It’s True – Kiwis Don’t Really Like Americans

Continuing in our series of Migrant Tales – first hand immigrant stories about life in New Zealand, taken from locations around the net.

This post was left on an international emigration forum, one that caters to migrants in many different countries. It was made by a New Zealander who comes from Christchurch and although it is brutally honest don’t shoot the messenger, s/he admits these are sweeping generalisations and there is no intention to offend.

We’re showing it here because it may help many Americans to understand why they find it hard to be accepted into small town minded New Zealand:

Its True – Kiwis dont really like Americans.
We generally don’t like or trust Americans. Sad but true. Sorry. If you are an American, make sure you know other Americans that you plan on socialising with when you come out to NZ. Otherwise unfortunately, as many of you are finding out, you are likely to remain socially isolated. Out of all the English speaking world, Kiwis dislike Americans the most (probably unfairly).

Don’t shoot the messenger but here is a bit of a heads up about how we Kiwis think. Please try not to be offended; be aware that these are sweeping generalisations, they are NOT necessarily the truth of the situation but I have outlined some of the ways that Kiwis generally perceive the USA and Americans.

Rightly or wrongly WE:

a. View your political antics on the world stage with suspicion

b. Are scathing of the arrogance with which the USA has dismissed UN directives (eg over Iraq) and initiatives such as the Kyoto Protocol – truly your arrogance on the world stage is breathtaking;

c. Believe that your country thinks it is a law unto yourselves and we don’t respect that

d. Feel you selfishly gobble up far too much of the world’s resources – much more than your share

e. Believe that given the size of your country, you have had the capacity to do things like end world hunger but because it is not in your political interests to do so, you don’t bother

f. View your extroverted nature with suspicion as some sort of attempt to dominate others by being the biggest and loudest and having a superior attitude (much as you attempt to dominate the world stage)

g. See much of your sense of humour as being corny and simplistic (eg the only sitcoms we really like are those that rely on an ironic, more sarcastic or dry humor)

h. Cant believe how many people in the USA seem to be gullible and just not all that intelligent (that’s the result of those day time chat shows/media/trashy magazines/Hollywood superstar silly behaviour that don’t present you in a good light)

i. Resent that the USA sets a trend and a few short years later we have it happening in our society eg increasing obesity. Given media influence and the economic power of your corporates, we feel powerless to stop this and really really don’t like it.

These are some of the ways we think and the attitudes you are up against. Thought you should know then you wont be surprised when you don’t get a fair welcome and open offers of friendship.

You may also be interested in the following selection:

An American’s take on “rip-off New Zealand”

Studying in New Zealand – An American students tells what it’s really like to study in New Zealand

Immigrants caught in a cold poverty trap – An American and Australian couple

American says Tauranga mis sold

An American asks himself “why New Zealand”

American ‘put downs’ in the NZ media – 2 examples

1:30 “What happens is these big fat americans, of which there are plenty you gotta admit, they’re up to here with MacDonalds..they’re huge blubbery people…”

0:24 “You’re fortunately then one of those Americans who are aware that Australia and New Zealand are two separate countries?”
10:13″‘Well Rugby is our national game, it’s a little bit different to (American) football, you have to be a real man to play it”

404 thoughts on “It’s True – Kiwis Don’t Really Like Americans

  1. I’m sorry but this post is rubbish..In fact I would go as far to say as “every single comment” in it is rubbish. I’m a North Island Kiwi, my family have lived in NZ for many generations and although most nationalities in the world will joke about the “loud American” that’s pretty much where it ends. Yes, we do think Americans are more opinionated, some NZrs don’t like that, I personally don’t like that NZrs lack the ability to communicate what they think and should be MORE opinionated. And the comment that NZrs don’t trust Americans is interesting, NZrs don’t trust anyone, period! My partner and I enjoy befriending people from other countries and cultures…they’re more interesting…topics of conversation are almost endless. This post is just the view of one very obviously narrow minded person and considering the poster is from Chrimechurch, I guess it shouldn’t surprise. South Islanders don’t even like North Islanders that much. NZrs are very much influenced by America…most of our TV shows are American, the majority of music we listen to is American, if we were anti American why would it be so entwined in our everyday lives? To any Americans out there reading this…NZrs don’t dislike Americans, it doesn’t mean everyone will like you either, but it won’t be because you are American HOWEVER If you’re contemplating coming to NZ for anything more than a tourism holiday I would think twice…I would guarantee it’s not going to be as great as you think and want it to be, but you probably already know that if you’re on this website 🙂

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    • I’m an American living in Auckland. And I have been called names, had rude things said to me, or about me.. It used to bother me, but honestly, if you’re that kind of person, then I don’t want to be your friend anyway, so thanks for showing your true colors so soon!
      I wanted to add to Benson’s comment about South Islanders not liking North Islanders. I was called a JAFFA by a South Islander recently and I was shocked!!!! He was a tour guide (we had family in town) and it was really rude. He proceeded to rip apart the north island. I was really embarrassed in front of my in-laws, everyone was uncomfortable.

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      • I also have been singled out for being American [accent] in various places [supermarket checkout lines…].
        I find it funny as Kiwis can’t get enough of American stuff, just can’t stand Americans. Ironic.

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        • I’m glad I had the experience to travel to NZ, but the Kiwi people were unfortunately rude & unfamiliar with the likes of individuals such as myself. The country, however was beautiful & I was rather impressed with the Maori culture. Moving on to other places in the world.

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          • Aww I’m sorry to hear that 😦 that makes me sad to think us kiwis were rude to you. I always thought we were a friendly laid back bunch

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          • Spend some time on MSN news and keep tabs on every article relating to housing, immigrants, refugees and you’ll see what our fellows are really like. You may find some good material on the trademe forum in the related areas as well. I don’t know if you’re online a lot but you won’t see a huge amount of this in public, as most kiwis are total coward keyboard warriors posting safely from behind their computer screens.

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    • Have you ever thought why we have so many crappy US tv programmes? They are cheap and they fill the many gaps in tv broadcasting time. Not one person I know likes them hence the tv goes off and we are better for it.

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    • This is too cute. I’m an American with an Asian (but raised american) partner who is considering immigrating so I’m doing research on the prevalence of racism and xenophobia in New Zealand.

      I dont see how any American can be offended by what was said above, none of it was ad hominem or lies. Heck me and my friends and family say far worse things about America and we live here!

      Any american with half a brain would agree with all of those points. Frankly the part about america though that bothers me far more than any other is the endless chasing and fantasizinb of wealth.

      My fellow indigenous people used to pity the type of man who chased wealth his entire life and considered the endless hunger and greed for MORE MORE MORE a legitimate mental illness and i still feel that way today.

      People of New Zealand, when I become POTUS I can promise you that the first thing I’ll do is raise taxes on the wealthy up to 50% on all incomes and property taxes and make it harder for corporations to be bailed out either with taxpayer money or by declaring bankruptcy.

      I’d then cut military spending and end all foreign wars while offering reparations to the countries we effected to help them rebuild.

      With all the extra money I’d offer free housing for the homeless, universal healthcare and free education. I’d then make it easier to forgive debts between individuals and corporations and adopt the Kyoto protocols.

      Next order of business would be creating additional taxable incomes by laxing our immigration laws honoring the promise on the statue of liberty. Minimum wage would be increased to 15 dollars an hour, impose a 20x maximum wage law and expand labor rights to include 1 year off for parental leave and at least 2 months a year for vacation while finally and completely outlawing slavery, i.e. no more work without compensation including in our prison system and pardoning non violent offenders by the busload to lower overhead while creating more taxable incomes. Then I’d make attaining small business loans easier for the average joe and start enforcing strict anti-competition monopoly laws.

      Finally I’d encourage philanthropy by boosting tax breaks and engage with non profits to provide clean drinking water, vaccines, food and free WiFi to the entire planet. Then on my 8th and final year create a law that allows foreign countries to sue us if they can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we meddled in any fair and free elections discouraging any future presidents with puppet state ambitions.

      In other words; I’d make america the good guys again. So have your American friends vote for me in 2028 if I haven’t moved to Christchurch by then.

      P.S. I’ve never ever grabbed a woman by the p…y who didn’t want me to.

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      • I Am an American kiwi and I voted for the Donald J Trump. Do you get us now? the voice of the US people displayed how much we value the freedoms in our CONSTITUTION. We are a republic and the people revolted against a liberal agenda. We don’t need government to infiltrateour our lives, at times unconstitutionally (Obama). We the people are awake, deliberate that we want capitalism and Trump is our messenger!

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  2. Thanks for providing such a lucid account of how an average Kiwi thinks, but we think the OP’s comments were far better.

    Normally we don’t publish comments that use fake IP addresses but yours was too good to pass up.

    Update:
    Anti-Americanism has been going strong for some years in New Zealand, perhaps it started with the anti-nuclear protests, perhaps with the Vietnam war. The conflicts in the middle east certainly haven’t helped much.

    How may it be defined? we liked this one:

    “Anti-Americanism is not solely, or even mostly, about harassing Americans. Former US Ambassador to New Zealand, Charles Swindells, once described anti-Americanism as “empty, inaccurate criticism of US ideals or actions that offers no constructive alternatives and gives no credit where credit is due”. He said it was also about rejecting policies simply because they came from the US. Others would have a broader definition and certainly allegations of cultural imperialism and criticisms of globalisation are usually targeted directly at the US.” The Listener, 2006

    Further reading
    http://deanesmay.com/2007/10/08/anti-american-bigot-vs-wife-abroad/

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    • The anti-Americanism is weird considering that:
      1. New Zealand supplied Agent Orange to America during the Vietnam War:
      http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0109-09.htm
      and
      2. American media and music is extremely popular in New Zealand. Many New Zealanders have not watched movies produced/created in their own country with the notable exception of the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy and perhaps “Perfect Creature”/”Boy”.
      3. New Zealand has had its own share of questionable activities, such as the conflict in Bougainville, where mercenaries from New Zealand were hired to “maintain stability”.
      http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/mercenary-activities-prohibition-bill
      It’s a weird attitude to have when rather than the country “being in the right and therefore correct in criticising others”, it is more likely the country where “people really don’t care what the government does or did in the past (NZ-ers have famously told me that their democracy is “real democracy”) but need a convenient focus for hatred or suspicion”. Think “1984” and all the hypocrisies that entails.

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  3. I would not recommend americans moving to new zealand. A visit is expensive but pleasant. Don’t move there unless you feel like being looked down on and being the object of ongoing extortion.

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    • Yes, it’s expensive. So is Alaska ( isolation) , and Sweden (social democracy, free medical care etc) for the same reasons… as for the “object of extortion ” remark… ridiculous. So but that’s simply not true.

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  4. Americans who set up home in tourist hot spots like the Lakes District of the South Island can enjoy great scenery, good climate and less anti-Americanism than elsewhere. ( the younger generation is not anti-American btw ) But NZ is primarily about scenery and nature. Canadians are loved more than Aussies or Brits so just fake it- kiwis cannot tell the difference accent-wise. Christchurch is very ”English” and snobby

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  5. Yes the younger generation IS anti-American. The older ones still remember the war and relate to America as a former ally against a common enemy. Now, America is blamed for everything. And if you are an American, by default you too are blamed. The rudest comments I have heard down there have come from younger people. Do NOT be fooled.

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  6. Im Australian. From my experience, all the poster’s comments are bullcrap. Americans are much much much nicer than white kiwis in Australia. Kiwis are rude, over bearing, and they are the ones that expect everything for nothing. They even think Australia belongs to them. And you guys pretend to be Australians, stop pretending to be us when you are not, and give us Aussies a bad name. The crime rate in Australia had rocketed since this millions of Kiwi arrivals over the past few years. And even though you do your best to fake an Ausralian accent, it is not going to work in Australia. We can tell from your lack of manners, rudeness and obscure comments alone, that you are a Kiwi mate.

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      • Where does this rivalry b/w Australia and New Zealand stem from? Just New Zealander manners in Australia? It seems like kiwis also have something against aussies.

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        • Not sure of origins but I believe it stemmed from a sporting rivalry which was good natured as the two countries are close competitors – there are also debates about the origins of many of NZ and AUS’s national icons, such as the pavlova, both kiwi’s and aussie’s will argue till they are blue in the face that it was invented on their soil. Also (bear in mind that I am a kiwi so there is a bias) there is the drama surrounding Aussie’s stealing our thunder internationally, such as the winning race horse Phar Lap who was from NZ but recognised as an Aussie winner. In general these rivalries are good natured and often used in advertising in a humourous way. I don’t actually know any kiwis or aussies who actually dislike their counterpart.

          It seems to me that there are huge extremes being expressed on this website and I would just like to remind everyone that populations are normally distributed – so yes a small percentage of kiwis are rude and arrogant, but they cannot speak for our population. Such, if you have had/heard of a negative experience visiting or meeting a kiwi, you cannot make assumptions about the population. Like anywhere in the world, there are good people and bad people – kiwis are known for their laidback disposition and dry sense of humour, meet a few more before you make up your mind!

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          • How do you know only a small percentage are rude and arrogant, how many SD’s from the norm?

            How many Kiwis would you need to make a sample that is representative of the population? 30-40 perhaps? Not too hard to achieve, and what if they were all rude and arrogant, what would that say about your curve then?

            Define ‘norm’ in New Zealand.

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          • Emily,

            I doubt that sporting rivalry has much relevance. Some years ago I was considering moving to NZ so naturally I did some research, I was concerned at the amount of anti-Australian comments in the NZ MSM. The difference between the two countries, in my opinion, is the degree of Oz-bashing by the so-called ‘opinion leaders’, I haven’t noticed an equivalent degree of Kiwi-bashing in the Australian MSM.
            Quite possibly I might have overreacted and missed a golden opportunity, however I wasn’t prepared to take a chance at my age.

            Of course populations are normally distributed, however what’s significant in this case, is the mean for each country.
            BTW I couldn’t give rat’s as to where pavlovas were invented, although I’d put a few dollars on 18th century France.

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          • I’m an American. I am a toolmaker, in other words a common laborer. I’m also a Bible believing Christian that knows all human beings bear God’s image. I guess I was naiive’ about New Zealand. Rather than choosing to judge, I think Id’e rather choose to continue being naiive.’ Sorry, I don’t know how to spell naiive. I dont feel like looking it up. I found a good job opening there , New Zealand wont let people over 55 move there.

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        • BT Aus/NZ have always had a rivalry but recently it has become something else. Many Australian resent the Kiwis that come to Australia for a better life but disrespect us. Many (not all) expect everything handed to them on a silver platter and expect to give nothing back. The Kiwis also have a very strange sense of humour that other people just don’t get. They insult you and then laugh. On top of this, Aussies have always had unwritten law that if 2 blokes want to fight, let them. Unfortunately since the kiwis have moved in this no longer happens. Now a bunch of 50 blokes have to jump in behind them.

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    • Kiwis are some of the most passive-aggressive people I
      know. They cannot handle confrontation and live in denial about
      personal issues. I have lived with a lot of people over the years
      and Kiwis are the most un-accomodating I’ve ever experienced- won’t
      allow you to put a rubbish bin in bathroom, to leave a sponge on
      top of bench in kitchen, and many live in mold and chemical
      infested houses/flats and do nothing about it, etc… This is a
      culture that is not into change… Once I even dated a Kiwi guy who
      only changed his underwear once a week and saw nothing wrong. The South Island is full of nepotism. North Island is more savvy but
      you still have to watch your back. Kiwis do not act like they
      gossip on the surface but they are the same just as any people but
      the Tall Poppy complex is BIG in NZ. I do not think the culture is
      as bad as the UK, which I find incredibly repressed and
      passive-aggressive. BTW there are many POMS in NZ and NZ is based on POM culture. I tell both- sorry but I do not follow the Colonial Code of Conduct! I think many Maori feel the same. LOL

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      • “NZ is based on POM culture” but New Zealand claims to be bi-cultural. Our readers with Asian, Dutch, Yugoslavian or Maori ancestry may see things differently to you.

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  7. Kiwis don’t like anyone other than themselves, if you Americans have experienced rudeness from them, imagine how we Asians feel, we are the scapegoat from everything bad here! they also hate Australians, Islanders, Indians, Brits, etc. but they sure love our money!

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    • Im sorry if you happened to met kiwis at the bottm of the barrell, but who have you met that hates all nationalities you mentioned… Yes there are the typical stereotypes people consider with those nationalities but name a place where there isnt??? And as for “your money” i consider asia to be a huge money maker, because all you want is our food, milk, salmon etc.
      Ps your probably hanging out with the wrong crowd, my social circle includes a wide variety of people kiwi or not, and i have no problem

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    • I love Asians. You need the peace and personal comfort you deserve. In my eyes, Asia is the highest educated Continent in the world, which means you must have some form of good education. I am proud of that, I wish the world was more like you all 🙂

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  8. Whoever says NZrs don’t like Americans is biased. I am a born Kiwi and I have yet to meet an American I dont like. Also, you do not have to be a man let alone a real man,to play rugby. Even our girls play rugby, they play soccer and cricket too. It makes no odds what ones nationality is, there are good, not so good and those one wouldn’t want to call a friend.

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  9. My teen kids and I lived in New Zealand for a couple years, and gratefully are home in Boston now.

    We liken the standard Kiwi press to a supermarket tabloid in its headlines. The Kiwi press would pick out items singling out America, and these were always insulting, negative, weird and brutal stories with no context to them at all, presented in a group every day so as to always give the same terrible and inaccurate impression of America. Or the headlines to the articles would be very misleading, assuming that no one would bother to read the actual article but counting on the impact of the headlines and choice of material and wording to reinforce the stereotype. They never published anything positive unless it was something about Kiwis teaching America something or Kiwis or their products doing well in America. The bad content was all they ever published about America. It was no wonder that Kiwis expressed such depraved views of the U.S.!

    My kids were shell-shocked at the level of ignorance about America and Americans there, because they knew the truth. We might as well have weighed 350 pounds, been retarded Southern Baptists, had a personal army and violent temper, owned a chain of McDonalds, and been walking around with giant nukes strapped to our crotches with wads of cash falling out of our pockets. That is what Americans are, to Kiwis. We were reading the New Zealand headlines today and laughed all over again, and yes we are home now, so it is funny. It was scary when we were there. It was like living among people who are always ready to file false abuse claims, and you don’t even want to LOOK at them for fear they will scream abuse about you. Scary! My daughter said being an American in Aotearoa was like reading in the Nat Enq that “Brittney Spears is addicted to coke” and in America the actual article on the last page would inform you that it was actually “Coca-cola”, only in NZ you wouldn’t find the article on the last page with the truth in it, even. To give you an example. The two top America-related headlines in the NZ news now are “U.S. launches missiles at Libya” and “Man Stoned to Death in the U.S.”.

    The actuality is that the U.S. is participating, after being asked to, in a FRENCH AND BRITISH LED ACTION against an unpopular leader who is trying to cope with an uprising in a tinderbox region, but the intelligent coverage on that would be minimal, while the U.S. MISSLE LAUNCH would be shouted from the rooftops, feeding that “Steroidal Warmonger America” stereotype perpetuated in New Zealand. The truth is that many Americans are 100% purely fed up with the military intervention, and the next election should be a very interesting one. Another one was “Man Stoned to Death in the U.S.”, right up there next to the “U.S. Launches Missiles on Libya”, equating the U.S. with hypocritical Arab-like brutality by marrying the one story with the other. The unfortunate stoning incident was actually a young, unstable religious nut dude hitting a poor gay guy in the head with a sock that had a stone in it. Not much different from anything that might happen in New Zealand, which has plenty of its own anti-gay crimes and violence, does it not. This was not Shirley Jackson’s Lottery, or a crazy fundamentalist sect with a compound. They deliberately and regularly foster this view of the U.S. in New Zealand. It was an eye-opening experience for myself and my children.

    We are glad to be home and away from the bloody-minded idiocy. A friend of ours is still stuck there in Wellie – she had a child with a Kiwi, and got that famous Scary American Treatment in their courts, so it is pervasive, we found it in academia as well, and in politics, at high levels among people you would think would have to possess something resembling a brain to be functioning at those levels. No. They do not have to have a brain to be warming those seats. We are so relieved to be back!

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  10. oh, and to add another comment – the 3rd story down on their America topic list today? was about what would be (in America) a very boring trade name battle between two NJ food establishments known for “hot dogs fried in fat until they rip”. Obligatory picture of someone stuffing their face with a giant hot dog. Where is Paul Henry when you need him at moments like this to make his 999th knee-jerk fat American joke? Oh, I forgot, the good-hearted humble and noble Kiwis who love him so much have not reinstated him yet.I am surprised that Kiwis continue to flog this “Americans are…” horse in a country where they need the meat off of the animal more than they do the canned laugh.

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    • http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6046887/Kiwis-space-photos-stun-astronomers

      The press here is –

      yeah. Agree with Mac

      Along with top-viewed stories about fat American toddlers taken away from their parents and the usual Black Friday victim (fat Americans trampling and killing one another to Buy Sh**t!), always popular because it’s so much easier to laugh at furriners than to look at their own serious problems, they have the stellar Kiwi…

      “Kiwi’s space photos stun astronomers!”

      I read it and the guy is “Olsen”? uh….sure enough, at the very end, they quietly slip the truth in – dude is actually a Dane, who has lived here 8 years! Citizenship paperwork makes you a Kiwi if you do something cool, but if you do something naughty, they’ll make sure to downplay the citizenship angle. LOL!

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  11. Did you hear Paul Henry went to visit his daughter and promote his book in America. He was pulled over for speeding three times in his Mustang in one year. No doubt he was trying to provoke an incident that he could joke about.

    He said, “I can usually talk my way out of it, but in this case the guy [the police officer] was quite aggressive and unpleasant and you’ve got to be a bit careful over there because they are heavily armed.”

    (and violent, Paul, don’t forget violent – you should be permitted to speed, shouldn’t you!).

    He gave explanation, “You’ve got a V8 Mustang, you are in America, the speed limit is 75-80 miles an hour anyway, the road is straight and long and you are at least on a dual carriage freeway – it’s just so very hard to hold the car back. “Do you want to go through your whole life with your foot on the brake? I don’t think so…It’s not my style”.

    Given how Paul criticizes Americans’ lack of impulse control in overeating, it takes a bit of chutzpah to tool around racking up speed tickets. Then again, we can see that he believes it’s the car’s fault, wanting its head, and after all, it’s America. Forcing those Kiwis into bad behavior again, like our TV shows making them all violent.

    Own something, you dodgy b*stards!

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  12. There was a post on his daughter not long ago on the GP forums. In Kansas, what a place for her, and doing her dad proud.

    “I don’t find him funny,” she told Women’s Day. “People tell me about the things he has said, but I don’t watch because I’m not really into what’s happening in the world.”

    Spoken like a true Kiwi! If she isn’t just taking the p*ss, she also wants implants.

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  13. The original poster seemed to have an inferiority complex. The bastard from Boston is why I hate Yankees. I wasn’t aware of the New Zealand attitude towards Americans. Now I think we should’ve left you sheep lovers to the Japs.

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  14. Well isn’t this interesting? I am a Kiwi & I think you should all have a look at what you have said here. It says a lot more about your attitudes, biases & natures than it does about us Kiwis. I am well aware that not all New Zealanders are nice people, nor are they all worldly or intelligent, however the same goes for anywhere else in the world. The fact that you have chosen to ignore this fact & spew vitriol onto the www that everyone (yes, even Kiws) can read is offensive & ignorant. I don’t care where you are from, your actions are what matters. Perhaps your words are actually mirrors of your own behaviour, because in reading what you have all said, a lot of you have exhibited exactly the behaviours that you are criticising. Food for thought perhaps?

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  15. Oh & Paul Henry is not a Kiwi – he’s British! The irony of your assumptions & misinformation given what you have accused Kiwis of is not lost on me folks!

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  16. If it walks like a Kiwi, talks like a Kiwi……

    Who cares where he was born, New Zealanders are all immigrants. He’s Kiwi now.

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    • I am a kiwi married to an American. I recently (December 2011) went home to introduced our daughter to her NZ family. Well I must admit, I had never noticed the bias against Americans before quite as strongly as I did on that trip. We were at puzzle world in Wanaka, and my husband was taking photos of my daughter and I pretending to hold up the leaning tower thatis there. Some kiwi bloke facing the opposite direction (like the coward he was) yelled out “F**king Americans, that kid isn’t even wearing a hat! (my daughter was one and you couldnt keep a hat on her head she hated them) F**king typical yanks, don’t know a bloody thing about taking care of kids!” Wellllllllllll you can imagine my reaction. As soon as I opened my mouth and sounded like a Kiwi he was all apologetic and couldn’t apologize enough to me. I just couldn’t believe it! Another incident was in Hokitika, where my husband wanted to buy me a piece of pounamu and the store tried to charge him twice as much. He couldn’t afford it so he put the piece back. I thought I would give it a try, and they sold it to me for half the price they were going to sell it to him for! Disgusting. They also tried saying that Canadian jade was real Arahura jade from the west coast, and I knew it wasn’t I am from the coast! Also I used to think Kiwis were polite, but they are not, and I am one! We were at a countdown, and my husband was talking to me across the aisle, a kiwi lady was walking down the aisle and pushed her trolley right into my husband, gave him a look of disgust and said, “watch where your bloody going”, again shocking behavior! I was so embarrassed by the behavior of my fellow kiwis, I felt so bad for my husband who I had dragged half way around the world, to see where I came from, and that is how he was treated! Terrible!

