MIGRANT TALES

Migrant Tales from New Zealand

Migrant Tales from New Zealand

What’s it really like to live in New Zealand?

Welcome to our series of Migrant Tales – hundreds of immigrants’ stories and tales about New Zealand that contain first hand accounts of the migrant experience gathered from various places around the net, plus some that have been sent in by readers.

New tales are being added all the time, to read the latest click here: E2NZ.org/tag/Migrant-Tales  there are hundreds to chose from.

What better way to find out what it’s like to live in New Zealand but from the experiences of others, the more you read the more you’ll see themes, patterns and commonalities emerging, from these you’ll have a good feel about how you’re going to fit-in to the country.

Some of the recurrent themes we’re seeing are

  • Low salaries
  • Problems finding work, overseas qualifications not recognised by Kiwi employers
  • Xenophobia, racism, bigotry and discrimination
  • Expensive, poor quality accommodation
  • Problems with the education standards
  • A lackadaisical attitude towards safety and security
  • Feeling that NZ is actively mis-sold to outsiders
  • Isolation, missing family, friends, old lifestyles etc.
  • Crime and a frustration with the way its dealt with
  • High cost of living -especially food, “Rip off NZ” etc.
  • Lack of culture
  • Dangerous roads and drivers, drinking and driving, hoons
  • No future for kids, older kids feel isolated and cut-off from friends and family, no support networks.
  • Bullying problems in schools and workplaces, harden-up attitude, not knowing where to turn for effective counselling services
  • The ‘Kiwi way’, ‘WWINZ’ (won’t work in NZ) small mindedness, #8 wire mentality, etc.

If you’ve already emigrated to New Zealand these tales may help you to realise that other people are having the same problems as you and you’re not alone in your experiences.

Do you think you were misled before you emigrated to New Zealand, are there things you know now that would’ve prevented you from emigrating if you’d been aware of them?

There is also another section of tales  called “What Kiwis say about NZ“ you may find it useful to know what New Zealanders are saying about their own country.

A Selection from our Migrant Tales

Migrant Tales – NZ v. UK Not All Its Cracked up to be

Migrant Tales – Californian Says Goodbye Windy Welly, Hello Sunny Sydney

 “Do you think this country is too far gone?”

Migrant Tales – the story of John Doe and Kimiko Suzuki

Migrants Tales – Back in New Zealand but for How Long?

Migrant Tales – Ripoff NZ Not a Shangri-La of Utopian Values

Migrant Tales – Nebula’s Tale

Migrant Tales – “Shall I Make the Move? Take the Risk” and Advice to Intending Colonists

Migrant Tales – Why We’re Leaving. If New Zealand offered a “great lifestyle” the place would have filled to the brim a long time ago

Migrant Tales – The Ugly Underbelly of Te Anau (Updated)

Migrant Tales – Engineer says New Zealand is “not a place to work”

Time to leave Queenstown

There’s a club and you’re not in it

Justice New Zealand Style

Binge Drinking The Bane Of The Culture And NZ Is A Nation of ‘MJ’ Smokers

British Cop in Northland: NZ’s “Crime Statistics a Work of Fiction”

Hong Kong Chinese: Moving to New Zealand is a Big Mistake

NZ Not The Land Of Promise For Me

Teaching in New Zealand and the NCEA

The UK Plumber’s Tale (updated)

British Sparky Can’t Find Work (updated)Do not teach in New Zealand you may live to regret itGoodbye New ZealandNZ Promised Land?

England is the Best Place for Us Riots and All

Get Out of New Zealand or Die on the Street

New Zealand Culture is Brutal, Something is Seriously Wrong

New Zealand is a Dump

I am young and I want to get out, Can you help me?

Brit Feeling “Foreign” In New Zealand. How About You?

Attention Nurses! You’re Getting a Rough Deal in NZ

Some of the Memories We Will Take Back With Us to Scotland

Winter is Coming and New Zealand Homes are Dank and Full of Draughts

“NZ vs UK – not all it’s cracked up to be. Is it just me?”

Foreign IT Workers Need Not Apply There Is No Shortage

Six years in New Zealand now I’m back in France

Indian Professional Faced Discrimination

Adele’s Story – Kids falling light years behind – A British mother’s tale

How resilient are we?  a New Zealand immigrants perspective

House buying and divorce laws – A British woman’s Tale

An insiders view of the tertiary education sector in New Zealand  – An American’s Tale

I Want Out : An American’s Tale

Immigrant Kid: A Hong Kong Chinese Tale (Chinese)

NZ, What’s To Miss? : A Canadian’s Tale

Green Migrants Beware of New Zealand’s Underbelly

This Is Why I Didn’t Like New Zealand: A British Tale

Why We Left New Zealand: An American Couple’s Tale

Chinese Student @ Otago

Civil Engineer Now Cleaning Ovens in NZ: A Filipino’s Tale

New Zealand Is Draining The “Me” Out Of Me: An American’s Tale

Expat In Christchurch Post Quake

New Zealand Expo, no it wasn’t

A culture of good enough will do

Perhaps We’re Just Unlucky But It’s Too Much. We’re Done Here

I’m cutting myself after move across the world – letter from a teenage girl living in NZ sent to a UK newspaper

Living Costs For One Person In NZ v. USA

Teaching in NZ – a migrant’s exit interview

Renting houses in NZ – a manual

Another work to resident visa issued from Shanghai

Effects of Christchurch quakes on expats

No Science or Skills Shortage in New Zealand

Trapped in NZ – father won’t let child leave

If you doubt discrimination in NZ read this…

Close minded Kiwis ruined NZ for us

100% Pure Rip Off

An American’s take on rip-off New Zealand

Studying in New Zealand

6 Years in, Stay or Go?

Two and a half years in New Zealand – NZ like South Dakota

What’s it REALLY like in New Zealand?

Heading home after 3 years

No work in Blenheim, moved to Christchurch

Education

New Zealand is like a postcard – “no sense of history or magic here”

7 months in and no work for tradesman husband

Three weeks in. An American’s first impressions of New Zealand

Teacher duped by the hype, couldn’t find work

Refuge from NZ found in a Muslim country

Why are people leaving NZ?

Economic suicide

UK qualifications not recognised

What we wished we’d known

NZ a more dangerous, more violent place

We chose to go with New Zealand. BIG MISTAKE

NZ without a job offer

Lastly, don’t forget to read the pages “What Kiwis say about NZ

109 thoughts on “MIGRANT TALES

  1. Hi. I’d like to add a new post to your “Migrant Tale” but cannot find any way to do this (save for adding a comment here as I’m doing now, but that’s not exactly the same thing… )

    If you could help me create a post, I’d be most grateful.

    Thank you.

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    • Hi Steve, you could make your post in the comment section. We’ll copy it and put it in its own Tale. Feel free to say how you’d like it presented.

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      • I migrated to New Zealand for better prospectus. Being Indian and Asian, I clearly find that there is something wrong with job situation there and sincere advice not to migrate as people seems not easy going as it looks by face value. Immigration long or short list is caveat to attract students and graduate search visa is money minting policy. I graduated M.Eng. from top university with 18 years experience in construction and was unable to find nothing related to my field. The market is dull with government extracting millions of rupees from innocent Indians and Chinese students. After earthquake, there is influx of many students with liberal policies extracting money, money, money.

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  2. I am a Malaysian Chinese living in NZ since 2004. I came upon this site by accident and I so appreciate everything that’s posted here. I love New Zealand for its beautiful landscape and the beaches but life and survival is more than just the beautiful country. I very much would like to get in touch migrants like me who have felt ‘cheated’ and ‘humiliated’ to some extent living in this country. Being Malaysian, we are more multi-national, we do not clique so I believe it is healthy and encouraging to have a group of migrants wherever we are from to come together as a friendship group for a get-together cup of tea or something like that. Wonder what is the level of interest here. Cheers & tks for reading.

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  3. Hi Jess, welcome and thanks for your comments, you sound as if you have a lot in common with many other migrants in New Zealand. Yes, you’re right a country needs a great deal more than just beautiful scenery.

    May I suggest, if you haven’t already done so, a visit to one of our source sites – the forum at http://www.expatexposed.com where you’ll find a lot of like minded people.

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  4. I went through this site anf honestly im shoked, my uncle has been living in NZ for 4 jears and he said he would never return to the RSA, he is a head master at A high skool and his wife is a teatcher at the same skool. He aso sead that living kost is the same as RSA but futher every thing is cheaper, now my Q is what are thes poepels talking about.

