese in front of you when another Chinese is present, completely cutting you out of the conversation. 5. They spit a lot …… I’m not saying that Chinese are wrong, and I’m not saying that Kiwis aren’t racist… All I’m saying is that for the most part, Chinese were originally culturally insensitive to New Zealanders which in turn created a butterfly effect still existing today.

    In addition I speak chinese, I lived in China for 1 year… I found it too racist and moved home. One reason for that was when I spoke Chinese to Chinese people (in China), they would only reply to me in English… how arrogant? not to mention how my Chinese is better than most of their English…. And how dare they assume my native tongue is English just because I’m white. Now I have returned home, I have noticed the Chinese government investing a lot of money nation wide to provide an avenue for non-chinese to learn chinese, encourage us to learn chinese culture and live and breath the language through the confusious institute…. now, where’s the logic in that when the Chinese are so superior to any other race that they refuse to speak their own language to a non-chinese citizen? My girlfriend (to be wife) is Chinese, and the majority of Chinese are ruining the reputation for the minority of Chinese like my girlfriend who are actually traditional, humble and sincere people who care about others and uphold the traditional and beautiful aspects of old China. That gets me started on another point, every single Chinese that has found out I’ve got a Chinese girlfriend from China has openly at some stage or another said to me or my girlfriend in private that our relationship will fail, we will get a divorce and that there’s no future. WTF? It annoys me so much. Looking at the statistics, married couples have a 20-30% chance of divorce, which is quite high in comparison to some Asian countries, but still low enough to unwarrant those unfriendly, uninviting comments that our relationship will fail. It hasn’t so far, and I can’t imagine it ever will. In comparison to China, when European men marry their wife, they stay loyal most of the time, yes there’s always an exception to that rule, but that’s the general census. China however, the man gains more face with every new addition of mistresses. They either cheat on their wives with prostitutes, or they have another if not a few more girlfriends on the side…. with all this going on, what gives Chinese the right to condem our relationship on the basis that I’m white? Answers please???

    • Reece I like you have lived in Asia and still do.
      I agree with all the points you made.
      The big problem is one of culture.
      India and China have ancient cultures and the people from these countries identify strongly with them.
      We have been taught, our culture does not exist but we must respect the culture of others.
      It’s a weird situation.
      Asians can justify their actions right or wrong based on their cultural views.
      We can not.
      I would love every liberal Kiwi to spend some time in Asia. Work there.
      Understand that real cultural differences exist between Asia and New Zealand.
      Maybe then they won’t be so carefree using the label “racist” and some real progress in terms of cultural understanding can be made. It would also encourage the development of more intelligent policy regarding the movement of people between the two regions .
      As somebody recently posted, Asian nations do not want immigrants from outside their own countries. This is understood. It’s what they want and they are completely honest about it.
      P.S. I still can’t take the spitting. Yuk.

      • Grover, perhaps you’d like to say where you live in Asia? Some countries have been affected more than others by Western intervention.

    • “hat gets me started on another point, every single Chinese that has found out I’ve got a Chinese girlfriend from China has openly at some stage or another said to me or my girlfriend in private that our relationship will fail, we will get a divorce and that there’s no future. WTF? It annoys me so much. Looking at the statistics, married couples have a 20-30% chance of divorce, which is quite high in comparison to some Asian countries”

      I like East Asian girls physically, and don’t pay attention to any liberals feminists – looks do count a little. We buy beautiful flowers. Physical attraction is nothing to be ashamed of and often reflects the personality and nature of the person. You fancy someone – it’s that simple – their way, their look, their personality.

      But, and it’s a big but, I wouldn’t trust any Chinese girl as my true girlfriend or potential wife, Until she provides me with a child. That’s Asian culture, not me. As long as she’s not into a a child, you’re more than likely a visa or a passport or money for her family back home in China.

13. Asians most discriminated against in NZ
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8417662/asians-most-discriminated-against-in-nz

    • In line with that, a reply to what Prasad said would be very interesting
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6399366/Making-your-education-investment-pay

      …
      Prasad #16 05:11 pm Feb 13 2012

      I think the way ford is to limit kiwis from going to university. It is too expensive and the country cant afford it.

      It makes more sense to say allow 25% of Students to be kiwis and have it free, Then the other 75% can be full fee payers from overseas like I was and then all foreign students should get residency after graduation. The rest of the kiwis who miss out can do ordinary work like supermarket,labouring and retail work, and then the graduates like myself dont have to do that low class work and have the high income statys wee deserve.

      and

      cm #6 11:06 am Feb 13 2012

      For every dollar the student invests, we taxpayers invest two. For that reason it is important that more students take course that actually have a real benefit to society.

      As for PhDs… their worth depends very much on the area.

      A BSc in Computer Science is enough to get you a job that pays well. On the job experience is generally considered more valuable than extra degrees.

      In chemistry, a BSc allows you to be a low-level lab worker. You need an MSc or PhD to be taken at all seriously.

      As for a PhD in French History…. well that’s pretty much worthless.

      My comment? I’d disagree with that idea of a STEM qualification “easily earning you a place in a higher pay bracket”.

      Reason being that your bosses are very likely unqualified, and intimidated by real credentials earned through hard work, critical thinking and an analytical process. The people who have only an “MBA without a first degree” are very likely to be both crooked and misrepresent themselves, since a (professional) degree indicates adherence to certain codes of conduct and the requirement to be audited … which HR overlooks to their legal detriment.

      It doesn’t help that for many instances of employment in NZ, it is not “what you know” but “who you know”.
      A professional will likely be turned down for a mate of the boss’ son, in any position where the faults of faulty personnel staffing decisions can be glossed over.

      Throughout all my enquiries for a STEM position in my field of qualification in NZ (over 50, not counting resume drop-offs to HR consultants AND positions in technical support (where I noticed the technicians could not perform proper diagnoses or explain what was wrong)), I did get the chance to hear one of them tell me that my resume would most likely be binned (despite the university I attended), and not to expect a reply since I was an international student (nevermind the fact that I had finished my qualification and had completed my course completely in New Zealand).

      • What is low class work?
        All work is honorable.
        “Kiwis can do this low class work.”
        These comments do you no favours.

        • Note to readers those were Prasad’s comments being quoted by P Ray, not his own.

        • Grover,
          please don’t lend weight to this article.
          Thank you.

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10778099
          “New Zealand needs to do more to improve our workforce’s literacy, numeracy and language skills if we are to achieve significant economic growth, according to business leaders.”

          Turning away qualified people will have a knock-on effect, that will certainly affect national growth.

      • Interesting.
        I look back at that article I referenced earlier,
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6399366/Making-your-education-investment-pay

        and all the comments have been removed

        Protip: There is a lot of hidden censorship in New Zealand, now there is a clear and verifiable example!

        I wonder what all of the shiny-eyed zealots of New Zealand, think about their “free speech” and “we’re not like repressive regimes” twaddle now …

        • @P Ray: The censorship in New Zealand is omnipresent. I remember how Stuff would refuse to publish certain comments and I have seen Stuff delete comments in favour of one side of the story after the fact. New Zealand practises an incredible amount of censorship and the Kiwis themselves are the most intellectually dishonest people that I have ever encountered. I hope you are able to leave there soon.

14. Who thought that the Kiwis are down-to-earth, friendly and helpful when the large majority of underclass are into bad manners.A Caucasian lady stole my parking lot in a Westfield Mall in Auckland some years ago even though she saw me waiting for the other car to get out of the car park lot.Even the other car driver, an Indian lady was so upset with this lady’s action of bullying or inconsiderateness that she stopped her car and spoke to me.
    I also heard of a customer spitting into a jeweller’s face as she thought that the jeweller took some grams of her gold away from a ring she sent to him for melting. These are crude and uncivilized manners coupled with going out with no shoes, smelling awful, unkempt hair and clothes. I have been to many other countries and still have not encountered people yelling at you from their cars or throwing drink cans at you. Does anyone has similar experiences in other countries?
    The gentrification of the underclass will take more than 3 generations if any government bothers to spend any budget on them…it is a long way to civilized society in NZ. One reader from UK is really right about NZ; it is a South Pacific island more than a first class country with superior infrastructure.
    Bullying the refugees is the same as opposing the Chinese to buy the Crafar farms as the paper shows that Americans, Canadians and even Liechtensteinians are buying far more land than the Chinese.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6368089/Who-is-really-buying-New-Zealand
    “Land Information Minister Maurice Williamson has called the negative reaction to the Crafar farms xenophobic and racist.

    Williamson said that when Canadians, Americans, Germans and Swiss bought farmland there had not been a ”mutter or a murmur”.

    So the Kiwis are ignorant and display their fears making a mockery of themselves.
    I suggest they should turn themselves into the next North Korea where nobody gets in and nobody gets out and all things stay status quo for the next hundreds of generations. Nobody will be complaining of oil diggers coming to steal the oil, etc and you don’t have to sell state assets as well so no more protests at Waitangi Day.
    NZ will have peace eventually….

15. Refugees say bullying part of New Zealand culture :

    http://www.newswire.co.nz/2011/06/bullying-part-of-nz-culture-say-refugee-youth/

    from the fire to the pan? from the pan to the fire?
    poor people 😦

16. It’s funny how most Kiwis hates the asian community here while the government seems to believe that the Asians are the key to having a better NZ economy. Maybe one should sent this blog address to all decision makers or government representatives in Asia who has the idea of having an agreement with NZ government. A warning that they will just use, their people, the Asians as a tool or better yet, Cash Cows and not respect them as a human being. I’m just saying…coming from my personal experience of Asian racism.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10783278

    Just take a look around the area in Auckland. Most restaurants are dominated by Asian Restaurants – thai, malaysian, chinese, indian. 2dollar shops owned by Asian businessmen are the one thriving. These businesses are probably one of the biggest contributor in the NZ economy.

    • “government seems to believe that the Asians are the key to having a better NZ economy” –
      Um, no, the government believes that ASIAN MONEY is the key to having a better NZ economy. Not the real live Asians attached to the money. 😉 They can piss off. IMHO that’s the attitude.

17. Much like academics are more petty and vicious because the stakes are so small, New Zealand feels extra-ferocious about being “overrun” by foreigners because there’s so little land to run over.

    • Except for when James Cameron want to buy a few farms and he’s welcomed with open arms. Would he have had a different reception if his name was Jackie Chan?

18. Racism is everywhere but mostly in new zealand as people in this country don’t have any respect for other human beings in this world. They are mostly racist towards asian and often throwing rubbish at them or even beat them to death because they are asian…

    • exactly, and the worst thing is how they deny this happening or try to give some pathetic excuse (see above posts as an example…), the kiwi thinking is monolithic and full of denial, one of the reasons that make nz such a s**t place to live in…

    • An interesting discussion about that:
      http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30217
      “Kiwi experience is a very subtle coercian tool. It is a way to take away your power and hand it over to the arbitrary legitimizers.

      Example. If a job requires more qualifications, I can empower myself to get the qualification.

      I can’t empower myself to get Kiwi Experience. I have to hand over my power to somebody else to do it for me.

      Therefore, New Zealand, for migrants, is not a true meritocracy. It is a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy.

      For some Migrants, the constraints of Kiwi Experience are loosened. For others, tightened.

      Then New Zealand wonders why it flounders in the OECD. Because it doesn’t want people to win. It wants certain people to win – not all people.”

      • “Kiwi experience” is imo an excuse to legally get away with discrimination (I’m not sure if they can be sued for racism in backwards nz, as happens in the US…).
        It’s a load of bull*****, what makes the “kiwi” in the experience so special?

19. E2NZ :
    Interesting thought but wrong on so many levels. What would you do, construct a league table of racism for every country in an effort to show how New Zealand compares to other countries?
    Wouldn’t a better alternative be to examine a country’s record on combating racism. i.e. how much it tolerates racism or not: For example the establishment of robust and progressive anti-discrimination legislation, effective enforcement of it and suitable penalties for breaking that legislation. The presence of proactive policies in education, sport, media and in the workplace.