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      • I don’t think that a lot of Kiwis have really experienced this first hand. You had the fresh perspective of your family [as seeing it through their eyes and ears…].
        It is really shocking, at times.
        There was a thread on racism and there was a discussion on “micro agression”, the same applies to dislike of forieners.
        I’ve had this discussion with my family, and after pointing out things that would normally be ignored or overlooked, the light came on.
        The double standard of what would be OK for a Kiwi to do, but be completely ridiculed if someone of another nationality were to do: Kiwi- “she’ll be right”, other nationality- “bloody xxx”.
        I remember the old Bugs Bunny cartoons when there would be some reference to a bull seeing red, same goes when some Kiwis hear an American.
        Sad, but true.

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        • I understand South Island dynamics and they are what we
          consider in America to be rednecks. My partner was Kiwi so I was
          protected from a lot of flack from other women- Kiwi. But Wanaka
          area is very small-minded unless you are spending money. Dunedin is
          more friendly but they still got some people with pokers up their
          ends… Otago Uni has many. Be fake to them and they will come
          round…

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        • I have read with great interest these what so called generalized points of view regarding what ‘Kiwis in general believe of Americans’, I do agree with the original comment overall of the general view of Americans and as I read down, instead of trying to change this perception, it has actually enhanced and added value to the original OP perception. I have been here in Boston for 6 months, I am told I am not to wear my english shirt, Im a Maori Kiwi, the Irish are anti English, so I’m told, I am not allowed to wear my nice shirt which says another baseball team, this is seen as aggressive stance, so they say, I have not ever seen such aggressive behavior toward clothing alone, I have been told Boston belongs to Irish and we should be mindful about this and respect the Irish culture .. this is all okay, I’m open minded and happy to learn their culture. I do believe however a lot of the comments placed are unfounded as a generalization and only a personal prospective of the OP at hand. Please remember NZ is only 4million population, NZ is also not only based on the English culture but very strongly Maori culture, (I am unsure how familiar many maybe towards understanding the Maori culture), it is also a welfare state, it is multicultural community holistically and no one has ever forgotten when Christchurch experienced the horrific earthquakes, it was the Americans who followed the Australians to come to our aide, we will never forget the aide which was given and this has changed the average Kiwis views overall. No matter where you are in the world you will always find the riff raffs of each culture if you look hard enough. I hope you enjoy Aotearoa as much as I am enjoying USA. Kia Ora

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          • Now if you openly antagonize, wearing clothing, like wearing gang colors I guess.
            How are you treated if your accent is overheard. Do you have people looking at you funny? Do you have people saying rude comments? Are you insulted publicly just for having a Kiwi accent and being identified as a Kiwi?
            There is a huge difference in how you’d be treated as a Kiwi in the States.

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          • Generally, the Kiwis that don’t get bent out of shape when hearing an American accent are the older ones. They remember and are grateful for the US’s participation in WW2.
            I’ve got a few friends that are vets, and they are quite happy to stand beside me and be my friends as I am quite happy to be their friend.
            So, not all, of course not. But I’ve never had the frequency and intensity of insult for being an American.

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      • My child was called names in school (none of which applied to him physically, but are attributes they ascribe to Americans in New Zealand). We were in a store once and some Kiwis walked in, heard our accents and walked up to the cashier demanding loudly for him to find them “anything that isn’t American” while glancing at us the whole time, snickering and hoping for a reaction. Even Kiwis who were otherwise pleasant would rant about America to me on occasion, blaming America’s place in the world for their own country’s problems New Zealand is not the only place they do this. But mind you, it is no different from many other countries where Americans are generally disliked. Do you want to give these countries your tourist money or move to live there? Of course not. Kiwis do not like our accents, our mannerisms, our confidence, our cultural omnipresence, the pitch of our voices, the fact we have an army and know how to use it. You name it, they don’t like it. Walk into a bar of drunks in New Zealand and you may get more than you bargained for (I am saying, if you want to go in for a drink and open your mouth, you will get more than that drink). Do I want to subject my American children to that kind of treatment? No.

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  17. Not all Kiwis dislike Americans, of course not. And just because one person doesn’t dislike them doesn’t mean that their compatriots uniformly treat Americans well. I think “a certain percentage of Americans are surprised to see the degree to which it does exist here”. That would be a better way of putting it. Also, there is a kind of hazing that Americans never expect, and you will do a wee bit betterif you can get past that with humour and tolerance. As earnest and emotionally out front as they are, Americans expect to be taken seriously as human beings on an interpersonal level and are sometimes chilled to find interpersonal relationships take a different form here. The intimacy they are accustomed to is just lacking. Kiwis are really defensive, too, however, and I find they take umbrage at things unintended as offensive by the other lot.

    Possibly Americans find it hard to accept that chit chat here has more of a purpose. If there is no gain in it for them, Kiwis don’t want to chat. Whereas in America, chit chat is just that – people chat “just because”.

    There are cultural differences that are irritating on both sides, for certain..

    Googling around will find sufficient instances of a certain Kiwi attitude towards Americans – that they are all rich, burger-gobbling land-grabbing, nuke-throwing fat morons. We have come in for it to some extent.ourselves and I have posted on it before, so don’t feel like reproducing it.again for someone who can’t be bothered to check it out.

    Upshot. Some of it is taking politics to an interpersonal level and blaming Americans for their government’s actions, some of it is ignorance about stereotypes, and some of it is cultural friction.

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    • i agree. The original poster perhaps doesn’t realize that Americans themselves MAY NOT actually be happy with the way the government runs or they wouldn’t have emigrated here in the first place. So to place Americans with the actions of the government, really is a bit over the top.

      What matters to me, is if people are nice to me. You treat others how you yourself want to be treated. I was brought up with manners, and because manners are a part of my culture (being American) — I have not left them there…they have come with me.

      I feel that all cultures have something to bring to NZ, and NZ should accept the differences that we bring – rather than being suspicious when we compliment you (and mean it) — just say “thank you.”

      I do like where i live in NZ but I am not particularly fond of most (not all) of its people. I do have a Kiwi friend and we discuss the differences between the 2 cultures often, as we are both open about it…and we can examine the differences.

      In other words, in America — we support people who want to better themselves, while here – it seems to be a society full of envy. If you envy someone or are jealous, it is enough to just hate you or think of enough reasons to make things up.

      I have found South Island people to be a bit more welcoming to outsiders, but that is just my personal experience. Living in Taranaki – there are not that many happy Kiwis here (it does not appear that way) and so I miss being around people who can make fun of themselves. Yeah, our American humor is corny, but so what. At least we don’t take ourselves so darn seriously. Life is too short to be angry & rude all the time.

      My Canadian friends have moved back to Canada…they just couldn’t take the people here. It got to them at such a level that they just couldn’t stand it anymore.

      This is too bad, because NZ really needs talented people. I really think the foreigners that come — that they come for a reason. Maybe it is to learn tolerance, or maybe to help make NZ a better place. What I do know, is that I think many other cultures (if we stick together) CAN make it a better place for everyone to live. At least that is what I am hoping for.

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    • “and you will do a wee bit better if you can get past that with humour and tolerance”

      So just suck it up and take the abuse and the name calling? What if I said the same nasty things to you that were said to me? Would you just suck it up and take it? Could you get past it with humour and tolerance?

      Here are the things I have been called for being an American:
      Loud, obnoxious, arrogant, violent, money-grubbing, a “CUNT” (yup, to my face, by another girl at a friends Birthday party!), loose (sexually), fake, tacky…

      I must add, I am none of these things. I am becoming very tired of being judged for where I am from and then being told “not to overreact”. Honestly, Upshotte, how would you respond if someone called you a “Cunt” at a friend’s birthday party just because of where you were from? She hadn’t said two words to me the entire night before she said that. Honestly, would you get past that with humour and tolerance? If you could, you are a much better person than I.

      Even experiencing all of this… I still try to make Kiwi friends. I still try and remain open, I don’t want to judge an entire country based on my experience with a few or else that would make me no better than those who judge me.

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      • Hey, I’m sorry that happened to you 😦 sigh reading all of this makes me sad because as a kiwi I want our tourists to be made welcome here. I still haven’t met an American I didn’t like 🙂

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      • There is this ironic love/hate relationship with things [and people] from the States. They love our music, culture, fashion, products…
        They just don’t like seeing you here, in the flesh. They would much rather observe Americans on TV. Deep down inside, most would rather be Americans. Jealousy and envy mixed with national pride prevent them from admitting it though. So, they have to hate you because they are not you. Same thing with Aussies.

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        • To be fair, I have run into several people that DO honestly agree that there are “other” products out there that are better, and cheaper than the “iconic” nz brands. Yet, if you go into a “koolaid” store, they look at you as if you had two heads, asking for something other than the standard iconic brand [which generally is both inferior in quality and more expensive].

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  18. http://www.jasonsummers.org/new-zealand-apparently-needs-9-billion-from-us/

    NZ gets 9 billion from US? Did that ever happen?

    and

    http://forextrib.com/forex-news-analysis/forex-market-news/china-new-zealand-announce-cny25-bln-currency-swap-agreement-imarketnews/

    China and NZ swapping USD?

    http://www.dailymarkets.com/forex/2011/05/29/forex-nzdusd-weekly-outlook-may-30-june-3/

    Media outlets in New Zealand reported that China Investment Corporation, a USD300 billion fund, may have set aside up to 1.5% or USD 4.9 billion of its foreign-exchange reserves to invest in New Zealand assets.

    Which assets? do the locals know? They are not keen on selling off their patrimony to foreigners, as we know.

    Are any of these events connected? Economists? I smell a rat. All I hear here is how America’s going down the tubes and NZ is a better place to be. B.S. As long as their mortages don’t go up an extra 100 a month, maybe. Second Worlders are certainly more used to austerity than First Worlders are. They do have that advantage.

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  19. Hello everyone. I wanted to take a minute and investigate what is really going on here. Obviously you can’t hold an entire country that is comprised of VERY different states accountable for the federal government that runs it. Especially when most of the inhabitants of this country absolutely despise and do not condone the behavior of its government. Texans are, probably in many ways, very similar to people from your region. Surely visitors to NZ are looked at on an individual level and given a chance to present what could be an extremely pleasant human being who values important things like love and genuine happiness? Everyone that I talk to speaks so highly of the NZ region, i’ve never heard an american say a bad thing about a Kiwi. It’s shocking to see that there is hate there.

    At any rate. I am an american, but I am not fat, do not eat fast food, and i haven’t watched TV in over 5 years. I’ve worked extremely hard to get to where I am by performing and not taking advantage of others, or losing myself in the process. After a substantial number of life experiences, I was considering a move to NZ so that I could focus on internal and spiritual growth. It seems that this may not be a good idea.

    To be clear: If I am an american, and if I am a good person (helpful, balanced, caring, strong) with a good sense of humor (can roll with the punches, loves sarcasm)… am I still going to be prejudiced against in NZ?

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    • If you’re going to accept being treated as a second-class person, you’ll be okay.
      It seems they get antsy if you know your rights or refuse to accept their stereotype of you.
      Get to know some of the migrants, they’ll probably set you right about what you need to know coming in as a foreigner. And as far as possible gain supplementary local information from different officials and representatives – so that you aren’t “suddenly surprised” by information that was, for whatever reason, “forgotten to be passed on”.

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    • Yes. In a simple word.

      What alot of Kiwis don’t realize is that NZ gets the best of the best from other countries.. It takes alot to get permanent residency in NZ (background, health checks, etc) and only the best come. But when we are treated like dirt — we question the entire thing & wonder whether we should go somewhere else.

      I have lived here for 2+ years and was not prepared for the amount of anti-Americanism that exists here. It will really amaze you.

      And if you are accustomed to polite, caring people — good customer service, good restaurant food – you will be in for another rude awakening. None of these exist.

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      • I miss being able to walk into a warm restaurant, order from a large, varied menu of reasonable choices, and just enjoy a meal.

        Many places open up their establishments and leave the door wide open in winter. They like their indoors so cold, I hate that here. And you can’t afford anything, either. When you do buy something, it is 9 times out of 10 not as good as home, or they are stingy with the servings. The prices are terrible.

        We live in New Zealand, and we never eat out. The high cost of living makes it impossible as a regular enjoyment, anyway. Most of your income will go on housing, utilities, petrol and food. After that, you are lucky to have a penny left, anyway. We close up the house except for a couple bedrooms and only heat those, and the bill is over 300 a month. And this is in the “winterless” north. And yes, we are leaving when we can manage it! This is not the lifestyle we moved here to have.

        Should have stayed home.

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        • 100% I agree with you…. and what about police corruption…. I am an Italian citizen and I love Americans but I wish I never moved here. And definitely I am putting a petition to United Nations to take my kids out of this sad country.

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    • Being proud of being American is a very bad thing here. A very very very bad thing. New Zealanders don’t show the same degree of patriotism. But when they do, it’s called being proud of their country and it’s ok. But when an American shows his/her patriotism, it’s called being a stereotypical, arrogant American who thinks everything is always better in America. Double standards. (Not all New Zealanders are like this. But for the most part. I still have some wonderful New Zealander friends who are fascinated with America and think it’s amazing that I’m from there. I’m always over-ecstatic when I meet a New Zealander who loves America. 🙂 )

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      • Ok so can you tell me a countrie where there is patriosim where that situation wouldn happen, a foreigner showing his/her love for their country wont gain a little sniffle against that person… I like how americans choose to live in the NZ, and then they have a bad experience with a dumb arrogant person takes it to heart tha all kiwis are bad. I think we all know that America is quite a hugely patriotic country, if i had gone to the US and showed my love for NZ, would’nt my comments be put down.

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        • No. If you were in America and showed your love for NZ people would agree with you and think you cool and exotic. Americans aren’t like you, mate.

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        • Carvin, has this exactly right. If you were in America, and refrained from bashing our country, we would love to hear all about New Zealand, and you could wear your flag and tell us all about how much you love it. No one would be offended. Why would we be offended over someone being proud of his/her country?

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        • PJ, your comments about the love of NZ would NOT be put down. Being proud of where your from is embraced in America. My best friends, both of which I’ve known since elementary school, are from the Philippines and Puerto Rico. The only people who judge them or look down upon them are narrow minded, unintelligent racists who likely are that way because of their low self-esteem and emotional issues. Be proud of who you are no matter where you are from or who you are! Judging people based on what you see and not who the people actually are would make anyone a fool themselves. Because of all the nonsense going on in America today, I was contemplating moving my family to New Zealand to get away from all of it. But it seem we likely would be moving from one fight to another-no thank you.

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          • Good for you, voice of reason, to decide against New Zealand. Worst mistake we ever made, to move there. Once we had been there for awhile, our money had dwindled to nothing, and with no buffer left, it was so hard to leave again. We had to borrow from family to leave. Meanwhile, many of the migrants who have moved there and are still there send back beautiful scenery pictures to make everyone else think they’re in Paradise and doing dandy. I know how many of them actually feel, and they’re trying to boost themselves up in their own minds and to the eyes of others. Many of them are depressed, drinking, wanting to go home, struggling, and yet putting on a big act for everyone else or trying to persuade themselves they’re happy there. It makes me angry to see them being this dishonest, because then more people are fooled and move there on the basis of this projected fake contentment.

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        • In the larger American cities with large migrant populations we actually have pride days and parades for other cultures like Puerto Rico and such. For the REALLY large migrant populations we even have national holidays dedicated to other cultures like Cinco de Mayo where we celebrate Mexican culture and St. Patrick’s day for the Irish. We even started celebrating other peoples sexual orientation with gay pride parades in just about every decent sized city. Being different is something we all celebrate because it is what makes you, you and frankly what makes you interesting.

          We have our backward ‘dey took our jobs!’ People sure but I’d bet my bottom dollar that if you were in a crowded place and some jackhole yelled, ‘what a typical f—–in kiwi.’ Before you could even reply 3 other Americans would have already taken him out back and beat his ass.

          Intolerance is simply not tolerated here.

          Lol, in fact every time I’ve met a foreigner I’ve always made things awkward by being too curious and friendly.

          To be fair though, I wish we would treat our indigenous people the way new Zealand treats theirs.

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    • Just as an example; More than just a few kiwis have proffered the idea that the “moon landing” was faked. It is a way of imposing the “tall poppy” thing on other nationalities.
      So, no matter how much you want to contribute to society, you’ll be sadled with that bagage.

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    • I think you would do O.K. in he golden bay, motueka area, there is a large immigrant population (including several American family that have been there for a long time, aas well as spiritual leaders that spend part of the year in the area) that is interested in spiritual matters there, i.e. yoga, buddism, spiritual retreats etc. Another area you might be interested in is the west coast of the south island, especially kaniere just outside of hokitika, but these places are small with little work opporutnities unless you have your own business or bring a lot of money with you.
      I don’t know much about the north island.

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      • KiwiUsa, please don’t mention the West Coast my ex husband is from there… they are a bunch of ignorant and police officer are pretty corrupt I been assaulted by one and nothing happened. The Italian Embassy was inside the matter and the Ministry foreign affairs of Rome. Very traumatising. I think is a very racist country and not used to foreign. I feel very sorry for them when I publish my book in 2month. But I am putting a petition to the United Nations. News need to travel outside New Zealand. Working on it with few journalist. 😉

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  20. It is not a merit-based society. They operate on the basis of who knows whom and palm greasing. So if you take pride in having worked to reach a certain level and expect that to be recognised, drop that idea.

    If you can roll with the punches you will do fine with the snide remarks. I second talking to local migrants.

    The gouging is another thing entirely. I met an American lady in town the other day who said she was fresh off the boat and already ripped off once, and also been warned twice by other Americans about ripoffs. Won’t be long before she wished she had met more like that and spoken with them before selling up and moving down here. I have not met a single other American in town (I know a handful) who doesn’t have at least one ripoff story.

    There are nice Kiwis here, but they take awhile to find. And then actually forming good permanent friendships with them is a whole different ballgame.

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  21. read some Kiwi in America type blogs, comments, forums and they are funny – Kiwis who move to America think they will be shot at due to the image of America in their own press, and while there, they are amazed that they aren’t instant victims of gun crime! 😀

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  22. I’d been living here in NZ for the last 5 years now and I find that most Kiwis, in general, have a peninsular mindset and are ignorant, hence, their views about Americans and the world are always suspicious. This peninsular mindset is ingrained and taught while Kiwi children are still in their primary school, no wonder, they develop a sarcastic attitude when they become adults. While I must admit that not all Kiwis have a peninsular mindset, most of them, in their own right, more often than not, has this “supremacy attitude” and this attitude is expressed by implicitly and explicitly looking down on others, ie, by always making rude, smart-ass remarks or comments, mocking a non-Kiwi accent, making a sarcastic comeback that’s triggered to make someone feel stupid so Kiwis feel “supreme” over the others.

    This “supremacy attitude” is directed to all non-Kiwis, btw, not just Americans. Singling-out Americans as Kiwis don’t like them is an understatement. This “supremacy attitude” applies to all nationalities as long as you are not a Kiwi. Perhaps, I should say that “racism” is actually NZ’s best-kept secret and this is magnified by their ignorance and lack of understanding on what’s happening around the world.

    On the other hand, there are Kiwis who are also polite and accommodating, but you will find that these Kiwis are more of an exception than a general rule. But just to be fair, Kiwis in general have good virtues too – they are upright in their dealings and uncompromising to do on what is right. But then again, “what is right depends on what Kiwis consider as right”, and being polite and having excellent customer service is not one of them (they’re not friendly people-persons). Not because they don’t want to, it’s simply unnatural for them and takes more of an effort to practice courtesy. Kiwis, in general, often obey rules and laws and they know if they have crossed the line, hence, you can admire that most of the population practices self-discipline to right the wrong.

    What I find fascinating here is that it’s easier to deal with Kiwi men as they are more level-headed than to deal with Kiwi women. While most countries have an equal balance of gender, Kiwi men are calmer, level headed and more intelligent than Kiwi women, in general. Again, there are many intelligent women in NZ but, in this regard, the scale is tipped towards men than women. But both genders share equally the same rights, freedom and privileges.

    I find it contradictory that Kiwis do not like Americans when the contrary is true with KIwis when it comes to international training that requires expertise, you might be surprised to know that aside from other nationalities, Americans are paid for and sought-after by Kiwis to train them.

    To think that Kiwis do not like Americans is a complete fallacy, to be honest. Talk is really cheap. The very main reason why Kiwis dislike Americans in their talks is the very same reason that Kiwis seek and pay for Americans to help them to be trained to become experts. What, did I hear someone say hypocrites?

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    • “they are upright in their dealings and uncompromising to do on what is right”, more like the apearance of what is right.
      Kiwis are great believers of it is OK, if you don’t get caught. There is a thin veneer of propriety, once you scratch through that veneer, it is a whole new ball game.
      There is a public face [proper, upright…], and a private face [do whatever as long as you don’t get caught].

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    • All i could read was the first paragraph, theres so much hate in there for someone talking about hate, whats your problem, so what are kids are still in school, i can say my young brothers are in school learning, playing, laughing while im not there and i dont have to worry about some crazy guy shooting because he has problems with someone else. Im ery sorry that has happened in the US but what do you expect, people young and old are carrying guns…

      Not all kiwis are haters, im pretty open minded knowing the stereotypes but dont always jump to assumptions that a certain race automatically puts them in a certain stereotype.

      And your saying we are sarcastic, rude, smart-ass comments, mocking non kiwi accents, again, you tell me where in the world people dont mock other accent, tell me one, and ill say sorry, im wrong, and what about americans sarcastic attitude against serious events, like that fatal shark attack on the father and that “disgusting, sarcastic, one minded american show” who mock the death and made a song and dance about it. If you dont like new zealand feel free to move.

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      • I think the difference is that one American guy on TV being an asshat doesn’t represent the general experience of Kiwis in America. In the USA, random Americans won’t come up to you and tell you they hate your country (and you by extension). But that happens all the time here. Kiwis who are skilled and qualified have little trouble finding jobs in America. Those of us who were top in our field in the USA end up working retail here in NZ.

        You read hate in the first paragraph. I read my daily experience. I know you want to blame us for relating our experiences, but your unique country is unique in the Western world in the level of its hatred toward outsiders and especially Americans…and we must daily deal with these issues, not simply ready about it in the Herald or watch it on TV1. Your impression of the USA is formed by a news media that makes its money by bagging on America. Our impression of NZ is formed by living here and being harassed, threatened and put down by the locals.

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        • “In the USA, random Americans won’t come up to you and tell you they hate your country (and you by extension). But that happens all the time here.”

          I second this. It’s true. I had it happen to me as well.

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          • This happens several times a month. I go out of my way to go to corner stores that are run by Indians, they seen to have a better attitude toward Americans. Other than that, I just stay home, don’t talk in public, and NEVER talk around a Kiwi that’s been drinking [they are few and far between].

            I third it.

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          • I agree, they are much worse when they are drinking. In beer-o veritas. Louder, nastier and stupider, filters off!

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          • Why don’t you tell us your story Justin?

            Why did you leave Auckland for Melbourne and do you have a better quality of life there?

            How do you feel as a Kiwi (presumably) on a special category visa and what beneficial recommendations can you make to anyone wanting to leave New Zealand?

            Tip. Try to avoid the inane ‘don’t like it then leave‘ stock reply. Read our Comments section and take the first step on the Path to Enlightenment.

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          • Guess what, “Justin”, if there were a bad part of town where you were mugged and gangbanged, and it was not well posted, would you want other poor naive unwitting migrants stumbling into it?

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      • @ Pj: “but what do you expect, people young and old are carrying guns…”

        And you’ve spent exactly how much time in the states? And how much of the U.S. did you see?

        Yes, your sarcastic empathy for the victims of school shootings here, insincere as it is, is touching, but you may not be aware that you are far more likely to be struck by lightning while holding a winning lottery ticket than you are to be a victim of a shooting, most anywhere in the United States.

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          • The race organiser said of Lundy

            ”He’s quite a marketable chap,” he said. ”It’s definitely in bad taste. People are offended by all sorts of behaviour but they need to harden up.

            ”There is not a lot you can do these days without offending someone so why not go all out and make light of a double homicide.”

            With NZ’s high murder/manslaugher/”accidental death” rate it must be a laugh a minute!

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          • Yeah. Their “candidness” seems refreshing until you’ve lived there for awhile and realize that they are actually not candid at all about their country’s problems. Big secrets and big, big lies to hide them. The humor is a diversionary and coping tactic. Don’t let it fool you into thinking New Zealand is a merry place.

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  23. “they are upright in their dealings and uncompromising to do on what is right”

    I would disagree with this. Though there are some upright ones, too many justify their behaviour with a veneer of uprightness, using arguments intended to appeal to fairness. That is not the same thing. Also, the elderly people are in the main honest. The younger the generation, the “more likely” you are to find fast and loosers.