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    • Hi Louw. Would love to help you understand but I’m a little confused by your question. To what are you referring to by “what are thes peopels talking about” ?

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    • Louw I have been living in NZ for the past five years and it has been an absolute financial nightmare. Immigrants are cash cows and will you will bleed money. If you want to survive you will have to simplify your life and learn to live with the bare minimum and I mean the “absolute” bare minimum. Unfortunately you will then still have to live with the xenophobia and bullying. Before making up your mind go and look at http://www.expatexposed.com/
      Unfortunately there are South Africans that lie through their teeth about how wonderful this “pit” is. I confronted a friend of mine and he said that we should try to create “critical mass” by convincing as many South Africans as possible to come here!! Do yourself a favor and go to Canada!

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        • apparently staff getting suicidal or suicide in French telecom and telecom nz speaks much about the similar situation in this same industry – people are stressed out and torn apart by rude chaotic management. so weather is just one small issue – I think the people and economic livelihood are more important.

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    • Hi Louw,
      It is definately more expensive here. Only electronics are comparable to their price in SA. Food and all other basics are more expensive. Houses are very expensive for the size and durability. New cars are cheaper as is insurance if you do not live in Canterbury. Teaching, police and nursing salaries are far better here than is RSA. The rest of salaries are lower. Maybe their better salaries as teachers off set their increased cost of living?…

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    • HI louw .. I am shoked too thank for your mail .. iwould like to get more feed back from South Africans in NZ . I am planing to move to NZ in a couple of months . Stories that i have heard was all good ..

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  5. I think what Louw is trying to say is that his uncle is very happy in NZ and that he doesn’t understand what people are talking about when they say NZ is expensive, as that is not his uncle’s experience. I think I can answer at least some of the question. I will do it in Afrikaans for Louw’s benefit: jou oom en tannie vind dit nie duur nie omdat hulle in die onderwys werk. Onderwysers word baie goed betaal in NZ en werk ook nie naastenby so hard soos in ander dele van die wereld nie. Dinge het ook heelwat verander in die laaste paar jaar vir immigrante. ‘n Paar jaar gelede was daar heelwat werk en Suid-Afrikaners is maklik aangestel, maar nou, as gevolg van onder andere die wereldwye finansiele krisis, is dinge heelwat anders. Immigrante word nog steeds na NZ gelok met beloftes van ‘n wonderlike lewenstyl want die immigrasieproses kos duisende dollars en NZ se regering wil daardie geld nog steeds hê, maar die realiteit is dat daar nie eintlik werk is nie en die plaaslike bevolking verwelkom beslis nie immigrante nie.
    A quick translation of that is that I think his relatives have a different experience because they are teachers and teachers are paid relatively well in NZ. Things were also probably quite different for immigrants to NZ when they arrived, before the financial crisis hit, but right now in NZ, there is very little work and immigrants are not welcomed with open arms by the local population. Despite this, the government continues to attract immigrants with empty promises because they still want the thousands of dollars immigrants have to cough up to be assessed for work visas/residency

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  6. All you have to do is post your story here in the comments section and then tell us how you’d like it to be presented on the blog.

    We can either leave it in the comments and / or transfer it to a page of its own, as well as giving it a slot on the daily postings part of the blog.

    You can also post updates to it in the same way.

    You’re also completely free to promote your posting outside of this site if you chose to.

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  7. Hitler Downfall parody

    “Hitler realises moving to New Zealand was a mistake and a total irreversible waste of his life”

    officer 1: “Our plan is to drive north from the CBD to Cremaine Avenue, then south to Te Awk Awk Street, East on Balmoral and then down Wellsford Line.”

    Hitler: “Yes, yes….and for later, I am sure you have checked the Events Calendar and found something of interest….”

    (looks and gulps exchanged)

    officer 1: “Mein Fuhrer…there is…”

    officer 2:”…there is nothing else to do in town, the Between-the-World-Wars Ceramic Mugs, Bowls and Teapots exhibit moved to Wastings last night.”

    officer 1, rushing to continue: “so tomorrow on our volunteer day after we take those meals around to Mrs. Gaylene Cooke, Mrs. Raewyn Smythe, Mr. Graham Davies, and Miss Lynnette Muranga….”

    Hitler: “that should occupy only part of the morning. We can then drive to Whukahaka, known as the double rainbow capital of New Zealand and famed for its myriad coloured arcing bands…and that Potikitiki Jumping Jellybeans Romp, I have been looking forward to that….

    officer 1: :”Mein Fuhrer…the Potikitiki Romp is a play group for toddlers, and last time you went to a playgroup, none of the Kiwi mums would speak to you….”

    Hitler: (pausing, sigh) ….”Och ja….there are youtubes, Toy Story, Cars and Ice Age 3…and there is always more DIY to do, the lounge needs insulating…”

    officer 2, in frightened rush of words: “Thousands of properties on the terrace on our side of the river are right under the proposed wind farm, and yours is one of them. The estate agent never warned you. Your property is so devalued you will never be able to sell it. It would not be worth the trouble to refurbish! And you cannot transfer your pension back to the UK!”

    (SILENCE….)

    staring at desk, hands shaking, removing glasses…

    then

    “Stay. If you have not left for Oz yet. (name), (name), (name)…”

    (people file out)

    “ALLES! NUR EIN MÄRCHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    (now refer to E2NZ MIGRANT STORIES for a carpet chewing rant of your choice!)

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  8. Pommie-haters await you, British migrants.
    Aren’t a few more cracks in their clown makeup showing over there? 8-D
    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=709066&page=9

    “I know exactly where you chaps are coming from. This is the shock when the honeymoon period is over and you realize what it is like to live in a foreign country. In my line of work we have around five foreign lads i look at them and the way others (not all) speak and treat them and you know what i can see myself in N.Z. i was too getting the same treatment. I remember in one place they brought a lad over from England to manage a department. The Kiwis and i mean the majority just took the piss acted sullen, and that was because they were not having a Pom telling them what to do. Having worked in many jobs this was the rule. It is hard over there and once you make your bed (of nails) like as been said you must lie on it. To leave home to be met with hostility, nastiness, and the like is just not acceptable. You can show as much allegiance to N.Z. as you like you are still in their eyes a foreigner. I also lived in many suburbs stretching from the Hibiscus Coast to the North Shore so i couldnt blame one street etc.”

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    • Hi I am an expat that has conducted health and safety training in various parts of NZ. I also had experiences with NZ’ers that were a bit nasty, but I gave them as good as they did and a mutual respect was developed over time as I did not back down. I do want to emphasize that most of these people only do what you would do in your own country….”would you be satisfied if any expat managed your workplace in your country”. come on this is not normal in all cases but it does occur in all countries.
      Peace out

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      • mutual nastiness. at last!!!! the solution to lasting happiness in NZ

        i wouldnt care who managed the workplace in my country all i ask is that they are good at their job and not nasty

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      • In most developed countries, the threat of consequences is sufficient to deter nastiness and incompetence. In New Zealand, this is not the case. There are no consequences, so people do not “have” to do anything unless they will be directly, personally affected by not doing it. Very low on the morality hierarchy scale. We are living in the U.S. after some years spent in New Zealand, and the politeness of people is like a balm to our nerves. You should not have to keep hitting back on a daily person to person basis to prevent mistreatment of yourself by other “normal people”. This may be New Zealand culture, like it may be Yanomamo culture. But it is not average human normal..

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    • The “strategies” are very transparent.
      First, blame the victim.
      Next, say you “should have been elsewhere”.
      Then, say that it’s highly unlikely that happened in that place, “only poor people do that!”
      Notice the complete lack of remorse.

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  9. Thank you for this site, which is useful to read, if negative. I wanted to add something because it appears this site would be the place to add it. We were looking for information on what New Zealand was like to live in, and were told by a friend of a friend who had lived there for several years and returned, verbatim, “I found Kiwis in daily life, once you tried to break into their circles, to be world-class unfriendly. I have spent enough time in other countries to make that assessment. I broached this with a psychologist who lived there but was from elsewhere. He agreed that the stuckness of inhabitants there maintained the high school clique mentality and the resulting artificial restriction of status (as dictated by the same assholes as we remember from high school). Very odd”. He moved back to the U.S. and settled in Chicago.