    How a Government [says it] wants to tackle racism and how the people of the same country feel and act are two very different, and often mutually exclusive things.

    Governments that try to control peoples thoughts are in the fine company of North Korea – and isn’t that a glowing ideal.

    If you want to measure a countries approach to racism [and that is a country of people, not a government] then you must look at what is real and happening, not the polished message of a bureaucrat.

    Racism is everywhere – period. The sales pitch of a government do not change that, at best it might suppress the obviousness until a blow-up happens. Pick a country, any country, and I’ll rattle off a list of racial atrocities.

    The mere fact that you have dark skin is not always the reason you are harassed. The notion that you did not get a job because you are a Jew is mostly ridiculous. The fact that you got a glass shoved in your face is almost certainly just because you are one of those making up numbers in the human race.

    Where would you rather live E2NZ? In Auckland where you “might” get a drunk might call you a name and where the odds of you getting punched are below the average of Kiwi’s ——> or in the Middle East where they might beat you to death for what they think your beliefs might be?

    Racism is everywhere, the only way to measure it is in relativity. If every country is bad at best, because some racism is exhibited, then all you can do is aim to avoid the worst.

    The ideal is great, but it is just that – an ideal. Pick the best country you can, make it your home and do your bit to make it a better place.

    You obviously believe racism is an issue and I wholeheartedly agree. It is the scale of that issue, the misinformation on that issue, the wrongful reporting of that issue and the festering racism that the aforementioned perpetuates that I loathe too.

    As an aside, I have been called a racist in the past few weeks. I parked my car, with my wife and child, at a supermarket in Brisbane. Why was I a racist that day? Because the person I did not see that was also going for the same spot happened to be an African of some descent.

    Surely right now, in a pub, club, home or forum that person is prattling on about the racist, egalitarian bastard that took a car space based on race. Maybe they’re on here right now!

    I have said my bit and care no more to explain an alternate view. I hope you find your Utopia one day.

    • And you too Scott.

20. I’m not a Kiwi.

    Scott, you also said

    We ask that visitors to our country are respectful of our way of life and do their bit to enjoy it without trying to change it. We live here for a reason you know!

    which is it Scott? are you’re a recent convert to the New Zealand culture and eager not to have your belief system shattered. Is your way of accepting it to tell yourself that other places are so much worse?

    What if they’re not?

21. Kiwi is australia are just as racist as when they are in nz. In fact, the new zealander is no more of less than a nazi race

    • and full of hot air too, like a belly after a meal of beans lol!
      all noise but no real substance, and full of lies as well 😉

    • Scott seems to be the only one here making his point whilst taking others opinions into account. It’s all fair to say there are racist people who are from New Zealand, but don’t you think it’s a bit strange to class all New Zealanders as racists for the actions of a few? And on the point of nazi’s, are all Germans racist for what one group from Germany did?
      I myself am a kiwi, and am fully aware of racial problems not only here but throughout the world. I own my own home where I flat with a guy from China. I made the choice to have him as a flatmate, and no where along the way did I think not to have him because of where he is from. He loves it here in NZ, and I can appreciate that some people will have had bad experiences, but so have we who have lived here, and so probably have you wherever you’re from!
      Some of you seem to be fighting something you hate with the exact same methods used by what you’re fighting against. Open your minds a bit and try and see that no matter where you are in the world there will be ‘racists’ and whoever else you don’t like, but there will always be people you can get along great with too!

      • @Nikita:
        Read this and educate yourself:
        http://www.peopleofcolororganize.com/analysis/opinion/10-conversations-racism-im-sick-having-white-people/

22. Anyone fearing moving to NZ based on some fear of racism is sadly misguided. It seems all too easy for people to decree a race as being racist (which in itself demonstrates great prejudice and strong racism) based on little more than what they’re seen on a sensationalised tv report from India or a headline grabbing story locally.

    The facts are that NZ, and even moreso Australia, are very welcoming places that on a global scale are SAFE. You don’t need to worry about getting shot, stabbed, attacked, blown up, run over, robbed, organs stolen :), kept hostage or any of those wonderful things that you DO need to be mindful of in much of Asia, Africa, Europe, South America or indeed some parts of North America.

    Many of those reported “race crimes” are perpetrated by peoples own countrymen, certainly in many of the examples of the “Indian student attacks in Melbourne” that were apparently so bad that the Indian Govt declared a travel warning on their website. 120,000 Indians visiting Australia at that time, 1240 crimes recorder against Indian visitors, 23 of those had a racial tone, half of those were committed by Indians visiting Australia.

    It is all too easy to brand a whole nation on the actions of a very few and it make me laugh that those who perpetuate the Australian/NZ myths seem to be the most racist of all. If not through the troubles in their other homelands, through their hatred of their own countrymen.

    I take no issue with anyone being concerned with racism in where they wish to travel – who wouldn’t check out the likelihood of running into trouble in a foreign country? I do take serious issue with the number of fools that throw around “racism, prejudice, bigot” without due care and certainly without understanding what those words actually mean.

    On the OP’s original statement, yes, you will find racism in NZ. You won’t find us herding up Indians and beating them to death with sticks and rocks as you might see on the Asian continent. You will not see us dragging them from their cars and setting fire to a petrol soaked tyre around their head as you might in Africa. You will not see us kidnapping a busload of you for ransom as you might see in South America, Africa or parts of Asia.

    You might overhear someone use a name that you don’t like – I would like to guess that if you were unlucky enough to hear it that there would be a 90% chance that, whilst derogatory in nature, it was not said with any malice or intention to offend.

    We ask that visitors to our country are respectful of our way of life and do their bit to enjoy it without trying to change it. We live here for a reason you know!

    Anyway, sorry to ramble on. We love our visitors down here. We love to learn about our differences and we love to embrace the good we see in you.

    Enjoy your time down here for the 99% of good you see, not the 1% of bad.

    • Thanks for the reply Scott, when you say “here” where do you mean exactly? Your IP address places you in Queensland, Australia. What made you leave New Zealand?

      Whilst groups of Indians have not been chased away with sticks in New Zealand there have been random acts of violence against them that are very disturbing. The following two examples were both perpetrated by Kiwis.

      Indian Shoppers Attacked In Auckland Shopping Mall
      An Indian gentleman who was beaten kicked in the head in an Auckland shopping mall in front of his young daughter. His assailants were female pupils from Mount Albert Grammar School.

      The attack came around the time that journalist Paul Henry was making racist comments about India on the state broadcaster. A spokeswoman for TVNZ said “The audience tell us over and over again that one of the things they love about Paul Henry is that he’s prepared to say the things we quietly think but are scared to say out loud.”

      India’s High Commission Disgusted At Racist Attack In Hastings, NZ
      Rakesh Kumar, 71, was subjected to a violent attack whilst hosting a dinner party at his home in Hastings, NZ. A drunken mob invaded his house, assaulted him and hurled racist abuse at him. The May 8 attack began at 8.45pm, when a heavily intoxicated Jason David Macklow, 21, directed racial slurs at the family property on Oliphant Rd, calling them “black c**ts”, and “f**k off Indians“. The incident was serious enough for the Indian High Commission to become involved and attend the hearing for the accused.

      Finally, we direct anyone considering migration to New Zealand and who is concerned about encountering racism to read this blog post from February 2010

      Discrimination Against Asians Still A Key Issue In New Zealand
      Asian New Zealanders and international students continue to experience racial discrimination and harassment, according to a report released by Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres.

      It seems that discrimination has increased over the last year (perhaps this is a result of a ‘kiwis first’ mentality during the recession?) with Asians being the most discriminated against. Overall around 10% of New Zealanders experienced discrimination and it looks like police still don’t collect data on racially motivated crimes, despite recommendations in the United Nations Periodic Review of New Zealand and the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.

      Read on…

      • I don’t doubt there have been attacks on Indians. I also don’t doubt there have been attacks on Chinese, Koreans, Greeks, Australians, New Zealanders, New Zealand Maori or perhaps even Eskimo’s should they visit from time to time.

        What I do query, is whether or not racism is always driver for these things. Clearly in the case of all the issues in Melbourne, the overwhelming majority of crimes against Indians were simply against Indians because they happened to be the unlucky ones at the time – and that would be true of most incidents involving people from other countries.

        It is easy for a group of “eager beavers” to get together in a forum and pat each other on the back claiming every other thing as racism but in reality, the likelihood is what is experience much of the time is simply another lesson from the school of hard knocks.

        I absolutely agree that racism exists – I don’t think it is fair to brand an entire country as being racist though…. atleast not without qualifying it to say “XYZ country is X% more racist than somewhere else”.

        Perhaps pick a country, lets call it Utopia, and grade each other country against it based on the number and severity of racial incidents perpetrated by people who call that country home.

        Now really would give some clarity to the matter.

    • Scott, you seem to worry a lot about losing revenue from international students, why can that be? oh right! never mind, especially if you went to Aussie like many of your mates…
      I find nothing more pathetic than kiwis telling us there is no racism. LOL! tell that to me who has endured bullying, name calling and shouting from cars. Tell that to a friend who was almost glassed by a stoned loser in Auckland. Tell that to the bright graduate who couldn’t find a job. Tell that to the exchange student who was almost run over and told to f*** go home. Tell that to all the people who have lived hell in Christchurch.

      What is most pathetic is the arrogance in telling us these things when your kind is the one responsible for the racism! Go buy a mirror and have a good look, you may learn something about nz.

      • Oh dear, lead with your chin then…

        Moonlight :
        Scott, you seem to worry a lot about losing revenue from international students, why can that be? oh right!

        Not at all, I have no interest in monies from Students or Education. Certainly not in NZ!!

        Moonlight :
        never mind, especially if you went to Aussie like many of your mates…

        I’m not a Kiwi.

        Moonlight :
        
        I find nothing more pathetic than kiwis telling us there is no racism. LOL!

        I’m not a Kiwi.

        Moonlight :
        tell that to me who has endured bullying, name calling and shouting from cars.

        Like every other person I have ever met? When it happens to me I just assume they don’t like me for some reason.
        I guess you just blame it on racism?

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to a friend who was almost glassed by a stoned loser in Auckland.

        Like every other person who actually WAS glassed but didn’t have racism to hang it on?

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to the bright graduate who couldn’t find a job.

        Like every other skilled and developed individual that missed a job…. but this one had race to cling too?

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to the exchange student who was almost run over and told to f*** go home.

        Same thing happened to me in Christchurch!

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to all the people who have lived hell in Christchurch.

        Tough town. What else would you expect in any tough town anywhere else in the world?

        Moonlight :
        What is most pathetic is the arrogance in telling us these things when your kind is the one responsible for the racism!

        And what kind is that? (personal attack deleted by E2NZ)

        I didn’t throw 2c in for an argument, I chipped in for an alternate view. Something I would have thought a thread full of people searching for open discussion on a sensitive and polarizing subject would embrace.

        Funnily enough, I’ve encountered limp responses that include little more that the same things that everyone I know has endured at some time or another.

        My comments in my original post were not meant to cast NZ as a “racist-less” place, but as a place where you should not fear travelling to for its racism issues.

        Please enlighten me with any Country on this planet where strong racism, prejudice or oppression are not or have not been a REAL issue.

        In this world, racism is a debate about relativity. It is either better or worse than somewhere else – not is it there or not.

        • Interesting thought but wrong on so many levels. What would you do, construct a league table of racism for every country in an effort to show how New Zealand compares to other countries?

          Wouldn’t a better alternative be to examine a country’s record on combating racism. i.e. how much it tolerates racism or not: For example the establishment of robust and progressive anti-discrimination legislation, effective enforcement of it and suitable penalties for breaking that legislation. The presence of proactive policies in education, sport, media and in the workplace.

          Did you know that NZ police won’t even collect data on racial abuse and the government say its not a priority? There is no data to even work with in New Zealand so how can anyone judge the effectiveness of anti-racism initiatives.