    Many misunderstandings arise when foreigners accustomed to a life of relative luxury, or good quality for reasonable prices, come down to New Zealand and feel they are ripped off by poor quality, sharp trading, high prices. I wish people were more aware of what to expect. Many Kiwis do not know any better, and are offended. There is a chasm of difference in expectation and experience! They think the foreigners are spoiled. Relatively speaking, they are! Some of this is genuine misunderstanding. It is good that more descriptive, balanced accounts of New Zealand living are appearing on the web, so immigrants have more information available to them than they did 10 years ago.

    I know one woman who moved to Outback Australia? She could not hack life on the station, having to drive hours to the nearest store. Similar for New Zealand. When the beautiful views become more mundane, and novelty wears off, daily life in a country with unfamiliar hardship becomes a grind for those who take comforts for granted.

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  24. Funny thread on GP forums.
    http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=a54d8566c85769835d923817677ad117&threadid=428625&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

    The consensus there seemed to be that America had many bad points, but usually Americans themselves as individuals were not too bad. I have lived in New Zealand for about 3 years now. New Zealand is the opposite. Beautiful country, but the people are awful to deal with if you are not throwing money at them.

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  25. NZ has a large international group of people due to tourism and EUs are just as terrible and so rude. Yet they ALL sit and watch American reality TV all day long and get drunk listening to American top 40 at the bars.

    I am an Afro-American and people listen to our music and watch us on TV then act like i’m some sort of alien because they have never actually seen one in real life.

    European men are so racist, i’m a girl, and people just stare at me when i walk down the street. i wanted to leave the deep south to get away from all that but it is my life anywhere. people try to touch me and pet my hair like i’m an animal and talk to me like a baby. It is impossible to get a job because your looks are a big deal in getting a job except, sorry, but EUs are some of the ugliest people i’ve ever seen.

    Most americans work hard to look good and EU look like death walking. sorry but if people are going to turn me away from jobs for being brown with natural hair then they should look in the mirror. Most NZ young people are so underqualified for employment that I thought it would be no problem landing a job in my field. Nope. Cafes will hire foreigners and they’ll put you to the dishes. I was making the food and all the customers complained and my boss said ‘that’s why all americans are fat’. the food here is so terrible. stale crusty shit with no flavor…or giant ass sausages that will give you a heart attack.

    The university system is a joke. My professors are really unaware and only know about NZ and are biased because i was educated abroad and I have brought so many changes to the department. The young people take a year off and work at bars in canada then come back to NZ totally unprepared. Kiwis and EU and American young people all live off their parents money and travel around and get drunk and don’t work. I thought I left that behind! They can only speak English which more Americans know a second language than Kiwis.

    There is racism all around. Afro-Americans have made a long journey to drop the hate and anger towards whites and no it is not perfect but people are starting to make a conscious effort now. Maoris and Islanders are so racist so then nothing gets done. Think about it…everything they complain about Americans are what white Kiwis hate about Maori they just can’t say it. The Maori imitate black culture as a way to figure how to deal with oppressiona and find a current identity. Maori people are generally closed off. I thought as a person of color there would be warmth and a connection but they will not interact with me or speak with me or invite me over.

    Indians are many here and the same way they seem to prefer white people as friends and try to be like them. Africans don’t even smile at you…unless they are pervy men. In the states there is a inner connection between people of color (non white people) and black people greet each other even if we don’t know each other. Africans will not but I force them to by saying hello first. I know these are completely different cultures but I thought there would be some kind of common ground my god. People act like i should hate America because I’m black but it’s complicated. They are the powers that be so learn their knowledge and ways and fight the system from within, accomplish what they have then excell at it and make a path for others. Maori just haven’t gotten there yet. and I don’t want to hear what some Norwegian brat has to complain about America when she has been there for a week as a tourist on her daddy’s money and watches America’s next top model marathons.

    People ‘joke’ alot and then say take it its just a joke what is your problem. If you defend yourself they think you are a b$%^&. I feel like all these foreigners will go back to their countries and say how awful black people are because I am so strange to them yet they listen to hard core rap and know every word. They talk shit about America but all they know is white America and I’m waiting for the day someone slips up. Kiwis don’t know anything about the Spanish speaking world either…which is like half the globe!

    Everything is so expensive yet the quality is so bad! Rainjackets are essential here…300-500 dollars and thin as paper! I came here for school and the overseas fees are insane and i’m having a terrible time and getting a shit education and my degree will be a joke back in the states.

    I wanted to leave the south because all the young ladies were just getting married like it was 1800 and talking about weddings all the damn time and I wanted to see the world. I should have gone to NYC or London. I have met some good people but everyone is so much younger than me that I feel like a late bloomer. I will try and enjoy myself and make the most of it. Back home I’m the only one that has ever been to NZ. Study abroad here kids but don’t get the whole degree and don’t move here!

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  26. Tired, I hope your year of study goes quickly and you can find a place where people treat you the way you want to be treated. I am a Yank (white) and had a next-door neighbor who was a tribal lady from Africa, and she was a breath of fresh air compared to the Kiwis. I was so sad when she moved away.

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  27. @ Tired

    I feel your pain. I lived in ChCh, NZ from 2001-2002 and I couldn’t WAIT to get the F*** out of there. I was surrounded by so many racist white-kiwis who reminded me of old, racist, kkk men from the deep south in the States. I kept thinking to myself, “well I could have just visited the southern part of the states for a year instead of cominng here, it’s the same thing.” The level of ignorance about the U.S. is astounding and it’s based on tv shows, movies, tabloids, etc. Yes there is antiamericanism in NZ and I wouldn’t have a problem with it, if it were based on facts and personal experiences/travel to the U.S. If someone came to me and said, “I hate the U.S. and I used to live there for a year or so.” , Then there would be validity to their statement but most of them have never been to the States and will tell you how much they despise a country they have never visited. It’s perfectly normal to dislike a country or culture, it’s called being human. However, it’s wrong when a person has never stepped foot in the country they dislike so much.

    I’m an expat who has lived abroad for years. I had a Kiwi roommate who was a guy and he was obnoxious. I couldn’t stand him at all. The 3rd week I was living at the apartment, he let me know his opinion of the states but it wasn’t based on any facts. It was based on some tv shows and movies. I told him that too and he became defensive. Plus there was just the lack of knowledge about global politics and what is going on in the world, he had lived abroad for years and was completely clueless about what was going on in other countries. He was also a know-it-all and was constantly dispensing unsolicited advice.

    I’ve met a few, rare, wonderful exceptions and befriended them, but most of the Kiwis I’ve met when I lived in NZ and also while traveling abroad tend to only care about drinking, smoking weed, taking acid or pills, staying ignorant, and telling you how much they hate {insert a country} based on movies and tv shows.

    My best experiences with expats have been with Scandinavians, Germans, Dutch, Polish, Czechs, Italians, Israelis, Brazilians, Argentines, Cubans, and Chileans. They tend to be multilingual, well traveled, educated, and know what they are talking about in a conversation or a debate. They are a lot of fun to be around.

    The worst people I’ve met abroad are Kiwis, Americans, English and Aussies; to me they are the worst for different reasons that very specific.
    So perhaps it’s just people from English speaking countries that are the worst?

    I don’t know but I usually avoid them (including my fellow countrymen/women) when I live abroad.

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  28. Interesting reading.

    I’m an American living in Auckland and I have found Kiwis to be incredibly friendly, especially when they hear my accent. Granted, I’ve only been here for a little over 2 months. Someone posted that they don’t like to chat just for the sake of chatting, which I don’t agree with. I’ve met a lot of chatty Kiwis, they seem to be more chatty than not. As a whole, they seem to be open and friendly people.

    I’ve had one negative experience. I had one guy call me an “Aggressive American” in a bar after he introduced himself: “Hi my name is XXX, I like the small of a woman’s back, the turn of her ankle. I am recently divorced with two children. You have beautiful eyes. I’m not picking up on you.” He was three sheets to the wind and after I very politely told him that I was married (a few times) he stated calling ME “aggressive”. Perhaps I had to get a little aggressive with him to get the point across that I was married and was not interested. All in all, it was pretty funny (I took no offense) and my new Kiwi girl-friend and I have laughed about that night quite a bit.

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  29. Its not just aniti- Americanism – its anti -pretty much everyone. Just like “small men” generalisation (you know – they are nasty/bitchy/over aggressive/self conscious and overcompensation for lack of stature), NZ has “small country” syndrome. The world is one big threat to their way of life.

    Also very unfriendly, and subscribe to stereotypes about whoever – yanks, saffas, aussies, french, etc- like its gospel instead of just finding out themselves – so set in tehir wasy and staid. I dont find Kiwis very warm at all – not outgoing or hospitable at all. And, if it aint kiwi work experience, it doesn’t count (ridiculously in some cases, where some offshore experience dwarfs stuff done here) .

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    • Kiwis are incredibly small minded too, this also includes some “happy immigrants” who try too hard to be like kiwis, bitching about other nationalities based on stereotypes, but who in reality live in no-man’s land, I’ve had the misfortune to deal with some of those as well.
      NZ is nothing but a white Gary Coleman (rip) 😉

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    • (ridiculously in some cases, where some offshore experience dwarfs stuff done here) .

      You’d think that a small insular country would welcome diversity of experiance, but things need to be done the kiwi way [even if it is slower, poorer quality…]
      Offshore tech is not valued.

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  30. Note some of the ones who like it here have only been here a short time. It took about a year and a half of trying hard, mixed positives and negatives, and ignoring red flags so as not to look like a whinger, for me to see that I was a poor fit as an immigrant.

    I think that those those who haven’t tried to embed themselves in a community yet and seen how they operate here have a sunnier view of New Zealand.

    The ones who do not like it turn their attention towards leaving, and mainly succeed.

    The few who stay are the ones who were good fits as migrants in the first place. The ones who realise it’s not for them and then put all their effort into leaving as soon as possible are the ones you do not hear from as often, but they are the ones who are important to listen to if you are thinking about migrating, because they’ll be straight up about what they didn’t like. You’ll hear from them more as they are trying to work out in their minds why they don’t like it, so they will sound off a bit on one forum or another (not just expatexposed but other ones too) and then stop spending time on the Internet and simply use their waking hours to get it together, leave, and never look back. It is considerably harder to leave than to immigrate here due to having less money after landing, having it siphoned off you while living here, and having been left behind in one’s skills or unable to find work, etcetera.

    I appreciate the efforts of this site owner and others such as Agness on expatexposed who didn’t just leave and not look back. They took the time and effort after they left to shine their flashlights on NZ’s problems, the reasons why so many Kiwis leave the country, and the cultlike efforts to attract fresh blood and their assets to keep the country afloat. If you come after reading all this and like it, more power to you for informing yourself. If you decide NZ might not be for you because these sites exist, and so you’re better informed than some of the rest of us were, so much the better. If you read all this and still come, well… you have my sympathy but you’re either very idealistic or a fool and you’ll be parted from your ideals and money soon enough.

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  31. Kathleen, you sound like you wouldn’t be happy where ever you go. You sound closed minded and jaded. Yes, I’ve only been here for a short time, but I remain open minded and ready to embrace anyone who is the same. I’ve lived all over the world and I have found that no place is perfect, there is a downside to where ever you live, even a tropical paradise like Hawaii. You have to take the bad with the good and focus on the good to be happy.

    Not every place is going to make every person happy. We’re all individuals with independent dreams, goals and standards of living. That said, to lump an entire country of people into a few stereotypes is unfair. I would hate it if it happened to me, and I’m sure you would too.

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    • @Ruby girl

      I’m glad you’re having a good experience in NZ. That’s great! I noticed your reply to Kathleen; just because someone else doesn’t like NZ, does not mean that there is something inherently wrong with them because of their reaction to the culture. To take the focus away from her experience and pinpoint her reaction is a form of “gaslighting.” It makes the focus about what is wrong with her, and there is nothing wrong with her. When the focus should be what she can do to get the most out of her time in NZ, a country that can be difficult to live in at times.

      (The currentconscience.com has a blog post about gaslighting.)

      Look I’ve lived all over the world as well and some places I’ve liked better than others. I love Denmark! I love Mexico! I can’t stand NZ! Does that mean NZ is a bad place because I don’t like it? No it doesn’t. NZ is a good country, however as a person of color from the U.S., I would not advise other POC to live there. It’s a great place for a vacation but I don’t think that is a place that a POC or someone from one of the more cosmopolitan areas of the world could enjoy living (not vacationing) in NZ without noticing some glaring anti-POC problems.

      I was there for a year and the amount of anti-everything (pick an ethnic group) diatribe that I had to listen to daily was exhausting. It reminded me of living in pockets of the U.S. that are white supremacist. Every country has its flaws, that is correct. My problem with NZ is that from the North island to the South Island, I heard some really ignorant racist ideologies which were based on some kind of indoctrination. They weren’t small pockets of the country, it was pervasive and everywhere.

      I had several Kiwis tell me that people of African descent and Asians were cursed.
      Many people told me this and they weren’t trying to be offensive, they really believed what they said.
      I was also tired of telling Kiwis that no one calls people “negroes or n*****s” anymore. in the U.S. and U.K. It wasn’t just the older generation, it was the younger generation who thought it was perfectly fine to call someone this in casual conversation. Example, “Oh look there are two negroes walking down the street.” You’d think that since the NZ media has been saturated with British and American tv, by request of NZ networks (U.S. and British networks didn’t force NZ to buy their tv shows) that they would know that no one is called by racial derogatory names/epithets as a matter of casual conversation.

      NZ kind of reminds me of a secular version of Texas. If you stripped away the psychotic-religious culture of Texas and made it agnostic, then Texas and NZ are similar.
      Golliwogs and all…..

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  32. Rubygirl, there was a time when Kathleen was as idealistic and as “open minded and ready to embrace” as you are now. If you ever have to stay in New Zealand for as long as she and our other readers have, please come back and share your experience with us. We will not judge you as easily as you have judged..

    Until then, enjoy your honeymoon while it lasts.

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  33. Sorry, I didn’t feel as if I was judging. I am of the camp that believes you get what you put out there. If you expect people to treat you a certain way, they will.

    But I will check back after being here a few years and let you know my experience.

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    • Rugbygirl don’t most migrants belong to that camp?

      No one emigrates looking for the same old same old. They all put a great deal of effort, time and resources in to the whole emigration process, it’s too simplistic to say they “only get what they put out” when they’ve put their lives and financial security into making the move to New Zealand.

      Thanks for your contribution, keep in touch and we wish you well.

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  34. Thank you, webmaster. I have lived in other countries and enjoyed them. I especially enjoyed France, because I like wine, art, history and a vigorous intelligent discussion. :o) That might give you a clue as to why I didn’t enjoy New Zealand, though the wine does help make you forget the rest of it! ;o) Yes, I migrated with a completely open mind, and even shoved aside the things that I noticed, things that started to happen to me, because “yes”, bad things happen everywhere and problems exist everywhere, of course they do. I tried to “only remember the positive things” in an effort to make my positive atittude less shaky when the bad things happened to me. But eventually the bad outweighed the good, and it took about a year and a half. It could be that this poster won’t have the experiences others have had. Not everyone does! Auckland is more multicultural, and the Kiwis there are more accustomed to foreigners. She needs to move further into the society, work, invest, try to develop a support network, date men (or women), and in general become more familiar with New Zealand. I sincerely hope she is one of the lucky ones who fare well and like it here. But she shouldn’t tell the rest of us that we aren’t open-minded enough. I kept my mind quite open. The problem was what they filled it with! :o)

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  35. I’m sorry I said you didn’t have an open mind. You had your experiences and I respect that. You can direct your comments directly to me, I am here and listening with open ears.

    Like I said, in my previous post, I am sorry that I sounded “judgy” and I will give it a year and 1/2 and repost my experiences.

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  36. I’m sorry.

    I’m sorry that I was judgmental, I really didn’t mean to be. I’m sorry that I called Kathleen close-minded. I wrote that without thinking and I wish I could take it back. I also wish that we could move on from that. I understand that I was wrong and I would like to move forward.

    Like I said twice before, I will remain open-minded during my stay here and will report back when I’ve been here longer. Perhaps my experiences will be like yours, perhaps they will be quite different. Only time will tell.

    What I do know is that my experience has already been different from what is described here. You are all asking that I respect your experiences, and I sincerely do, I only ask the same from you.

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  37. Don’t worry about it, Rubygirl, no offense taken, and you know, I might have had the same reaction only a couple months into it, because I wanted to embrace it. I had invested so much in loving it here. I didn’t want anyone raining on my parade, either, back then. I sincerely hope you have a happy time here. I don’t want people not to like it, because the loss of the mistake, for some of us, has been unrecoverable. Left eye looking and I, for various reasons, did not enjoy living here. Seems like the people themselves were the worst of it for both of us, though the financial aspect was not negotiable for me either. It is an isolated island that has produced a particular way of its inhabitants relating to one another, although you cannot really see this until you have peeled back a few layers and embedded yourself. That takes time (unless, like lefteye, you are very recognisable on the street). And you know, luck comes into it, too. But outside of the bad luck, for me, it was just a culture I didn’t enjoy. It was like sandpaper to my sensibilities.

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  38. Very bad country. I have been here for 4 years as an immigrant from North America and I can tell you that living here is not nice.

    By all north American and European standards New Zealand is a very poor country. Also, they lie a lot when they market themselves. They tell you we have a very good education system and unviersities and it’s all green, clean and we care about animals. But in reality, they have a very low standard level of education, high pollution level and the worst curelty to animals; best examples are how they treat their pigs.

    The funny thing is that they think they have a better quality of life where every 6 months more than 4000 kiwis cross the boarder to Australia to have a better life. You can’t make it in this country. Economy is very bad and literally no jobs here. Get to north america or Australia before thining about immigrating to this little unkown country called New Zealand.

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    • Martin, you’re quite right. The reality of New Zealand is vastly different than the propaganda. More so than you’d ever expect. It’s the opposite of a clean, environmentally aware, safe place. I’m glad you’ve brought up the issue of animal cruelty. It’s appalling to see so much of it here. There are many, many examples, but one is the “charming” practice of tethering a lone goat to a low tin shack, usually in full sun. Imagine the suffering of the poor, gregarious animal being left out alone like that, yet it is an extremely common rural sight, and considered a part of Kiwiana. Animal abuse seems rampant. Not surprising, though, considering the extremely high rates of child abuse and child murder. Kiwis sweep problems under the rug, and blandly accept behaviour that would appall others.

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      • Add shark finning too (which is legal if the shark is dead…wonder how they met their deaths…). Their hypocrisy is appalling, they criticise Asian countries, but they should look in the mirror first.

        Kiwiana = boganism

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    • USA is not the same anymore and at least in Aus and NZ you
      can get some kind of benefit without having children if you are a
      permanent resident. Not in US unless you have unemployment. Yes the
      health system is sh** and the education system pathetic in NZ but
      if you have no money at least you have something- not in the good
      old US. Standards of living are low in NZ- yes that is true.
      Standards of sex are also low but that is everywhere. If you have
      morals and principles to live by – great! live by them and who
      cares what everyone else is doing- most people live in a daze
      whether in US, Aus or NZ. Nice people are everywhere – just learn
      to take the babe and leave the bath water. South Island is more
      narrow-minded than North Island when it comes to
      multiculturalism.

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  39. I just don’t get any of you people on both sides of the debate. Honestly, shark finning, warm restaurants, animal cruelty? Kiwis are this, Americans are that.. I mean, jesus, I always thought Americans were a warm people and I was treated so well when I was in America that I couldn’t conceive they could actually be anything like the stereotypes, I’ve always thought my fellow Kiwis laid back, she’ll be right sort of people. But here you BOTH are, Kiwis and Americans alike reinforcing the worst possible stereotypes of each other.

    Well done, really, this is, by far the stupiest ‘debate’ I have ever read, anywhere. I now feel stupid even contributing to it.

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    • The problem is that Americans are pretty straight up about America’s problems. We have a People of Walmart site for instance showing off the worst of ourselves, and we debate our open sores freely. New Zealand markets itself cleverly and its people have an inaccurate idea of themselves and their country. Sites like this were set up when enough migrants became fed up with the disparity.

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  40. you are going to find small minded people wherever you go, especially if you are looking for them. I go out of my way to avoid them but have spent years trying to educate my homophoebic mother about the dreaded weed , and try telling my father that ciggerettes are addictive! I think I was about 15 when i seen my first black person. The bottom of the south island is red neck country. mullets, and black singlets, v8’s. we are shocked by the ’emo’ culture. most haven’t left the country esp. the older generation. farms wil get passed down through the generations, and there is generally too much work to do to be able to take some frivolous trip overseas when we know full well ‘there ain’t no place like home’. I think USAers biggest problem is their innability to accept local customs and complete inability to understand sarcasm. and remember BLOWING YOUR OWN TRUMPET is seen as being a wee bit up yourself ’round here. apologies for my over generalisations and spelling mistakes.

    If you think we are racist look to australias terratorians. small minded, shit customer service and blacks were ground up to tar the roads. while i lived in katherine there were two black people run over in one night. the next morning a young white guy on a motercycle crashed and burned. blacks: 3rd page 200 words. white guy, front page for three weeks, tv that night. people still saying what a waste( the guy was an absolute shit). not a word about the young black fellas that were killed. best stay off the road ’cause ya can’t see the buggers at night, cause they black, chuckle. all they can say is how they feel sorry for the poor white chick who run one over and how her life must be so difficult now. made several good friends there though….

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  41. Thank you Kiwi for your contribution, if you took the time to read some of the comments on this page and our others blogs about racism in NZ you’d know that people have been seriously affected by racism in New Zealand. Are you calling them silly for being victims? An apology for the actions of your countrymen and women would’ve been more appreciated, racism obviously is a non issue for you. If that attitude is widespread perhaps that is why racism is so prevalent in New Zealand?

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  42. All this talk about racism and discrimination in my opinion is ridiculous and is fast becoming a thing of the past.

    This is ongoing and current. My comment [above] was based on the “super storm Sandy” that hit the east coast of the US the week before the US presidential election [Nov. 6]. That is less than a month ago.

    You are dreaming if you think that this is “old news”.

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  43. Hey, don’t usually comment to things like this but after reading what that Kiwi said I’m ashamed to be a New Zealander. I’m not sure whether its cause I’m young or where I’m from (Christchurch) but I’ve always loved Americans. The people, the accent, the comedy and definitely the music. I don’t at all agree with what they said, although there may be some like that, there are some Kiwis like the 1 who posted that. Doesn’t mean you judge every American by that, when in reality it is only a few.

    Anyway I’ll finish up by saying don’t listen to what 1 New Zealander thinks about Americans, because it isn’t what we all think. Someone in the pub tells me they’ve moved to NZ from overseas you won’t stop me talking, trust me you won’t get socially isolated whatsoever.

    And for all racist Kiwi’s (all racists in general really) reading this, you’ll soon realise karma bloody sucks lol.

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  44. Wow! This is my exact experience here. I’ve spent the past 5 years in New Zealand. At least once a month, a complete stranger tells me how much they hate America. They have bizarro anti-american propaganda on TV all the time, and yes, I have almost no friends here and moving here ended my 20-year career as a designer. Kiwis do absolutely hate us. I wish I could convince my Kiwi partner to go live in the USA, but she won’t, so I’m stuck in this little green slice of Hell.

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    • I can relate to this. I’ve lived in NZ for over a decade
      and at least once a week someone comes up to me and gives me
      negative comments about America and Americans. They do this in
      front of my children as well. After they rant on they ask me what I
      think of NZ and NZers I pause. I usually give a diplomatic BS
      answer and comment on how beautiful the landscape is…and how it’s
      great for children, then move on .(I was raised to respect others
      no matter whether I liked them or not.) In the US, I grew up as a
      minority and had to develop a shell to swat off and deal with
      racism. Little did I know that this was preparation for adulthood
      and how to deal with going overseas and being hated for something
      else…my nationality. Oh and by the way: I’m not loud, rude,
      arrogant, un-educated, or obese. People ask where I am from when
      they hear my non discript (N. California) accent and then pounce.
      This is my home. This is where I am raising my family. ( My
      children will grow to be resilient.) If I said what I have seen,
      and heard, and experienced….they (NZers) would hate me for
      shining a light on their true nature.” Pure” is not a word that
      comes to mind….there are exceptions though. (The exceptions make
      my living here worthwhile.)

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      • Thank you for your reply Denise. New Zealanders forget that people who migrate to their lovely country do so with every intention of integrating and becoming part of their community. In a country where everyone has an immigrant past it is unforgivable that you should meet such xenophobia and resentment, all you want to do is blend in and make a contribution.

        We’re always looking for contributors to our Migrant Tales series, if you’d like to add something it will be warmly received.

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    • They don’t even confine the nasty comments to New Zealand. I talked to a guy today who runs a flea market stall here in the States, and he said that when he asked some Kiwis what they thought of America, they had snarky stuff to say to him. He was just being friendly. You know, they could have said something positive about their travels, even that they enjoyed the shopping. Anything. Whatever I thought of New Zealand, I did keep it to myself out of politeness when Kiwis asked me what I thought of their country, when I was living there. I just told them it was very pretty and stopped there. The things I wanted to say! What a vicious little country. Glad to see people letting it all hang out on this website.