    The risk of not liking it or not faring well, as described by those who had returned from a long stay there, combined with the high costs of settling, led us to decide not to move to New Zealand. There are those who have made a successfull move there, but in the end, we did not want to take the chance that we would be among those who did not find it to their taste.

    For the same reason we do not order exotic foods we have never tried before when we go to expensive restaurants!

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  10. Hi ex Kiwi dwellers
    My family and I too had spent more than 10 years in Auckland, the biggest city and now we are out of that ‘rural and backwards’ place. We are back in Europe and enjoying a better quality of life. I used to cringe going to work in the morning with the old buses to town. They were smelly, dirty and on some winter days, there were no lights working inside the bus and the heating was off…so I crouched myself in the seat with a beanie on, thick scarf and tried to keep warm…these horrible experiences had left a mark in my mind till today…it is like ‘abuse’ to my physical self.
    Coupled with the low wages and the inevitability of not going higher up in the career cos they prefer to give upper end jobs to their own blonde Kiwis, we are happy to return. Having read others’ comments, we totally agree that Kiwis just make do with whatever they have, like going to second hand shops , getting stuff at flea markets and trying to repair their own tools or even cars to save money.
    There is also a stark gap now between the have-nots and the haves…when we first went there, we gave some food to our neighbours and the new plate we put the food in, never came back. Even in school, other kids pinched cake boxes back to their own homes even though they knew they belonged to someone’s else. Our next door neighbour thought they should send their kids to our house so that their kids and our kids can play together and keep them out of mischief but when the visits became daily and hours long, it became really annoying and we felt a sense of losing our privacy. Telling them not to come became a bitter pill and eventually we had to shift away…but such behaviour should be curtailed by the parents….instead of letting them climb over fences and jumping in…..Do we call this ‘village behaviour’?
    Also, the people resort to spitting their saliva in people’s faces. We heard that a jewellery owner was spat on by a Kiwi and he never experienced that in his homeland. We experienced a Polynesian man spitting out to our car ( luckily our windows were up) as we were a bit slow in turning on the road…Also, we had another incident with the many roundabouts in Auckland by driving into the circle but an old junk car driven by an aggressive foul mouthed Polynesian man banged into us and screaming at us….it frightened the wits out of us that he wanted to beat us up. Our car was damaged and we had to pay $ to get it fixed.
    We did not bother to report to the police as it would not had got the man into any trouble.
    The Kiwis cannot spell properly too and when we were just new, our landlord would issue us a receipt and he always spelled ‘reciept’ for many months even though he was true bred Kiwis. They also do not know their ‘ its’ or ‘ it’s ‘ ,and always missing their apostrophes……they might be able to speak well but could not write well so the kids growing up there will suffer in the long run. The lack of homework is another problem for the kids as they find it hard to cope with more ‘assignment’ type work required. As one mother said, her two boys were attending school but they seem to be in the ‘sports club’. Kids have not learnt to ‘study’ and they will find difficulty to really having to spend time memorizing stuff …as there is no escape in academic studies that some subjects needed to be memorized and learnt….

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  11. Send us your tired, your wretched, your poor, your…there go the WALL STREET BANKERS? To New Zealand? Hell, they are the only people who might be able to afford to live there.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/56178/thursdays-top-10-nz-mint-safe-haven-wall-st-bankers-nz-low-us-rates-not-working-and-cr

    John Phelan, co-founder of MSD Capital LP, a New York-based fund that manages assets for billionaire Michael Dell, said “the whole capitalist system is being called into question.”
    Phelan said he’s worried about “social unrest.” “My taxes are going up,” he said. “Everybody hates me. I have two friends who bought land in New Zealand. They’re trying to convince me to go.” He isn’t planning to visit. “I’m not one of those extreme people,” he said.

    Crack open the barbecue sauce, here come the fattest juiciest Yanks on Earth, walking right into our starving maws with the rest of their money!

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  12. Visited NZ in 2002 where I met & proposed to my wife. Moved to NZ in 2003 & stayed until 2010 when moved to Aussie.
    NZ is a great place, but not a perfect place. There are many pluses & minuses when weighed up against the other places I have lived. If you want to fully experience New Zealand & understand Kiwi people, unless you are very wealthy you must work. But first you must find a job. Not that easy. If you like rugby, it is the BEST place in the world.
    The country is stunningly beautiful, yes, it is clean & green when compared to many places. But it is also dangerous. Not particularly dangerous, but dangerous because it is inhabited by human beings, the worlds most lethal predator. Let’s not forget, Evil takes many forms and one of it’s favoured forms is the form of the human being. Evil is not racist, it can posses black & white, male & female. Many horrible deeds are perpetrated by humans inhabited by evil in New Zealand, just as they are perpetrated the world over. Don’t leave kids or animals unattended, don’t hitch-hike, don’t do silly reckless things which may open the door for evil. But this is exactly the same advice you must follow regardless of where you live in the world. Be on guard against evil men. New Zealand has lovely water, great food, reasonable weather & Kiwi people are generally helpful, friendly & kind. But just be careful, don’t drop your guard. Evil lives there, just as it does anywhere human beings can be found.

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  13. I was a migrant with little money, got shit job, made some great freinds, saved when I could, done some investing, got a better job, got married, had kids, done more investing, quit work manage my portifolio, go overseas every year with the family. Have a lovely house wuth great veiws, have a supportive community that I am actively involved in, NZ is Great.

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  14. Hi,

    My name is Kartick from India. I have spend two years in Germany and Austria for my master study. Now I got selected for PhD study in university of auckland, new zealand with financial assistance. When I saw their room rents, it’s really shocking. I lived in munich and vienna, the accommodation there with full facilities around 350 euros/month. I would like to have your comments. Further when I saw the previous comments I am reconsidering whether should I go there or not.

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  15. Kartick – it is horribly expensive and there are no jobs. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone but wealthy people who like outdoor sports.

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  16. I had such a good laugh from reading this blog! Wow! I could have written some of these adaption horror stories myself!

    I emigrated to NZ in April 2011 with my partner and high school graduate son. We settled in and bought a small block of land just North of Christchurch. I was lucky enough to find employment through Seek before arriving. This was with the multi national company that I had worked for in South Africa. While I am very grateful to have found employment so easily, the job title was misleading and I have found myself back where I was in 1997 in South Africa in both role and renumeration. I was very disillusioned at first but have resolved to be grateful for the opportunity while striving to do really well in my role. I will then either move up or on to another company (or country, lol!). It was really hard to have to tolerate being taught how to suck eggs again. I also seem to have threatened a few people at work and have been through my share of work place bullying. There was very little sincere personal concern or interest in me or my relevant past experience. The only exception to this was from a senior management member, also an immigrant, who asked how I was coping on a work and personal level. The job was ironically the most difficult area for me. I found the division EXTREMELY political, full of innuendoes, back stabbing and gossip with a total aversion to direct communication… I have made the conscious decision not to take this as the Kiwi norm… Im hoping I was just unlucky and greener pastures await me😉

    I am in sales and it took the majority of my customers about 6 months to let their guard down. My foreignness honestly seemed to scare the sweet bejesus out of some of them! There were luckily exceptions to the rule. The diversity of SA society definitely makes South Africans more accepting of subtle differences like accents…,

    Its sad to read how the Kiwis are portrayed in a basically negative light. We have been blessed with several eccentric but truly generous and caring Kiwi friends so far. Yes, Kiwis relate very differently to what we are used to. I would almost say that they appear to have a lack of good manners. But its generally not intended badly. They are hesitant to invite one over, but once you crack into their worlds they are good friends who will help wherever possible. There is a fascinating culture of almost barter sharing, if one has a bit extra of something they will voluntarily share it and it is appreciated and expected that you do the same in return. This extends to borrowing tools, skills and labour etc as well. This is the principle of all friendship, but I have found it to be very noticeable here. So yes, we encountered several Kiwis that seemed frightened of strangers and some that were really welcoming and curious. I do find that there is a huge lack of depth in conversation though… It is a stark contrast when one encounters another European or UK immigrant and one can discuss more abstract or diverse topics.