          Even New Zealand’s Race Relations Commissioner, Joris de Bres, has asked for that. As far back as September 2009 we covering reports which stated that everyday ‘race hate’ is rife in places like Christchurch. At that time Joris de Bres said race-hate crimes were a problem not just in Christchurch but around the country and were occurring more often than was reported to police:

          “It’s becoming more and more urgent for police to gather data of racial abuse. The Government does agree but has said it’s not a priority. People needed to report their experience and schools needed a culture of tolerance and respect, he said.”

          p.s. please don’t give your comments the thumbs up before they’ve even published. That’s just silly and who are you trying to impress anyway? 🙂

          • Hello Scott,
            I am a bit uncertain of who you are exactly, Aussie..(?) from what i gather, not kiwi you told so, So my question is; On what facts and knowledge can you tell that, racism isn’t perpetrated on a daily basis in NZ ?
            Although i agree with you that calling a Country racist isn’t, cannot be accepted as verified and absolute fact. I mean by this, not 100% of the people of a Nation is racist, and if it would be so, I believe this would come down to probabilities of 1 upon a very large number.
            This said, if 100% of the people can’t be racists, what if 60% of this Nation, let’s call them a “Cast”, is actively, on a daily basis, exerting random, racially motivated assaults against a specific representative Ethnic group, with knowing, that they’ll receive NO or very rare penal retributions for their bestial deeds, for the Government has its Own agenda of demeaning by all means possible and unimaginable, This specific group.
            What if of the people, 70% of this “cast” Is racist, or 80% or more or less.. , How can You tell then, how deep the rabbit hole is , and how to measure the degree of racism ?
            Wouldn’t you feel the same way in face of an institutional prejudice, that you’d endure and try to make up with ?
            How much racist would you deem this country to be, would you say ” Ohh by Jove, this country is 60% racist, yet my life is hell ..arrrggghhh ” , just ask yourself what would be your exact words ?
            I was contemplating immigration, as i pictured NZ as “Heaven on earth”, close to nature, friendly, welcoming,then a friend asked me “do you know anything about the place ?” ..” heuu well ..humm No ! ” , obviously i have now my answer..
            Why, because i can tell from all the comments, from several Youtube videos, from forums on the web, ALL relating to Police random and systematic targeting ID controls and checks, discrimination at school, work and in job prospects, Judges not investigating misdeeds of Police and Citizen against Ethnic minority groups.
            How do You, with all these testimonies, find there is no ground at all to conclude ” This country IS racist !!!” .. Especially when you Do Not live there, you’re Australian and you live in your country !? BTW, just for informal purposes, check out some youtube vids on Australians’s rants, in the metro, the streets etc..
            I live in France, i am Black, and I experience racism on a daily basis, not from 100% of the people, yet a very large majority, and believe me, not all of it comes from White people, but too from Algerians, Tunisians, Africans …yes Black men and women discriminating Me, for my skin is the mix of my Caribbean Mom and White Dad..go figure !?
            In a word, racism has many faces and many forms; “In your face”, violent, latent and sneaky, institutional, constitutional (ie;Apartheid), and the worst of all; against One’s own ethnicity.. Until you have lived it, had the experience of the guilt One may feel yet being the victim, the questions you ask yourself ” have i done something to bring this upon myself?”..until you have had these repetitive experiences once, twice, thrice and on and on, You Cannot/ Should not speak out of turn..rather listen and feel for your fellow human.I write this because i understand your heart is in the right place..just like many other but not like Everybody !
            Peace to all

23. I’m a Filipino,and I was planning to study Phd in New Zealand.Are all these experiences really true?After I read your comments here, I’m thinking twice about pursuing my plans. I finished my master’s degree in Brisbane two years ago, met two minor (tolerable) incidents of racism. I don’t know why, but it seems that the comments I’ve read here so far are scaring me more than what I’ve personally handled in Australia.

    • One word: DON’T.
      Racism is the same, if not worse, than in Australia and job opportunities are ZERO, especially for people with advanced degrees. The quality of lecturers is appalling, you will have no support whatsoever and will be used as pawn for your supervisors benefit. Many people drop out of their programs because of this, a little secret they keep well hidden.
      Go to Europe or North America, or if not possible, stay in Oz, you will be much better off there!

      • I’m a kiwi living in Australia (Brisbane). My partner who I met overseas is Korean, we moved to (for me back to) New Zealand together, and experienced most of the racist stuff people have talked about here:

        *Being randomly told “go home Asian” on the street
        *Being discriminated against both in job application and interviews – this is by far the worst as it affects your life on a deeply personal level
        *My partner was often passed over in shops by attendants, and treated with disrespect when I wasn’t there
        *being told by acquaintances “If you don’t like it leave”.
        *…

        Well in the end we did leave. Moved to Oz – Brisbane. We both love it, and have not experienced anything like the problems in New Zealand (read essentially nothing in four years). We’ve also lived in Canberra (five years) and LA (two years). No problems in those places either.

        This is a very kiwi problem, unfortunately.

        …and you’ll get a better education in Australia too.

        It’s great over here! So if anyone out there in kiwiland’s not happy – make the move. You won’t regret it.

        • At least she is lucky she got an understanding kiwi partner like u. unlike me, my partner never understand about the racism situation that i faced here. his responds towards my complained are just the same like other racist kiwi. “go back to your country if u don’t like what people said about you.”

          I work dealing with the customer in a service industry. I always get a racist remark from a white kiwi. I once deal with a grumpy customer and straight away he said “i don’t want to talk to you, you have no PR,”

          What he means by i don’t have a PR skills while I’m just explaining to him about the issue he was facing. He just straight away can’t accept my explanation and ask me to get the senior staff to talk to. I have no choice and went to get my colleague who is a white Kiwi and also very new to this job and have very less experience.

          For your information I was a Marketing research analyst, Media research, Media planner and also a script writer for a TV program in my country. Since that my qualification & experience are not from NZ, it;s hard for me to get a job in the related field. So I accept any job that comes.

          Ok, back to the story, the kiwi man seems calm and not angry when he deals with my colleague although my colleague keep on turning to me to get the answer. I was behind her most of the time to assist what she needs to know to tell to that man. And I could say that most of the answer are from me but that man not even look at me when i try to explain to her what to tell to him.

          In the end the man say thank you to me without even looking at me. One of the customer who was there and witnessed the situation came to me with a smile and said, “Don’t let him ruins your day. He just an idiot.” And she is a kiwi. I thanks to her for making me feel good after that.

          It was one of the few cases that I faced here about racism. In job interview, I had racism remarks when attended an interview at Jireh Cafe, Aranui, Christchurch back in 2011. The owner, a lady mixed of samoan & kiwi, (if im not mistaken, as what she told me) just wasted my time by arranged an interview with me just to say that ‘there’s a lot of asian restaurant here if i’m looking for a job.”

          In my early years here in NZ, struggling looking for a job and to fit in the society, I always told my partner about what I faced. But I got no support from him. He always turn me down and whatever racism experienced I faced here, i just keep it to myself.

          Now, every year I will reward myself with a holiday, traveling around the world and also doing a charity in a poor country. I work hard and save the money for my traveling to learn more about life. Whatever racism that I faced I just keep it to myself and stay stronger each day without a support from anyone.

          After all, the nice & friendly kiwi people always make my day 🙂

          • I recon that a Kiwi would get a better “PR” experience from a non-kiwi but some are stuck on being able to hear and be understood by a fellow like speaking “kiwi”.
            Customer service is an almost unheard of concept in NZ, so I am not surprised that some kiwis would confuse a terrible customer experience by a kiwi as being “good”.

    • If you’re a girl you’ll probably only have to endure some gropes, along with that line from Full Metal Jacket: “Me sucky-sucky. Me love you too much.”
      If you’re reasonably in the dark about what constitutes racial microaggressions, you’ll probably not even see those instances. e.g. when arriving at a house you’re supposed to rent, it’s “suddenly unavailable” or that job which you were turning up for an interview for, is “suddenly unavailable” or people coming up to you and speaking english R E A L L Y S L O W L Y … or telling you “Your English is so good, where did you learn it?” along with reading on the university library noticeboard “gooks go home” or seeing a diagram outside the toilets telling you not to squat on them.
      I’ve heard way worse happens to Asian guys. Being beaten up by yobs (I got away from one of those incidents). But I’m sure many instances … go unreported. As the people being beaten on “don’t want to be seen as troublemakers or nuisances to the police”

    • Why not study for your Phd in Brisbane? you already know what you’re dealing with plus your degree is far more likely to have international kudos than one from New Zealand.

      We refer you to the QS University Rankings, no NZ university made it into the top 50 and Auckland’s position fell from 68 to 82. See our Education and Children’s Issues page for further details.

      • The Shanghai Jiao Tong ranking is more realistic, with Auckland ranked 201-300….juts sayin’

24. Anyone concerned about encountering racism in New Zealand may wish to read some of our posts on this topic. Here’s the link.

    The first post is about thugs in Christchurch who tried to set dogs on a Japanese student, the next story is about an Indian gentleman who was kicked in the head in an Auckland shopping mall by two school girls. There are many more to read after those.

25. a lot of people commenting on this are very deluded. ive lived in new zealand for 2 years and im colombian/chinese. nz is the fourth country i hav lived in and it is certainly the least racist. colombia, malaysia and argentina are all much more racist than new zealand.
    of course there is racism everywhere but visitors in nz will find that the vast majority of peopl simply do not care where your’e from. and to say chinese or indians get the most racism is a lie. maori are by far the most frequently abused. stop whining about a small issue. in china, people of ethnic minoritys are constantly abused. in india, the number of different religions face a constant battle with each other. and south africa is not even comparable with new zealand in racism. to say nz has ‘shocking’ racism is just dumb.

    • 🙂 bogotaboy, maybe its just your sunny personality that gets you through? glad to hear that you’re enjoying your life free from racism in New Zealand.

      However, there are many who DO suffer the effects of racism in New Zealand and who are certainly NOT deluded. For you to suggest that they are doesn’t do much for your own credibility. It also calls into question your own definition of racism and how tolerant you may’ve become to it.

    • New Zealand has signed a number of International Conventions, including the one that calls for Irradication of all forms of Discrimination and we as New Zealand citizens have to make sure that if our politicians, whom we pay for, proclaim that New Zealand is a “farpost of Human Rights in the World” (so that can influence other countries and say critisize Israel or Iran), THEN it is our duty to make sure that over here (where we live day by day, not just visit and go) Human Rights are up to stratch as they proclaimed they are.

      Sorry, we can’t just judge and measure New Zeaand in relation to India, Latvia, Shri-Lanka, or South Africa. Because we didn’t come here to live the miserable lives as they are over there, but we came here to live the decent lives as we are entitled to irrespective to our ethnicities.

      We can’t just let this country gradually slip to the condition of the most rasist states in the World, by saying “oh it’s not too bad, comparing to”.

      F the human right abuse and F that “to” as well!

26. It amazes me how blatant people are here in being racist yet everyone else chooses to turn a blind eye and say racism doesnt exist…. when will the NZ government wake up and start taking care of its immigrants and ensuring their safety??

    No point putting out adverts begging immigrants to come over due to skill shortages and needing investors to invest hard earned money here…. no one wants to put in years of experience and earnings when there is a possibility they may lose their lives for the mere fact that they live and breathe and happen to have a colour thats a shade or two darker..

    I would like to remind all close minded people who are not aware of the world around them…. NZ economy runs on the back of immigrants… without us, you would be a country lost and forgotten….its also so hilarious that those that really are racist are generally those that are at home each and every day and surviving only on the dole…. before pointing fingers at us immigrants, why dont you ask your government where your dole is being funded from???

    As for the kiwis that complain we are taking their jobs and there is no work left for them… i suggest you visit http://www.seek.co.nz... have a long hard look at the thousands of jobs available there and the statement at the end of every one clearly stating that they will only employ citizens and those with residence….. so stop using that old worn out excuse… it is so irritating to hear and the dumbest thing ever.. If you dont have the education or skill those jobs require, dont blame us for your laziness..