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      • NZ is one of the most disorganized Western countries- work in Government, go to their Universities and you will get to know…. There is little courtesy like asking you what you like or need in the workplace even if you have a health issue that limits you- they do not care unless you happen to be friends- it is all about them and what they are used to. They say they hate the POMs but they are more like the POMs than Americans- reasons why… little standards, little ethics, little boundaries, esp when it comes to casual sex, drinking and eating fish and chips and dark chocolate and beer- NZers are not very different than POMs and they fit well together culturally. NZ have little manners and are more brash than what meets the eye. My warning- if you come here be prepared to be treated indifferently by your colleagues as many will be jealous of you if you have some skill or standards of living or taste in dress or fashion because very few of them do… Most all the women dress alike and very few give attention to their appearance- the men who dress nice are usually gay or business men.

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    • you should leave that Kiwi slut! These women are all out for American husbands. They act the slut to travellers to try and hook one. ‘ended my 20 year career as a designer’ that right there is everything! Move back home, man! Career comes first no matter what because love don’t pay the bills. I always am shocked at Americans who stay for Kiwi love. These people are ugly as SHIT with no personality and terrible accents who smack their food. Leave her wrinkled up slut Kiwi ass!

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  45. Yep totally agree.. I’m sorry but find the “loud mouthed, love the sound of my voice” American annoying. This is generalised but find most are media hyped and think that the sun shines out of their a holes.. The attitude gets nowhere with a lot of us dte NZers. :/

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    • “loud mouthed, love the sound of my voice”
      This same thing applies to Kiwis. I’ve got to shut the back door when the people next door are out in the yard talking.
      I wouldn’t mind it so much if they said more than nonsense in their droning.

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  46. New Zealand is a beautiful country, especially the West Coast of the South Island. I really like Wellington as well.

    Judging from the Kiwi and American comments, nothing has really changed in NZ since I lived there in 2001. I remember living in Christchurch from 2001 – 2002 and had to constantly hear racist comments about Blacks (I’m African American) and generic stereotypes about US citizens. I was called negro at least once a week and I wasn’t allowed to correct anyone that negro is an offensive term because if I did that, then I was labeled a know-it-all American that was a bit up herself. When I finally began to correct people about not calling me a negro, then I was deemed too politically correct to live in NZ. It was very frustrating to say the least and one of the reasons I left the country. I thought it was fascinating that White Kiwis felt that they had the privilege to inform me of what I should and shouldn’t be called. I felt like I was living in some bizarre version of the deep South in the 1960’s.
    Whenever I tell Polynesians from Australia or NZ and White Australians about my experiences in NZ, they believe me and empathize. Whenever I tell White Kiwis they think that I’m lying and fabricating everything to just to give NZ a bad reputation.
    Education is the key; unfortunately, it seemed that every negative stereotype, generalization, and media image that are portrayed by the media about the US are consumed wholeheartedly. Critical analysis of the US media doesn’t seem to occur and media images aren’t filtered or questioned.
    The other thing that I noticed was a double standard. It was ok for Kiwis to make racist jokes about Black people and it was considered all good fun. If I made racist jokes about Kiwis then I was told that I was being too serious, I needed to lighten up, and that my jokes hurt their feelings. The double standard.
    Overall I found Australia to be a more pleasant country to live in than NZ. In my experiences of traveling through 23 countries, I feel that Aussies are more cosmopolitan, accepting of diversity, and less prone to mass stereotyping.

    The other thing that I have to say is that we, US citizens, living abroad need to complain more to Hollywood about the types of images that are projected about US culture overseas. Hollywood is not doing us any favors. The Western media industrial complex churns out manufactured, plastic, images of what the US is and it’s false information which is being presented as valid information. It’s frightening when you think about it.

    Simple stereotypes like all Californians surf and all Texans are cowboys to harmful stereotypes like all Blacks live in gross poverty and all Native Americans live teepees.

    The next time I visit the South Pacific, I’ll be make an extended stay in Australia and skipping NZ.

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  47. Drop the we in your gross generalizations about the Kiwi opinion of Americans. I am an
    American living in New Zealand who has been extremely well treated and I have quite a
    few close Kiwi friends. Your article says more about you than Kiwi’s. You give them a bad
    name.

    Speak only for yourself. Diana

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  48. Diana Malin is apparently married to a Mike Malin, who is a kiwi.

    As an American who has lived here for eight years, I have met two types of American expats: (1) the saccharin syncophants, many of whom are married to kiwis and suffer from a cultural Stockholm Syndrome, identifying with their captors; (2) Americans who deeply regret their choice to move to NZ and leave as fast as they can. The syncophants will bad-mouth the US to kiwis, play along with their captors, agree with kiwi disgust about all things American, and defend or excuse kiwi behaviour when they behave badly. The syncophants would betray their fellow Americans for personal advantage. It’s good to know which side you are on, Diana.

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    • Yeah, know the types of which you speak. The sycophants are nauseating. Stepford wives. Stockholm Syndrome is right. Smug to the point of making you want to puke, hating their country of birth with a virulent unreasonableness, while refusing to see any of New Zealand’s problems. They’re just awful. I also know inbetween sorts who are stuck there for awhile (usually family reasons) and don’t like it, but they don’t dare be vocal about it because they want to be at peace with Kiwi neighbors and acquaintances, not to mention people they work with, and won’t talk much about it with you. Even though you know quite well what they think from what they let slip.

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  49. wow!! guys I like these discussions out here!!! I think some of you guys (americans )described kiwis exactly the way I see them, “bad customer service , impoliteness”, when you go to a restaurant looks like they are making you a favor of serving you! what happens is that I ve talked to some kiwi people and only those who have lived abroad NZ are more open minded other wise you will deal with wild and rude people, one thing I noticed is that if you give back this rudeness to them , they tend to respect you more if you take every thing they impose to you you are dead!!! I am a brazilian living in North island for 10 months now! and honestly I got disappointed when I noticed this, when I started understanding the kiwis, on the other hand when I visited USA back in 2011 my perception was that american are much more open and easy going than kiwis, they are warmer, when I was still in Brazil I met two american girls and talked a lot to them, I met an american guy as well and their enthusiasm is different I mean it because I am highly qualified software professional who was hired to come here and teach kiwis and deliver high level projects and the kiwis tend to hear you and respect your opinions until they got to know the subject then after this stage they start confronting you instead of keeping the supposedly “team work ” as in the beginning, so my conclusion is that they are only care about their interests , the other day I was in AA to get some info about the procedure to get the driver’s license and there was a guy n front of me talking to the girl over the counter and seemed that she was hanging out with him that she took ages to finish helping him but when was my turn she said after my questions !”here are the papers , read it, it contains all the info you are looking for!!” I got very frustrated!! I was about to tell her , “it is not because it is a Saturday and I am wearing sport shoes ,shorts, cap and looking 23 years old that i am nothing!!” on a daily basis I wear social and formal even though I look so much younger than I am !!! the other day I went to IRD to check if the amount of taxes I was paying monthly was really correct!!! (I pay 2300 taxes a month to NZ govern.) she said you don’t have any right your income is huge!! jesus I got mad with that!!! may I should go to US where people are much nicer, warmer, women are prettier etc……where things really happens

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  50. i lived and worked in new zealand for a relativley short period over a decade ago , i suspect the reason that kiwis dont like americans is because americans are very vocal and assertive about things that are out of order and service in general

    kiwis cannot stand criticism of any kind , they simply dont want to hear it under any circumstance and will freeze you out if you do complain , here is an example of my own past experience

    1 ., while adressing a landlord , my house is freezing = ” stop whinning ”

    2. same again , the water in my shower is cold = ” stop whining ”

    3.to an employer , the brakes dont work on that car you gave me = ” stop whining ”

    4.to an employer , my office manager is a sociopathic control freak who is driving me crazy = ” stop whining ”

    5. to a restaranteur , that steak you served me is not cooked properly = ” stop whining “

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  51. the comment about afrians and Asians cursed is very true and correct about nz. they proactively come and destroy you, such as defaming you, robbing and stealing your property or assets or any outputs/work credits, wrecking your life and sabotaging you in any other ways, driven by unexplainable hate or jealousy. as such it is impossible to remain civil and reason with them or deal with it in a logical legal fashion. it is more like feeding into a bunch of lions in the wild life waiting to be raped and murdered. if and after you’re raped robbed and murdered, if there is anyone that places your case to the judiciary judge, maybe they just hang around and see it as entertainment, then discard the issue and business is as usual until no more sheep and human sheep goes there to be raped.

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  52. I’ve read many of these comments posted here that I find remarkable! I know its been nearly a dozen years since I visited NZ, but I traveled through the North and South Islands extensively, and granted I never became involved in any relationships, I stayed at a couple places for about a month and knew the owner/operator families well and their teen age children. All of them were people I respected and liked very much, with a different, simple lifestyle.

    Their friends were close to them, and treated me like family. I never once got the impression they did not like Americans nor discriminated against any particular group, except they have been lagging in treating their Indigenous people with discrimination about on the scale of hos whites treat non-whites here in the states. I find prejudice deplorable where ever I is and I don’t usually associate with those who are, unless I feel I can change tings for the better through my example.

    I stayed n Hastings and Christchurch most of he time during my vacation and go along wit all the people I met regardless of age or race. Maybe I’m a little naiveté?

    James

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    • Well my friend you were lucky.. right place right time

      Hawkes Bay is a nice place but also a gang region that would likely go unoticed by a visitor but let me assure you even though I do not know of your upbringing.. being a school kid through the 80s – early 90s in Hawkes Bay was not easy for a caucasian kid of small stature.. having to deal with so called indigenous people who you need to do a little more research on… bullying and racial hatred was a part of an average week or weekend out riding our bikes, racists are throughout the world and everyone has an excuse it seems! NZ is a small place.. yeah there are nice people in NZ and a lot in the USA Canada Australia Indonesia but you have to travel further to find that there are nasty corrupt people where all may seem pretty and inocent
      There are terrible people from every region Ive been to.

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  53. hi, i am maori and from the country, and not all of us r bad. yes there are wa#kers who i’d love 2 smack out who my own people but what about the good 1’s out there?? don’t we get a little credit. yeh although people of all nationalities have a different status in life, to me i don’t believe that 1 persons integrity is worth more then another. thats what my father always told. it is what it is and we just have to except that. i am married to an aussie girl and am very much happy. and we met back home. (nz) her family welcomed me into their lives as too my family. we have had our ups and downs from the odd person but i have never let that come between us. i’m sorry to here all this. but just so people know. we are not bad.

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  54. As a Kiwi, the Americans I have meet in person a great, but generally they come from Colorado. So I would say that I like Americans, but I definitely hate their country. Can’t stand anything that America stands for. The kill millions of innocent people all over the world and then try and act like they are the good guys. Look at Iraq!!

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    • this is exactly what people are saying. We as Americans feel judged by many people in this country, based on where we are from. You like Americans but you hate—- HATE? Such a strong word— the country. How much time have you spent there? I lived there for 40 + years and have never seen the whole country. New Zealand could fit into the US just over 36 times. Yet you hate it? All of it?

      I’m not saying we need to be accepted with open arms, but I would like people to meet me and try to get to know me as a person before judging me based on where I’m from.

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  55. Growing up in NZ I always had a pretty good image of America in my mind. I thought America did well to help end WWII and that mean’t a lot to me personally, although I knew America had her issues and problems I thought they were good guys overall. However moving overseas to volunteer with a group of Americans challenged my thinking. It was overall a very difficult experience, I witnessed a lot of internal competition, I was verbally abused, accused of thinking things, manipulated, taken advantage of and looked down on for coming from NZ. The american’s I worked with excluded me from their friendships and made me feel isolated. Along with many other comments they found it unbelievable that NZ’s ate food such as pizza, was a developed nation and thought I was making it up. I was asked if NZ’s use lambs blood to clean things which is an insulting question to ask someone. They didn’t know where NZ or Australia was and made belittling comments about it. I was spoken down to as if I (along with all NZ’s) was a second class citizen. I was excluded from group photo’s and they took all the credit for my work and the success of the projects I worked on. I was criticized and humiliated publicly for my facial expressions and misunderstood for saying things such as ‘that’s ok’ and ‘i don’t mind’. In the end I felt like I could hardly breathe at work, I always tried to make my face as blank as possible and never knew what to say or when the next verbal outburst against me would occur. It was so stressful for me that I had to quit. As much as I believed in the cause they stood for I couldn’t take it anymore and continue to offer my volunteer services. I must admit that because of the level of devastation this experience caused me I have felt more resentful towards Americans than before, however I must say this is only because of the ones I met, not because of growing up in NZ. I have heard american jokes in NZ along with Irish jokes, blonde jokes and Aussie jokes – and i always took them just as they were – jokes. It was actually meeting Americans and encountering first hand arrogance and abuse that affected me. I have since met other very nice considerate Americans who don’t view everything in life as a competition or opportunity to gain power and use others and so I do extend grace to the rest of the American population who would never treat another in the way I experienced. I hope the same grace can be extended to Kiwis. I think if an american presents themselves as just ordinary nice people (without hype, arrogance or competition) then most kiwis will just accept them as they are. That’s how i feel about it anyway and in-spite of my experiences I still try to give American’s the opportunity to present themselves before judging them. I would never be rude to an American in the ways described in postings above, it would be unthinkable and I have never witnessed such in NZ, I am truly sorry if these things have occurred and extend my sincere apologies to anyone who has received any such mistreatment. I know what this mistreatment feels like and don’t wish it on anyone.

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    • Just exactly was the make-up and purpose of this “group?” The United States is a very, very large nation, and it has people from all walks of life from all over the world; it seems you just happened to get stuck with a few unpleasant wretches. Your story reminds me of a clique of self-reinforcing “mean girls” that need adult supervision. Sorry, it happened, but you can generally go another neighborhood, town, city or state in the US and find a very different universe.

      There are many unhappy people in the US nowadays from more than two decades of corrosive, divisive politics and predatory economics. As a result, many people in the US have become hyper-competitive, high-strung and, at times, explosive. Many people are forced to live a type-A lifestyle but with a thin skin, due to the increasing societal pressures from government, police, war, and economic decline.

      The part about “excluding you” sounds odd – you can usually find common ground to connect. Americans tend to be individualists, and if they “pick on you” it is, despite all indications to the contrary, it is an interpersonal competitive thing, not a racial/ethnic put-down. Did you contribute to the problem by droning on about New Zealand? Sorry, not meant to offend, but I notice that quite frequently.

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      • @Calvin “Did you contribute to the problem by droning on about New Zealand? Sorry, not meant to offend, but I notice that quite frequently”. Yes I noticed this too, how much better everything is in New Zealand and criticisms of America. They always seem surprised when anyone takes umbrage. This is because they are brought up with no manners and taught that what they say is simply the truth and can be stated to any innocent and undeserving person rather than Kiwi cultural brainwashing. It’s possible that comments and an attitude such as you and I have typically experienced in NZ triggered the “competitiveness” as Americans tried to show her that they actually have some expertise in a subject and didn’t appreciate the arrogance. They often seem unaware of their own arrogance. In return, they say the same of us. Funny.

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  56. I certainly feel terrible you had so much trouble with what seems like a rotten crowd of Yanks. It is amazing that on what seems like a helping, volunteer project that they treated you so badly. And on behalf of my fellow countrypeople, I apologize! Just like Sonya said above, American accents do bother Kiwis sometimes. They seem to react viscerally to them. In New Zealand, I was always irritated by the smugness of Kiwi facial expressions. They seemed to sneer a lot and often came out with graceless, sarcastic comments about America and acted like they always knew better ,and Americans were idiots or something. Maybe not intending to offend. But it was a real turnoff. Surprising how many cultural differences can exist between two peoples who both speak English.

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  57. @Kelly – You’re a “Hater” – that says a lot about you and others like you. Sadly, I encounter people like you (and worse) every day in New Zealand. You say you like Americans as individuals, but you hate our country – how does that work? Are you constantly looking for the slightest indication in any American of something you disapprove of?

    When you say you hate America as a country – what does that mean, exactly? Do you hate everything the US stands for? Do you even know much about the US? Have you ever lived there? What makes you think that New Zealand is so great compared to the US, or for that matter, any other nation? Where did you learn to hate the US?

    Fyi, MILLIONS protested in America against the second Gulf War. Most Americans opposed the war and still do. Compare that to New Zealand where just last week the Prime Minister declared it’s OK to spy on the citizens with the state intelligence services and hardly anyone bats an eye. Wait, there was a major protest in Wellington last week … of 50 people? In the US, there have been numerous lawsuits, protests, and political opposition. In New Zealand, what exactly do kiwis do? They blame America for everything, that’s what.

    New Zealand has lived peacefully for most of its existence as a “colony” of the UK, and under the military and economic protection of the US, the UK and Australia. You should be grateful.

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    • Most Americans opposed the war and still do. Compare that to New Zealand where just last week the Prime Minister declared it’s OK to spy on the citizens with the state intelligence services and hardly anyone bats an eye.
      I figure they spy on their citizens the moment they put intelligence agents at university.
      They’ve just been kind enough to make it official.

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  58. whether people admit it or not, thats so called spying and intelligence was how i felt how things have happened back in the 95 how two faced people are and how people cheat and having evil people in positions of power for sensitive roles involving communications, commerce etc. of course in theory having monitoring is justified under the name of safety and security. however, in reality, the people dont practise what they preach, and the people who accuse others of being a security threat are actually the thieves that threaten the lives of others themselves. who are in the position to claim they have ulmost correct judgement of whats true or false, whats right or wrong, when they could well be brainwashed, confused individuals that hold biased thinking, so distorted they only realise they made the wrong decision or accusation years down the road but it was already too late?

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  59. My my, what to think? My impression, and the impression of my fellow USA friends is that New Zealand is a beautiful and scenic nation full of friendly people. I’ve never heard anyone here in the USA say anything bad about New Zealand or the population there, ever, and I am not a young person by any means. Governments worldwide are bowing to the influences of global oligarchs and becoming corrupt. Mine is no exception, but I am not so ignorant as to believe the populations in other nations is responsible for the actions of their governments ran amok. Most people worldwide simply want to live in peace and have a safe home to raise their families. When we treat others in manner other than we wish to be treated, it does not say good things for our character. When we choose to believe the sensationalism and propaganda that is designed to control us and separate us, we then fail to behave as civilized human beings, and choose ignorance as a lifestyle. I have always welcomed those from around the globe as a distant neighbor and a friend. I would ask, why can’t every stranger we meet be seen as a friend we haven’t met yet? What am I seeing here? It appears my perceptions of NZ were in error. Perhaps a sizable segment of the NZ population has some growing up to do?

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    • No, your original assumptions were indeed correct. You can’t use the tiny number of comments on this website as a significant indicator that the majority of NZ’s population sucks.

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    • Bob, I’ve been here for two years. I have yet to make a Kiwi friend, and it’s not for lack of trying. I have made friends with many other ex-pats so I don’t think it’s something that I’m doing.

      I’ve been told by Kiwis that “Americans are aggressive, so I’m afraid to piss you off” Therefore I’m not going to talk to you. I’ve been told that we’re arrogant, loud, obnoxious know-it alls. Which I thought was funny because the person who told me that was acting exactly like that!!! I’ve been called dirty names for being an American. One guy at a pub was harassing me to go home with him one night and I kept on telling him no- that I was married and if he talked to me again I’d ask the bartender to ask him to leave as I was feeling threatened. He replied that all American girls are sluts and cheat on their partners, and I didn’t need to involved the bartender, but I needed to lighten up.

      That’s another thing, whenever you stand up for yourself you’re told to “lighten up” and “get a sense of humor”…. ????

      I was also told that I was too friendly and I smiled too much and that nobody here would trust me because of that. I am a very friendly person by nature. I love to meet new people, but it seems that the only people who would like to meet me are other ex-pats from other countries.

      I have been at my husband’s work functions and accidentally walked in on a group telling anti-American jokes. They hushed up very quickly and disbanded. If they were just telling them in fun, they wouldn’t have acted like they were “caught” doing something they shouldn’t have been.

      I don’t know, when we came here years ago as tourists, people were so friendly. Now, I feel like I’m a dirty bug that someone wants to step on!

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  60. As a Kiwi traveller, I haven’t had much issues with Americans that I have met travelling (very good conversationalists), or any other travellers from other countries for that matter. That being said I think every country has their share of closed minded people, it’s the ones you find when you’re deep in a foreign country (US, NZ or other) which are the ones that don’t leave the gold fish bowl world of a small town they’ve lived in all their life which tend to have really narrow minded views.

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  61. You want to know what really sucks? There was a 2 million person march on Washington with signs saying “Impeach Obama” and others with him painted like the Joker after his national policies had driven the country into more serious debt and his promise to take the country out of Iraq was not delivered on. What was shown in the national news? President Obama took a goodwill trip to the Midwest to read to school children. It was barely covered by any other media outlet.

    In my opinion, the world sees what the media portrays and the media does NOT represent the millions upon millions of Americans who do strongly disagree with the foreign policies in action in the last many decades, who are disgusted by them, who do speak out and protest, who do write to their representatives and do vote. Also in my opinion, an individual American’s vote doesn’t mean very much when you factor in the way it is tabulated. So millions of people are unfairly typecast as aggressive, domineering, unintelligent, self-absorbed fat people who believe it is their birthright to lay claim on the whole Earth and order every other country around. I’m sorry but I am not like that and the vast majority of people I know are not like that.

    I happen to be an American, and I’m living and working in Auckland. I have been involved with my Kiwi for about four years now. I’m not loud, I’m not obese, I have a genius IQ but I don’t go around shoving that in people’s faces, I try to be as nice to people as I’d want them to be to be, etc. I’ve had two separate people tell me in the year I’ve been here, both older Kiwi men, that I should go back to America because they hate Americans. It really shocked me. What’s more, I’m Native American, as in Native American Indian. To pigeon-hole me as a white, arrogant dominator because I’m American is really narrow-minded. My entire race was nearly wiped off the face of the planet so I know exactly what it means to be oppressed and I would never oppress anyone nor condone any politician or group which did seek to oppress people. I voted for people who had sane foreign policies involving the US staying at home and minding our own business.

    America is also HUGE. The entire population of New Zealand could fit into New York City with a little bit of room left over. When you’re talking about so many millions of people, it is impossible to make such broad generalities with any hope for accuracy! Americans are African American, Hispanic, White, Asian, and Native American, in the main, probably in that order, with many other European immigrants living and working in the country. There are also plenty of Canadians who come over the boarder to live and work. You’re talking about such a mixing of nationalities and cultures that from city to city, state to state, the differences in opinions on politics and economics and world affairs varies vastly. To say all Americans agree on these matters is to be ignorant of what (and who) America is truly comprised of.

    Like I say, I’m disgusted by many of our actions abroad, the Vietnam War being an example. But you know what? I do blame the two-party political system which basically hijacked the country because I know many Vietnam War veterans, one of them my step-father who was just a kid out of school when he was forcefully drafted. You were either drafted into the war or you faced jail and destitution. The protests were widespread across the country and the protesters often beaten by the police and gassed. One man I worked with who was a Vietnam Veteran had been exposed to Agent Orange and seriously ill ever since. There were similarly many protests to the Iraqi war, media coverage was VERY scant. Many kids I went to school with from kindergarten all the way up through high school graduation enlisted in the army as a way to get a college education and went over to fight in the middle east and many come back disgusted because what they’d been told they were fighting for was not the case at all.

    My point is that you can’t say all Americans are this or all Americans are that. You need to actually pinpoint exactly who you’re talking about. For me, I’ve narrowed it down to the two-party political system which goes something like this: Republican party gives a candidate to the people to vote for, Democratic party gives a candidate to the people to vote for, both are usually worse than the Devil and there’s often a few quite good choices from other parties like Libertarian (which believes in running the country on the Constitution, a sane document that is actually the exact opposite of the way our country has been acting for the last two decades or so, on the “world stage”) but it is posed as though to vote for any other party is to “waste” your vote because most people are going to vote Republican or Democrat. Then, when the votes are all tallied, the electoral college votes and can tip it either way. It is rigged. The President you see serving in office and causing mayhem is not the one that the majority of American people want, it COULDN’T be, because many don’t vote because they don’t like the candidates.

    I’m not “right” all the time, but I do know that I do not resemble the type of American you’ve described in your bullet points and very few people that I know or even know of back in America are like that.

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  62. We had problems being pigeonholed in New Zealand too. I couldn’t believe the number of total strangers who took issue with us over the U.S. government’s stupid policy decisions. As if we had personally rubberstamped them. Glad to be home now, as imperfect as it is, and out of New Zealand. You can go to the end of the world and not escape stupidity. You’ll just lighten your pockets in so doing.

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  63. English Physicist Brian Cox during a TED conference on the CERN Supercollider:

    “Now, I don’t think [Ernest Rutherford] meant to insult the rest of science, although he was from New Zealand, so it’s possible.”