    The Kiwis I encounter are basically considerate, civilised people who share the same social and moral values that I have. Crime is very low and minor compared to the unnecessary brutality in South African society. The Kiwis generally care about social issues and animal welfare. Free Range Eggs sell at 4 times the price of cage eggs, yet Kiwis are prepared to pay more due to the principle involved. That in a country with very expensive food and low wages. When the Rena Ship was wrecked off the North Island Coastline there were droves of volunteers to help clean up the oil spill. When a lost penguin found itself on a beach eating sand as there was no ice to quench its thirst, many veterinary procedures later saw its body cleared of sand and it was shipped back to Antarctica. This due to public demand. The way in which the Christchurch community stood together during and after the quakes was also an eye opener. So I can still see the good in these folk, even if they battle with my strangeness and tend to bully and undermine on a personal level on occasion. Oh, and swindle too, especially if you have a foreign accent and seem ignorant. I chalk this up to the few bad apples to be found amongst all humans.

    The medical, chiropractic and dental practitioners I have encountered to date have been a serious disappointment! Dentists are virtually unaffordable and many middle aged Kiwi men have several missing teeth as a result! I still see my SA dentist and Chiro once a year, the saving supplements the cost of my air ticket.

    The flimsy plasterboard and pink insulation (if your lucky) expensive homes are an issue. I appreciate light weight and flimsy as the whole country is a ticking time bomb for earth quakes. I bought a solid but uninsulated old wooden house. Im enjoying renovating it myself. Its very small but cosy due to my topping its insulation up. As for the mouldy homes, they mouldy because most people never open a window. Mine was horrid when I bought it, but I air it well during the day and the problem is almost totally resolved.

    DIY building materials cost the earth here! Too many greedy middlemen I think! Paint costs three times what the same brand costs in SA. Screws and odd bits also hellishly dear by comparison! Someone is making a super profit! I was initially told its because the market is so small here! Thats BS! With most homes in Christchurch needing fixing after the quake its now a HUGE market!

    It pays to shop from one Special to another. You cannot just go to a store and shop for a big purchase or you could land up paying 60% more than at the store offering it on Special this month!

    There is also a huge informal sector of the market selling second grade items for 80% less than normal retail price! You learn about these opportunities through your Kiwi friends as they are seldom advertised and are quickly snapped up by word of mouth.

    I am enjoying living, albeit really leanly, on my 5 ha piece of land. I no longer need to fear violent rural crime. I pay stiff Taxes but these are offset by growing my own veggies and having a huge freezer full of meat from my farm critters that thrive on the green grass. I miss the Wild Animals of Africa but in the same breath, nothing hunts my sheep or chickens.

    Its very different from South Africa… Mother Nature is a real adventure here! Earth Quakes, volcanic hot springs, floods, snow, you name it! Its also a lot colder but sunny enough. The scenery is stunning and largely unspoilt.

    Its not a booming metropolis and I really miss my friends and family. I have to remind myself not to be too hard on my new friends as they are just that, new…. It will no doubt take time to build deeper friendships.

    My partner is keen to get citizenship and move on to Australia. He misses a more vibrant economy with the resulting perks of larger homes etc. I am making the best of each day and enjoying the many good things that are here to be enjoyed for now.

    Our son is fitting in well as he plays rugby and has made friends through his club. He is enjoying a gap year before studying and is working for a good (for a youngster without debt or responsibilities) wage as a house painter in Christchurch. This is an opportunity he would not easily have had back in South Africa. He has saved for a first car and an air ticket back to SA to visit friends and family.

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  17. If you could please put this on your main page I would really appreciate it as I don’t want it happening to anyone else.

    I came to New Zealand 5 years ago. It’s really tough, tough to write this but it has to get out there for others.

    I was assaulted on my property almost a year ago.

    I asked a man to get off my property, he then decided that he should shoved me in the throat instead. One of his other friends then decided to jump over my fence and punch me. At that point 4 other men jumped over the fence with him. The offender punched me again and again but I defended myself and I stopped him but instead of brutally hurting him, once he stopped I stopped. I walked away going back into the house, and as I did with my back turned the man attacked me again pulling me off my balcony, and he continued hitting me a few more times.

    The court gave the man 60 hours community service and a $200 fine.

    The man came onto my property and seriously assaulted me and this is what the judge thought was appropriate- until this happens to a judge, a lawyer or an MP, this will not change. BTW judges and MP’s just got another pay raise at Christmas. For What???

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8105186/MPs-judges-receive-Christmas-pay-rise

    The man was so drunk he couldn’t recall the incident. He had priors and even laughed at the justice system on facebook that he didn’t go to rehab as the court ordered him previously. I presented this evidence and much more, along with the fact that the man who started the incident also bragged on facebook that he assaulted a man previously and only got a slap on the wrist. Well, both men got a slap on the wrist again.

    To anyone reading this. This country is not safe, do not come here. I’ve lived in bad neighborhoods and in different countries for my work but have never been attacked until I came to New Zealand. If you have children read this:

    http://www.nzinstitute.org/index.php/ownershipsociety/paper/more_ladders_fewer_snakes_two_proposals_to_reduce_youth_disadvantage/

    Please look in the paper, every weekend someone is either killed or hurt by a group of drunken men. Police are even attacked by gangs of people, because they clearly are not afraid of the police here. 5 police were attacked over the 2012 Christmas holiday. Tourist and immigrants are killed and assaulted at an alarming rate here.

    Murders get 10 years and continue offending:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10858313

    another murderer here:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8150852/Convicted-murderer-breaches-parole

    Boy racers do what they want as they too gets slaps on the wrists and massive fines wiped from their records:

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/boy-racers-dodging-millions-dollars-in-fines-5320692

    They even kill people and only get only home detention:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10805095

    He stole the car and killed someone and only got 6 months home detention.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7356975/Home-detention-for-killing-young-mum

    Either Kiwi’s are scared, working too hard to prop up the bludgers, or they just don’t care- maybe a combination of all three.

    I know some people will say well go home if you don’t like it, you’re right, nothing should ever change for the betterment of society. Near top of the OECD for child killings and suicides. Good on you, you’re right New Zealand, you shouldn’t change a thing.

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  18. New Zealand is a typical developed country with a large welfare state. In that sense, it is no worse than Britain and most of Europe and a great deal better than Latin America. Many of its problems are shared by virtually every other Western country.

    If you are in a profession with a limited number of openings, the chances are high that you will have to go abroad to make your way. Someone in Oklahoma might have to move to California for the same reason.

    My gripe about the place is the sense of humour – or lack of one. Entertainment in New Zealand involves getting as drunk as possible as fast as possible and behaving as much like a pig as possible.

    Kiwi blokes do this every weekend, giggle about it for the rest of the week and then repeat the process the following Friday night. It’s pitiful.

    The women are worse.

    There is nothing less appealing than a drunken Kiwi skank. The men restain themselves a bit because they don’t want to get beaten up. The taboo against hitting women is still strong and so the girls show no restraint.

    Even when sober, the average Kiwi’s default position is spitting, snarling, foulmouthed spite. Kiwis are also slavishly PC – which is another word for conformist. A live and let-live attitude, less drunkenness and a self-deprecating sense of humour would transform the place.

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  19. Please read “Traumatised Nurse flees New Zealand” an article which appeared in the New Zealand Herald newspaper on 7 April 2013 and which concerns the treatment of a British nurse by Tairawhiti District Health (Gisborne Hospital). To any nurse thinking of coming to work for Tairawhiti District Health – think very carefully. This could have been you.

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  20. It is sad that so many people have had a hard time settling in NZ as leaving your home country is a very difficult and painful thing to do. After 4 years in NZ we went home to try again but came back to NZ and have settled this time. We have always been taken aback at how kind and helpful the kiwis have been to us and we have made good friends in the farming area we are in. Every day we are grateful for the peace and beauty that surround us and we are glad to be here where we can at last have a life with some future.

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  21. My name is peter kiley. My book titled Persecuted in New Zealand A Migrants Story should interest you. Our 17 year unresolved family issue of human rights abuses, oppression and suppression against us has been carried out by successive New Zealand Crown Governments and lawyers. I can post you a free CD of my book.