    And finally, i have read and heard plenty of stories of racism here in NZ and i am appalled that immigrants have gotten killed here and things are so hushed, you would think their life was worth nothing…

    If anything had to happen to a NZ citizen in South Africa or India or other asian countries…the world would immediately hear about it…. the scary part is that this NZ government sweeps it under the carpet as if it were nothing….Its a sad sad state of affairs…the human race gone bad…

    • I agree – if you complain to the Human Rights Commission about the abuse of your rights or mistreatment – they either won’t reply, or if you phone them every day will reply by phone and promise to attend to your complaint – but they won’t. New Zealand government is purposedly trying to ignore all and every human rights complaint made from “foreigners”, and I mean formally we are New Zealanders, we vote and elect some of our rasist politicians.

      I currently have a complaint for mistreatment during the employment interview (a clear schauvinistic array in New Zealand’s Southland), but if it fails with HRC here in New Zealand, I will address the United Nations Commissioner for Human Rights.

    • Complaining against racism is used as a reason not to hire someone. In a small country like NZ where relational aggression is the preferred covert form of violence (if arson, false accusations or slander can’t be employed).
      Which is why most people don’t complain. Also, since many have bought into the idea that since NZ signed those treaties, the population of NZ will abide by it.
      It’s hard for people to let go of an idea they’re invested in, and being invested in the idea that they made the correct choice in being in NZ despite repeated job application setbacks, is something some peoples’ egos cannot handle.
      They then try to fit to a dysfunctional set of circumstances … turning themselves dysfunctional.

27. I agree with all those comments about Asians being treated as “cash cows’ for the NZ economy. See what happens to our German investor Kim Schmitz or Kim Dotcom. He was rejected by the NZ Immigration due to his previous criminal convictions but upon putting $10 million into the NZ government bonds under the Investor scheme, they let him in. According to the press, no Minister was involved in his approval for residency. This is definitely a joke as such a high profile guy would require more deeper discussions into it. It is a slap on the Immigration Dept and the NZ government for their shallow decision to allow him in for his money. And they only acted when Big Brother from FBI USA gave them pressure…
    I wonder why they still allow him to stay on his $30 million villa while they knew it all along he is doing something illegal…did they not deport poor overstayers immediately and put them on the plane? Why did Kim Schmitz have better treatment than other shady immigrants?? I read also that some Asian investors were turned away as their money was considered illegal….so is Kim’s money legal just because he employs some Kiwis???

    • I just drove pass his rental home in Coatesville, it’s got a big sign that says KIM DOTCOM and the property is up for sale. keen ?? 🙂

28. II believe that Asian immigrants to New Zealand don’t get a fair deal.
    I think that stems from a Government and an elite who shortsightedly view immigration as a quick fix economic solution . We take your money. You prop up the property market and increase consumer demand but sorry no good job or future here. They also insist that NZ wages and salaries remain low relative to costs, especially housing.
    It’s really a recipe for disaster for all concerned New Zealanders included.
    Are New Zealanders racist? No doubt. It’s a very small isolated country with a very small population and some fairly dyed in the wool views . Do we have the right to be racist?
    I don’t know.
    I have lived in Asia for 8 years and have found that I am universally disliked here as a foreigner. Yet foreigners here make up a very small proportion of the total population. I am unable to buy property and have to pay a great deal to remain in the country because getting residency is outright impossible.
    Do Asians have the right to be xenophobic and racist?
    You tell me.

    • You are forgetting a crucial point: the image NZ projects overseas is at complete odds with the reality. NZ pretends to be a friendly country who wants immigrants to come and settle, it pretends to have “shortage of skills” (what a crock!, tell that to the thousands of young kiwis going to Oz) to attract immigrants with money, and invents a series of immigration programs to keep the people coming here (silver fern visa, retirement visa, etc.).
      On the other hand, it is no secret that Asian countries have vast, mostly homogeneous, populations. These countries are NOT looking for immigrants. Their strict rules concerning residency and citizenship are well known. That xenophobia exists is no secret. This information is all out in the world, and China or Korea or any of them is not screaming saying that it wants immigrants to go and settle there. These countries are old nation-states with a culture developed over thousands of years. NZ is a country product of the European taking foreign lands and colonizing them, and now bringing more settlers for money. If you go to Asia, you get what you were sold. If you go to NZ, you get a pig in a poke.
      Apples and oranges, mate!

      • Grover: if you are universally disliked in Asia as a foreigner … how have you been able to find work there?
        In NZ, many immigrants are discovering that not only are they universally disliked(to the extent where being “liked” means they can count on being told the straight truth and not be misled or have something they have a right to completely overlooked or “forgotten”, they cannot find jobs in NZ WITH THE QUALIFICATIONS THEY EARNED WHILE AT NZ INSTITUTIONS.
        “have to pay a great deal to remain in the country because getting residency is outright impossible.”
        Doesn’t make sense, because unless you are a university student, (and even then I doubt you are paying the typical 4.5 – 5x fees of the domestic students), sundries and goods are fixed price for immigrants OR locals. Do you mean you are paying more because you don’t have a job AND have to pay day to day expenses? Most Asian countries don’t have welfare. And many Asians are worked to the bone for little pay … which is why many labour intensive manufacturing processes are located in Asia. The contracts of these processes, many come from the West, through companies supported by private shareholders (who are usually normal folk) who want a return on investment that exceeds normal banking returns, and ignore prevailing economic conditions.
        On the other hand, if you are Caucasian, it is no secret that getting some plum jobs (which ask for little by way of effort, research or qualifications) is easier. English teacher? You may laugh at that … but all it takes is _ANY_ degree … and not even a good grasp of the language is necessary. I have seen people confuse “affective” and “effective”. And teaching English too. It seems that as a citizen of a western country, it is a given that your English is flawless – you do not have to sit for examinations which question your English fluency, or pay for them as extras to complete your degree.
        Whereas even if you’re not Caucasian, coming from a Western country brings a certain cachet as long as the basic norms of the region you are in, are followed.
        “White privilege” is something many Asians are loath to bring up in NZ … and something many NZ-ers refuse to recognise.

      • I admire you. You sound as protective of your culture as I am of mine. Economics be damned.

    • Don’t just concentrate on Asians, every migrat here is unhappy unless they belong to either government, masonic lodge or other life-boosting organisation. I am not just trowing words – I have seen the two sides of it!

29. Go tell that to your con artist government, who is out in the wide world desperately hunting for immigrants!
    Luckily sites like this have come into existence to try to warn people about the true ugly, poor and nasty face of this country. Unfortunately, your taxes keep the PR machine of your government well oiled, to attract more unfortunate souls to this pit. Mermaid chants…

    Of course lots of disappointed immigrants want to leave, but is not easy when they have wasted so much money coming here. In fact, getting in is easier to get out.
    The place just ain’t worth working for, when you get peanuts, mistreatment and well know that you are keeping the very lazies that hate you fed and sheltered!!

    PS: China and India are nation-states with original populations unlike NZ.

    • Moonlight, read today’s Herald report about the OECD Better Life Index and see how it has been presented to the NZ public. Not only is NZ desperate for immigrants, but it’s also desperately trying to keep its own people.

30. Vadar, thanks for putting yourself forward as an excellent (if rather pompous) example of the deeply ingrained racism and xenophobia that exists in New Zealand.

    For the record, Auckland has been altering its ethnic makeup since the first Maori settlers in the 14 century. You already know where Auckland airport is, care to buy a ticket “home” and return the land to its original inhabitants?

    • Not “RETURN”, New Zealand is no communist yet, but “SELL”, back to you and at the INTERGALACTIC prices paid for it originally, plus 100% to compensate for the life losses.

      That’s what I would do, but I wasn’t stupid enough to buy a chunk of dry rocky land and an old wood-rotten dacha here anyway.

      In Europe this type of housing cost 5.000 – 10.000 USD and we call them either slums or summer houses (depending on their condition), they aren’t suitable for all-year round living, and they don’t cost 500.000 NZD.

      Feel the diference!

      By the way, the fact that a wooden box on a piece of land costs here half a million now INDICATES the depth of crisis in New Zealand – NZ has got nothing else, but real estate SPECULATION, to gain revenues from, no trade, no boost in exports, practical economic isolation on the world scale (because we even rarely hear about NZ over in other parts of the world, and guess why!) and now the treatment of ethnic minorities will add to this.

      And believe me this is not to harm New Zealand, but to MAKE IT BETTER, WAY WAY BETTER.

      Every country on earth who wanted to claim the “civilised status” amoung the developped countries, not just because it’s been populated by the anglo-saxon (or any other civilised) population, belonged to an empire or military organisation like NATO, BUT because things are REALLY civilised there, HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS age of open speach and critical thinking about itself, and sooner or later New Zealand will do too.

31. Firstly, I am Indian and YES there is racism in New Zealand for sure!! I am from South Africa(The country with one of the biggest racism issues) and in all my years there i have never experienced the kind of racism i have here..

    By the way to the people who keep saying we should just bugger of and go back to our own countries or go elsewhere!! may i remind you that your government has put a call out to people over of the world asking for assistance in building up your country!! WHY?? Simple!! Your whole countries population can fit in half of one small city in South Africa… In your own news they have stated clearly that the biggest problem here is that people are unwilling to study and use the benefits afforded to them by the Government!! SO no one is STEALING anything from you!! A job is a job and is given on the merit of someones education and expertise… if you think it is being given to an immigrant because they are brown, black or any other colour then i suggest you take that up with your government and recruitment agencies etc….

    If you didnt have a shortage in this country for skilled labour, i doubt any immigrant would bother giving it a second look.. and as for us all packing up and leaving, well we could all do that gladly but i can assure without of a shadow of a doubt that not one person in this country would be able to save it from the massive sinkhole it would cause in your infrastructure…

    I agree with the writer of the main article…. they want our money and for some reason, our money doesnt have any colour right?!! Just good enough to use to feed them , clothe them and pay for their luxuries…

    I am appalled at people’s behaviour here and cannot believe the ignorance i have read here and seen around me!! Do you people seriously believe that you can live in a country all by yourselves and survive?
    Do you realise who the super powers are in this world??? Well let me fill you in!!

    Its not the UK, not the USA and definitely not one european Country!! NEWSFLASH!! Its China and India…… so i would be careful who you get swords crossed with….

    New Zealand is a drop in the ocean when it comes to population compared to Asian countries… Id be careful who i make my enemy….

    As for the people who think the whole world owes them everything…. if you are on the internet then use it for something useful like reading about the history of your own country and the world around you!! You will find that the oldest inhabitants of New Zealand were in fact the Maori and later on the Indian people…..Complain all you want, it doesnt change the history of this country…

    And i aint going anywhere…..why? Because not one human being on this planet owns a certain part of it specially for himself…. the world belongs to God…. so no other human being can tell me where i can and cannot live and breathe…. (unless people in new zealand crap in an extra special way, breathe extra special air and when they speak, warm honey rushes out) If non of these things apply to you, nothin makes you any better than me….

    and one extra note….. ask yourself this one thing all racists who may be reading this….. What do you go to the beach and tanning salons for?
    TO TAN!!!!
    What colour is TAN (yes TAN is a colour)
    TAN IS BROWN!!! (yes thats right!!)
    and what colour am I? Brown
    … this means you spend most of your free time to be the same colour as i am cause you think its better than your own colour… yet funnily enough you have a problem with me cos i am brown…. LOL biggest joke ever!! (just a point to ponder)

    End of the day we are all human beings… if i see you as a human and not as a colour… why cant you see me the same way? Or, is that just too much to ask from mere mortals..

    • It’s a lot easier to justify being bad to someone else when you don’t see them as human beings.
      Hence why they see you as a colour.
      It also salves the conscience so you don’t feel guilty later.
      After all, if a person feels guilty for being racist, that means that being racist is wrong, but some people have such self-belief that they are never wrong … so they can never be racist, even if others see them act in that way.
      Racism is learned. Through parents, friends and education.