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  64. I find it strange that there are so many comments here ragging on NZers all being narrow-minded, racist, ignorant, money-grubbing morons who hate everyone and everything, when you don’t seem to realise that the original post is not at ALL representative of the average NZer.

    Learn to take things with a grain of salt. Be a critical thinker. The original OP obviously has had bad encounters with americans and has taken to the internet to vent their frustrations.

    Don’t assume that that poster is the mouthpiece for NZ because it makes you look silly when you respond with vitriol. In fact, it makes you no better than that original poster.

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  65. You’ve actually hit on THE BIG issue here. The NZ news media, led by The New Zealand Herald and MediaWorks and TVNZ (and all controlled by Australian unions) are the mouthpiece for New Zealand. And, not coincidentally, they are the ones driving the Anti-American attitudes in NZ. I’ve been watching it closely for the past 5 years. When they stir people up, the tide of hate rises drastically.

    Their handling of the Kim Dot Com debacle is entirely driven by their hatred of the USA. They’ve turned a major criminal and internet pirate into a kind of fat billionaire Robin Hood, who robs from the “rich” studios (putting thousands of people in the USA out of work) and gives presents to the news media. Then they continue to spread outright lies about Peter Jackson’s productions, even though The Hobbit was propping up the entire economy for nearly three years. Peter Jackson is painted as a collaborator with the evil Americans.

    Part of it comes down to this: It’s easy to get advertising money by bashing the USA. Raise some new issue about America, or air a one-sided documentary about inbred hicks or gun-totin grannies in the USA and ratings go up.

    Add to that the fact that Australian unions (who have their hands in every media outlet in New Zealand) want Peter Jackson’s non-union productions to fail, not just because they are non-union, but because they are competing for the same few productions. If no movies come to NZ to shoot and post, they’ll go to Melbourne instead. America-bashing is the fastest way to attack Sir Peter.

    And the saddest thing is that the Kiwis have no idea that they (and their media) are being manipulated by Australians. The Ozzy unions have, very cynically, decided to pander to NZers prejudices, hatreds, and general small-mindedness….and it always works.

    I’m not saying that the Australians caused it. Clearly there was an underlying xenophobic tall-poppy American-hating streak in this society to begin with. The Ozzies have simply fanned that flame to a blaze here. And it’s working. The NZ economy is swirling around the toilet on it’s way back down again. I don’t know if the NZ Herald or John Campbell or Nick D have any idea how much they hurt this little country, but I suspect they don’t care.

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  66. ” I think if an american presents themselves as just ordinary nice people (without hype, arrogance or competition) then most kiwis will just accept them as they are.” ” I would never be rude to an American in the ways described in postings above, it would be unthinkable and I have never witnessed such in NZ.”

    Wishforpeace I’m glad that you’d never be rude, that is really not on. Unfortunately, this sentiment is not shared by, what seems to me, a majority of your countrymen.
    I’m an American, living in NZ [small region=50k] for the past 7 years. Granted, not every Kiwi is rude, yet I’m taken aback, nearly on a daily basis at some of the comments, gestures, and attitudes for no particular reason. An accent is no good reason, if it were, get a Kiwi to say “deck”. The whole shifting vowel thing.
    Sorry that you got a rough go, harden up, she’ll be right. That’s what I’m told to do here.

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  67. Im a kiwi who was born and bred and having been reading all these comments (randomly came across this site) and i am shocked of what some people on here experienced. I never thought of us as being racist and against foreigners. I have been to America and loved it and if i see or hear an american i always want talk to them about their country (in a good way)

    Yes we suffer from small poppy syndrome but i think Australia is alot more racist than us we never have had any race riots anything like that before

    There are small minded kiwis yes just like the would be small minded Americans in the southern states…..having lived in other countries sometimes when you are treated badly the first thing comes to mind is “its because of my race, accent or ethnic origin” without rational thought.

    The best place for newly settled migrants (yes i dont like the world immigrant sounds unwelcoming) would be Queenstown prob more foreigners there than kiwis.

    I am half white and half Maori and never experiened racism so i cant see a mid western white american being hated on either

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    • Shannon :
      Im a kiwi who was born and bred and having been reading all these comments (randomly came across this site) and i am shocked of what some people on here experienced. I never thought of us as being racist and against foreigners. I have been to America and loved it and if i see or hear an american i always want talk to them about their country (in a good way)
      Yes we suffer from small poppy syndrome but i think Australia is alot more racist than us we never have had any race riots anything like that before
      There are small minded kiwis yes just like the would be small minded Americans in the southern states…..having lived in other countries sometimes when you are treated badly the first thing comes to mind is “its because of my race, accent or ethnic origin” without rational thought.
      The best place for newly settled migrants (yes i dont like the world immigrant sounds unwelcoming) would be Queenstown prob more foreigners there than kiwis.
      I am half white and half Maori and never experiened racism so i cant see a mid western white american being hated on either

      Hi Shannon

      I know a lot of really lovely New Zealanders who are very much not racist – some even marched against the tour of the Springboks, and the racist aparthiet government in South Africa, during the early 1980s. Or possibly 1979. Which is amazing, and brave and Kiwis like this are the part of the society I love and admire the most. But there are also many NZers who think in stereotypes – like Linda Herrick just the other day in the newspaper (sorry, can’t remember exactly where) who heard an American tourist act like a jerk while on holiday somewhere so Linda took international charge and marched over to her, and tore a strip off her for drone attacks by the USA. (?) Which is odd, as the obnoxious American was throwing a tantrum about breakfast.

      There are NZers who are just horrible if they think you are American. I’m Canadian and I’ve copped quite a bit of it… then they apologize when they find I’m Canadian, but jeez, what difference does it make? It’s nice that NZers don’t want to insult me as much as if I were American, but it still feels… uh… bracing, despite the inevitable apology. I would hate to cop all the nasty comments and bitchy digs about my country’s foreign policy.

      And NZers who profess to hate the USA are always the ones who are the most opinionated about the society… even when they know nothing and understand nothing about it. They’re always blathering on about the “presidential election”, as though the US has the only president on the planet. Or they’re aping the styles, cocktails and language of Mad Men, thinking it the epitome of cool. It’s weird.

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      • The article you’re referring to is this one http://www.nzherald.co.nz/linda-herrick/news/article.cfm?a_id=107&objectid=10894254

        …I lost the plot. “Oh, why don’t you just drop a few drones on them? That’ll sort them out!” That was bad behaviour on my part but oh, it felt good.

        Later that day I was in a crowded vaporetto, surrounded by teenage exchange students foghorning away. It was their last day in Venice before they went to London. One of them was broadcasting how excited she was to be going to a country that had Starbucks – “Oh, I love Starbucks!” bellowed another.”Yes, and they speak English there, too!”

        I regret to report: they were Americans.

        Also read the comments section of the above link, which is mysteriously closed now. There are some very interesting observations made there, e.g.

        nzpgc “I’ve been living in california for the past 25 yrs and one thing i notice whenever i’m back in NZ is the amount of American bashing that goes on. It was really quite a shock at first and i searched for reasons why we might feel justified doing so. I concluded that a lot of it was carry-over from my fathers era when the US troops were deployed to NZ waiting for further postings but all the time enjoying a warm bed, good food and no shortage of female interest while our men had been been at war for 2-3 years already and doing it hard. I can understand that might cause some resentment.
        Whats your excuse Linda?”

        ABryce “Oh, for a quiet American”. As an American living in Auckland, I’m quite used to people making fun of the U.S. and how obnoxious Americans act while travelling, so I’m not sure why I found this article so offensive.

        ‘Stereotypes die hard while abroad’, writes Linda Herrick. Yes, I have been embarrassed by a few Americans I’ve met here, but it’s the same with every country. My boyfriend is from the U.K., and he’s also been embarrassed by his countrymen. I could also write an article, but focusing on all the embarrassing things about Kiwis.

        The only reason “Stereotypes die hard” is because people like you can’t let them go! Instead of writing an article focusing on the good parts of your trip to Venice, you come home and write a negative article which further perpetuates the stereotype. People can be annoying, no matter where they come from.

        In the words of your own Stan Walker-“Yous done really well”.

        -“Stoopid” American

        Rebecca “This article is disturbing. Linda Herrick, I’m shocked that you have been published, and shocked that you hold so much hate towards a group of people. I’m not sure why this needed to be written in the first place? It isn’t news, it’s simply an appalling opinion from a very prejudiced and nasty person.”

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      • “And NZers who profess to hate the USA are always the ones who are the most opinionated about the society… even when they know nothing and understand nothing about it. They’re always blathering on about the “presidential election”, as though the US has the only president on the planet. Or they’re aping the styles, cocktails and language of Mad Men, thinking it the epitome of cool. It’s weird.”

        I second this. This was totally my experience. Kiwis who write in to sites like this and say “I have witnessed none of this, so therefore you must be ‘doing something’ to attract the behavior” are exhibiting yet another of the traits of their culture. Know-it-all Kiwis who exhibit the most grasping sort of consumerist behavior will hold forth on capitalist Yankee ills etc. and most stubbornly blinkered and jingoistic about how great a place NZ is, will blather about misplaced American patriotism. Not every Kiwi did this. But a much higher percentage of people that one would randomly encounter in a country did this, than in other places we have lived in around the world.

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        • I agree with this, but to live in the culture you just have
          to let it be and see it as their own narrowminded-ness cause that
          what it is, nothing else. You are not going to change the culture,
          esp. a culture that has no self-reflection, awareness and is in
          denial about their own issues. US is not that much different to be
          frank. And the NZ Gov, Aus Gov, UK Gov and USA Gov have tight
          relations. Actually NZ shares secret info. with the Crown and US.
          All this is about money issues- people feeling inferior, being
          non-crossed cultured and not very educated. It takes 3 years to get
          a Bachelors in NZ, another 1-2 years to get a Masters and only 3
          years more to get a PhD vs. 4 years to get a Bachelors in USA,
          another 3 years to get a Masters and another 4-5 years to get a
          PhD. 8 years max for a PhD in NZ vs. 11-12 years in US to get a
          PhD. Tells you something about their education and research
          system… It is much cheaper than US but the guidance very poor
          overall unless you get lucky and most educational/tertiary
          institutions are highly disorganized. You get a grade for your
          Masters or PhD- coursework is generally not required so your only
          grade will be from your thesis or dissertation. If your marker is
          bad and you get a low mark from them then you are screwed
          and good luck trying to get a re-exam. They allow you to pay for
          editors which I am not sure is allowed in US upper education
          system. If you are a gay man or hetero-flexible woman, it is very
          easy to sleep up your grade I have heard and there are little
          ethics regarding this in the education system. Check out Clayton
          Weatherston who killed his young student-girlfriend at Otago
          University. After this Otago made it look like they were going to
          make it a rule that professors and students not sleep together…
          Anyway never went far. I was hit up by 2 men and a woman professor while doing my Masters. If I slept with either of my supervisors, they would have helped me more…. Cheers as they say.

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  68. 8 years living in NZ as a woman… My experience is that
    heterosexual females are very intimidated by foreign women- whether
    US or not. They have a chip on their shoulder. NZ is not a
    sophisticated culture and most the lineages of people who live in
    NZ are of working class Scottish, Irish, English descent. If you
    are an American man here you got it made because Kiwi women give it
    easy and they like foreign men. Anyway this is a generalization but
    after being here for a long time I would say it has some truth. NZ
    women think everyone else has got it better but many define
    themselves with how much money they have or can save which is
    ironic because often times they are more materialistic and frugal
    than most Americans. Also people are generally emotionally
    repressed in NZ- thanks to being of primarily of English stalk, so
    they can be passive aggressive. I truly think it is how you carry
    yourself- if you have a chip on your shoulder you will be a victim.
    South Island is racists and sexists much more than the North
    Island. Maori are also very different depending on where they grew
    up. The problem you have in NZ as you have any in some places in
    the States is that people can be narrow-minded and insular. Many
    NZers are not very traveled nor are they crossed-culture but I
    found the same thing when living in Montana and Texas. Also do not
    take what Kiwis say personally- they are just as critical and
    negative about Aussies and the English as well as each other. The
    Tall Poppy Syndrome is everywhere but the best thing to realize is
    that when people are narrow it is because they are insecure
    themselves. If you are a secure person, you can make it most places
    and do not allow the narrow thoughts of others influence you. There
    are many opportunities in NZ to advance in the market. Money talks
    so if you have money or can make money you will be respected. Be
    yourself and who cares what the average Kiwi thinks- it is their
    problem, not yours and because there are less people here, the bad
    ones stand out but there are good people too. I only warn foreign
    women to tread very carefully in NZ if you are not married because
    Kiwi women can be abusive and undermine you out of their own
    inferior complexes. If you are a woman and interview for jobs with
    women, your chances will be much slim in getting the job and if you
    are beautiful even less so… Take a look at Helen Clarke and you
    will understand what I mean… There are only a handful of Rachel
    Hunter types here. The other thing I wish to say is that Healthcare
    is SH**, so if you can save and take yourself to another country
    for surgery or for dentistry you will be better off. Both I have
    found are not very good. But there are foreigners practicing
    medicine and dentistry here. My other warning to Americans is that
    unless you are conservative, it will be hard because as I said
    people are emotionally repressed here and drink to let out their
    feelings- they are not talkers generally and do not talk things out
    like North Americans in general. There is also no influences of
    Latin culture so that is another issue that arises to the emotional
    repression that is not so much a part of North American culture.
    Some Maoris are really cool so do not let the Maori prejudice get
    to you because they are people too and sometimes they can treat you
    better than the Pakehas. Some Aussies are really cool too and more
    open than the average Kiwi. And if you are needing beautiful sexy
    women while living in NZ, well the flights to Aus are cheap
    🙂

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    • Interestingly Kiwi women are ranked as the most promiscuous in the developed world. A study of the number of sexual partners an individual had over their lifetime carried out by Durex indicated that Kiwi women had more sexual partners than anywhere else. In fact, New Zealand was the ONLY country in the survey where the women had more sexual partners than the men.

      The results of the Durex survey were then backed up by findings of research done at Massey University, and a TVNZ Sunday Investigation which revealed that New Zealanders don’t date, they just get drunk and have sex with strangers.

      Part 1

      Part 2

      The situation has got so bad that New Zealand is now a country where foreign men come to for a ‘Sex Holiday.’

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      • This sounds about right. New Zealand women are extremely forward and easy to bed. Furthermore, the ratio of young women to young men amongst the 25-64 demographic is about 100 to 89, so men have the upper hand.

        I do not think highly of casual sex, but any males interested in casual sleeping will find it very easy in New Zealand. This will be even more so if you dress well and are in good shape.

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      • I forgot to mention that a very attractive recruiter, who was married and knew I was married, invited me to coffee after I proposed a meeting to discuss changing jobs. After the meeting, she kissed me on the lips. I love my wife and I am faithful, so it was not something that I would do.

        I also met with a Kiwi woman for a business/social coffee. I brought my wife along, who told me afterward how angry she was because of this woman’s brazen flirting.

        Before I was married, I dated a woman who told me she was married, but wanted to have an affair with me. I declined because it had the potential to become too messy.

        New Zealand is a good place for a foreigner to go on a working holiday visa and find plenty of women with whom they can have casual sex. Just make sure not to contract any STDs.

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        • From our Health Wiki:

          “The Gisborne region is “clap capital” of the North Island, according to latest figures on sexually transmitted diseases, with Hawke’s Bay not far behind.

          The highest overall annualised rate – per 100,000 population – of gonorrhoea was reported for Tairawhiti DHB (314) followed by Hawke’s Bay DHB (123). Over 60 percent of the positive patients were aged 15- to 24-years, with the highest incidence in the 20- to 24-age group for men and the 15- to 19-year age group for women.”

          source

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    • Whoa! I’m an American living in Australia and I can state with confidence that the anti-American sentiment is at least as strong in Australia as it is in NZ. In fact, I’d say that my experiences in NZ were pretty good and that the people are more friendly in NZ than Aus. The negative experiences that people have written about strike very close to home for me.

      This place was paradise 20 years ago and a wonderful place to live. Now it’s an unbelievably expensive place with horrible attitude and a big traffic problem.

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  69. To all kiwis who want to rip on Americans because of it’s foreign policy…just remember, your Prime Minister is a lap dog to any monied interest that flashes before his eyes..so you too are directly involved like it or not…

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    • That is very true what you say and he is a banker and supports america’s private banking system as it rips off many people and contributes to the slave system- there are no banks in NZ like the Bank of North Dakota and yet Kiwis think their banking system is good (ran by Aussies btw)… Their National Surveillance system collects data and hands it over to US Gov- so when the are anti-US Gov it seems strange as they allow their own gov to share info with US intelligence and support Key in doing so…

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      • I wouldn’t agree that the Kiwis support John Key and his national surveillance system that collects data and hands it over to the US government – they are just too lazy and apathetic to do anything about it.

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        • This may be true, New Zealanders are normally private people who don’t like others knowing their business.

          Strange isn’t it how John Key kicked up an almighty stink over the teapot tape

          Then he allowed his own country’s privacy to be shipped offshore to the US.

          Guess everything has a price, right?

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  70. Don’t tell them that! The Hobbit is the only thing that saved their economy the last few years. And they already believe that America is bullying them into all kinds of things. I’ve had so many bitter, angry, nasty Kiwis going on about how we Americans are always calling the shots and that they are sick of us. When the next election comes, they’ll vote out National and vote in Labour, all on a platform of anti-American rhetoric, duly amplified by The Herald. Then they’ll repeal the “Hobbit Law” and none of us Americans will be able to get work. Then we’ll be stranded here. Do not incite these backwards idiots against us. They’ll destroy their own economy out of spite, just to get at us.

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    • Arguably the biggest split between the Kiwis and Americans was unnecessarily instigated by David Lange. The Kiwis manufactured a crisis and they act like they were the victims. All in the name of the moral superiority that they lord over us while being simultaneously protected by the US’s control of the Pacific since WW2.

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      • Trudat, Seppo! I think we should also make a point of remembering that the “oppressive” ANZUS Treaty that was at the centre of the Lange’s crisis was drafted by NZ, not by American authorities. They drafted it because during the Eisenhower administration the Kiwis didn’t trust America enough to participate in the treaty that Australia had already signed. So all that rhetoric that David Lange spouted about America being “as oppressive as the totalitarian regimes which we claim to oppose” was based on his reading of a Kiwi contract. Cute huh? And this is the proud defining moment of their nationalism.

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  71. Even the academic specialists on racism in NZ does not know the differences between cultural racism and racism. The former is based on the culture you come from whether American, Maori, Pacific Island, Italian, Japanese, etc… The latter is based on your skin colour-complexion or appearance, which could include a physical handicap or disability that is noticeable- even such things as wearing glasses or looking ugly or low class. NZ does more cultural discrimination than anything else. My friend who is Hispanic from Los Angeles does not get discriminated against in NZ for being American at all- she looks totally Mexican but speaks with a West Coast accent. However, I do, being fair-skinned and having an East European appearance, especially with a N. American accent. So although cultural discrimination is more common, your appearance still plays a part of it. I have no problem telling people I am American… I do not want to lie about it and tell them I am Canadian. I do not like lying and why should I lie- do Kiwis expect to represent themselves as Aussies overseas to be accepted? Forget it! so why should I. When a person is raised in a culture and perhaps does not discriminate, they do not recognize discrimination and believe that it does not exist- it is the past. Would Maori tell you it is all in the past?…. this discrimination thing. Everyday I hear about Maori culture and people refer to the movie the ‘Once Were Warriors’ and say that is Maori culture: the” f-u b***** cook me some eggs line” is a commonly referred to among Pakeha. However, I wish to say that I lived next door to a Pakeha who had a Maori girlfriend and I heard him beat her up from time-to-time, so don’t say it is all in Maori culture because it isn’t and many Pakehas treat others very poorly. Blame POM culture for this- that is who you should blame really. Just look at the customer service in NZ and lack of empathetic attitudes regarding human rights in NZ and you will understand what I am talking about…. I get better customer service from the Asians in NZ than I do from the Pakeha culture… If Maoris did not put up a stink about how they get treated, we would even be worse-off here. To be truthful, NZ is bi-cultural and not multi-cultural at all. Everything is done the Pakeha way- everything and that is why Maoris have put up a stink but many of them are re-acting out the Pakeha system because they do not know any differently.

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  72. i’m a black from the pacific ,kiwis( Pakehas) are bad.They are racist cos they haven’t been to america to experience other culures..bt maoris are cool and rspectable to us black americans….i actually dislike kiwis much cos they stick to themselves

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  73. I am an American who has lived abroad for many years now, and can wholeheartedly assure you that I have seen a variety of behaviors and attitudes exhibited people from many different places.

    Do you agree with every single one of your governments policies? Do you feel 100% that they represent you and your beliefs? Shall I judge you based on those in broad sweeping statement?

    You don’t have any overweight/uneducated/hateful people?

    I must make a point to visit this perfect Utopia from whence such scathing judgement issues so freely.

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  74. This is all rubbish. Younger generation is anti-american. Yeah, bullcrap! Majority of NZ younger generation watch American TV shows and movies, listen to American music and follow American fashion trends. You all need to speak for yourselves because I for one, don’t dislike Americans and won’t generalize a whole country if I met an American I don’t like. I hate seeing comments stating that all New Zealanders hate Americans. We are a very multi-cultural country and I find America interesting because we are so different to them. I am sure many people think the same. To also point out, we dont hate Australia. Australia and New Zealand are very competitive when it comes to sports which is why we come off as hating them. There are people that don’t like Aussie but don’t generalize. Many New Zealanders don’t really care about other countries when it comes to hate. We are surrounded by so many nationalities. Why some New Zealanders hate the British? We don’t hate British people or people that live in Britain. We hate what the British use to do and we are meaning the Government. Why? Because of all the shit they did in the past and even though it is in the past. They did alot of shit that is to hard to forgive and forget. And not only to us but to other countries as well like India and Ireland for examples. New Zealand are empathetic people but we are not going to hate on British people because of the mistakes their country did decades ago, No. Many of you guys misunderstood and if you knew the background to what we were talking about you would understand.

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    • Gee, a lot of generalisations there Tee, not least about NZ youth. Does that generation watch TV any more?

      You forgot to add what the Romans ever did for you.

      Of course the British have suffered countless invasions over the centuries, none of which added a shred of cultural heritage or advanced civilisation in any way. Life was so much simpler back in the Stone Age aye?

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    • @Tee:
      We are a very multi-cultural country and I find America interesting because we are so different to them.
      Yes, for starters you don’t have a month in the calendar dedicated towards the Asian people who helped build your country. Multi-cultural indeed.
      Not to mention your street names are either in English or Maori or both. Multi-cultural indeed.

      Many New Zealanders don’t really care about other countries when it comes to hate.
      So what was that against Fiji? Methinks it was sanctions?
      Do you put sanctions on people you are allied to or those you have nothing against?

      We hate what the British use to do and we are meaning the Government. Why? Because of all the shit they did in the past and even though it is in the past. They did alot of shit that is to hard to forgive and forget.
      Google returns: No results found for “British oppression of new zealand”.
      Perhaps you are referring to Britain joining the EEC and then taking less of your exports — but in return, they sold less to you too. Economic decisions are hardly “oppression”.

      What you wrote reminds me of a famous scene from the Adam Sandler movie “Billy Madison”:

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    • Multicultural in what sense?Auckland has many cultures, yet at the same time it’s segregated.
      NZ has its fair share of skeletons too. When Samoa was under NZ rule, they split up Chinese farmers from their wives, and deported them back to China. Also, look up ‘Black Saturday.’
      My grandmother had negative experiences with the Kiwis during this time.
      As for the anti-American sentiment here, the NZ media beat it like a dead horse. It’s almost like a “Two Minutes Hate” segment.
      (Hence the reason why I rarely watch the news here)

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  75. As a Kiwi hotel owner & operator in New Zealand for the last 15 years. I was trained in Hawaii and have been in the hospitality business for 30 years . Lived in 3 different countries and frequently travel myself . I have had an opportunity to witness and experience how different nationalities of people behave while staying at my lodge.My hotel was newly built 15 years ago . It is well maintained , 4 star plus Qualmark rated , absolute beachfront, priced above average with luxury amenities and high standard of service and care . We also have a 5 star rating on Trip Advisor . A very well run business with good reviews . My clientele base is about 60% international & 40% domestic( hopefully 70-30 one day ) .What I have discovered based on my personal experience was surprising even to me .
    Americans are not at all loud ( Kiwis are the loud ones!) , they are curious, polite , well spoken & educated and very accommodating .They make quality guest .
    I also had many people from Sri Lanka and I have to say they were some of my very best guest .Friendly and also well educated . The Germans , Swiss ,Swedish , Dutch French, Austrians , were independent , very very quiet and sophisticated .Spanish and Italians always invited you to come and stay with them ( did take up an offer once while in Rome ). I did not have many from the Asian community but I have had Chinese , Japanese and Koreans . The Chinese were also good guest . They did have busy schedules so they did not use the facility much . Koreans were very family orientated and they would come in large groups and prepare meals in the apartment . Very polite and friendly .Left the place immaculate . And the Japanese are very well mannered quiet and lovely .
    So now I will get to Kiwis . The worst guest by a large margin . And I am not the only one that feels that way . Kiwis were so hard on the appliances . I have had to replace toasters, microwave oven, light fixtures , refrigerator shelving due to misused. They are dirty and leave an enormous mess behind . You think, do these people live like this ? Kiwis also seem to leave lights on when they are out for the day . Broken glass and plate-ware are part of normal wear and tear but what I experienced from Kiwi’s is way above normal . Kiwis are also the most dishonest . Would give credit card details from cards that were not valid , stole towels , cutlery , DVDs , books , linen . They were loud , would party late into the night and disturb other guest ,even some would actually smoke pot in the apartments , fight , slam doors , invite friends and take up guest parking then leave their rubbish behind on the common grounds . Each apartment had a list of policies that explained about , parking spaces , respecting other guest , no smoking inside , visiting guest are not meant to stay all day and night , no loud parties or music . All of which would consistently be ignore by you guessed it my Kiwi guest .
    I had this one Kiwi lawyer that came and he and his family proceeded to systematically tear apart the place . There was damage and for the first time after all these years I decide that this was beyond the normal scope of wear and tear. Mainly because it had been deliberately done by his teenage kids that over the 3 days he would leave alone in the apartment while he and his new girlfriend went out to visit friends and have drinks . Well, this lawyer treated me like I was a hostile witness on the stand .He even told me that I should know better then to rent out to people with teenagers . And I said that I am not even charging the full amount for damages only half as we will cover the rest . No apologies and just so so rude I decide that I would take his advise and never have another kiwis family( especially with teenagers ) in the lodge . Because although this was one of worst examples there are too many more horror stories I could tell regarding the bad parenting going on in this country .Kids just totally lacking any impulse control or social skills . Parents are the ones to blame of course but they are in denial !
    Now what I do is carefully screen my guest and if there any signs at all that potential guest are going to be less then respectable, mature people I refuse the booking .Beware all hoteliers .Best advise I can give is exclude the domestic market .You have to be careful how you do it but it just is not worth the trouble . Your life will be so much easier .