    The Powerful Bullies who destroyed us for 17 years are the St Clair Vineyard Ibbotson Family, the MDC- Marlborough District Council, the NMDHB- Nelson Marlborough District Health Board, the Awatere Settlers Association, successive Central New Zealand Governments and its agencies, and the Law Firm Gascoigne Wicks. Of course many will delete this email as if nothing happened, but in fact the above named are all guilty but are too powerful for any Lawyer to take on. Also are the above named going to pay out compensation to myself and my family within the next 2 months, if not then I need to recieve full remission for any actions I might commit against the above named. In the UK we had never experienced any bullying like this at all, so this was all new to us here in New Zealand.
    http://www.publishme.co.nz/shop/persecutedinnewzealandamigrantsstory-p-647.html
    facebook.com/petekileywww
    twitter.com/peterkileywww
    View Youtube stclairvineyardspraydrift which resulted in the pesticide poisoning of myself and my family.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/stclairspraydrift\l
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNCGC0zgD7c
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8YvfnKAURUYoutube
    My two daughters have previously recieved a sickness benefit and have had councelling over this issue and are still entitled to counselling, and could recieve a sickness benefit to this day from our family doctor. My daughters struggle on and are both gainfully employed. I as their father can do nothing to ease their plight. With all they have been through I know they are still having health and psychological problems and are hurting inside, I wont go into to much detail as its personal. If my compensation is paid out it will enable me to support them financially as I know its a struggle for them to work full time. Only then would I be able to hold my head up high and become a worthy father to them at long last.
    The St Clair Vineyard owners. The poisoning, abusing, souless Ibbotson Family have not been brought to justice over this issue. They will now show penance for what they have done to my family over a period of 17 years. They will now sell all of their Property and Vineyard interests. They will then put the monies recieved into my two daughters bank accounts. The Ibbotson Family should then live for the following 17 years in relative poverty, stress, turmoil, trauma, and beget health issues as we have done.
    Contact Details. Peter Kiley 17 Nursery Lane Seddon Marlborough New Zealand. Landline 03-5757778. Cell 02102684499 email catherinelouise@xtra.co.nz
    The title of my book is Persecuted in New Zealand A Migrants Story. http://www.publishme.co.nz/shop/persecutedinnewzealandamigrantsstory-p-647.html
    Its fair to say that over a period of 16 years most Marlborough Vineyards, and many thousands of so called important People, Governments, Political Parties, Law firms, Institutions, Universities, Organisations, Corporations such as the BBC who at one stage offered to help us, Societies,Trusts, TV, News Media, Book Stores, and Religions globally have been emailed many times about this issue and have prefered to stay quiet and ignore our plight, ( They know who they are ). I will leave you, and them with this quote, “If you see Injustice and say nothing, you have taken the side of the Oppressor”. Desmond tutu.
    Now im asking all those who ignored our issue to redeem themselves and contact the MDC – Marlborough District Council and the New Zealand Prime Minister John Key, and also the St Clair Vineyard owners the Ibbotson family asking them to pay out compensation to my family forthwith.
    This also proves our case against the New Zealand Government. Re: Tortious interference. The Justice Holt wrote for the court that “where a violent or malicious act is done to a man’s occupation, profession, or way of getting a livelihood, there an action lies in all cases.”
    My book, and summary is featured on page 8 of the January/February 2012 edition of the ORGANIC NZ MAGAZINE. The editor tells me that thousands of readers would have my article, we never received any feed back whatsoever.
    Yours sincerely Peter kiley. dated 13 Jan 2012.
    Contact Details. Peter Kiley 17 Nursery Lane Seddon Marlborough New Zealand. Landline 03-5757778. Cell 0273188026 email catherinelouise@xtra.co.nz OR petekileywww@xtra.co.nz

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  22. The Devious Thieving abusing evil MDC- Marlborough District Council and the St Clair Vineyard, along with the NMDHB – Nelson Marlborough District Health Board, and the Awatere Settlers Association are in permanent denial as to what they did to myself and my family over a 17 years period. They stole our life-savings, business, and health, also committing treason by going against the wishes of the Crown Minister for the Environment, namely the Hon Simon Upton. These MDC, St Clair Vineyard, NMDHB, Awatere Settlers Association human rights abusing thieves have left us to rot in tribulations initially caused by them. Successive New Zealand Central Parliamentary Crown Governments are also Devious Thieving abusing and evil, the PMs-Prime Ministers and MPs-Members of Parliament, Governor Generals, Lords, Baroneses, and Clergy, all since Jim Bolgers time as NZ PM. Remembering that we initially went to all of the above named for help as we have a genuine case as can be seen on the free CD of my book which im freely giving out… All of the above will hopefully soon be brought to justice and each jailed for 15 years.

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  23. My Story
    I was born in China and when I turned 10 my parents immigrated to Auckland, New Zealand in 1997. I suppose they came here hoping for a better future for me. We arrived in NZ with permanent resident visa (much easier back in the days) and within four years both of my parents found relevant jobs and we bought our first house.
    Growing up in NZ was actually quite pleasant for me. I was never bullied as a kid, and had European friends growing up. I found them to be accepting of me while I steadily improved my English. Once I started high school I was fully embracing the New Zealand cultural. I supported the Black Caps, All Blacks and felt every part a New Zealander. I played cricket, touch and hockey, all very popular NZ sports and never once felt out of place. This may be because I went to a very multi-cultural school as we had over 80 nationalities at the school (Mt Roskill Grammar). Racism was still there (usually in a joking manner) but we somehow we all managed to put aside our differences and got along with each other.
    Throughout High School to University I tried very hard to fit into the NZ cultural. I speak English with an NZ accent (I still speak fluent Mandarin), I follow NZ current events, sports and I get the Kiwi jokes and often dished out some of my own. I thought to succeed in NZ I had to become one of them and I tried my very best to fit in. Once I finished university (Bachelors in Engineering), I found work with relative ease and fitted in to the work environment quite easily too (mostly because I tried my best to act like a Kiwi and follow the Kiwi cultural).
    Whilst I was still in University I came across many international students (mostly from China and India) who often complained NZ was a rude country and there weren’t much to do here. I was said to them you have to try to fit in, learn the NZ cultural to be accepted here. I still stand by that because it is true, you should try and integrate into the NZ cultural else you’ll have a hard time living here.
    However, my attitude towards NZ completely changed when I started working and travelling. With work I spent majority of my time overseas and once I quit my job I travelled around the world for six months. I have been to 32 countries and I have realised NZ may not be the land of promise I once thought it was. I guess after reading a lot of the stories/comments on the website, as an immigrant who grew up in NZ and went through its education system I thought I’d put in my two cents.
    Positives
    • Clean, beautiful and very relaxed life style. People here are generally friendly.
    • Great place to bring up kids
    • Weather in Auckland is typically mild (e.g. not too hot in summer not too cold in winter)
    • Great access to outdoor activities (beach, trekking, surfing etc.)
    • Good access to healthcare, unemployment benefit and schools (interest free student loan) if you are a NZ residence/citizen
    • Safe in general, but starting to get a bit more dangerous.
    • Once you have the NZ passport it is very easy to travel anywhere in the world. Also there are number of working holiday opportunities.

    Negatives
    • NZ cultural (or lack of) is actually quite boring. We are centred on Cricket and Rugby and really nothing else. Rugby is a religion and seems like the only thing people talk about.
    • A terrible drinking cultural. When we go out we go out to get f**ked up, and when we do we become violent.
    • Terrible driving manners, no patience, random over taking over speeding. If you are a NZer you know this because every public holiday we have people dying due to careless or drink driving
    • Lack of public transport. Cars are cheap, but good luck trying to get anywhere on the bus or the train. Auckland reminds me of Los Angeles.
    • Racism still is a problem. Maybe not so much in Auckland because there is a large Asian/Indian population. When I talk to strangers in perfect NZ English they still question where I am from. Haven’t they heard of f**king immigration?
    • Caucasians immigrants are accepted, where Asians, Indians are not so welcomed in NZ. I feel NZ has a hard time adapting or accepting other cultural. This is changing because in Auckland we have huge Chinese New Year’s celebrations and Indian Diwali festivals. A lot of Europeans do come and see what the fuss is about. I guess even white people realise Chinese New Years/Diwali festival are probably a bit more interesting than the same Xmas parade every year.
    • Lack of work opportunities and if you are an immigrant good luck getting your qualifications recognised unless you are from Australia, UK or States. I know this because I worked for two companies (Engineering) in NZ and 80% of their work is overseas! I’ve known highly qualified professionals from overseas doing carpet cleaning, mowing lawns simply because NZ don’t recognise their qualification and won’t even give them a chance of trying them out.
    • Most of people I know from high school has no passion in life. Fridays usually involve getting high, getting pissed. Either that they spend half their money on modifying their cars or buying clothes to dress like gangsters from America.
    • Close minded people, we kiwis in general really need to get out more. There is a whole world out there other than UK and Australia.
    • Due to the location/isolation of NZ we are always the last ones in the world to get anything (movies, gadgets, cars). Everything is so much more expensive and the lack of choices really annoys me (compare to the states). Going anywhere for holiday will be a fortune because unless you go to Australia or the Islands it’s a minimal 10 hour flight. It’s not really NZ’s fault but I am starting to hate it.
    Not every country is perfect and NZ do have its share of problems, but as a young professional I have decided there is so much more out there in this world. I’m packing my bags to go to Canada in a few months’ time to try my luck there. Is Canada going to be better than NZ? I’m not sure but I’m willing to give it a go because NZ is just not cut out for me at this stage of my life.
    Cheers!