32. Sorry – American that lived in Auck for 2 years.
    1 – yes there is racism
    2- Its the stupid kind of racism because its done by the stupid white population thats become uneducated, cant compete in the workforce, and wants everything given to them on a fuking silver platter.
    3- Now saying that, there is heaps of reverse racism where they act the exact same. And for whites, they cant even be safe in some areas. And its not being racially paranoid – they are told they dont belong.

    The best lesson that NZ will learn from racism is the market. Dont go there, dont visit, dont send anyone for an education there – tell them to shape up or no one will want to visit or do business with them.

    Also WTF is with kiwis trying to sell shit that is shit, for expensive prices?! Its not genuine, its not organic or genuine enough for me to buy your crap. Knock it off !

33. WOW
    Speechless, I am happy I did not invest my hard acquired cash in this country. Pfffft I am even withdrawing my investment visa. The world is big i don’t need this dump.

    • the best decision you could ever make!!!

34. i would never buy any products from NEW Zealand. even food (Provision) for my Vessels. i would encourage to buy from other country.

35. why is it only racism when its directed at the “coloured” races? we call them minorities when whites are only 6% of the worlds population,kinda strange when whites are obviously the minority! try walking round at night time as a white man ur practically guaranteed to get beaten ,robbed or raped by another racial group in certain areas! Unemployment here is skyrocketing with so many jobs being sent overseas and also so many immigrants coming here, i dont wonder why so many are getting fed up. the government wants to kick people off the benefit if they dont find work,great idea but where are these mystical jobs for all? im a white man in invercargill and everywhere i go theres an immigrant or migrant looking down at me, an indian tryed to sexually harrass me some months back guess he never saw romper stomper ahaha sometimes racism has more to do with love for ones own kind and looking for a better future for ones children than irrational hate because of someones skin tone, just a thought based on my experiences. chin up n.z we arent as bad as the media makes out. oi oi southland skinhead!

    • urgh…Mr SS are there more like you in Invercargill? That may go some way towards explaining the bad reputation the town has earned itself.

      https://emigratetonewzealand.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/indian-students-subjected-to-racial-abuse-in-new-zealand/

      (And please don’t rep your own comment before it’s published, that’s plain daft)

    • the NZ elite (read upper class pakeha) are only to blame
      who do you think brought lots of people from the islands to be used as cheap labour and then marginalised? who is encouraging asian immigrants to come to NZ only to take their money? who is outsourcing jobs to China and India, where they can exploit the workers and make obscene profits?
      ………
      that’s right, why don’t you blame the likes of JK instead?

      • Instead cost are important to the company for a businessman cheap labour is not an issue. If your are owner you also want cheap labour but job deliver are 100% perfect and fast.
        Anyway whole world in business are going for ppm cost and if you work in electronic mnc manufacturing before like sony/Epson/hitachi/samsung/Texas/stat chippac/intel/Amd or 3m & etc… they are always looking for cost down on your product in every quarter than you will know why the company need cheap labour.
        I been a customer service to handle all this kind of big mnc they want deliver fast and cost effective as per their product technical spec. That is why my boss hire Nepal come to our country to train them run machine even Chinese from china.
        Well communication is hard but when time fly everyone are work as team and understand more even they can pick up your country language.
        Well when thing is change everyone need to adapt the change, if you hv studies management course you will know what I’m telling as the course cover time management change and changes involve culture/environment and etccc…..

36. Kiwis…looking for ANY excuse to show their ugly racist inner self:

    Filipinos appeal against racism over Rena
    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10465420/filipinos-appeal-against-racism-over-rena/

    And the worst is the comments, look how those speaking against racism have lots of thumbs down and are hidden (this is also happening with comments against Key and National)

    • Oh well … National is on track to be re-elected, I hope they get it.
      The problems are not only ignored, they are propagated.
      And woe to you if you are not a local and see them, because you will then be “re-educated”.

37. More proof of the racism in NZ:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10754578

    unfortunately for NZ, they did it to a RWC visitor, a journalist from South Africa, and I’m sure this journalist will spread the word.

    • You’d hope so, it was no way to treat a guest.

      The word has spread already. Stand by for a NZ PR charm offensive aimed at diffusing the situation, racism is a forbidden word in NZ after the Paul Henry and Hobbit casting call debacles.

      Will Vata Ngobeni be offered a big ‘incentive’ to write positive copy about New Zealand? We’re hoping he holds out and remains true to himself, makes a stand and by doing so helps to prevent the same dishonour being inflicted on another visitor to NZ.

      All our racism related threads are tagged here

    • The chatter on Facebook is that he is a big sook for speaking up after being unjustly accused, and that he is an embarrassment to his profession.
      Of course, no surprises there, this chatter is coming from New Zealanders …

      • One comment:
        “The end of his article is the kind of writing I’d expect to see as a 13 year old girls Facebook status after a fight with her parents. What an amateur.”

38. i LIVED IN nz FOR 2 YEARS AND IN 2 Years eat least once a week they called me prostitute or say to go back home because Im from a South american country, I speak english since I was born my accent is American and it´s easy to see that I am NOT one of them like they used to say.
    beautiful land stupid people the assault me and my husband in chch because we were from overseas and you know what we called the cops and THE COP said to us to go home THATS NZ!

    • Oh dear. Good thing I did not go with my partner over there. Im asian myself but my partner is British. Racism is clearly a display of ignorance and ignorance alone.

      A developed country huh?!

      • Good on you, I never ever ever saw or heard about racism in Brazil against Asians…I know that people take a second look when people from Favelas-Slums_ are coming…but in NZ God I saw so many people talking about Asians and Latins; One man Said- Talking about latins: though that you were funny people, talking different with weird clothes;and I wont tell about other groupes I think its unnecessary…

      • No, no, Elena, New Zealand is a part of a greater Anglo-Saxon ring of countries, such as USA, Canada, Britain and Australia, and her counterparts will most likely turn a blind eye on the human rights abuse (although I have a better opinion of England, than the others so far) both in their lands and in New Zealand, but they will yeall at all other countries on Earth for “abusing human rights”, “sponsoring terrorism” and will wage wars in other parts of the world to overturn local governments and spread chaos and poverty.

        We are quite sick of them in Europe already, because they believe our countries and our destinies belong to them, not to us, because they believe they can architect our political systems and manage our economy to their liking (usually to make us shit poor)!

        But about all the stuff that happens locally – Police here don’t care, neither cares the government. They will sell drugs (marijuana) next to a Police station and local residents will make funny jokes out of it.

        While they certainly have the right to retain their Anglo-Saxon identity and their own high standard of life (or whatever standard they want to live to), some of them also believe they have the right to prevail over other ethnicities and dominate the rest of the world, and Maoris are picking this up from them.

        This is why we have a lot of gangs, absolutely normally and openly operating, quite often they don’t even look like gangs. Same applies to Neo-Nazi organisations, and YES – WE HAVE THEM TOO!

        They live decent lives (or the lives they choose to live) and it’s their choice whether they want to work or not, but for all foreign doctors, engineers, scientists – if you are not a kiwi, or if you are not an Anglo-Saxon (because they turn to like anglo-saxon a little more than the rest of us) – it is their kiwi choice whether you will work here or not.

        They will lie about you, blacken you (meaning tell a whole lot of crap about you to the employer and probably the government), kick you out of jobs collectively (complain collectively, call you paranoid, schitzophrenic, mentally ill) – THEY SIMPLY WON’T LET YOU WORK HERE!

        Believe me, to my years long experience, and I am an NZ citizen – in New Zealand it is probably 10 times difficult to receive government registration to be able practice your profession (because otherwise you cannot work as a doctor, engineer, electrician, builder, etc), than in Australia, this is why everyone migrates to Australia.

        It’s a gang inspired country and when we raise our voice – it’s most likely they will tell you that we are trying to cause “malicious damage” to the perfect media created image New Zealand known to the rest of the world, because they NEED YOU to come here and spend all your money.

        I mean I am naturalised here, but I am still a foreigner to them and called a crazy Albanian, crazy Mongolian, and so forth (I am a northern European by the while) how do you like this bullshyte?

        Most of them are alcoholics and druggies, but for us to be “tolerant” and “socially accepted in New Zealand” we need to really like them to be able to work with them. Some of them would even call it a “problem” if you don’t drink or smoke, or take drugs.

        NZ Government is quite tolerant and democratic, but it has little control, or lacks political will to change whatever happens here.

39. Penelope :

    Yes, there is a lot of racism here, but its not the to extreme where we have hate crimes, people being murdered.

    This extreme does exists in New Zealand, but perhaps you’ve chosen to ‘ignore’ this inconvenient truth? Have you forgotten about Korean man Jae Hyeon Kim who was decapitated by a white supremacist?

    Did you know that the police do not collect statistics on racially motivated crimes in New Zealand? We have written about many, many accounts of racist attacks on this blog so we know they exist, not everyone is trying to “stamp out” this problem by ignoring it.

40. In reply to all of you, I am a new zealand born half Maori half european woman. Yes, there is a lot of racism here, but its not the to extreme where we have hate crimes, people being murdered. Even though we have a few narrow minded people living here, our laws are created in the way that if even the slightest threat of a hate crime was to take place, it would be dealt to swiftly and accordingly. New Zealand is a m,uch more peaceful place than a lot of you think. We have our problems like any other country, but i can tell you this. We are one of the most diverse countries in the world our prime minister welcomes new immigrants and they have as much right here as I do. At least we don’t have problems like the USA, middle east, China, and all other countries, We are good people, and if you have the right qualifications then you will get a job here, our top jobs are all given to immigrants. Most of our doctors are indian, asian, somalian and english. Pull your heads in, we aren’t as bad as you all make us out to be. And there is this thinking called ignoring. We are that laid back that if people are racist, we stamp them out by ignoring them.

    • I wonder if you think this is a hate crime, Penelope?
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5120180/Student-bashed-and-robbed-in-safer-city
      “”I’m walking when suddenly a car came from behind and three guys and two girls jumped out.

      “One guy ran and kneed me me in the (lower) back and I fell front-on on the grass. Then they start yelling at me ‘you Indian mother-f****er, what are you doing here, go back to your own country, this is our country’.”

      Karamvir said the group, all described as Maori in a blue Honda, continued to punch and kick him as he curled up in a ball to protect his head, before robbing him of $400 he had borrowed from a friend. His attackers also took his cellphone.”

      Oh yeah, I had a similar experience in NZ, myself. I identified the people concerned when I managed to flag down a police cruiser. The police LET THEM GO.

      • Note there is no mention of the police in this news report, perhaps Karamvir had the same response as you did. He decided to go to the press with his story in an effort to warn others that Hamilton isn’t as safe as it should be for Indian people.

        • Here’s another one
          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10871020
          Indian tourist cornered, hit with hammer
          By Greymouth Star staff
          2:19 PM Wednesday Mar 13, 2013
          “Greene then ran to the van, wrenched open the door and started punching the driver about the head. When the tourist asked, “What have I done wrong?” Greene said: “You nearly f…ing killed us”.

          As Greene continued his attack, Isabeth struck the victim once with the hammer, leaving puncture wounds on his right hand, left forearm and right inner thigh with one strike.

          Greene then delivered more punches, wrenched the keys from the ignition and threw them up the road before driving off.

          The victim told police that the hammer used in the attack was covered in white powder.

          When police located Greene’s van the hammer, covered in white powder but with fresh blood on the head, was inside it.”

          It seems jail time is only a possibility … when blood has been spilt. Racially motivated criminal intimidation or harassment? No blood, no foul.

    • Sorry, Penelope, but you’ve got your head in the sand. I’m a Kiwi who spends time in Asia, Europe, Australia and NZ, and I’m shocked by the level of intolerance, bigotry and profound ignorance I encounter in NZ. I find myself apologising for the likes of Paul Henry to Indian friends from New Delhi who queried me after seeing his “dikshit” comments on Youtube. We’re smallminded and until we can accept constructive criticism, we’ll continue to decline. I also find NZers lazy and dishonest, so I changed my mind about coming back here. Oddly enough, Kiwis overseas have a good name, mainly because they’re often the hard-working ones with a bit of ambition who decided to better themselves and explore the world. The others just stayed at home to bitch about immigrants. NZers are the white trash of the Pacific.