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    • I have found Americans and many Canadians very loud but so what I say. They are usually very nice and genuine people. The poms are also loud but mostly when drunk. I also find many middle eastern and quite a few asians (contrary to popular opinion) very loud. Again – so what. But to say all Yanks are loud is silly. That is like saying all kiws hate yanks. South African, Poms, Australians, Yanks are more opinionated and forthright than kiwis who have been too Treaty whipped to say what they think in case it offends someone,

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    • Well said. Another Kiwi who lived in America said to me that Kiwis do not know how to handle conflict at al- – this is also true in most respects and because they cannot handle conflict they cannot handle other cultures well and differences.

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  76. Im an Australian and I have to say Im proud to be one. Not that we are perfect either.

    I travelled to New Zealand for the first time last year for a holiday and I must admit I was inspired by the beautiful scenery, however, Australia is just as spectacular.

    I was very surprised at how rude and cold the kiwis were (not all of them) and I’m not one to be easily offended.

    For instance Kiwis dont like meeting new people or holding a conversation with someone they dont know. I noticed if you smile at them they will wonder what your smiling at or ask you to mind your own business even though its just a friendly hello. New Zealanders are certainly not as friendly.

    Shop assistants can be rude as well. Over here in Australia people are down to earth and enjoy meeting other people. In shops, they pretend they cant see you.

    I remember being in a shop and hearing one lady swearing at her two year old using words I do not want to repeat.

    Overall, i noticed a lot of people in New Zealand don’t seem to be happy, particularly with their jobs and they do not like providing customer service. For a majority of people , it appears a real burden for them to have to make the effort of assisting you.

    I am very proud to be an Australian living that is much more welcoming and friendly.

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    • Customer service is just a 2 letter word in NZ… try renting… they will not even clean the flat when you move in…. it is your responsibility…. try regular maintenance… if the curtains are full of mould the landlord will not replace them and tell you that you are not suitable for the flat… if you tell the landlord living upstairs that you need to sleep between 10 pm and 6 am to work they will just give you notice to move and say they are not going to change their lifestyle… when you buy something at some stores depending on the manager…. returning as it was not what you expected… they will say once opened we cannot return it… I got used to putting a stick or bug in something then returning it… no questions asked then… NZ has the WORST customer service in the Western World! No doubt. Even Aussies will say this when they are here. This customers service carries over in every aspect of day-to-day life… Remember that most customers are women as they buy more so it does have a bit to do with sexism and in NZ the sexism is more from women against women… Yes women in the stores will treat you differently and worse than the men overall but this sexism did start with men…. Date a Kiwi guy… you will be lucky if he even offers to take you out or pay for your meal or a cup of tea at that. Generally when I have met Kiwi guys for a date, they show-up late so you can buy your own drink and they do not have to pay… Short arms, long pockets is the saying over here- comes from their working class Scottish-English roots!

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      • This is the first time that I have heard anyone mention what I have noticed many times in New Zealand, that is the poor way in which women treat other women here. So far I have seen more sexist and rude behaviour from women to women than from men by far. Even in the workplace the support staff go out of their way to assist the men (and only very senior women managers). However, when it comes to helping out other professional women or mid level female managers, forget it!

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        • This is an interesting thing you point out. I think it goes back to the entrenched sexism in NZ, so that women feel they are in competition with each other for male attention because that is the way to get access to resources. So you get admin pandering to the big male bosses and looking sideways at women who dare challenge the status quo. Very odd. I was told that it was totally normal in the 80s in one govt agency for male bosses to tell female staff to sit on their laps. Honestly the culture didn’t seem too different 20 years later.
          It also goes back to overall culture of hostility in NZ – if you let your guard down people tend to stick the boot in.

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    • Family and friends who have emigrated to Oz generally say they are very welcoming and friendly. Having said that apparently when mines close Ozzies close ranks and hire their own which is understandable but not so welcoming if you have taken your family over! I have found kiwis very friendly and polite but one SA artisan who came here years ago was told by a kiwi that he was taking local jobs and not wanted – I guess it was soon after the era of strong Union propaganda. Australians and South Africans are considered a bit loud, brash and opinionated by kiwis I think because we actually say what we feel.

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  77. So true. Australians are prosocial and sunshiny. Huge difference. I noticed it too, when I went to Australia after living for years in New Zealand. Kiwis are autistic or something. “Relational aggression is high” as someone else on here has pointed out..

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    • New Zealand must really be hell. I’ve lived in Australia for years and the things said about Kiwis on this site are very close to home for me.

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  78. Kate :
    Customer service is just a 2 letter word in NZ… try renting… they will not even clean the flat when you move in…. it is your responsibility…. try regular maintenance… if the curtains are full of mould the landlord will not replace them and tell you that you are not suitable for the flat… if you tell the landlord living upstairs that you need to sleep between 10 pm and 6 am to work they will just give you notice to move and say they are not going to change their lifestyle… when you buy something at some stores depending on the manager…. returning as it was not what you expected… they will say once opened we cannot return it… I got used to putting a stick or bug in something then returning it… no questions asked then… NZ has the WORST customer service in the Western World! No doubt. Even Aussies will say this when they are here. This customers service carries over in every aspect of day-to-day life… Remember that most customers are women as they buy more so it does have a bit to do with sexism and in NZ the sexism is more from women against women… Yes women in the stores will treat you differently and worse than the men overall but this sexism did start with men…. Date a Kiwi guy… you will be lucky if he even offers to take you out or pay for your meal or a cup of tea at that. Generally when I have met Kiwi guys for a date, they show-up late so you can buy your own drink and they do not have to pay… Short arms, long pockets is the saying over here- comes from their working class Scottish-English roots!

    your not allowed ” complain ” about anything in new Zealand , the reply to everything at all levels to complaints of any nature is ” stop whining ”

    doesn’t matter if its about the fact that your rental accommodation is sub standard or your office manager is a sociopath

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  79. Kate—you are so right with dating a kiwi man…if they bought you a cup of tea, it would be like winning the lottery, ha ha…sorry for being harsh, but dam, it is so true,..at least the men i met and dated…

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  80. I didn’t used to think that there was too much of a problem with Kiwi customer service – then I started buying goods from overseas due to the escalating costs of goods bought locally. I soon found out that I would get better customer service via the internet, or phone, with companies on the other side of the world than I would from the locals. If things went wrong with an overseas purchase a single email would usually get the customer service wheels rolling. Overseas companies actually WANT your business, and they know it is easy for you to take it elsewhere. Compare this to buying locally where the seller doesn’t seem to care. I can remember two examples in particular, one in which I purchased a computer peripheral from Hong Kong: the company sent me the wrong item. One email and they responded by telling me I could keep the item, and they instantly refunded me. Consequence: I would happily buy from them again.

    By contrast I purchased a custom built computer from a local retailer: they didn’t assemble it correctly (it kept refusing to power up). They refused to acknowledge there was a problem, refused to cooperate in fixing the problem, refused to respond to letters until I threatened legal action, refused to meet their obligations, and messed me around FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR with one excuse after another. In the end, after seeking legal counsel, I set a deadline for them to fix it by (which I gave them in writing). When they failed yet again I approached another company to fix it with the intention of reclaiming the cost through the Small Claims Tribunal (a small scale form of lawsuit). The company I had purchased it from was breaking the law (The Consumer Guarantees Act), but their attitude was that I should spend my time doing something better than researching my legal rights and making sure I didn’t have a faulty computer (they actually had the audacity to put this in writing in one of their responses).

    A simple check (that I could do myself) was suggested by a computer repair company I had approached and it was discovered that the clips on the ribbon cable plugging into the motherboard had not been opened before it had been plugged in and as a result the connection was loose (thereby preventing the power supply providing power to the motherboard properly). No only was this a sign of incredible incompetence on the part of the ‘service agent’ that had built the computer in the first place it was also the kind of repair that should have been identified immediately and fixed in less than 30 seconds! Ever since I did this repair the computer has worked perfectly.

    Consequence: I have told everyone I know about their shocking customer service. At least three people, each prepared to spend around $1500 on a computer, have gone elsewhere.

    The base lesson here is that in general Kiwi shops are only after whatever money they can get out of the customer RIGHT NOW, they don’t care about future sales, most of them don’t have a clue about the laws that they have to follow, and most of them couldn’t care less about following them.

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  81. You are 100% right. Kiwis only think about what they can extract from you right now and they lack long-term thinking skills. Buy from overseas for quality and good service.

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  82. It is obvious that there are a lot of people with insecurity complexes here on all sides because what underlies mean criticism and character assignation is either insecurity, jealousy or a lack of personal maturity. I wouldn’t take the meanly critical people too seriously because as soon as they reveal themselves you should immediately leave them and find someone more socially mature, which are many. Enjoy your day!

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    • Hi Steve – you may want to do a bit more reading before using the term “character assassination.” The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as “the malicious and unjustified harming of a person’s good reputation.” I believe that the E2NZ admin would not publish any comments which would be considered a malicious attack on someone by name, except perhaps public figures, who are fair game in any country. Moreover, character assassination is personal by nature, and directed at a specific individual. The criticisms directed at New Zealand as a country and culture are not aimed at specific individuals in most cases, and you would have a difficult time convincing anyone except the kiwi true believers that the criticism is unjustified.

      Also, your reference to “meanly critical people” is poor English and jumbled thinking. So much of the daily dialogue in New Zealand is comprised of self-righteous vitriole directed at other nations and peoples (frequently, the U.S.), to distract the population from its own troubling issues. So, if you are looking for insecurity issues, you need look no further than at the mirror in front of you.

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      • Thank you Calvin. It was ‘Steve’s’ insecurity that probably led to him using a fake IP address (91.187.85.108). This is another one of our trolls concerned about the negative impact this site is having on worldwide perception of NZ: validation that we’re on the right track.

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  83. Sorry for my ignorance. What is a fake IP address? I am not familiar with this. Could that be why none of the comments I have submitted to this site have appeared? Certainly none of them have been inflammatory or controversial.

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  84. What most of the other countries don’t realize is that most Americans agree with all of the above statements. They also don’t realize that just because we have a democratic government, they are all crooked, so even though we vote in someone we think will make a change, they don’t. Also, we are a loyal, ride or die country, so we will defend America even when we know we are wrong. (Its kinda like when you have a younger sibling, you can pick on them, but no one else can.) At the end of the day, its our home, whether we like it or not.

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  85. I feel so sad that so many of you have had such awful experiences in my country…I have never been rude to a person because they come from elsewhere…American, Canadian, POM, Malaysian, Thai, Australian, South African etc… I enjoy the deverse culture everyone who has come has bought with them. I know that we are a young country with alot to learn. I myself am amazed by the changes in the demographics of NZ in just the past 25 years.

    I went to Primary School (ages 5-10) with primarily European (Pakeha) and Maori Children. The only internationals at my school were from a Chinese/Kiwi family that sent their 2 boys to my school. I look at how fortunate my children today are with having the diverse range of cultures .That I hope teach them that we are all the same….Just we have different backgrounds and Ideas. None of which are wrong they are just different and I hope that they learn to respect that…

    I am sorry that some of us have given off such a terrible impression. I hope you all understand that it is not how all of us feel.

    Arohanui
    (Much Love)

    Moana
    (Christchurch, Nz)

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  86. For all Americans traveling to and from New Zealand – extra security measures related to tensions over the rise of new Moslem extremists are not being applied at New Zealand airports. Do your research on air travel safety before choosing your international carrier.

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  87. One thing I have found since I moved here is that many Kiwis are very quick to take offence at what have only been meant as humorous comments. They seem to have a very different sense of humour compared to the various other countries I have lived in. Because of that I tend to keep quiet now out of fear of saying something they find offensive.

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  88. A bit of hypocricy or double standard as they don’t seem to be too concerned at offending with their comments. I’ve had people make [anti-American] comments in supermarket check out lines, sitting around smoko table, yelling from passing cars, yelling at me as I pass in a car, in stores…
    So even though you may have the decency to keep you comments quiet, a reciprocal consideration is not forthcoming.

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    • That is just the way it is there. If you say something, they will take offense. If they say something, you are not supposed to. Cardinal rule of living in New Zealand, or maybe any country other than your own. I say you get yourself back to Canada or Sri Lanka or someplace where people are nice, and hold onto your sanity until then!

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      • You know, even when I think something has nothing to do with potentially offending national sensitivities it still does. For example, I have returned defective items to shops, only to be told that New Zealand is a small country, that I shouldn’t whinge but support local businesses and that if I don’t like it I should leave. Somehow returning an item to a shop is turned into a serious criticism of New Zealand and Kiwis. That whole chain of logic has left me completely bewildered, as you can imagine. Particularly since I had absolutely no intention of causing offence. Yes, I would like to move elsewhere. My problem is that, even though I was recruited overseas 7 years ago to come to NZ to work at a senior level in a shortage skills area, after complaining about a manager bullying me and giving all my home contact details to a cult like organisation (who then kept calling me all hours of the day and night) I was forced into Mediation and then exited from my job. Although it was agreed that they would not be negative about me, I have recently discovered that they have been. This has prevented me from finding any work in New Zealand. Although I have worked in project management, business development and planning for over 17 years, I am being told by employment agents that I have nothing to offer NZ and should go back to where I came from. For the first time I have been forced onto unemployment benefit and am now facing bankruptcy as I can’t pay my loan and credit cards. Even though I have worked at a senior level for many years with different consultancies, out of desperation the other week I applied for a job as a casual carer. The interview went very well and things looked good. However, after I provided my referee details (which had to be my last employer) I was then told my application was not successful. I really don’t know what I can do now. Very frustrating!

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        • Yup, the ERA is a crock. If you use it as it is intended, to prevent abuse from an employer, you get branded and it is very hard to get work.
          I had to go to the ERA [employment relations authority] for resolution to a breech of contract by my employer. An amicable resolution was [I thought] reached, and I moved on. While [officialy] my former employer was supposed to provide me with an affirmative recomendation as a term of the resolution, I haven’t worked in my field for over 5 years. Finally rewmoved them as an [affirmative] refference off of my resume/cv.
          So, there went my “NZ” experience off of my resume.
          The ERA is there for you protection from employeres that abuse their position, yet if you use it, you’re sunk.
          Total hypocritical, dishonest, and cheating policy, yet, this happens ALL the time here in NZ.

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        • @Amelia: I would suggest contacting some recruiters in your field in other countries and see if you get some interest. I left New Zealand late last year and it took me eight months to find the “right” job, but it was well worth it. I had to spin my “New Zealand experience”, but it was well worth it in the end and the result was excellent. Get out and preserve your sanity.

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        • Main rule of living in New Zealand is actually don’t rock the boat. Swallow everything unquestioningly. Keep your eyes open and mouth shut. Back out of situations carefully with care not to become too involved. We kept our mouths shut most of the time, because opening it or becoming too involved with people or going against the general idea that you lie there and let your blood be pumped out just made it worse for us. If you can borrow money from home to move back, do it now. We spent so much time on the bottom there, struggling for air and getting our blood sucked, that life was barely worth living. It was existing, not living.

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  89. Absolutely! I guess the way they view it is that we migrants are in their country, so we should put up with their comments and behaviour and shut up. As I have been told many times, if I have any problems with something here, I should get out of New Zealand – the Kiwi way or the highway! Since leaving Canada as a child I have lived in a variety of countries in Europe and Asia. The only places that I have encountered open negativity regarding my origins and rude comments were in the UK and here in New Zealand. As a child in Britain, I was regularly humiliated in front of my classmates, being told ‘you colonials must learn to speak English correctly’. Every time I forgot and said something in my Canadian accent, I was made to stand up in front of the class and repeat what I said ‘correctly’. At other times I was told that colonials were ‘backward’ and that I should be grateful that I was being given the opportunity of an English education. It was a completely humiliating experience. However, it was more as if they thought that they were bringing me up to the ‘British standard’ rather than being hostile or nasty. They genuinely did believe that they were superior to people from the colonies, who they were helping to improve themselves. Then when I came to New Zealand, having been forced to adopt the English way of speaking, I was described as a ‘Pom’. Since coming to NZ I have repeatedly heard people making openly hostile comments regarding migrants, even when people of several different nationalities were present. On one occasion, in the middle of a work meeting I was running, a Kiwi member of staff suddenly commented loudly to the person next to him ‘I’m sick of all these migrants coming over here and telling us what to do’. The Kiwi staff in the room all laughed, but I think it may have been out of embarrassment. My Kiwi manager also often observed to me that Kiwis are self starters, unlike ‘where you are from’. Sometimes I have wondered if it is something to do with an island mentality. However I lived in Sri Lanka, which is an island, and the people were nothing like that at all. In fact they were really friendly and welcoming. It sure has been a lonely experience for me in New Zealand. Especially since I came here on my own to take up a role I was recruited for overseas.

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    • Amelia44,

      English immigrants here in Australia developed a bad reputation for that same smug, superior attitude towards the ‘colonials’ in their own country, I know, I’ve experienced it.
      So, perhaps, if Kiwis got the same treatment they might have become rather resentful of any criticism, reasonable or otherwise.

      ‘Pom’, BTW is originally an Australian expression.

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  90. When we came over, we were careful to NOT say things like “you drive on the wrong side of the street”, instead we’d say “other or opposite”, trying to not offend. We bent over backwards trying to not offend, yet they seem to be offended by our meer presence.
    I think that envy has a lot to do with it, both from the Brits and Kiwis towards North Americans. Funny that the Aussies are very different, maybe they can relate better to North Americans. Aussies [generally] like Americans and Canadians, maybe that’s [one of the reasons] why NZers don’t like Aussies.

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    • carpentaro,

      I suspect that the reason Kiwis don’t like Australians is simply envy, they refused to join the Australian federation when they had the chance, it was a bad decision, however they won’t acknowledge the truth so they adopt the ‘sour grapes’ attitude.
      The main point of friction between Australians and Americans is probably US foreign policy, I’d guess that envy is less significant as a factor with Australians.

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      • Living in Oz now, I definitely think that whole thing of NZers hating Australians is envy. Honestly Australians generally don’t say anything negative about NZ. I have not had one negative remark when someone found out I was from NZ. The only negative thing I have heard said was someone saying “Kiwis are such victims” in response to a story being told. And I think that comment is fairly accurate.

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    • They don’t like anything about “certain foreigners”. They don’t like our accents, tone, way we dress or look, our confidence, our idiom – no matter how polite we are, we just set them off. Accent rage? Too much of that.

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      • Granted, I’ve spent way more time in NZ than in Australia, but in the month that I’ve spent in Australia I did not hear or feel anything “anti-American”. Personal experience.

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      • Ditto what carpentaro says. Is it just a Melbourne thing, perhaps? I have met a few retards in Australia on my many visits, but never felt unwelcome or the object of unjustified scorn. Also, by and large, the news channels and regular programming were nothing like the poisonous kiwi news programs (Prime News’ Eric Young, or TVNZ’s Hillary Barry).

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        • In the month that we were there, I was befriended by an Aussie that saw me looking at a map. He had ties to the US via his wife [American nurse]. I gave him my phone#, couple of days later he called me up to invite me to a baseball game, his treat. I think that he wanted someone to ‘spain the game to him [kinda like cricket to a ‘Merican].
          I have not heard anything bad said to me, no nasty looks… Nothing like in NZ.

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      • It is more clear that Aussies hate the American government and its policies rather than Americans as individuals. With Kiwis, they make it much more personal. They are less likely to be able (?) to draw a distinction between individual Americans and the government that keeps respawning itself against the will of the people. I have heard plenty of anti-American sentiment, almost all political, from Australian friends. They compartmentalize it in their relations with you, though. Kiwis, less so.

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  91. I told my daughter before attending Auckland’s Massey Uni that she will encounter anti US sentiment and sure enough her lecturers began subtly and blatantly bashing US and colonialist powers. I always remind my kids that NZ would be a Japanese rice plantation if not for the US. Tounge in cheek yes except that my dad fought in WW2 so actually it has a truth to it. What most people including kiwis don’t get is that the US is so open it airs its own dirty laundry and enters public debate for all to see. Most other countries don;t allow cops to be filmed during arrests and suppress all criticism whereas America embraces debate. Kiwis think they are so open minded but they have been dumbed down by the academic elite and demi-god judiciary and not to mention the seeing all gods of science. Also everyone thinks America meddles but they never mention the billions of dollars of aid and infrastructure they invest that gives them the right to have a say in strategic areas. I love the yanks – they say what they mean and follow up with action. If allowed they would have gone and rescued the 200 girls in slavery in Nigeria but the PC mentality like kiws have would only go save the whales, not young girls. God bless America. I don’t see anyone lining up to get into the middle East but I’d go live in America today if I could. Yeah!!

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  92. May I just point out that “Yank” does not equal “American”. A “Yank” or “Yankee” is a term to describe people from a region, New England in particular or another Northern state. If you called someone from California a “Yank”, especially someone under the age of 30, they would have no earthly clue what you’re talking about.

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    • For many people outside the US ‘Yank’ does indeed mean ‘American’, the meaning of the term within the US is irrelevant. Also some Latin Americans resent the way that citizens of the USA have appropriated the term ‘American’ for themselves. It’s all a matter of perspective.

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      • If by “for many people outside the U.S. one means the English and the rump parts of their long dead empire, then yes – many people call Americans Yanks. I would strongly suggest you do try and grasp the concept that, just as Kiwis resent being called derogatory names, whether abroad or not, neither do all Americans take kindly to the snub.

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      • “the meaning of the term within the US is irrelevant” This means that how Americans feel about this name is of no importance to those that are calling them that. That’d be like saying that all kiwis are sheep shaggers, and I’m sure that’s not true.

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        • I didn’t realise the term was offensive to citizens of the USA, I’m amazed that you regard it as the equivalent of ‘sheep shagger’, I don’t use either term, BTW. I’d presumed it was rather like ‘Pom’ — I.e. It rather depends on the context.

          I don’t know whether this still occurs, it certainly was common years ago, Australians in the USA were offended when they were referred as ‘Limeys’ by Americans who couldn’t distinguish them from the English, or didn’t care.

          My comment was in regard to the assumption that Americans have a proprietary right over the term, the fact that it might be offensive to Americans is a different issue.

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          • “I didn’t realise the term was offensive to citizens of the USA”
            The most general usage of this term is in relation to “The War Between the States” or American Civil War, where one side [northern states] were “yankees” and the other side [southern states] were “rebels” [rebs, johnny reb…]
            Hence the NY Yankees [northern state].
            That is why I said to not call a southerner a “yankee” or you’d get socked.
            It is not offensive to all Americans, though highly offensive to some.
            So, while all yankees are Americans, not all Americans are yankees.

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  93. I checked out this thread before we went on 3 weeks vacation in February this year on the South Island and later in Queensland. I was (very slightly) worried expecting that, as Americans, we would be treated badly as so many people claim to be in Paris for instance (though I’ve personally never had issues there either). Every one in NZ and AU were very nice – never had any encounters with anyone surly except maybe airline staff but that is the same everywhere. I don’t know what anyone said behind our backs but don’t really care either. Maybe different as a tourist than a resident but I would not dissuade anyone from visiting either country. The only rude NZ person I’ve ever encountered was in a NZ themed restaurant in San Francisco (where I live) but that was just after the America’s Cup so I’ll let it slide. That was pretty tragic from the NZ side.