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    • I hardly like to tear down the Asian dream, being one myself, but there are a lot of platitudes in what you’ve written (plus grammatical mistakes, but I don’t want to be pedantic in that area, since my comment is probably long enough already).
      I’ll go over them one by one:
      and within four years both of my parents found relevant jobs.
      So for at least 3 years they were doing things that they were not specialised at, until they could get such work … and probably being either underpaid or underemployed.

      and we bought our first house.
      A stash of cash helps cushion that period of underpayment/underemployment. Migrants make sure to heed this advice and have plenty!

      Once I started high school I was fully embracing the New Zealand cultural. I supported the Black Caps, All Blacks and felt every part a New Zealander. I played cricket, touch and hockey, all very popular NZ sports and never once felt out of place.
      So the only real New Zealanders are sports people? It figures why Asians (except girls) will always find it hard to be accepted there. Did you get a chance to get some good hits in on “Asians who didn’t fit in?” (There are Asian bullies too – apologies if you’re not one of them)

      I speak English with an NZ accent (I still speak fluent Mandarin)
      Do you have a certificate to prove that you speak fluent Mandarin? Please note that a Caucasian from NZ can be perceived to be a “qualified English teacher” despite only having taken a 120 hour “i-to-i” TEFL course (and not being able to spell properly or differentiate word usage and meaning e.g. “affective” vs. “effective”).

      I get the Kiwi jokes and often dished out some of my own.
      Come on, sarcastic or racist putdowns are hardly the mark of a witty mind. That’s what I’ve experienced.

      Once I finished university (Bachelors in Engineering), I found work with relative ease and fitted in to the work environment quite easily too (mostly because I tried my best to act like a Kiwi and follow the Kiwi cultural).
      I hope you didn’t get underpaid.

      I was said to them you have to try to fit in, learn the NZ cultural to be accepted here. I still stand by that because it is true, you should try and integrate into the NZ cultural else you’ll have a hard time living here.
      Your examples of fitting in involve spending a lot of money and time, filling the coffers of others and believing in “one side against another”. Interesting.

      With work I spent majority of my time overseas and once I quit my job I travelled around the world for six months. I have been to 32 countries and I have realised NZ may not be the land of promise I once thought it was.
      I see the indoctrination there worked quite well – maybe that is also a mark of “being a true New Zealander”?

      Lack of work opportunities and if you are an immigrant good luck getting your qualifications recognised unless you are from Australia, UK or States. I know this because I worked for two companies (Engineering) in NZ and 80% of their work is overseas! I’ve known highly qualified professionals from overseas doing carpet cleaning, mowing lawns simply because NZ don’t recognise their qualification and won’t even give them a chance of trying them out.
      You left out the fact that foreign Asian students who BEGAN and COMPLETED their studies in NZ (not those “Master’s” students that are allowed in despite poor English – as the Faustian deal is these people pay less and enhance a university’s global ranking) are treated equally shamefully as those who were qualified overseas and said to have “suspicious credentials”, why is that?

      I’m packing my bags to go to Canada in a few months’ time to try my luck there.
      Try and remember that while you’re earning a salary overseas, the house prices back home continue to rise … and then you’re faced with the issue of either stumping up the money – and hoping that you’ll find a job back home (I hope they recognise overseas experience) which also allows you to pay the mortgage, and hoping they don’t downsize you while payments are still due on the house … or staying on in a new country and applying for PR there.

      I’m not sure but I’m willing to give it a go because NZ is just not cut out for me at this stage of my life.
      So … a qualified Asian kiwi in a Skills Shortage area thinks that the situation in NZ is dire.
      What does that say about the chances for foreign students or overseas-qualified professionals?

      P.S. This was typed in Notepad, I don’t need a spellchecker.

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      • I’m not sure why you are attacking my grammar skills. Ok I needed to use spell check and I didn’t check my grammar but so what? If this makes you feel superior then so be it.

        Anyways I’ll answer some of your comments.

        1. I have met a lot of Asians who didn’t fit in. Who didn’t enjoy NZ sports or NZ cultural and at the end of their education (NZ Citizens and Permanent Residence) went back to Asia.

        2. I was born in China and Mandarin is my mother tongue. Why do I need a certificate to prove I can speak Mandarin fluently? I’m not teaching the language. What is the point you are trying to make here?

        3. As a graduate I was underpaid. Starting at $45000 P.A. I did get OT though. I stuck it out because I needed the experience. When I left the job after 3 years I was on $48000. Currently I am a contractor and getting paid $40 per hour (probably can get $60+). If I didn’t take the low pay and gain the relevant experience in the first place I would’ve never got to where I am today.

        4. I know a few foreign Asian students who BEGAN and COMPLETED their studies in NZ. Some of them did get jobs in NZ or Australia and some left and went back to their own country. It’s not easy to get a job on a one year work visa and with the lack of opportunities here it’s no wonder those who can’t find a job have to leave.

        5. If you don’t appreciate NZ cultural and simple can’t be bothered integrating you can either leave the country or just hang out with people from similar ethnic background. Most of my Asian friends hang out with Asians, Indians with Indians etc. After all you are in a foreign country.

        6. When I do come back I have no fear of finding a job in NZ. There are many companies in NZ that specialize in my field of expertise and I have always maintained a good relationship with company owners. It took me only two weeks to find a job after a 6 months break. I’ll be trying for PR in Canada, it’ll be interesting and challenging too.

        7. I am qualified with in a skill shortage area who is wanting to leave due to various reasons. NZ isn’t perfect and no country will ever be. Since I am in a position to do something about it and try something else then why not? Just ask the thousands of Kiwis flooding to Australia every year.

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  24. My name is Yuri Rudnitsky and I have lived in New Zealand for 13 years. I was born in Latvia where my slavic heritage was not accepted. I migrated in New Zealand in late 1999 and had to borrow money and lived in the street for a while. I have a Bachelor of Engineering Degree. It’s only because I applied for a student loan once I was able to get my first temporary job in Orewa – sorting out produce. My second job was to fill up and clean buses, this lasted for about 1.5 years, the manager kind of liked me and I was “promoted” – offered a job as a linesman for trolley buses in Wellington in 2003.

    I was constantly abused on this job emotionally for about 5 years: shouted and yelled at, excluded, singled out. It turned out that most work mates were either bisexual or drug users (or to be honest: heck knows who they were), a few work mates were rich, building properties that worth millions, having extensive connections to the elite of Wellington.

    It was a hell on Earth for me and still left a deep scar that affects me socially to this very day: I have no friends, no partner, a few acquaintances all over the place, but I am practically excluded from the society as a foreigner.

    At one stage I believed I fell in love with one of the abusers – a prominent local sports figure, but I am not sure if this is the right term to desribe my feelings: it may be just a type of drawback or changes in my psyche due to the emotional abuse. I don’t believe this feeling is right, genuine, godly, but it still hurts me even after 10 years. That person still wants to know nothing about me and my experience now is like loving a guard in a Nazi Concentration Camp.

    I was paid a compensation by my employer in 2007, but this barely enough to cover for all the damages and more importantly – the lost opportunity as of today.

    I remember a recent TV case showed a court case in Australia over the same issue: persistent workplace abuse of a young Australian male in New Zealand leading to suicide.

    I do not like the idea of sticking to my ethnic community that also does not accept me, no friends there as well, the Russian church is homophobic and I am not married, so the question there is why and I am referred to by some women as a “peacock”, meaning “gay”. I cannot tell them my lifestory. I also avoid New Zealand born kiwis for this reason. After I was kicked out of the linesman job in Wellington there’s been problems with work until very lately, 2012 when I joined a political party in New Zealand and expressed my deep concerns to a local MP in Christchurch about the way things go with me and my “settlement” in NZ.