      • thank you sean for being so culturally aware and open minded. i wish everyone was like you.

      • wow sean. this is really enlightening. really. me an my family are planning to move from the philippines and we have greatly considered NZ due to the fact that a lot of hype on easy migration and “quality life” has been generated by their government. but with what you said, i am reconsidering our options. i certainly would not want to submit my 2 daughters to such experience. do you mean that all of nz is really full of racism? even the country side?

    • lol you’ve obviously never ventured outside of nz huh you small town little bogan

    • Agreed to what penelope just said.

      I am indian born came here when I was 12 years old and now I am nearly 29 I have never faced any racism that much. Some of the guys in school called me curry muncher but whats in that to be offended about? I am a curry muncher and munch on it everyday 😉 i am vegetaria so lives on curries. They made jokes on their kiwi mates aswell. Maybe sometime you come along to narrow mined people who never stepped out of their house and they do not know any thing about the outter world. I own a business for last 6 years now and I get 1 or 2 abusives and racist customers (they might not even be racist sometime they just brag about prices) and I get 97% good customers so why would I even think about the bad experience I have had with bad people? If you look at America and UK there is racism between their own people (black and white) so let alone the other races. Even in NZ I get lot of maoris who comment on white nzlander and white people comment on maoris so that is everywhere. Every single country got racism and there are racist people in every country. I have had to made few police complaints last year and it was dealt on time and I was treated not like an immigrant but like a nzealander. I am quite shocked to how many people are calling nz’lders a racist. May be 5 in 100 are racist but we that doesn’t mean mean nz is a racist country. No matter but Nz is still a best country in the whole world. It is really worst in another countries. If you think you are being a targeted just ignore those idiots. Some dogs just bark for no reason. I do not think immigrants are taking over jobs and businesses its all about experience and money. I have lots of Maoris and White friends and they do not want to work they just want to live on welfare so this is not immigrants faults. you get a job if you apply for it. employees always need someone so their hard work and business doesnt go in vein so thwy hire whoever apply for a job. If you have a good experience you will surely get a job. Most of the migrants are not lazy and as most most of us are in nz. They work hard to get a better job all time .
      Tc guys

      • You have no other countries to compare it to. You have grown up with racism in New Zealand and see it all around you but have developed a way of coping with it.

        Have you ever wondered how your life may’ve turned out if you hadn’t experienced racism and whether it has held you back from reaching your full potential in New Zealand? Would you ever consider moving elsewhere to find out what you’re capable of achieving?

        • I have lived and visited many countries, both Western and Asian, and I can tell you that there is racism in every nation!

          • That may be true, but what matters is how it’s confronted and challenged. Did you know that New Zealand was the only country to play rugby with South Africa during the apartheid era? that it collects no data on racially motivated crimes, and that it’s not uncommon for Kiwi politicians and broadcasters to make racist remarks in public fora?

            Please read This is Everyday Racism.

41. NZ job market is quite racist…I might have applied for at least 50 vacancies,but not even an interview call for me,even though i have excellent work experience.
    My friend who migrated to US recently got a job within a week.My friends here informed me that jobs are first given to kiwis.Thats pathetic.This country is going to the dogs…best of luck with ur brothels,sex shops and a pizza co called “hell”…sucks

42. Rangi: just wanted to point out to you:
    There is no ethnicity called Malaysian.
    And I’d say that a fair amount of the Maoris in New Zealand don’t like Asians, e.g. Bailey Kurariki….

    • You’re right, I recently came back from a trip to Northland with some other Asian friends, and we were verbally abused by a group of Maoris, I can’t understand why the hatred, they lost their land to the Pakeha, not Asians.

      • Racism is something learned. I heard from someone native to New Zealand that their mothers taught them that Asians were not to be trusted.

        As what Steve Baron learned from Hone Harawira. Steve asked the question: “Given the injustices past governments have imposed on minorities like Maori, Chinese, homosexual (he became very agressive and cut me off here), would you and or the Maori party support the introduction of binding referendums as a check and balance on governments.”
        Mr Harawira used obscene language like the “f” word and statements like “my big black ass”. “He’s just a rude … thug,” Mr Baron said.

      • I think they believe that the latest arrivals – whatever their colour or creed – are just the newest in a long line of people “taking sh** from them”. You cannot disabuse them of this suspicion.

      • [Deleted. No ad hom attacks.
        Admin]

    • The Bailey Kurariki murder was predermined before Michael Choy entered the property –a Somalian could have walked onto that property and would have been killed. That’s like me say David Grey Murdered Rewa Holden all Pakeha Hate Maori. Generalisations about 750,000 people is racism.

    • Hay don’t judge me I’m Maori and I don’t hate Asians.

43. White people of Anglo Saxon decent are no different from most of their counterparts in Canada, Australia and the US. They always think they owned the world, they invaded these countries (they called they “discovered” them), never bother to embrace the local culture (English is the first language and culture), treating all non whites like shits. Unfortunately for the aborigines in Australia, the Maori in NZ and the Indians in Cananda and the US, they were too weak to defend their land, and their population is too small to have any political influence. These whites refer themselves as Australian, Canandian, Kiwis and Americans, the rest are labelled based on their ethnicity. Fortunately for the Chinese in China, Indian in India, Malaysian in Malaysia etc they kicked out the British and retained the control of their own country and their culture. These countries are developing very quickly because they are no longer being ripped off by these whites who used to ruled their countries.

    • Now thats racist..

      • Not racist just a historical fact

      • That’s nothing racist, every statement that Rangi made can be backed up by historical facts. It’s just so obvious. However I can understand people can be blinded and defend due to their shared lineage.

    • Okay Rangi, you may not know this, but the British maintained control over a specific area of what was formerly China, called Hong Kong. They did not ‘own’ the whole of f**king China. They controlled this area as a result of the settlement between the Chinese warlords and the British Empire, which originally stemmed as a result of the Opium war, Boxer Revolution, etc. They agreed upon a settlement of British ownership for 99 years. The handover back to China was in 1997. And in fact a recent survey (my apologies for not being able to re-source the link) showed that almost 80% of native Hong Kongers would prefer that Hong Kong remained under British Control. Educate yourself.

      • Yes Jono you are right, but you have missed something very important here; why would the “Hong Kongers” prefer to remain under British rule/laws? Hmm? Whats that, no clue? Well let me educate you on this one very important reason! Communism!!! Mao was a destructive wild beast that slaughted millions of his own people. Mao under the control of his nine or so Jewish-American string pullers such as Sidney Shapiro annihilated the Chinese culture. Let me also tell you that Marx and Engles were Jewish-Freemasons, Stalin and Lenin were Jews as well as Charles Darwin a prominent Freemason as well. So what does all this mean? For the “Hong Kongers” it meant that they would seemingly be safe from destruction, slavery and death. –England also through the Opium Wars; caused death and destruction, but see, they had a more nicer way of going about killing people ruling and controlling the land.

    • lucky yous got cook ae mate….. tasman would of killed yous all.

    • Saying the white people from Anglo Saxon origin is racist. Racism is prejudge opinion or another’s culture and ethnicity. You sir hold a opinion based on a certain race and are in fact a racist yourself.

44. I would actually add to what eric says “The biggest racist ones are 90% of the chocholate people who seem to think the white kiwis owe them a living.” by saying that in times of hardship, there will be a large number of conmen coming from the section of society that considers itself “oppressed”.
    It’s very necessary to scrutinise such peoples’ academic achievements by ASKING TO SEE their degrees, and verifying with the institution granting that certificate, that they were actually students there.
    The “ethnic sensitivity towards natives” gets carried to ridiculous extremes when they are not asked to present credentials and qualifications that they demand of others.

45. Completely agree with eric. They’re always banging on about how unjust their situation is, AND keep telling foreigners (especially foreign students) that they have to do MORE to support the locals (isn’t paying 5x the fees, having to deal with language/culture difficulty AND the weather enough)?

46. Yes i agree they are very racist having lived there 10 years and experienced it first hand, generally kiwis are underachievers when you start being successful there all the shit comes out, easy for you pommes you get 3 dollars to our one, and the list goes on, decided to move on now life so much easier. The biggest racist ones are 90% of the chocholate people who seem to think the white kiwis owe them a living.

    • I believe it’s easier for the British to settle in New Zealand because a large number of Irsh and Scottish settlers share not only the same language, but the same cultural heritage with you, and this is very important!

      I have noticed some kiwis may welcome you here and as you know there’s a lot of pan-UK pubs, cafe and contracting businesses around. New Zealand is largely an Anglo-Saxon country and there is no cultural or political clash or prejudice against UK incomers.

      It may be a bit difficult for an Englishman though, but I cannot comment on your internal ethnic relations in the UK.

      However, imagine what it is like for the rest of us who come from whereever – China, Russia or Brazil!

      Shall we all ignore this and pretend it’s all fine just because there is no political will in the New Zealand establishment to address this, as this “may put into question” or “even harm” the International Reputation of New Zealand as a Commonwealth Country and wreck it’s multi-million tourism and immigration industry?

      Shall we all listen to “go FK off home” and subject to this “Stay in New Zealand, don’t go to Oz” brainwashing? Because this is what it is!

      Imagine this going on in the European Community? Despite Europe has always been like that in a way, every indigenous European ethnicity has a home in Europe.

      I just want to know, if it matters for kiwis what’s you blood and heritage and if they don’t like our looks or smell, then where the heck is our home in New Zealand? Who is going to compensate for all this misery?

    • You Mr Eric seem to be a racist person yourself and an ignorant one we are not generally underachievers at all that is stereotyping and I am personally offended by your comment and how dare you call the islander/maori people chocolate people THAT IS RACISM pure and simple, and to put numbers like 90% out there is ridiculous you appear to be just putting your 2 cents mixed with bul**** in to add fuel to the fire and making it worse and ten years paalease anyone who has spent at least a year in our country would see your lies and also to those who dont know pommes is a racist term used instead of calling people from England British or English, Thank you “emigratetonewzealand” for pointing this out and showing that the racism goes both ways, I myself of have been called a lazy round eyed **** by a chinese man just because I was looking at some PS3 games, maybe the guy had a bad day or something I dunno, I felt it was undeserving of me to recieve such a comment but the funny thing was I dont and have never owned a PS3 i was just looking lol

      • It does indeed go both ways. A point of order Steven. European migrants to New Zealand would prefer not to be called “Pakeha” and consider that to be a racist term too.

        Steven it is preferable not to refer to anyone by their skin colour but to use the inclusive term New Zealander.

        There real meaning of the word Paheka is controversial in that it may have a derogatory meaning, despite recent PC attempts to mainstream its usage.

        There are 4 possible origins:

        pakepakeha: imaginary beings resembling men.
        pakehakeha: one of the sea gods.
        keha: a flea.
        poaka: a pig.

        • I believe pakeha is a term that refers to non-Maori. It came about mid to late 1800s during the ‘great migration’ when huge numbers of British people migrated to New Zealand. Don’t be offended… it is just a term that Maori had used to describe non-Maori, typically referring to British settlers and the generations that followed.I don’t see the term as being racist, as it was just used as a cultural/race identifier, and it still is used in that way. As the term ‘Maori’ is a general term used to describe a group of people, so is the term ‘Pakeha’. New Zealand has three official languages 1/ English 2/ Te Reo Maori 3/ Sign language

          • Many immigrants are offended at being called Pakeha. They emigrated to New Zealand to become New Zealanders, not to be defined by the colour of their skin. Please remember that many of us come from progressive countries where racial discrimination based on skin colour is not just repugnant, but also illegal.