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  94. 3 weeks vacation
    Way different than living here and Queenstown makes its’ living on tourists [they have to be nice to make a living].
    I don’t know what anyone said behind our backs
    When I got to know a few Kiwis, I could not believe how much they talked about people, behind their backs. Even more popular passtime than rugby.

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  95. It is interesting, almost every Kiwi that I’ve talked with, that has been to the States, comes back and wants to talk with me [after hearing my accent] because they’ve had such a good time there. Recently I had a Kiwi, who’d been to the States recently, tell me “they [Americans} like us Kiwis”. And, yes, Americans like most folks.
    Seems as though the sentiment is not reciprocal. As stated here before, I’ve had people [after hearing my accent] say some of the most meanspirited things for no good reason. I didn’t cut in line, spill their tea, cut them off in traffic… But as soon as they hear my accent, rude comments follow.
    Just mean and looking for someone to take it out on? Envious and jealous of what they’ll never have?
    The difference of the experiences; Kiwis in America vs Americans in NZ is remarkable as they are so different.

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    • The implication being, “with as much as we hate Americans, they’re dumb enough to still like us?”. This is because most Americans do not have regular access to their press (and are not interested enough to follow it, either) or to regular Kiwis living in New Zealand.Back home now, I am always clueing Americans in to the Real New Zealand and the Real Kiwis. They are always shocked, and frankly, many of them don’t want to believe me. The Kiwis hide it so well.

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      • Or, Americans in the States couldn’t care less about what Kiwis [in the States] thought of them. Or, the Kiwis in the States were on their best behavior [not wantin’ to get shot by one of those fat, gun totin’…].

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      • Whenever I’m back in the US, which is often, I go out of my way to avoid the other English-speakers of the planet. Aussies, Kiwis, Brits, Irish – I’ve been on the pointy end of that stick for so long that they’re not getting any hospitality from me. Quite the opposite. And yes, it’s petty. but it makes me feel better.

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  96. I unfortunately married into a New Zealand family. My husband thankfully doesn’t have that God awful accent since he moved to the US at 8. However, his family are the most rude, over bearing, intrusive, cruel, selfish, embarrassing and heartless human beings I have ever met in my life. You can’t take them anywhere for fear of what they’ll say or how they’ll act. The father and older sister (who still lives at home at the age of 48) are raging alcoholics and the mother is a manipulative, conniving pill popper. I could write a novel on the crap they have put my husband and I through, as well as my brother in law and his wife. I’m just glad they’re currently estranged even though we here and there still have to deal with their stalker behavior. I would never let them within a certain amount of feet of my children. They’re not fit to be around adults let alone little kids. Worst people EVER.

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  97. Wow this site got really personal….I’m a kiwi and I have no issue with the American people at all…. we have no control of what our governments do etc. I like to think of myself as someone who does not just believe what my news media tells me. I’ll look for more information. I do not label Americans please don’t label all us kiwi. I’m about to take my first trip into America in less than a month and I would hate if this attitude on here is spread. Take each person you meet by who they are not which flag they fly.

    MOANA

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  98. wow! I cannot believe the amount of negative comments that have been left on this forum. Anti-Americanism in New Zealand? Really? I really want to believe that’s not true. Is it true? Okay, so here goes my story…
    I got engaged to a Kiwi earlier this year in January. We were so happy! We had been in a relationship for a long time and I felt that I had to pop the question when she came to L.A. to see me. I love this girl, she’s the woman of my dreams! So when she came to L.A. we went down to Mexico, I proposed to her and of course she said yes!! We had a beautiful future planned in New Zealand.
    A week later I was in Christchurch, NZ living with my fiancée, things were great. It was summer in New Zealand and Canterbury is just a beautiful place. I did a get a chance to travel to Dunedin, Queenstown, Wanaka, and other beautiful places in Otago and Canterbury regions. New Zealand really is one of the world’s most beautiful countries, definitely Top 5 in my opinion.
    I knew it wouldn’t be easy to get a work visa and as impatient as I am believe me! I was patient for way too long. I moved to NZ in February and got my visa in mid-May after hiring an immigration consultant who helped us throughout the process of submitting applications, letters from relatives and friends, pictures, proof of address, etc.
    Needless to say I was very excited when I got my visa! I was so happy! I couldn’t wait to start working. My fiancée is a medical imaging student and as part of her last year of study she had to do her placement in Wellington. So we were due to move to Wellington in June. I was very excited! Yes, I’m sorry! As beautiful as Canterbury is I used to complain about how dead and boring Christchurch was and I had heard Wellington was more of a cosmopolitan city with lots of job opportunities. I mean it is the capital of New Zealand after all.
    So we moved to Wellington. I was armed with my IRD number and my work visa. I was ready to go. I started applying for jobs on both Seek and Trade Me. I have a B.A. in both International Relations and French. Initially I was looking for a government job (i.e. city council, library). I then tried applying for international companies, call-centers, customer service jobs. No luck. I then tried applying to various different restaurants. I tried everything! I tried retail. I didn’t mind working at Farmers. I even applied for a job at McDonald’s and didn’t get it.
    At this point I went into depression. What was I doing wrong? I just needed a job. I needed an income. I was really frustrated and angry, so angry sometimes that I would start to take it out on my fiancee and well it began to take a toll on our relationship. I would stay at home all day and apply for jobs. Finally one day I decided I would try and go out and drop off my CV in person at various different restaurants. That didn’t work either.
    I just felt like a complete loser. My fiancée and I had a wonderful future planned. We had planned to get married in January of 2016 and now our wedding date is kinda up in the air. Some people told me that the reason why I was probably having such a hard time looking for work was because employers were waiting until after the elections to start making decisions on who to hire! WTF!? What does that have to do with me getting a job at restaurant? Needless to say I was very upset, unhappy and I wanted to get the hell out of New Zealand. I applied for a job at Wellington Airport and in my cover letter I told them I was having a hard time looking for work in hopes of them feeling sorry for me and giving me a job. That didn’t work either.
    I then thought okay…maybe these people don’t want to employ anyone with an accent like mine? They probably don’t want an American working at Farmers assisting their customers in a “horrendous American accent.” I met a young Canadian girl who has lived in NZ with her boyfriend for over 5 years and she’s now a resident and had a job and everything. I met a lovely Mexican couple who had just moved to NZ and they found jobs right away. The Mexican guy got a job as a project manager. They spoke English. To be honest, I didn’t meet that many Americans while in NZ. So this page here has sorta opened up my eyes, was I possibly discriminated against? Just because I’m American? Please tell me that’s not true!
    I spent 7 months in New Zealand doing nothing. I’m now back in L.A. I got a job within 2 weeks of arriving home. Unfortunately, my fiancee is still back in New Zealand finishing up her placement. Her family feels that I have abandoned her but I really had no choice but to leave. Those 7 months put me into a financial drawback. I need to get my act together. I do hope to go back to New Zealand to rejoin my fiancee. I want to live in NZ with her. I want to raise my children in NZ. I made sure to tell employers on my cover letter that I wasn’t just a traveler. I wanted to stay in NZ. Please, if there’s anyone out there, an employer? Please give me a chance, employ me. My work visa is still valid until May of 2015. I really need a job in New Zealand. I have faith in New Zealand.

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    • Mike, take off the rose-colored glasses. It only goes downhill from where you were.

      The cardinal sin you committed was setting positive expectations, and then having the courage to display enthusiasm and a positive mental attitude.

      That simply doesn’t work here, especially for Americans.

      Sorry.

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      • but why is that? What is it about Americans that they don’t like? So they don’t want an American as CEO of Farmers fine I get it! but have they thought about how they’re wrecking peoples’ lives? I left my whole life in America to be with my fiancee in New Zealand. All I wanted was a decent job and they couldn’t even give me that.

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        • “What is it about Americans that they don’t like?”

          Your teeth, confidence, grooming. accent, cheerful attitude, your generosity, your relationship with your parents, your education, your country’s history, your country’s assumption that all things American did not actually start first in NZ, your tacit belief that all things American are not utter shit compared to all things NZ, your entire background, your parents, your grandparents, your pets (present and past) your face, your hair, your scent, your habits, your preferences and of course, you. And America. And they want to believe they are you, only better. Then they wish you would vaporize into thin air and that NZ really was American, but better. Good luck fitting in.

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        • All these answers are so spot-on. Sometimes it is the way you look (could lose a few pounds? Nerdy-looking, not an outdoorsy or surfer look?), your manner (overly confident – they hate that!), your good teeth (yes, they hate those too – good white teeth are suspect, means you are part of the smarmy rich crowd that can afford dental care!), probably your accent and bouncy attitude. Do you have a non-rugby voice (high, nasal, expressive?), well, they won’t be liking that. Maybe they thought that you were “over the top” (we got that all the time, “oh, you Americans are so over the top” – too much of everything, not humble enough, mouths not shut enough, etc.). They hate our accent – they have a visceral reaction to it. Even if you are a nice person, they don’t want to hear that accent. Some expressions we use they don’t like. Kiwi relatives used to shudder when I used certain verbs that annoyed them. The employers want to wait until after the election because some parties who get in will change labor law (like, laws about trying workers out before hiring permanently etc.), immigration laws and tax laws etc. and because they have no buffer there, they are all on the bones of their ass, the tiniest change can force them to completely rework the way they do things. No room to maneuver there. That is one reason they are so conservative. If something’s working, they are loath to change it – the smallest change and it’s now “not working” and with huge debt loads and no savings, they don’t want situations like that. Dump the Kiwi fiancee (who doesn’t seem very understanding about your situation – red flag! Only interested in your “staying in New Zealand whatever the cost”, that’s very familiar to us!) and move to the Midwest of the U.S.. Nicer people. Don’t understand who the heck would want to live in L.A. or NZ. They both suck.

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      • Yes that is true. For such a beautiful place you would not understand the amount of depression and bigotry that exists within this culture. I experienced this horrible prejudiced Kiwi bus driver on the Intercity bus-line who drove from Wellington to Auckland frequently. Probably the best views that many bus driver’s could ever dream of having. Yet he was a miserable person and caused me problems just to cause me problems- nobody stood up for me. I have met many living in beautiful places like Queenstown too who are just miserable people. If you smile at them they just retrieve and somehow think you are their enemy or after them for something. They are insecure and jealous most the time. A lot of childhood abuse and trauma including sexual abuse plus alcohol abuse or misuse. NZ has one of the highest suicide rates of males in the world. Feelings locked-up and must drink to cope. Infertility is also a problem among males. And do not think that fanatic Christianity does not exist here as it certainly does. Most Christians here feel unless you find Jesus you are not going to be able to become a good person and yet they lie who have found him. Lying is common here.

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    • Mike says: “Her family feels that I have abandoned her but I really had no choice but to leave.” Please. And they couldn’t help you either?! No own business, no connections in NZ? Even they didn’t succeed in it, let alone you. Good on you to go back to USA to avoid a broken relationship, depression and low self esteem. Good luck.

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      • Actually her family is really lovely. We really had some good times together with her family. Her parents were nice enough to pay our rent because I was obviously broke and my fiancee was doing her placement (unpaid) at the hospital so we were just living off of her student allowance. Yeah, unfortunately there is no such thing as networking in New Zealand.

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    • Sorry to hear that but not surprising considering you were looking for work in Wellington.
      Unfortunately that’s the capital and hub of the NZ Government and what goes with that is a sickly
      Hard Left mindset propagated in the universities and adopted by the locals.
      It is discrimination, it is racism, it is bigotry.
      Auckland would be the better bet.

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  99. Yes. They didn’t hire you because you are American. My story is similar to yours. In LA, I was a multiple LA Press Club Award Winning Photoshop artist. Here, I work retail. I’ve been told that I’ll never advance in my retail job. It doesn’t matter how hard I work. My old career is finished. I’ve been told I’ll never be hired to do what I did for over 20 years. They “don’t need my flash Hollywood design….” If I claimed to be Canadian, all that would change. But I cannot lie. I still get some work from companies back in LA, but I have no design career in New Zealand. Here, they have put me in my place, meaning beneath their boots, to prove that they are stronger than America, because we’re all a bit up ourselves. Bigotry is the rule here, not the exception.

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    • I have to agree. I worked in an industry that easily out produced the entire country, from one county, in one state. When the inovation of some high speed/productivity was offered, it was flattly rejected for “she’ll be right”. And I recon that that is mostly because this was being offered by an American.
      If I had been a Kiwi, gone to America, learned new techniques and come back, I would’ve been “quite clever”, but as an American, they don’t want to hear it from you.

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    • That’s really sad Carvin. We have to do something to fix this! We need to get the country’s attention. I bet we could get our story on Breakfast! Those people seem very lovely. I’m sure they would be willing to tell our story on TV.

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  100. I don’t think Anti-Americanism exists in New Zealand. If they really hate us then why are they broadcasting our movies? Everytime I turned on the TV and if there was a movie on, it was an American film. Why are they playing our music on the radio? Why are they begging the hottest music acts who are mostly American to come and play in NZ? Stick to watching Shortland Street.

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    • Mike – you seem to have made up your mind and fail to grasp what others are telling you. Maybe you haven’t read the numerous personal accounts on this site. Maybe you just don’t get it – yet.

      Or, perhaps, you can get in synch with the kiwi vibration. I would be willing to say no, however, as you had no success here for the first half year or so that you did live here.

      If you have the money saved and are hell-bent on living in New Zealand [don’t live on credit cards or debt to finance your trip], maybe you should give it another go and learn the hard way. You sound young enough and single, so maybe it will give you the answers and insights you seek. Who knows? If you do succeed, you can come back here and enlighten the rest of us.

      However, if I were you, I would take the life lesson you have been taught already, stay where you are, or emigrate elsewhere, and save yourself a big bag of hurt.

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    • To answer your questions as to why kiwis watch American movies and listen to American music:

      1. Movies and music are products, and the US is very good at producing – and selling – enjoyable entertainment in affordable volume. The kiwi broadcast and entertainment industries then purchase American content and re-‘sell’ it for profit. It’s a business model that works.

      2. There simply isn’t a large, alternative supply of up-to-date, high-quality English-speaking content from anywhere else. You can only watch the Hobbit so many times, or listen to Lorde’s music for so long.

      3. Kiwis like to consume mediocre American entertainment to condescend and feed their superiority complex/ chip on their shoulder.

      4. Kiwis are followers. They secretly wish to emulate much of America, but would never admit it.

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      • This is not to say that the UK or Australia don’t produce a lot of (good) content, it’s just that the US still produces a lot more. Also, piracy is a huge problem here, and I would guess that a lot of entertainment that is broadcast is bootleg or so old it is considered public domain. That has to be why they play mostly 70s music the Carpenters, Eagles and BeeGees alot in retail and grocery stores. There is also a widespread KimDotcom mentality here that stealing (and reselling) American content is fair game if you can get away with it, which is apparently easy to do.

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    • I just wouldn’t bother Mike, the world is a big place and NZ is the very dark, very lonely and rather backwards corner that people mostly forget about.

      Life over there, in the long run will consist of trying to make friends and trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, it just doesn’t go. I am mid 20s and I was offered work out there maybe 4-5 jobs in construction, I could go out there tomorrow and work on the farcical ‘christchurch rebuild’.

      NZ is a strange place, it has a very seedy underbelly and it is not the place it was 20 years ago, it is very, very expensive and you do not get your monies worth for ANYTHING, housing, food, clothing is all overpriced crap, the housing especially.

      It is not a place for young ambitious people, I would be very cautious settling with your wife there, the boredom will soon set in

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  101. You clearly didn’t learn anything about these people when you were here. We don’t need to get their attention. The DO know about the lives they destroyed and they are proud of it. Some Americans tried to get their attention on the John Campbell show a few years back. He just mocked them. They are a hateful petty people. They like it that way.

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  102. I also disagree with this article. Kiwis hate everyone equally except of course Australians who they hate with passion. Kiwis call Australians ozzies despite their being neither an O or Z in Australa, perhaps they find it easier to spell? The worst New Zealanders are the ones living overseas. They seriously think that they are superior people despite only excelling in Rugby which also happens to be their national sport unlike any other country. I have known many kiwis and individually they are ok but something strange happens when they are in groups of 2 or more. Massive chips develop on their shoulders. They also love going on other countries fan pages for sport making stupid statements with strage words like yous followed by hahahaha.
    Anyway don’t let any of this stop you from visiting New Zealand as it really is a beautiful country and they send most of the idiots to Australia.

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  103. I traveled to New Zealand 2 years ago and felt the dislike for Americans. I said nothing and did nothing to deserve the attitude. When I returned to America I mentioned my experience to my brother. A year later he visited New Zealand. He reported the same behavior.

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  104. I am North-Eastern European and to be honest I like Americans way better than I like a lot of kiwis. Americans I’ve met are great, they open, approachable, they don’t sit in their little shell and try to bite you, like a lot of people here do.

    Americans are easy to talk to, easy to find a lot of subjects to discuss. Kiwis I’ve aren’t like that at all.

    Kiwis here honestly say they don’t really like or trust Americans, but the truth is they don’t really like or trust anyone who wasn’t born in New Zealand. A lot fo them are xenophobic, they constantly pick on foreigners to make their life uncomfortable, unpleasant.

    They have to admit it sooner or later that quite a few of them are not ready to share this land with anyone but themselves (and mind you all of them are migrants) and that New Zealand will never make the social or technological progress America has made.

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  105. Villager intellects, villager lives, villager outlook, Living there was like living in a straitjacket, I’d rather have lived in Royston Vasey UK. At least you have continental Europe a hop skip and jump away in far-flung areas of Europe. With New Zealand, you’re being bled dry and have an ocean all around you. You become like a prisoner being kept for plasma donation source if you can’t afford to leave. Impossible to just hop anywhere for a break from living with them and their tiny friggin minds, cold abnormal personalities, sneering smug mugs, crafty expert hiding of all their dirty laundry, and robbery of any penny you make.

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  106. I am a college student in Denver, Colorado in the United States. This post took the words from my mind, to be honest it still feels new to me to know that I live in a nation so horribly deceptive. No one knows anything about why we’re in Iraq (oil), that Reagan’s administration brought cocaine into our country and introduced it into black communities, that the moon landing was faked (… it was faked), etc. Everyone is addicted to social media also. I eager to escape and New Zealand sounds perfect. 🙂 I hope I’d be relieved well.

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      • If you like blaming America for the world’s problems, you’ll fit in. If you like to bash American “policy”, you’ll fit in. If you like to point out how Americans are “fat, dumb and lazy”, you’ll fit in.
        Don’t to forget to pick up your “kiwi tinted” glasses on your way in, she’ll be right, mate.

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  107. Great. Just what we need over here. Another disillusioned expat with a moon fetish. Stay home. You make life even harder for us Americans living here. Seriously. Stay there.

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  108. On second thought, come on over. I’m sure your attitude toward your homeland will save you from all the hatred. The’ll naturally see that you are one of them and accept you as a kindred spirit. You’ll be loved and all your talents will be appreciated here. As will your superior intellect. They really like people with a superior intellect. Especially well educated ones. Because the are like that, willing to drop their hatred of Americans if they see that you agree with them. And they are a kind and forgiving people too. Pack your bags and come on over…(mwahahahahahahahaha!)

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  109. I’m a kiwi and I’ve lived in the USA. Although both nations speak English… vastly different cultures. I think it is the cultural differences that has resulted in many Americans visitors feeling the sentiments expressed above. Biggest difference: In America people don’t like to openly discuss politics, religion or birth control matters like abortion… not with other family members, friends, co workers and definitely not with strangers. In New Zealand everyone will discuss those topics at the drop of a hat. Many American will try to be polite and non committal in reply. Many NZ’rs take that as an insult. NZ’rs take great stock in people standing up and speaking their minds. It is not a gun culture…you will not get shot, fired from your job, kicked out of your church or any other form of retaliation because you hold different views. In most of the countries that Britain colonized, the indigenous people were assimilated. In NZ it is more a case of the Indigenous people (Maori) learnt English and assimilated the colonialists into their culture. Both nations might speak English but how those words are used comes from different cultures.

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    • “NZ’rs take great stock in people standing up and speaking their minds.”

      Yet when you do, you get shot down [figureatively]. So, it is all the same, except for the fact that being from the US, you’ve got more anti-US sentiment going against you.

      Nice try, WWINZ.

      Take off your “kiwi tinted glasses”. NZ is not as open to outside influence as you might think, especially when you present a different point of view.

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    • Take it from a Kiwi who lived in Los Angeles and worked REAL jobs for quite a number of years, dealing with people and companies from different states the cultural foundation is the same, how we live day to day, who we are and what we do, western culture if you like and yes there are a few different flavours here and there but no big deal.

      People are people,where you see the differences, I see similarities and American friends of
      mine made the same observations when visiting NZ on business and recreation.

      Regarding the discussion of politics what you say is not representative at all, my experience
      is quite the opposite and they will listen to opposing views and uphold the right to have those
      views with friends and complete strangers while maintaining respect, and have a bit of fun with it.
      There are exceptions and those people generally occupy the polar regions of politics.
      (Hey, doesn’t that have a ring of familiarity to Kiwis!)
      As far as loosing your job goes or getting ostracised, workplace bullying happens there the same as NZ, BUT my experience is when rubber meets the road Americans get on with the task at hand and small issues don’t get in the way and I am proud to say I have been part of that.
      As far a New Zealanders speaking their minds, many parrot what they hear in the media, certainly
      when it comes to the U.S. and when challenged to look at the bigger picture or context they react childishly with exception of those of us who are not prejudiced.

      Unfortunately for NZ the entitilement culture has permeated possibly further into the general populace than in USA and close behind follows the Tall Poppy Syndrome.

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  110. @Shelley Williams: The observation that the Maoris assimilated the colonials into their culture is one of the most poignant observations about New Zealand. My wife, who was born and grew up in New Zealand, often expresses her disgust at the “islandised” culture of New Zealand. For example, very few people have any kind of ambition or set goals. Similarly, people lack basic time management skills such as punctuality. Moreover, people work sloppily and just do the absolute minimum required. We are much happier living in Switzerland amongst people with culture.
    I find your observation about the Kiwi outspokenness interesting. Kiwis are often eager to offer their opinion, usually a rather ill-informed one that lacks cogency, about certain topics. For example, Kiwis love to criticize the USA, its policies, or dumb Americans. Similarly, they love to attack the rich etc. I was usually pugnacious towards these ignorant Kiwi cretins, which tended to elicit a lack of confrontation on their part or rather an unwillingness to discuss the matter further.
    On the other hand, the Kiwis have a surprisingly amount of uniformity in thought. Kiwis will not stand up collectively towards bullies at work nor will they stand up to those who are flagrantly ignoring the rules of decency and decorum. This type of passiveness and unwillingness to do something to rectify what is wrong was one of the most infuriating things about dealing with the Kiwi inbreeds.

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    • @safefromnewzealand: To build upon your last thought, I’d say that the native, or non-travelling, Kiwi’s ‘most infuriating’ trait is their – almost – collective militant ignorance of the larger world; particularly so the United States.
      Yes, they have very strong opinions about American policy and culture; but their sources are, more often than not, few, and hopelessly biased and naive.
      As a former Canadian, now an American for many years, I am all too familiar with the behavior. New Zealand has no founding myth based upon supposedly “standing up” to the American colossus, as Canada does, but the inferiority complex, and cultural resentment, rings true.

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  111. To Jeff G…. you wrote that …”New Zealand has no founding myth based upon supposedly “standing up” to the American colossus” ….you are wrong sir.
    NZ did stand up to America in the 80’s., when the popular no nukes law was enacted in NZ. No nuclear weapons in NZ waters. It was not popular with American politicians at the time and resulted in a 20 YEAR EMBARGO on NZ by the USA. During that time period the French government sent agents to sink the Rainbow Warrior (the Greenpeace flagship), while she was berthed in Auckland harbor. An act of terrorism which the USA government of the day supported by refusing to share intelligence with NZ authorities to aid in locating and capturing the terrorists.
    Perhaps you have never heard of the famous debate David Lange participated in at the Oxford Union Debate held on 1March 1985.
    Quote…”To compel an ally to accept nuclear weapons against the wishes of that ally, is to take the moral position of totalitarianism, which allows for no self determination and is exactly the evil we are supposed to be fighting against.”

    At that time, the American state department stance of trampling an ally nations right to self determination, in order to assert USA interests was a shock to all NZ’rs who had fought side by side with Americans during WWII. Prevailing opinion at the time was that Americans were WONDERFUL people who were oblivious to what their leaders were doing to overseas nations.

    And so…after a small nation in the Pacific had the temerity to say no to the USA state department, economic sanctions were imposed and a whole generation of New Zealanders grew up with their eyes wide open to what happens when you say no to ‘an ally’.