    Now I have a job in Auckland that I love, my manager and workmates are great people and this is the only thing that probably holds me onto living in New Zealand. I still live in complete social isolation, turning into a stalker in the crowd – this scares me a lot.

    I very rarely receive invitations from my political party to come to their events – it seems I am not welcomed by a few at the local electorate committee. Once I joined their party ranks I heard words “Russia” (I am Belarus, not Russian).

    From my point of view New Zealand is a deeply segregational society promoting cultural isolation and erecting cultural barriers whereever they can be erected. NZ government allows and promotes all inclusive ethnic communities, but I think they act as pools with no water current, I am personally not interested in them.

    It cannot be called racism as I am white as a majority of kiwis, it is something else, but it is very malicious. I know local born white or any colour kiwi will never accept me to be the same as they are. Is it good or bad? Well I do not enjoy a company of druggies and piss heads, but I are they all piss heads? Certainly not. So the ability to live independently is probably a good outcome.

    If above is not NZ government position, than it turns out in reality this country is an uncontrollable semi-criminal hell with no regard for human rights.

    I see some local born New Zealanders as active promoters of this idea that is purely motivated by money: socially isolated foreigners do a lot worse financially in a new country than those who are accepted and feel at home and build their contact base, this also brings the wages down as socially isolated foreigners will accept any job available out there. Socially isolated foreigners are also easier to kick out their job, which is what a large bulk of kiwis practice today, esspecially outside of Auckland.

    It’s been 13 years and I think I need to seek help, but I am hesitant to seek it in New Zealand. I am very used to and enjoy my solitude, relative financial comfort and independence, but I realise that I am set back hugely by what happened to me in the past and that I lost an enourmous amount of oppotunities in our society.

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    • “From my point of view New Zealand is a deeply segregational society promoting cultural isolation and erecting cultural barriers whereever they can be erected. NZ government allows and promotes all inclusive ethnic communities, but I think they act as pools with no water current, I am personally not interested in them.
      It cannot be called racism as I am white as a majority of kiwis, it is something else, but it is very malicious. I know local born white or any colour kiwi will never accept me to be the same as they are. Is it good or bad? Well I do not enjoy a company of druggies and piss heads, but I are they all piss heads? Certainly not. So the ability to live independently is probably a good outcome.
      If above is not NZ government position, than it turns out in reality this country is an uncontrollable semi-criminal hell with no regard for human rights.”

      Yes, this. I am white too and I also feel completely cut out of New Zealand society. I have just given up and as a result all my friends in NZ are foreigners. All, as in each and every one.

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      • Good to feel I’m not alone, fellow human.

        But I don’t like this, I don’t want to be stuck in Auckland because of a bunch of dope smokers I’ve met who made all locals look a bit dimm to me.

        I want to enjoy what else this country has to offer, get affordable housing (25% of Auckland’s median price) and get back for what I pay this government in bloody taxes like swimming pools and other sports facilities and enjoy the outdoors and scenery that now seem to be locked out for me.

        F that for “migration downunder”.

        Befriend me on facebook if you like.

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  25. To continue my above comment. I understand NZ is building a new society and is a “melting pot” of all nations on Earth.

    BUT

    Why does this process need to have a flavour of social exclusion, financial hardship, social punishment, and outward emotional sadism to it?

    Is this what our government is pursuing? Don’t they understand in the Beehive that the result is completely opposite? What more can we say when local Chinese demand their own separate community?

    Aren’t they just reflecting the locals who have separated from those who were not born here on the basis of their accent?

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  26. Whatever happened – happened, not all of life (just a small amount of it) is nasty here for sure, but it would be nice, after all the fighting and causing harm to one another, if it all worked out well for all involved and there would be peace, without the freaking animocity.

    If this is about money, then fighting is a low life’s way to get ahead and I don’t think they got ahead of me a lot, as it all goes back to circles.

    I however prefer to build a good personal contact base. Crime exists in any country and yes, it is here too, no illusions. Apart from that I think it would be far more dangerous to life somewhere in Eastern Europe than here, and worse by lot too.

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  27. I work with a large number of ex-pats from the UK and RSA who ALL say they love it here and enjoy a far better lifestyle than they left, and couldn’t imagine a better place to bring up their families.

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    • Ok. Let’s hear from them. Give them the link to this site and let them speak for themselves. Who knows, some of them may’ve already left their migrant tale here. What people think in private can be very different to what they say in public to their hosts.

      Please say where in New Zealand you are located.

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  28. That is generally what they say to Kiwis. I know a great number of migrants, mainly from those two places, but also Germany, The Netherlands and a few other origins, and they’ll let loose on New Zealand if no Kiwis are around. They don’t dare criticise because they have to survive there. To survive (and possibly make enough to leave), you need social networks. The ones I knew who didn’t like it were very close-mouthed and only shared their opinions with trusted others who shared their opinions. They were heavily involved in civic organisations and the community, and appeared to be well-integrated to most people.

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    • Thanks for your comment.

      We appreciate why they keep quiet.

      E2NZ.org gets some vitriolic comments from people for (what they perceive as) criticism about New Zealand. It can’t be pleasant to get the same from people in one’s community, reprisals for having an opinion are reprehensible. Yet New Zealanders supposedly pride themselves for allowing free speech. Another paradox?

      All the more reason why this site should continue to give people a platform to say what they really think.

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      • Isn’t this the whole idea of democracy – the foundation pile of New Zealand’s society?

        Auckland is very different, I was always happy in Auckland with little things to do and most scenery and outdoors being so remote.

        But in other places, esspecially Wellington, where it was a lot more enjoyable, it seemed I wasn’t allowed to do whatever my kiwi workmates did (discuss, say, have a different opinion, have my own stand, “play the game”, do as they did).

        I was picked on a lot harder than they were.

        That’s why it always seemed like a game of football with only one set of gates for me in those “other provincial towns”.:)

        Auckland as I say is a totally different story!

        More stupidly, it was difficult to convey to them my surname comes from Prusa (Borussia, Prussia), and not from Russia. It was like me calling them Aussies, I’d see how insulted would they get! LOL:)

        Ignorance is a bliss.

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  29. Kaz :
    Thanks Yuri for telling your story and sorry that you faced such ignorance and prejudice. I know it’s not much consolation but even white people such as British also face prejudice from Kiwis and they tend to stick in their own communities. The same goes for most immigrants they maintain their own culture but at the same time they do try to fit in and mix with locals.

    Thanks, Kaz. I don’t think it in fact had anything to do with ignorance or prejudice.:) It was rather a wack on the head and a kick on the butt into our famous “melting pot” and the decadent western lifestyle. And a bit of a marriage agency as well.

    I wish I understood what was it all about before it even started. It just ended up absolutely crazy and quite nasty, and not only for me. A few lives were turned upside down, jobs lost, businesses affected.

    Stupid as well, as there was no point in forcing these new values onto someone who was pro-western and spoke a foreign tongue since early school.

    Whoever arranged for and managed it (if they did and I have reasons to believe so) was a total idiot. (Sorry to that person, nothing personal).

    Kaz :
    The only way to ingratiate yourself to Kiwis is to swear a lot and talk tough and get some tattoos and then they will really accept you and like you more.

    Risky, as the new outfit may look very odd and one may end up having mental problems and this wont in fact solve anything. All you have to be is yourself – an educated and civilised import.:) Be a role model for them! Haha.

    Kaz :
    The same goes for most immigrants they maintain their own culture but at the same time they do try to fit in and mix with locals.

    This is a difficult one!:) I had little to maintain. My mother tongue wasn’t neccessary anymore and the Red Times did what they were meant to do – wiped out nearly all ethnic culture.

    In fact it wasn’t even my mother tongue that I spoke since childhood. Scary!

    I attempted to “reintegrate into my ethnicity” here in NZ by going to “my local community” before I realised it wasn’t even my community, religion or environment I should be in, as it brought back no sense of home.

    At first I was hinted by some people and then understood it fully. They were right speaking about the red plague, imperial chauvinism and occupation. Hope it’s history.

    Remember that AA insurance ad “Let’s get things sorted”?:)

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    • “just ended up absolutely crazy and quite nasty, and not only for me” – pretty much describes my experience there as well. After leaving, our family life settled down into utter smooth happiness. We are told that it was our fault for not “choosing” to integrate. Couldn’t have “integrated” into such an environment any more than we could have “integrated” into a brutal prison camp where you have little if any chance of not being someone’s butt boy and/or having your meal taken all the time because you don’t know the guys in charge!