          • Being of Maori AND Pakeha decent, I have to say admin, you are definitely wrong in your assumptions as to what the term “Pakeha” denotes. Yes there are differing views on its connotations (which is what I think you’re referring to when exploring its origin and therefrom meaning), however plain and simple a “Pakeha” is a person of non-Maori decent, meaning every Maori also has at least one Pakeha line in their lineage. I have several lines, and my family and extended family (all of Maori decent) will proudly name the term “Pakeha” as a part of who they are (if required to give a breakdown of blood quantum rubbish). How could my family and my Maori people possibly be racist to their own blood and bodies? That’s the stupidest concept I’ve ever heard of. “Pakeha” is a term NZ govt has decided to use to label NZer’s of predominantly European decent, but that doesn’t make it the be all and end all definition of what legally constitutes a “Pakeha”. For when did I ever stop being of Maori, Samoan, British, Scottish and French decent? No one is obliged to identify with the term “Pakeha”, but then again no one should be disdained for accepting it as their identity either. And certainly don’t assume it’s a racist label – obviously it’s not. Also, just for the record for those reading this that might actually believe this rubbish – can people please stop generalizing all Maori? We are not all bludgers, racist, land-grabbing, whatever-you-call-us no-hopers. In fact if you believe any of those terms are thoroughly true, you are truly ignorant and need to become more informed on the country you are all discussing. Also, for the record, there’s a massive amount of propaganda going around saying Maori hate people of Asian descent – absolute BS. There are many NZer’s, (do I have to educate people on the many Chinese families who have been here since the 1860′s) that have been here much longer than many European immigrants to NZ. I bet there’s people out there that can identify with the question “how long have you been here?” or “when did you come to NZ?”, and funnily enough you’ve been here for 20 years, or 6 or 7 generations – much longer than the people sometimes asking you the question. I’m not of Asian descent, but having Maori/Polynesian blood has resulted in me feeling like an outsider in my own country as well – many a time. This feeling has resulted in that I never assume any person that doesn’t look like the dominant culture just hopped off a flight yesterday, nor do I treat any person in NZ like an outsider. There’s recently been more coverage on the (un)justice system (as you all like to call it) regarding racial profiling. These are things people that look different to the dominant culture encounter every day in NZ. How is living as a supposed predisposition welfare-bludging, racist-people-hating, illiterate thief in anyway reflective of being privileged? And for the record, I have never known a Maori (and I have a lot of Maori friends and family, you’d expect) to have ever received free tertiary study (between my husband and I we have a student loan sum none of you would like to carry), we have never received free GP visits (we get the over-priced $45 fee just like any other NZer) and we don’t just “get given land”. We as a people have lost land – yes through disgraceful sales, but predominantly through the Native Lands Act 1862, in ways which would shock many of you. Other ways were just out right blatant thievery – for instance my uncle who fought in the Maori Battalion for the Queen of England. He left the Bay of Plenty, fought for Her Royal Highness, and then returned to find his whole farm, all of his land, his home, they had been stolen by the government and gifted to another soldier (do I need to tell you what ethnicity he was?). Yes my uncle went and fought for the Queen, only to return to have all he owned given to someone who fought alongside him, but was not of Maori decent. There are so many injustices like these, mainstream media and decades-old academia is what informs much of the propaganda that informs many of the widespread beliefs held today. Anyway, Maori don’t usually jump on the internet and share their opinions in person – we usually just get mainstream media to tell the story through their manipulative perception, so I thought I’d jump on board for once and share a true Maori opinion for once.

          • I wonder what is used more? Sign or Te Reo?

      • Steven, if your writing is an example of the the standard of young people’s English in NZ, then it’s no wonder NZ has problems. In case you don’t know what the heck I’m talking about, I’m referring to your inability to use a simple form of punctuation known as a “full stop”, which makes reading a whole lot nicer for people, not to mention it shows that you have consideration for your readers.

        • I’m a 20 year old white (can’t be bothered beating around the bush, I’m not racist, just down-to-earth) New Zealander girl lived here all my life, and I would like to say:

          Lol, trust me, that’s good English in our country. Being admittedly rather intelligent and nit-picky myself, I suffer from stress induced by seeing appalling use of English around me on the Internet, courtesy of my fellow New Zealanders. But yes, that was sadly one of the better written passages you could expect from a New Zealander, the strength being only in that he could at least spell each word in full. Though maybe he was on an iPhone or something with autocorrect. And I suspect he was using run-on sentence because he was furious while typing and trying to get it all out. Oh well…

      • but can’t deny some of the nzer are really racist… i was prepping to go study in nz and was lately told that nz is becoming increasingly racist towards aisans

47. If all this isn’t racist what is it ?

    • no I consider you probably have rooted your own country and have the best intentions on starting new in a new environment… but foreigners have to understand that when you come here to settle, you must do things our way. that includes manners, atleast trying to learn our language and fit in to our culture which unfortunately is being watered down by the day. who ever said “too many too fast”.. hit the spot. I love my country and am absolutely willing to live with people from all nations, but I don’t think it is too much to ask for people to meet us half way! admin?

      • @anonymous:

        “must do things our way. that includes manners,”

        Hmm, I don’t think you kiwis would really like that one little bit, if foreigners actually displayed “manners” like yours. As many people here have observed, kiwis are the the most neurotic, petty, and impulsively violent people on the planet. Traits that would constitute a personality disorder to people from other countries mean jobs and a fast track to popularity and wealth here in little old kiwiland.

        PLEASE: All foreigners, please keep your gracious manners. Don’t become like kiwis!

      • but foreigners have to understand that when you come here to settle, you must do things our way. that includes manners, atleast trying to learn our language and fit in to our culture which unfortunately is being watered down by the day.
        They only need to “do things your way” when it comes to the law.
        As for language, please. Your country considers their grasp of English sufficient OTHERWISE they wouldn’t have been approved for the move. Take that up with your government.

        I am reminded of what Friedrich Thiemann said
        “When I hear the word culture …, I release the safety on my Browning!” (yes, I know the irony).

        “Culture” is used by some as a way to exclude people without justification, even(especially?) when they tick all the boxes(I know I’ve come away with that feeling in NZ).
        Do you feel it encourages people to come together and work towards a productive goal?
        In short, “culture” in that manner is probably what encourages racism or poor treatment of others.

        “I love my country and am absolutely willing to live with people from all nations, but I don’t think it is too much to ask for people to meet us half way!”
        When the “half way” is amusingly undefined, it means you pick and choose at whim and not from fixed criteria. That could be a way to unfairly discriminate – no written rules = anything goes.

        • not a thing about what I said is unreasonable. if we go down your path and become too accommodating, little old nz will end up as a seccond, please come again England, and we all know how thats going… give an inch and take a mile with indians im afraid.let me define ” meet us half way for you” seen as your obviously not capable of being reasonable. in my words we move and you move to come to a happy outcome for both parties. when you grow up you’ll understand what I mean

          • In my words we move and you move to come to a happy outcome for both parties
            Of course, you decide what’s the happy outcome, amirite?
            e.g. Qualified foreigners driving taxi cabs or working at fast food restaurants, EVEN THE ONES BEGINNING AND COMPLETING THEIR (SKILLS-SHORTAGE) STUDIES IN NZ.
            Lots of words for someone who doesn’t set government policy. Don’t worry, immigrants have their own way of getting justice, if that means warning others, so be it.
            Printing money tends to be the fun way down for many countries.
            It will be interesting to see what happens come 10 September 2014.
            That’s just one week away,
            “If your 18 don’t fergit ta vot!” 🙂

          • if we go down your path and become too accommodating, little old nz will end up as a seccond, please come again England
            Little old nz loves immigrant money.
            Just LOL at your statement, immigration to England from outside of the EU has become very difficult.
            Does the words “Tier 2 visa” mean anything to you?
            AND
            You can only work there for 2 years at a time if not a permanent resident. Or the company REALLY needs you.
            AND
            London is really in the mood for properly qualified professionals, not the people of the “No. 8 wire” mentality.
            Kiwis are coming there though – under the guise of “receptionists” “au pairs/caregivers” and “part-time English teachers”. The same jobs they say are “bottom end for qualified immigrants in NZ” … I enjoy the irony.
            Good luck to them STAYING though or getting on the property ladder 🙂

            when you grow up you’ll understand what I mean
            If you get properly educated you’ll learn how to make a logical argument. Remember, NCEA is no substitute for a rigourous degree.

    • I live in Auckland and I don’t think It is anywhere near as racist as people make it sound. I’ve heard the South Island is very racist and my friend that came from Christchurch to Auckland had told me that it was extremely racist and the people who tend to be racist in New Zealand are the pakeha people, so don’t say ‘new zealanders’ because that’s labelling us all as a whole just say SOME of the Pakeha people. Remember New Zealanders is a term referred to anyone born in the country. Auckland is the most diverse city in New Zealand and Although I was born here I am not pakeha but have hardly ever b en a victim of racism, I’ve gotten a few rude stares but no comments.

48. NO NEWZEALANDS NOT BEING RACIST..ALL THIS INCIDENTS GOR NOTHING TO DO WITH RACIST

    • i think ur mad

    • Excuse me, before you start telling us foreigners that New Zealand’s people aren’t racist please learn how to spell words and use correct grammar, mind you that your people invented the English language.

    • Don’t embarrass yourself darling.
      New Zealand is a racist country
      and I AM the New Zealander…

      • 🙂 I’m a kiwi lad, from Foxton, of English decent. Speak well with a slight accent as I grew up with parents with accents. I even today at 53 years old I get called a whingeing/f**king Pom/Pomme. Attended Foxton Coley Street Primary school from age of 5, attended NZ schools, sat NZ exams, Hold NZ qualification, worked in and run business in NZ since leaving full time education.
        Ive always just ignored it, but the more I hear the word Pomme, and it being used, and then hear from others who are more visibly of another culture and were born and raised here the more I’m coming to the conclusion that NZers just can’t help themselves. They are nation of institutional racists. They like many countries are suffering from the GFC and have governments who do nothing to discourage and indeed actively encourage anti difference mentality.
        We are at the end of the day a nation of sheep and behave not unlike them. Ive meet recently people who consider themselves to be educated and intelligent whole world people who have repeated some of the common held beliefs of the institution racists.

        • ka Pai Tom Im a native of new zealand and so are my whanau. We have all experienced racism here in our own land..whether its been institutionalised, interpersonal or other,we too know how our immigrant people feel. Im well educated, hold a good job, pay my taxes, my children have attended respectable high achieving schools, but has that made any difference to how they perceive us..NO it hasnt, because many kiwis have an engrained mentality that they are better than anyone else. I for one go out of my way to acknowledge and say hello to our immigrant brothers and sisters. Nau Mai haere mai koutou ma!!

        • It’s awful that racism exists at all, but sadly it does exist in ignorance and misunderstanding. I think rather than joining together to complain and promulgate NZers as racist (which in a way is ironic because it is also being awful to a group of people based on their identity), we should try and do something about it. We all contribute to what goes on in the world, together our little actions/choices add up.

          Personally, I am committed to treating all people as I would want to be treated. I am a NZ ‘Pakeha’ (not my favourite term, but my great-great-grandparents were born in England + Ireland so the ‘shoe fits’ as it were), and I think we have a lot to learn from other cultures. An immediate example being traditional Maori values and ways of doing things that I admire and hope become the way of all people who live in NZ, truly embedded into our culture as a nation. Operating on values such as the emphasis on community, on people, and in application – structures such as restorative justice (rather than the British system of punative justice). This is what I will always work toward.

          I am truly sorry to those of you who have had awful experiences. But remember, thinking all NZers are racist is also a stereotype. Please don’t let the actions of a few cause you to view a whole nation of people in a particular way. Please don’t take on board what a few ignorant people say / how they treat you, their opinion doesn’t dictate your value as a person. We are all what is on the inside rather than how we look or what nationality we happen to be.

          Tukua kia haere i matou te rongo. (In the hope I got the grammar right…) let us go in peace.