    Yes, saying NO to nuclear weapons in NZ resulted in economic hardship for the whole country.
    Yes, saying NO to nuclear energy plants resulted in what some Americans might perceive as a ‘lower standard of living’. In NZ, if you are hot, you open a window. You don’t turn on the air conditioning because hydro energy is expensive. However that’s why you travel overseas, experience different cultures, step out of your comfort zone

    Here is the link to a recording of that Oxford Debate

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    • Shelley it is you that is wrong. A “founding myth” by definition goes back to the origin, in this case – the birth of NZ as a nation. A single event in the 1980s does not define a nation, no more than supporting the apartheid regime’s Springbok tour in 1981 defined it

      Your rather naive view of relations with the US and your country’s ‘separation of interests’ does not take into account NZ’s long standing participation in the Five Eyes network, nor the secrecy surrounding the TPPA. Those two examples alone (and there are many others) seem to renege on any “founding principles” the country was built on.

      As for NZ’s outwardly anti-nuclear stance, unknown to many New Zealanders, shipments of Uranium yellowcake have been passing quietly through its ports for decades. The grounding of the Rena in Tauranga (which may also have contained plutonium cores and parts for military helicopters) raised fears that it may have contained a consignment of uranium ore.

      The Rainbow Warrior (owned by an international organisation, not New Zealand) was protesting French nuclear testing in the Pacific and it was the French ogvernment who sank it. Nothing to do with the US. The British, American, Soviet and New Zealand governments agreed to ban atmospheric tests in 1963, France did not. Hence the beef was with France, not the US, so why should it or any other country get involved? Both the Australian and NZ governments took France to international court in 1973, France ignored their order to cease testing.

      Relations with the US broke down because of Lange’s rather irrational decision not to allow the old ship USS Buchanan to visit NZ in Feb 1985, despite it not carrying nuclear weapons.

      ‘Whatever the truth of its armaments, its arrival in New Zealand would be seen as a surrender by the government.’ In response, Washington severed visible intelligence and military ties with New Zealand and downgraded political and diplomatic exchanges. George Shultz confirmed that the United States would no longer maintain its security guarantee to New Zealand, although the ANZUS treaty structure remained in place.

      Finally, your neighboring country Australia does not have nuclear energy plants, but it does not have a ‘a lower standard of living’ as a consequence of that.

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  112. To Shelly Williams:

    I’d like to chalk your response to misreading what I said, yet you quoted me in your response. I’m terribly sorry to have to break this to you, but New Zealand was simply not founded in the 1980’s. If you find that farfetched, I would kindly direct you to the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi….
    Lange barred the USS Buchanan from making a port of call in February 1985. It wasn’t until two years later that your parliament finally got around to passing the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act.
    That Oxford debate I may not have heard about in March of 1985 was televised in the United States on the then big three networks, in….. March of 1985. In a year when cable television was still a novelty in a handful of American cities, I couldn’t not have watched it. I had some sympathy for Lange’s sentiments. Many Americans did. I found him a trifle arrogant, and very much pandering to Labour’s base back home. As for Falwell… I couldn’t stomach him then any better than I could later.
    You stated that Lange’s actions resulted in a 20 year embargo. Nonsense.
    Despite some very asinine comments from the then President Reagan, Dick Cheney, and a very mild, very vague threat of a Department of State spokesman, Defense Secretary Weinberger, the Congress was never going to allow any form of economic sanctions against New Zealand, never mind an Embargo.
    All that happened in the real world is that the U.S. government initially agreed with Britain that it would not violate Lange’s wishes to avoid jeopardizing the ANZUS agreement, until such time as Lange lifted his ban. When that didn’t happen, the U.S. washed its hands of its security obligations to New Zealand – downgrading NZ’s status from “ally” to “friend.” Lest hay be made of that designation, the United States has used the word in a technical sense for military allies since the Nineteenth Century.
    Your claim that the United States has withheld intelligence to locate and capture terrorists is, I presume, really only about Louis Pierre Dillais. I didn’t know when the story broke why he was allowed in the states, and I have no idea if he still is. I’ll assume he is, as his extradition would have certainly made the major press.
    To reiterate point #4; asinine comments and sentiments are one thing; actions quite another. Despite the rhetoric from a more-than-a-little-pissed off Reagan administration, Congress was never remotely willing to consider any kind of sanctions, let alone an embargo, of New Zealand. In reality, due in the main to widespread, if fleeting, celebrity status, NZ exports to the states after June of 1985. Further, the French threats of excluding NZ from trade with the then EEC came to….. nothing.
    That embarrassing credit downgrade of New Zealand early in 1991 was New Zealand’s fault. Not because of any imaginary embargo or sanctions on the part of the United States, or any other country, or organization of countries.

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  113. After reading through the various comments on this form, I wanted to share a few thoughts.

    In general I believe most Americans know full well there is a certain level of dislike for this country in parts of the world. As far as stereotypes go I’m sure if you were take a look at our country you would find loud mouth, obese, and ignorant Americans. I also believe you would find a great many people who are the exact opposite. Unfortunately, American media does tend to focus on the negative, as well as play up stereotypes. Most people, should they visit the United States, would be amazed I think at the size and diversity of the country. For 324 million people, we get along surprisingly well, better than you would think listening to our media. Absolutely we have problems in this country, and we work through them in a very public fashion.

    Are we patriotic? Yes, but I would challenge you to think of it in this way. Presidents come and go, members of Congress leave office(most American’s would argue that our politicians can’t leave office soon enough.) The only real constant in a county as diverse as we are is nationalism. The -idea- of America is the only glue holding a country of such differing cultures and values together.

    We tend to also pull together as, when tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, and disasters hit Americans have to help each other for we know others won’t be sending aid. The rest of the world says let em’ take care of it, and so we’ve learned to do just that. As a result, we’ve become on the whole, a pretty friendly group of people because its a big country with loads of ways to find yourself in trouble. Plus life is difficult enough. We say hello to others just because we do. We ask how your day is, even if we know the pat answer will be “Good” We like to look you in the eye, and shake your hand firmly, cause that’s what we’ve been taught our entire lives. (And to not do so raises our suspicions about you). We laugh loudly when hearing a good joke, because that what we do. We expect things done precisely right every time and give unrestrained tongue lashings if it isn’t. Why? Because at our work we get held to the same high standard and catch hell when we screw up.

    As for the charge that America goes it alone, that we disregard international law and sometimes appear to do as we please I can only say at times the answer to that is – yes. As with all things though, the reasons behind that are often ignored. There was a time when this country wanted nothing to do with the rest of the world. George Washington warned us about entangling alliances with Europe and most American’s were loathe to get involved in others affairs. just as we would rather not butt into the neighbor next door’s business. So the question is, why the change?

    Americans were told in 1917 that we have to fight to “make the world safe for democracy.” and so we did. Then we were discouraged to see a failed peace process after a war which seemed to illustrate how base western civilization had become. So what did this country do? Withdrew from world affairs though the 1920s and into the 1930s. We blamed the big arms manufactures for pulling us into conflict. We said, let Europe deal with Hitler and Mussolini after all, its their problem. Perhaps if we ignore Japan they will go away and leave us be. The result, was an even more terrible conflict. After which in 1945 America and Americans still wanted to leave be and just go home. Next up came militant communism, and in that was the change. The country moved to be more engaged in world affairs, vowing to not let another totalitarian regime go on the march. Who else could have stood up? Europe? Bombed and battered, the Pacific? much the same. America’s leaders told us that we had to act in world affairs and we agreed. From that point on, this country acted, blunders, missteps, mistakes, and all.

    Now again, after Korea, Vietnam, Gulf Wars, and various other conflicts, this country begins to turn inward again, forgetting commitments we made round the world. An easy thing to do really. Remember in addition to the goings on among the blowhards in Washington, the average American is bombarded by news from 50 state legislatures, and 50 governors. Add to that local city government, as well as country government and that becomes quite a bit to pay attention to. Now add in family, friends, our favorite T.V. shows, Facebook and Netflix and we’ve got loads to distract us from happenings in say… New Zealand.

    American should travel more… Yes we should, but we don’t. There really is no excuse for that, we should be experiencing other cultures, listening to what people unlike us have to say. However, and I use myself as an example. Lets say I wish to visit Europe. I must drive 3 1/2 hours to get to a major airport. (I live in the West so we don’t use miles, but hours when talking distance.) So I drive to Albuquerque, then board a flight to New York. That would be $600 bucks on a great day and perhaps up to 5 more hours travel time. I’m still in country. Now I must fly across the Atlantic… Or, perhaps I will drive to a nearby state, far cheaper and I don’t gotta pay 85 bucks to Uncle Sam for a Passport.

    I just say all this to give some insight, just as I’ve gotten loads of insight from this board. If you do meet an American in New Zealand, say hi you will be rewarded with a wide smile and a hello. From reading this board, I’ll bet we’ll be relieved that someone said hello to us after wondering why everyone who passes by so far said nothing. Please don’t tell us our government sucks. First, more or less we agree with that statement already. Second Its one thing for us to criticize our own, but it raises our hackles when others do. That patriotism thing again… If we compare your country to ours, sorry we shouldn’t cause it rubs you the wrong way. We New Mexican’s don’t like being compared to Texans but people in both our states agree that everyone northeast of the Mississippi is a “Yankee.” So we don’t always understand what Yank means when you tell us that. That conjures up images in our minds images of heavy snows, congested cities and clam chowder

    Yes, we are brash, and should, display better manners. Especially when in another country. Still we think that everyone in New Zealand is great, cause we just do. If you were here we’d take you all out for dinner and a drink if you’d let us. As you speak we will be spellbound at every word you utter, no worries, we just wish we had such a great accent.

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  114. takes off reading glasses and smiles across the keyboard …. awesomely said Shawn. And just so yah know mate…if you lived closer I’d happily share my Vegemite with you.

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    • Too bad I’m so far away, I’ve never tried Vegemite. Course I’d have to return the favor by bringing along some green chilie for you to try.

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  115. CHEERS! Shawn!!!! I love Americans and adored my trip to your country…. I’m a kiwi. I love the big smiles and patriotism! And there are many many like me Here. If you ever head to NZ please email and I’ll ensure dinner and drinks… take care

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  116. I have lived in NZ for a total of 17 years. I am a dual national and hold NZ and US citizenship and travel on a NZ passport when needed. I was 1st discriminated in employment by my employer due to country of origin (USA) in 87 when I went for a manager position here in Auckland. I was told in the interview that they wanted to be seen as a “NZ company” and preferred to promote a NZ’er to the position. Years later a light bulb went off and I realized I had run into discrimination. Employment in NZ is all about who you know. Other than that they prefer locals over immigrants. There are some exceptions. IT, medical and academia. Age discrimination is really awful so if you are over 35 think really hard. In the late 80’s they used to advertise for jobs with age ranges (25-33 year old). When they passed the Human rights act that defines discrimination in employment they put country of origin, race age, gender etc. However there is no teeth to this law and violators only receive a letter from the HRC saying they have been bad. No fines etc. So employment law is skin deep. I would not consider coming to this country to seek employment unless you are in the 3 categories I mention above.
    After 17 years I still get stupid comments directed at me about the US. “they don’t know how to make coffee” “they speak slowly” “They are war mongers” etc. I gave up looking for work a few years ago.
    If you want a great climate consider Hawaii. Cheaper to live there than here.

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    • There is actually a quick and easy way for people to find out if Kiwis are willing to accept them as more than just tourists with dollars:
      (however, I am sure a lot of misinformation is thrown around to keep jobseeking non-tourists away AND to play mind-games or increase the cost of entry for those people)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_holiday_visa

      New Zealand[edit]
      Available to the following 42 countries or region, Citizens of Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Malaysia, Malta, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Singapore (6-months-work exchange programme), Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States of America, Uruguay and Vietnam.
      No working holiday visa is required for Australia citizens. All Australian citizens, regardless of their age or education (but subject to being of good character), are granted a residence class visa at the border upon entering New Zealand by virtue of the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement.[74]
      Citizens of the United Kingdom can work in New Zealand for 23 months on a working holiday visa; citizens of other countries can work up to 12 months.
      Most travellers can enroll in one training or study course of up to three months duration during their visit. Australian citizens can study in New Zealand indefinitely.[75]

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    • “Employment in NZ is all about who you know.”
      This is so true. Most relationships date back to grade school and there are lots of people that have not moved more than 100 miles from their place of birth. So, unless you’ve developed a close personal relationship with someone in a position of authority [power to hire], things will be tough. The “skin deep” apearance of doing things right is rife, not just in employment. Age discrimination is a hard one to overcome, if you have lots of experience you’d think that that would be viewed as a valuable asset.
      I’d always considered Hawaii to be one of the more expensive places to live, but I recon that you are right that Hawaii would be cheaper to live in than NZ. Maybe the same cost of living wise, but miles ahead as far as climate and quality of living.

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  117. One of my favorite quotes from Charles Barkley during the “Dream Team” Olympics:

    “Everybody in the world has an ego. The only difference between us is we have a reason to have an ego.”

    This is what and why I think that many do not like Americans. Most believe this and for many, this is true.
    Significant factor is that we can back up our egos.

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  118. I’m sad to say I’ve experienced this anti-American attitude among some of my best friends in New Zealand. I lived in NZ for four years back in the 60s, and I loved it and my friends there. I felt totally welcome and even felt assimulated. I only learned since from my Kiwi friends that we Americans were not welcome and were even viewed with some suspicion before we even arrived.

    That alone would not be enough for me to believe in the current, apparent dislike for Americans, but I still hear insults from my Kiwi friends this many years after. It hurts my feelings deeply, sometimes, but reading about the Tall Poppy Complex helps me to understand a little. Is it a national inferiority complex that makes my friends and perhaps other New Zealanders want to tear down a country such as the United States that, although far from perfect, has done so much good in the world?.

    My friends tell me they doubt the United States would come to their aid if they were ever in need. I hope they never need us, but I’m certain we’ll be there in a “New York Minute,”if they ever do.

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    • “Is it a national inferiority complex”?
      You’re on to it. Kiwis are very different when abroad. They know they’ve got to get along and generally they do. But, when you get them on home turf, watch out. They will take every advantage to make you feel not very welcome.
      It is paradoxical that the things that they love [American culture; music, fashion…] comes from a place and people they loath.
      But, don’t get me started on NZ paradox.

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  119. One of my good friends is American and because I’m a gamer and speedrunner most of my online time is spent with Americans. Never had an issue.

    As many have already said, NZ is saturated in American media loves it.

    My friend who is over in Japan now is great. He gets me on skype calls for his stream and often makes fun of my accent in a fun, good-natured way and would actually research stuff about NZ.

    Anyway, America brought us 24. You can’t argue with that. THANK YOU AMERICA.

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  120. Reading this has terrified me because I’m an American who just decided to take a gap year between high school and college in NZ. I did this so I could travel, experience different culture and see beautiful landscapes. NZ looked absolutely perfect and a peaceful place. Someone tell me I didn’t make the wrong decision because most of what I have read is negative. I’m working on getting a work visa so I won’t be totally broke, that is if I can find a job. If what I’ve read is true, I will not get a job because I’m American. I’ve put all my money into this with a organization which is suppose to help me find work and place to stay but there is no guarantee they can accommodate me. I’m worried that I will end up in a town with no job, no place to stay and in a county that dislikes/hates me. If anyone can shed some light on this please feel free. I need to know if what I want is hopeless.

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    • You will be fine. The outfit that you are going with probably has connections that will see you doing [seasonal] ag/farm/orchard work and staying in a hostel. I’ve seen this arraignment before.
      Life in NZ as a resident is vastly different than going to NZ as a tourist with a fixed departure date.
      You may still hear a few anti-American comments and hopefully they won’t grind on you.
      Whatever you do, DO NOT get “trapped”. No serious commitments and leave. The difficult part of living in NZ is the long slow grind of most of the things that you’ve been reading about on here. Short term exposure should not have any long term damage.
      NZ can be an interesting place, if only staying for a year and travelling around and you have $.

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    • Hey I’m a New Zealander and I don’t necessarily hate Americans just the way your government is run, how you guys think you are the boss of everything and your retarded gun laws. I mean seriously what is up with your nation! Every week I see a killing or two maybe more in America! It is ridiculous! when will your stupid pathetic nation wake up! Otherwise I don’t hate Americans just the way your nation is run! The only Americans I dislike are those who run your nation and the one’s who have half a brain or no brain at all!

      Thank you have a a good day/ time in New Zealand if you are hear or were.

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    • If you don’t mind me asking, what organization is helping you travel, work and stay in NZ. I am American and want to do the same thing..
      Thanks.

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    • Honestly the only reason why we (New Zealanders) are sick of people coming to our country from over sea’s is because we are a small country with limited housing and employment, Who ever made this article clearly doesn’t no that much about New Zealand, to be honest nobody really cares where your from and New Zealanders are really just people who have strong opinions in just about everything.
      and in the article is says” Cant believe how many people in the USA seem to be gullible and just not all that intelligent” That is because all we ever see from some american people are viral videos of people jump of the roof of their house, obviously you have very intelligent people it just the only thing that New Zealander’s see are stupid video’s, this article is very fake i am a New Zealander grown up here all my life and i have never heard anyone say anything about america, and most peoples dream here is to go to america

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      • So you’re saying most people in New Zealand want to go to America based on assumptions formed by watching videos of people jumping off roofs? 🙂

        Is there a gene sequence that codes for Lemming-like behaviour in the population of NZ?

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      • nobody really cares where your from and New Zealanders are really just people who have strong opinions in just about everything.
        Laidback and nonjudgemental I see. /sarcasm
        A strong opinion without concrete knowledge, some facts or reference (not some “Jackass” videos – remember, New Zealand has “Back of The Y Masterpiece Television” – would kiwis like to be judged as a whole on that?) … is simply bigotry and prejudice.

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      • “are sick of people coming to our country from over sea’s”
        You should talk to your government about this because they are out pimping NZ.
        While you’ve got their attention, could you have them change the information available to prospective migrants to mention the ” limited housing and employment”?
        ” to be honest nobody really cares where your from” That’s not really honest, heads snap when an American accent is heard, that’s not not caring. And I wouldn’t mind if it was limited to head snapping, it’s the other stuff that goes with it that is unattractive.
        ” i have never heard anyone say anything about America, and most peoples dream here is to go to America” They talk about America all the time. The last statement is true, you can see it in the envious emulation of fashion, music….
        Maybe you’ve just never “tuned” your ear and haven’t noticed, it goes on all the time.
        I’ll give you the benefit of doubt.

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        • Kiwis are pimping their own country and allowing others to buy it up as they get more money. Kiwis do not own NZ but those of Maori decent who have Moriori and Waitahe blood. These people should be charging each and every Pakeha Kiwi for pimping their land and destroying their culture and using their natural resources for capita gain. NZ is very good at pimping btw and even allows pimping in its prostitution act. If you want to know human slavery, just come to NZ and work for someone as you will be lucky to even get a bathroom break as if you are an ‘other’ plan as working 2X harder than the average kiwi who often likes to bolster themselves up and chit chat while they work. But know you must know someone to get a job here as you cannot get a job by merit unless you are a prostitute.

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    • Not as ignorant as you maybe?

      Sure there are a lot of issues, but they also have a larger population. The same level of violence would be present here if we were a larger country. In fact we already have a level of violence too high for our population, with some of the highest rates of child abuse, domestic violence, and elderly abuse on the planet. Who is sick now?

      Kiwis are not some kind of morally superior race.

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      • It’s funny, even the potus gets it wrong, perpetuating the myth that “things like this” don’t happen anywhere else. That is simply not true. Bad stuff happens EVERYWHERE, you just hear about it more from the US as lots of people like to watch them.

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    • What percentage of Kiwis dislike what Americans represent and what do they represent?

      Hasn’t the US changed the world for the better – there’d be a Japanese flag over the Beehive right now if they hadn’t.

      But when you come to think of it, are there any countries that Kiwis DO like?

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  121. I have been working with some Kiwis recently [can’t avoid it].
    Very disorganized, poor work ethic, lacking in knowledge.
    Even though I’ve got vast experience at this work, they don’t want to hear it.
    Also, picking fights about politics [gun control, shootings].
    NZ has a terrible infant mortality problem, they don’t mention that, though.

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    • “Very disorganized, poor work ethic, lacking in knowledge. Even though I’ve got vast experience at this work, they don’t want to hear it.”

      That’s one by-product of the good old tall poppy syndrome of many Kiwis as well as their tendency to gett butthurt over criticism.

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      • Good point, an ability to use criticism constructively is not something often observed in New Zealand. Its a ‘young country’ so immature thought processes are to be expected.

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          • “Young country” as in showing that they think that they know everything but are really ignorant?
            Anyone with kids knows how that plays out.

            Disorganized and unorganized. People get used to walking around looking for stuff because nobody know where anything is, waste because things get left out/can’t find, production levels down, and this is a time sensitive project. That must be kiwi ingenuity, figuring out how to waste time and $. She’ll be right?

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      • “gett butthurt over criticism”

        I’ve been very careful to not SAY anything, just DO.
        New ways of attacking problems provides faster results while achieving desired product. When given tasks, I’ll approach it with fresh methodology, and can usually out produce someone that has been doing same task for awhile [and doing it the “approved way”]. So, I can’t overtly criticize, but try and set an example that may or may not be taken up.
        Many times I’ve been asked to do something once, just so that I can be observed [to see how I’d tackle a problem] then moved somewhere else as those watching can carry on with a new methodology. Stalking horse.
        The adversarial environment is stifling and unproductive.

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    • “Very disorganized, poor work ethic, lacking in knowledge. Even though I’ve got vast experience at this work, they don’t want to hear it.”

      The good old tall poppy syndrome at play again, as well as the tendency of my Kiwis to get butthurt from criticism.

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    • It’s ALWAYS like this. Just take a look at the comments of any news site, they jump on ANY article related to problems in other countries, yet remain DEAD SILENT on any featuring kiwis as the culprits. There was a recent one where an Asian couple, sorry I don’t remember exactly, who had committed some sort of tax fraud. The kiwis were all over that. Even more recently a kiwi guy got done for the same thing, and not a single comment.

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  122. I know this has been mentioned several times here [probably by me] but reoccurrence is prompting me to mention again.
    Kiwis would really like to be Americans! Only with an occasional slip of the tongue will you hear them admit it, but this is true. With longing they say how things are better and cheaper in the States then descend into a soliloquy relating of how the US is bombing this place, they all have guns and kill each other, or some other spacious critique. But, when push comes to shove, they envy the quality of America and inwardly want to be them. Just dangle a pair of Levis or some other uniquely American product or life style [music, fashion…] and see how fast they drool over it.
    So, they are compelled to try and diminish America because they are not America, and that makes them sad.

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  123. I’m going out on a limb here.
    I still feel as though there is some remediation required and I do not relinquish that responsibility. Most that I’ve trained have appreciated my input, so I will continue to train all that will listen. Defiant, I know.

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  124. I have to admit that most kiwis that have traveled to the US are mostly agreeable and enjoy talking with Americans and telling of their trip. Kiwis that have never been anywhere seem to be the most grumpy.

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  125. NZ is a highly dysfunctional culture- it does not know what bullying is, bias, human rights violations, ethics or even allow you to get a job on merit. Impartiality does not come into the equation in life here. People act nice on the surface esp if they want you to buy something but they really do not care about you and only themselves. The country is so expensive to live that people cannot be even be generous with food. There is little hospitality in NZ and little care for others, meaning people of other cultures.

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  126. Hello everyone so my story is unusual. My father is from New Zealand and my mother is from America and so am I. My two other siblings and the rest of my family is from New Zealand. My mother and I were thinking about moving to New Zealand to be with family and i was just seeing if we would get verbally abused like some of these stories I have been reading. Comment what you think.

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  127. I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one who finds it racist when your so-called “defenders” always say “we need their money,” as if that is the only reason to be tolerant.

    In the time I’ve been here, I have formed closer bonds with my Asian friends than the Kiwi ones. We just seem to have more in common.

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  128. I’m American and recall when I first got here (St.Clair/Dunedin area), I was looking to get my hair cut. All I needed was my fringe cut and couldn’t believe it cost $75-100 for a haircut. I walked by a completely dead salon (a large one, too) with a woman sitting at the counter. I walked in, smiled, said hello and asked how much a cut would be. She said $85 without a hello or smile. I said, how much to just get my fringe cut? She paused, stone faced, then said, you have to get it ALL cut. I said, ok..thank you…and walked out. Wouldn’t you think SOME money is better than NO money? I couldn’t help but think had I been a Kiwi, she would have obliged (AND been more friendly).

    I found that the older generation seems to be nicer to me (I’m middle aged) and that making actual friends is difficult here. Generally nicer folks will have a conversation with you (ones you see often) but don’t take it any further. No invitations to do things together or share a meal. I’ve been here for a year 1/2 and can’t say I have a single Kiwi “friend.” I do quite a lot of in-person business through TradeMe with pickups and rarely has anyone acknowledged that I’m American. I’d say 1 out of 10 might mention it. Seems most couldn’t care less which is fine by me.

    I certainly don’t feel like I “belong” here or have the need to stay. Australia seems more civilized and modern than here. It never ceases to amaze me when I walk into some homes here that haven’t been updated in what feels like 50 years. You can sell carpet that’s 40 years old and people will jump on it. It’s crazy how much basic things cost here and that I perk up when the prospect of K-Mart is in view. Sad, really. I’ve lived in third world countries that are more modern than here.

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