Here’s some of the things people say about New Zealand, some of them from the forum at Trademe.co.nz:
It’s not about hating, it’s about informing. I too, struggled with 37.5 hrs of work being 40 here and having a house that was under-insulated. It just didn’t occur to me to think that is miss the central heating – NZ’s hot, right? I still miss the UK – I miss it’s history, it’s closeness to Europe, Christmas in winter, all the wonderful consumerism (tic – but the shopping is limited here). It’s all about letting potential migrants know not to look through rose tinted glasses when they consider shifting across the world. Some people live a challenge, others don’t.
BTW, I love NZ dearly and will never say a bad word about it. But, I don’t approve the lies that lure the would be emigrants. It is unethical and dishonest and creates misery for all.I wonder if the mis-information side of this, should be approached as I agree. I have known English people to sell up everything to come here and they buy places NZer’s wouldn’t touch like low lying land and places with little sunshine and NZer’s don’t warn them and no authority’s do either. A lot of immigrants regret the move but that is why sites like this is important to them. Tell the hard truth. Tell it like it is. NZer’s are not that particularly nice. Look at our statistics in suicide and violence…there is the plain cold facts.
I wonder if the mis-information side of this, should be approached as I agree. I have known English people to sell up everything to come here and they buy places NZer’s wouldn’t touch like low lying land and places with little sunshine and NZer’s don’t warn them and no authority’s do either. A lot of immigrants regret the move but that is why sites like this is important to them. Tell the hard truth. Tell it like it is. NZer’s are not that particularly nice. Look at our statistics in suicide and violence…there is the plain cold facts.
I had to move back here and while I had been told of the differences, I don’t think I really believed it until I was actually here. Knowing and actually comprehending things are totally different I think.
I left a job in the US that, on a good week, could pay nearly $2,000 after bonuses. That same job in NZ MIGHT pay $430/week with no bonuses. So what was a career choice (a job I loved) in the US, where I could save and have plenty of money to play with after paying my bills, is no choice at all here in NZ. Is it my fault for not thinking ahead? Well, maybe, but then I never ever planned to move back to NZ.
The reason why NZ is so slow to improve is because it’s residents are willing to settle. Instead of expecting more bang for their buck they have the whole “harden up” “she’ll be right” mentality.
Personally the one thing I despised most about moving here was being told to harden up. How insulting.
It’s just about a catch phrase here, though halo….hard men in rugby…hard farming life…..new country so the blood and tears of our early settler families runs thick and fast in our veins. NZ is not a place for the faint hearted and I think we are hard on immigrants as well as our EX pats returned. If anything we are getting worse. I am well travelled and as much as I love NZ, I know it takes a certain type to take to the lifestyle and that type is a unique blend of easy going, hard working, can blend in and does not rock the boat type…anything else is fodder
I think the important thing is to not have blinders on. And I think many kiwi’s have a “she’ll be right” attitude to many things.
The basic fact is, NZ is way more expensive, the quality of stuff here is appalling, food is extremely expensive, the roads are terrible, the standard of housing is shocking, heating is backwards…the list is endless.
Many people would find that if houses were insulated and had double glazing, many houses wouldn’t need to be heated to any great extent. There wouldn’t be mold, dampness and health issues. Just because you’ve lived with it before doesn’t make it right. As for renting? I lived right in Atlanta, Georgia USA and had an apartment in a very good area and my rent was $400USD a month, not a week, a month. My power bill was $80USD in the middle of winter. That’s using dryers and having heat on 24/7.
I say all this and I am a Kiwi. And to be 100% honest, if I was able, I would leave tomorrow and go back to the US. That doesn’t make me bad or wrong. It’s just that I know that I had a far better standard of living over there than I do here. Over there I could save. Here it’s a struggle to make it from one week to the next.
And I agree with many on that website…meet a kiwi abroad and they are extremely friendly. Come here to NZ and they are reserved, private and suspicious. I’ve been back for 8 years and still only have family as friends.
I love NZ and have lived here since 1973, but having just read the unhappy American story, much of what they say I find myself agreeing with, unfortunately.
Tend to agree with them that our cost of living is ridiculous as a food providing nation.Our food can be bought cheaper overseas.It’s all just big a rort, ripping off the locals for as much as they can get away.with-with Govt backing
We have travelled through Europe, America twice, Asia, Australia and are heading to Bali next week. I’m open to all cultures. I’m not living in a shitehole at present. Yes the economy is taking a hit but life here is still way better than the one we had in nz. We meet lots of nz’ers here and to be honest, every one of them is here to get ahead. They all run down this country and it’s people but when I say “why be here, go home ” they all say the same, Low wages, long hours, damn government, welfare state, can’t get ahead. You can put me down all you want but facts are facts. I’m not bagging out nz, I’m saying it how it is. Granted there’s lots of people in nz doing really well but the gap between the rich and the others is getting wider and wider. My sister-in-law in nz is a deputy principal with a degree and is paid less than me, a factory worker, seriously that is just plain wrong. We’re not all about the money but it does give us the option to live better. Nz has beautiful scenery, racing through the gorges of the south island and down the west coast on a motorbike is world beating but the scenery in other countries is still beautiful, just different. The harsh reality is you need to work to live, balance of quality of life is very important and living in nz didn’t give us that, living here does. Scenery doesn’t pay bills. Someone asked me why would I leave the beautiful scenery of nz? I said “if you live in paradise where do you go for a holiday?”
This should be a land of plenty,but houses,accommodation is pricey,jobs are few and not well paid unless you’re fortunate to be in the upper crust that looks after itself very nicely.