          • Im of indian heritage. I grew up in Onehunga and later lynfield. I only encountered racism twice in my life. One was from a girl- who later became of of my close friends- who didn’t know what she said. her family came to apologize (she was maori). Second was an elderly lady who said i can be a kiwi since i wasn’t born there. I moved at the age of 1 and have only been to india twice in my life. If i’m not kiwi , i don’t know what i am.
            I never felt that much racism. I went to mainly polynesian and white schools. I personally felt as kiwi as anybody, i learnt Maui and the fish as a bedtime story, my mom worked for the government and love rugby. True i am not dark skinned, i have fair skin and light eyes so ppl dont immediately know im indian (my mom lookS White). But i also remember in high school my friends who were not indian loving my culture and singing bollywood songs to me (which i didn’t watch myself). My primary had an indian group for the multicultural festival even though there were like 2 indians in the school, and i didnt like dancing so i didnt even join- my mom even drew a mural to highlight my culture which is on the wall of the school hall. Indian groups in Pasifika, and an all polynesian group winning the bollywood dance contest.
            I think it is unfair to say NZ is racist when it is one of the much more welcoming nations. I live in Australia now and my dad faced so much racism in his job (As an engineer). But that is more the White collar sector in most nations – it always been exclusive. otherwise not so much. I think it is also the fault of many ppl from immigrant backgrounds who do not mix in. this is worse in australia since in NZ as a small island mixing is the only option, In australia ppl do not mix with separate suburb for different races.

            Im still very young so i havent worked in NZ. But i can say that maybe racism is the past… as the younger generations (which i am a part of ) are not that bad. I only have good memories in my childhood and teenage years.

49. Thank you Annie, it’s shocking to hear how badly international students are treated in New Zealand, so many of them have been abused.

    They are seen as little more than cash cows, worth $2 Billion annually to the NZ economy, you’d think that would ‘buy’ them more respect.

    We’ve copied your comments and given them their own page under Quality of Life.

    • while i admit I have seen this racism 1st hand ( Im a “Pakeha” which is the Maori word for white man/people ) I have had mates at school who came over to NZ to study and have had coworkers who have come over to work and I do believe it is appalling that it still happens. I believe it got worse with the so called Asian invasion, too many too fast and when people started losing jobs, homes and businesses to the people coming from other countries in this short time the racism issue flared again ever since with each new flood of people entering the country is viewed with the same suspicion because our government made a mistake back then and couldn’t fix it, look at how racism wasn’t such a widespread or maybe as noticeable problem before then people will come in small groups not like the floods of people we get now at times so we as a country had time to get used to and intermingle with the newcomers and now yes our government looks at them like cash cows and even the people. The people that come over think there is plenty of space jobs and money to go around because that is what they are told before they move so they save up and come over with enough money for a few weeks at best thinking that it would be easy to find a house,job etc etc, some do find it easy but don’t realize their success can put people out onto the street and worse some don’t even care. I do agree that it is a nasty problem in our country and agree with the comment “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” by plumtart2003 but I believe rather than demonizing us kiwis ( who are all really immigrants yes even the Maoris read the history and you’ll find it ) but in looking at the issue in its entirety, Our governments propaganda, the influx of immigrants, the loss of jobs and housing etc because there is not enough to go around, and finally the visible symptom of all of this the racism towards immigrants, while true racism still exists alot of it nowadays is not the same it is due to people being fearful of losing their jobs and houses so to try to stop this they treat immigrants like crap so enough leave that we aren’t struggling to feed and cloth ourselves and our families. I believe that if we cannot cope with the level of population we need to let people leave but temporarily reduce the amount of people coming into the country till we get down to a number we can sustain and increase that number slowly so this problem goes away and racism drops back to what it was or even better lower than what it was. its not personal I think but each and every person who has come over and experienced racism from our people ask yourself this ” how would you feel if your country was doing well life was good and then because of some idiot high up you get a massive amount of immigrants all at once to the point where they are taking your jobs homes and businesses etc etc like what has happened to us how would you react to that ? would you do any better ? or would you do worse ? by no means does this mean what you have experienced is justifiable or excusable but we are a small country and were unable to cope and since our government was just making the problem worse and still is, some people came up with this as a solution ( it didnt work too well either but there are all ways stubborn people still clinging to old ways as with every country and culture ) I would like to change the quote “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” into ” Pretty Land, Retard In Charge Making Toxic People”

      • So you take it out on students as well?

      • I am a young American women and have been obsessed with New Zealand for the past 13 years, I have never been but I am currently trying to persuade my husband to relocate our family there. I am a born and raised Southern California girl and went to high school 10 minutes away from the Mexican border. My school was always preaching tolerance of other cultures and always taught how racist whites were. Signs in all our stores were in Spanish, people in the stores would speak to you in Spanish first and kids who could barely speak two words of English after four years of high school would receive a diploma. Now mind you my three best friends through high school were Mexican heritage and I don’t have a racist bone in my body, but these people were rude and obnoxious. They don’t try to come into the country to fit in, they try to take over by numbers. I know how you feel to be overrun and mistreated but then in turn called a racist. Not all immigrants are that way that is true, but when you come over to a country and try to make those citizens celebrate your holiday of independence and wave your flags around and not learn the language you’re just a lazy jerk. Meanwhile they have their hands out to our government wanting money or food stamps. I always tell people who don’t deal with the problem they don’t know what they’re talking about when they say we’re racist here. Anyways, sorry to go off on a tangent about American problems on a New Zealand site! Lol. I’m not like one of those entitled Americans that think everything is about us. I love New Zealand and am just amazed to hear someone so eloquently state what I have felt for so many years.

        • How can you love a country you’ve never been to?

          Your comment reeks of racism, them and us. You should settle in well in New Zealand.

          • How is this for being racist. A “friend” of mine moved from SA to NZ to go on “holiday”. Having a typical white South African attitude she says she will start a cleaning business there, and get some Maoris to do the cleaning for her. I was always under the impression that NZ was one of, if not the most anti-racist countries in the world! We had a TV program featuring racist Ex South Africans in NZ and the Kiwis giving them a hard time for their arrogant racist attitudes. All these articles are making the locals out to be racist. I thought it was just the ex South Africans???

          • Is it your racism or your “friend’s” you’re trying to highlight?

          • Highlighting the white south african racism. It seems as if NZ is the perfect place for them.

      • Why don’t you up your game to being more qualified and get the jobs on your merits instead of treating other races like crap for your own incompetence?? This has been a ‘pakeha’ life style for hundreds of years – make other people feel small in order to make yourself feel superior.. it’s all about mindset and nothing to do with someone ‘taking’ your fucking jobs!

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      • Typical white man mentality thinking it starts with him forgeting he took a tribal man or man of colours land its happened everywhere Africa, Oz, America, india, then talk about people coming into his country when he stole it first place…

      • Immigrants taking jobs away?
        Nothing more than a cop-out.
        Under NZ law, citizens and permanent residents have first priority as job candidates. The employer also has to prove to INZ that they are taking steps to hire locals first.
        If the locals don’t match the skill set required, then they hire migrants.
        Or maybe…the “immigrants” happen to be citizens or hold PR?

      • Wow l cannot believe these comments, about 20 years ago l went backpacking in New Zealand with a fellow traveller from the middle east, we did some fruit picking for a while, but whilst travelling mostly hitching, the friendliness and warmth from the nzs was overwhelming. We had offers of dinners or beds for the night, never met people like it, hitching never took long, and offers of help in what was best to camp or shop or see was always given. This was 20 years ago. But I will never forget NZ for its lovely warm and friendly people.

        • I think that NZers are better hosts than neighbors. Better in the short term than the long term. Good for a vacation [if you have lots of $], but after a while, the quaint provincial atmosphere gets pretty thin.

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50. I worked with international students a few years ago and some of the experiences of my students really opened my eyes to an underbelly of New Zealand society I had never encountered. Quite frankly, it made me deeply ashamed. There were the stories of random attacks on teenage boys for no other reason than they were Asian, or on teenage girls being elbowed, bullied, shouted out, sexually assaulted and told to go home, get off the bus, there’s the airport etc and those were just some of them. And then there were the stories of students fainting in class because they were being starved by their host “families” or living in rooms with mould that I wouldn’t put a pet in and not allowed to turn the heater on to keep them warm. Over the years I would have taught about 300 students and all of them had had racist experiences here and some that should have been criminalised. International students pay good money for their education, board etc and when they get here their treatment is appalling. Telling people to leave or get over it ignores and minimises the truly bad behaviour and attitudes that occur in NZ by NZers to people from overseas. The flip side is people should act decently toward other human beings and then people will want to stay – not leave. People take their experiences of a country wherever they go and I can only imagine some of the stories that they told their parents, grand parents, relations, friends, family friends etc when they got back. Where did our tolerance, values and sense of decency go in just making an effort with guests to our countries?

    • Tourists do not linger long enough to receive this treatment.

      Migrants who stay longer, and do receive this treatment, usually want to put it far behind them, but some do speak out. Only to be criticised for negativity against New Zealand.

      I am a migrant worker from Wales, renting at a low to medium economic level. The mould, cold, and neglect of human needs – lawful needs that would be unquestioningly met in any other country that called itself first world – something one becomes accustomed to but did not always foresee?

      Pretty land. Toxic people. I am saving for airfare home.

      • YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT – PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE, THATS WHY I LEFT THE PLACE A DECADE AGO. The country scene was just a gimmick to lure paying tourists, but beware of Nazi minded white heads trying to murder you when you’re there! Kiwis act in bad faith, and inside their hearts they treat you like an outcast. They all only want to take your money whether you’re in good or bad times, and nobody like to see you settle in with success and happiness. They are envious and hatred filled, only see you in bad terms and play toxic games with you, whether in public utilities, banks, or other institutions. They are there to screw you.

        • Yes NZ is racist or beyond that. At least some ather countries are open to racist while here in NZ is hiden. Been here in NZ for 9 years but what I have faced alots of racist people in this country. My accent or I’m not qualified and so on . Some people here are so sick they have no hearts no feelings they are like animals and they are selfish. This country sometimes I think is a hell the way they treat immigrants. But I can understand sometimes less educated people here. They haven’t been travel to see how ather people live and cultures and see how social ather people are.

          • Then why stay here for 9 years? If there are so many people complaining about this, then why stay in NZ? And plus, which country isn’t racist?

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        • Banned, if you’re really from Wales it looks like you’ve turned native. Read the comments guidelines – ad hom attacks & other countries.

    • Her observation is borne out in this newspaper report:
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10728879
      excerpt:
      Language school students Justina Liu and Dory Wang, who were seen napping at the New Lynn War Memorial Library last Saturday, say they go there if they want an afternoon nap, because their homestay parents won’t let them use heaters at home during the day.

      “It’s nice and warm here, and the seats are really comfortable,” said Miss Liu, who is from Hebei, China.

      “Of course the best thing about it is that it’s free and there’s no one telling you to turn off the heater.”

      But it’s not only homestay students needing a warm place to sleep.

    • N.Z people are very presides and not good country government is lost lawyers are tiff people are cork do not go there fuck N.ZI have 24 years live there lif the country l

    • last week i went to post shop , one lady was looking at me after few minutes she started attacking on one , why you people came here discriminating totally discriminating, our people are dying because of you… nobody said nothing for me just listening. then the lady at the counter told me dont care about her , some prople are racist here , stupid lady

    • Australia and NZ are known to be racist destinations
      do not go there unless it is a business visit
      Go to Brazil if you need to move out to somewhere

      • periyar thevadiyapayyan,

        “Australia and NZ are known to be racist destinations” Really? Compared to india or Sri Lanka?
        “Go to Brazil if you need to move out to somewhere” LOL
        There certainly was a color divide when I was in Brazil 30 years ago and Indigenous people were being murdered and driven off their land by ranchers. Of course, the situation has probably improved, however, I’d suggest that anyone who is considering a move to Brazil should do their research very carefully–first do an online search for “Racism in Brazil”.

    • Come to south africa and enjoy cheaper living and miles of open space, South Africa is great. Do visit this wonderful county. Forget the nosense and enjoy life, I have travelled the world.

      • South Africa is a bit tricky, if you’re black African then you might get some hostility mainly from the black south africans. Black people from non african countries eg. America and non blacks are generally accepted.

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