Lol, looking at one website about leaving the UK to come here, it’s all “minutes from the beach”, city apartments, lifestyle blocks etc. Nothing mentioned about different quality of housing (insulation etc), higher food prices, longer hours.
Yes he points out NZs faults and yes NZ does have many faults
No country is perfect and while the life stye suits some its not the life syle overseas people want or expect
There are many places in the world better than NZ it’s just what are your needs or life stye you seek
Pity there is not one country that has the best of all countries in one place
When it comes down to it, there were no lies on that website.
We have to WANT to to live here. Let’s face it, there are disadvantages but then there are advantages.
But in the end run, the place is is a broken shit hole. But it is our broken shit hole and we love it.
I know where I want to bring up my kids .
I agree with everything you say, just found the website funny.
Similar to the ads we used to have about going dairy farming in NZ. Smiling happy dad coming back to smiling wife and kiddies on a glorious summers day. Not like my in laws who were always shattered!
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Welcome to our Migrant Tales series – first hand accounts of the migrant experience of New Zealand taken from places around the net.
Today’s tale was first published on a British expats immigration forum. The author and his wife moved from Scotland to New Zealand, he works in engineering and moved to Christchurch to work in the reconstruction.
He found that the work life balance in New Zealand isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, this is something that many people are saying and he’s not alone in this.
He says the cost of living in NZ is very high, his living accommodation is worse than in Scotland and life isn’t too good even though he’s earning a bigger salary than in Scotland and his wife no longer works.
His wife (ex cabin crew) has struggled to find work, with a baby on the way is it worth staying in NZ so far away from family back home?
NZ vs UK – not all it’s cracked up to be. Is it just me?
I wanted to get other people’s opinions on their new life in New Zealand vs their old life’s in the UK. Before I begin, this is my opinion. Everyone is different and I don’t want to offend anyone. I am just wondering if my experience is the same as other people’s or are we alone.
My wife and I moved here 14 months ago from Scotland. I had an engineering job in Scotland and was earning around $60,000. My wife was cabin crew for a local airline and was earning around $28,000. We had a 3 bed victorian terrace in Dundee on the east coast of Scotland. I worked around 37.5 hours per week. My wife worked around 30 hours per week. Our family lives in Dundee and we used to see them regularly.
Due to the economic climate I felt my job wasn’t very secure and we began to explore options about moving overseas. A friend of mine had emmigrated to New Zealand a few years before and he was living in Christchurch and I had obviously heard about all the work going on as part of the rebuild so I contacted him to enquire if there was work out here. There was and after a few months and a couple of interviews I was offered a job and we moved out here.
I am working in a similar engineering role as I was back home, although I am working 45 hours a week. I am being paid around $90,000 though so with more hours comes more money. The thing is though, I was always told the work life balance in New Zealand was better than in the UK. I am working a day extra every week more than I was working back in the UK. I also get less holidays than I did in Scotland and more of my holidays here are determined by the company. I have to take 2 weeks at Christmas here whereas I only had to take 4 days leave at Christmas when I was at
home. That only leaves 2 weeks leave for the rest of the year which isn’t that much.
The cost of living here in Christchurch seems to be very high in comparison to Scotland. We are living in a 1 bed flat in the city which is only 25% cheaper than our 3 bed victorian terrace in Dundee. The quality of housing here is poor and a lot of houses don’t have double glazing or any sort of heating. They are also lacking in insulation which causes damp in the properties.
Fuel is only around 10% cheaper here than in Scotland. Second hand cars are a lot more expensive, although they do seem to last longer because they don’t salt the roads.
Food and alcohol is a lot more expensive than in Scotland. A 15 pack of beer will cost around $35 compared to around $20 in the UK. Food prices are very dependant on what’s in season. Recently tomatoes were $12/kg! Peppers (capsicums) are around $3 each. You can pick up a 3 pack in Tesco for $4!
If you want to go for a pint you are looking at paying around $8-$10 a pint. In Scotland I would be paying around $5-$6 a pint.
New Zealand is a beautiful country and I can see why people move here. It is a giant playground and because of the better weather people spend more time outdoors than they would back in Scotland. The thing is though, all the things we do here, we could do back home. Tramping, mountain biking etc. We feel that having more sunshine just isn’t enough to want us to stay here. Scotland is also a beautiful country with lots of beautiful places to visit. It does rain more often but you just learn to deal with the rain.
We are also starting to feel that it is just too far from home to stay permanently. We went home for a friends wedding in May and it cost us $10,000 for 3 weeks. There is no way we could afford to do that every year so we would maybe only manage to get home every 2 or 3 years. We would love for some of our family to move here but everyone is settled there and not everyone is earning enough money to be able to come out here every year.
We also miss having concerts or plays or shows to go and see. There isn’t a lot coming to the south island. We did go and see mumford and sons last week and it was amazing. It would be nice to have more things like that here.
My wife has struggled to pick up work since coming here and that has also been difficult. We have met some new friends but that has also been more difficult than we first thought. All our friends are expats. We find Kiwis, as friendly as they are when you initially meet them, are very reserved and private. Maybe this is just our experience or maybe this is just Christchurch, I don’t know.
My wife is now 4 months pregnant and we are at the point where we are not sure whether to stay here or go home and be closer to our family so we have support for the baby coming. We would love for our baby to get citizenship here so it had options when it was older but we don’t want
to sacrifice our happiness in the process.
Are we the only people who feel like this? Have other people been through similar feelings/emotions when moving here? How did you get through it or did you decide that it wasn’t for you? We were just surprised because we had heard so many wonderful things about NZ before we came and when we got here it wasn’t the same as we thought it would be.
Thank you in advance for your comments. I look forward to hearing all of your experiences and how you dealt with the massive changes involved in moving overseas.