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  30. I’ve noticed some complaints in regard to the ineffectiveness of the NZ police, particularly when the alleged offenders are reported using firearms. Assuming they’re a representative sample, is the reason that NZ police don’t routinely carry firearms, are poorly trained, undermanned, weak legislation, or perhaps they’re just plain bored?

    I’m reminded of the observation– ” Citizens get the police force they deserve”.

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  31. Passwords are for our regulars:)

    Please keep to the comment guidelines you two, your latest submissions almost didn’t make it through (and may yet get deleted after review of any future comments). No more ad homs please.

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  32. I have lived here all my life ,it has been a night mare and if you are thinking of coming here do your home work nothing is as it seems .most kiwis are a mess .

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  33. All I can offer to those considering a life in New Zealand are four pieces of advice:

    1) If you are considering emigrating to NZ – DO NOT ‘burn your bridges’ in your homeland. If, as a large percentage of immigrants do, you discover a dysfunctional, corrupt society of self-centred, poorly educated and small-minded bigots, you might want to lift anchor and return home.

    2) If you are considering buying a Kiwi home – DO NOT until you have commissioned a survey by one of the few professional firms of professional Building Surveyors (many of which now employ ex-UK surveyors who have been trained to a good standard, understand basic building technology, the use of materials and can use their brains – unlike many of their Kiwi counterparts who are often ex-trades people with little idea of basic construction materials and techniques which will provide durable and weather-tight buildings).

    Do plenty of research in to the scandalous ‘leaky-building’ crisis that Kiwi society is attempting to ignore and pass-off sub-standard, badly built un-insulated homes (‘shacks’ as we might call them in the UK) to unsuspecting new comers. New Zealand society, from top to bottom, is terrified that the true size of this cat will get out of the bag – many New Zealand homes unless built in the last few years, are, in reality – having adjusted for necessary re-cladding and repairs – worth in the region of 50% of their ‘market’ value. The NZ banks have lent substantially on these sub-standard assets so guess who else wants it kept secret? It is a fact that Kiwis (and their loveable Real Estate Agents) are targeting immigrants in an attempt to off-load these defective, damp, mouldy, leaking and usually un-heated buildings. Also, if you send your children to school in New Zealand they will likely be educated in similar un-healthy buildings often contaminated by mould.

    3) If you work for a Kiwi employer, you’ll inevitably end up experiencing or witnessing; bullying and narrow-mindedness by bureaucratic, inexperienced, clock-watching micro-managers.

    4) Any overseas employer, who is recruiting and receive CVs from Kiwis, should discard them immediately. Employ a Kiwi and you’ll employ a dim witted, lazy, un-loyal, small minded, poorly educated time-waster.

    New Zealand, despite the mobile phones, iPads and contemporary cars is not a first world country. It is an inwardly focused, closed society with huge problems including corruption in business and government, domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism, drug dependency and depression.

    I am a mature and seasoned business professional from the UK who found New Zealand unacceptable as a country in which to live and work and has now returned home to civilisation.

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  34. Almost six months in:
    Hello! I arrived as a skilled migrant in late October after visiting a few years prior. It is probably too soon to judge whether to stay or not, but my experience echoes that of many other migrants.

    I am a mid-career professional with higher degrees and quite skilled in my area. So far, I have had almost zero luck finding work in the capital city. I have found most of the recruiters to be worthless. Many advertise for jobs that are already filled, or bring you in to an interview only to tell you that they have nothing. Like many other highly qualified migrants, I have also encountered recruiters who won’t work with me because I lack “local experience.” That is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard and I believe a way to discriminate. I’ve worked all over the world and my field is pretty much the same here.

    Like many other migrants, I am volunteering my services for several companies in order to gain that local experience.

    I realise now that my other migrant friends who came to NZ are all doctors or engineers with high-paying jobs, and who had jobs waiting for them when they arrived. They make high enough incomes and have a job situation that has insulated them from some of the downsides I have encountered here.

    I’ve lived in Australia previously and made friends easily. I knew most of my neighbours. In our neighbourhood here, no one person has introduced themselves and they all keep themselves. I hear the level of friendliness varies place by place, though.

    I’ve not succeeded yet in meeting friends here. The kiwi gals my age seem to stick to themselves.

    As I mentioned, I am a strong person and know that it takes time to settle into a place. But I do think we need to honestly take a look at our options if I don’t find a job soon. Thankfully, we are only renting. I would advise any skilled migrant to never buy until they are here at least a couple years. We have a nest egg we have barely touched and have been pretty frugal here. We want to make sure we want to stay before committing.

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  35. I would advise all new migrants to be aware that they may encountering bullying in their first jobs here. I had a mid-career job in the US, but here started a new career in government. I’ve been bullied and harassed on my first job. I filed a complaint, but the boss only kept on the harasser because he is friends with her and they worked together before. You run into a lot of cronyism among co-workers who protect one another even in the face of unprofessional behavior.

    I might add that my managers do not speak to the Kiwi’s that way in my workplace. When I am not outright bullied, I am yelled at for the most inane things such as email headers. This is all veeeeerrrrry hard to take as I left the equivalent of my boss’ job in the US.

    I know this sort of thing happens in the US with immigrants, but it doesn’t make it any easier. The way I’ve been treated in my first job has really ruined my first year in New Zealand. I hope next year is better.

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    • Head home, mate. It doesn’t get any better; you can’t win, and you will probably never advance. Sorry.

      If you are young enough, cut your losses, recoup, and try again elsewhere. You can always apply for PR to Australia or another country from the US if you are not too old: it is not worth waiting to get into Australia as a NZ citizen, if you have the qualifications as a skilled migrant. If you don’t, you won’t earn them here.

      Did you come across E2NZ or expatexposed before moving to New Zealand?

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    • I would also disagree with you regarding “I know this sort of thing happens in the US with immigrants….” It does, but there is a functional justice system in most places, and you can quit the job and usually find a better one somewhere else. Hell, depending on where you live in the US, chances are that it’s an immigrant that you are working for in the first place.

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  36. It’s allrite. Most of them back off when you stand for yourself, but then chances are they will start calling YOU threatening. I think it’s not their fault, they just have to understand not all people like bigotry, being picked on for one reason or another. I was getting a good mix of everything, unwanted attention especially pisses me off. If they want to establish a kind of contact they just have to learn how to talk to people. If they don’t I’m OK with that, I’m fine by myself, honestly. There’s nothing worse than people bumping into you and or bogging you all the time. Not always racism, but **cks you off allright. Any wonder why our “relationships” don’t work. Stop **cking poeple off – LIVE AND LET LIVE. GIVE PEOPLE AROUND YOU PEACE! Don’t position yourslef as a stupid useless **ck, because people loose interest instantly. Thanks.

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  37. Hello E2Nz can I post my story here for you to publish? I didnt get a reply last time so was wondering whether you had gotten my last message? Cheers.

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  38. Hello there everyone.

    This is my story, I’m writing this as I go, so apologies if it ends up being incredibly long, erratic, and jumps from one thing to another but I have to get out all this inner torment and torture (suffering) that I’ve put up with since coming to New Zealand.

    I have been in NZ since the beginning of 2007. I am from England. I am currently still here due to family commitments. I have a young child here with an ex kiwi partner, and this is the only reason I have stayed so long in this hell hole. I was 23 when I came here. I was outgoing, lively, relatively positive, enthusiastic and had purpose. I am now 30 and a former shadow of myself. And by that, I mean I am broken. Without sounding pathetic or melodramatic, this place has affected me deeply, and in all the wrong ways.

    You’d think after being here for 7 years, I’d of made at least a few decent friends. Not so. You’d think I’d of gotten somewhere in life. Not so. Coming to New Zealand has been the biggest regret of my life. It took maybe a year and a half for me to be completely sick to death of the place, and an expert at knowing the devious, twisted, conniving, insane, insufferable ways of the backward inbred kiwis. I want to make it crystal clear that I absolutely despise New Zealand and most Kiwis in general. Of course not every Kiwi is the same, but the majority I’ve met and dealt with are all carbon copied walking abortions not worthy of the air that they breathe. Theres simply no purpose to them. At all. I had a child with my kiwi partner at the time, (now my ex) which wasn’t planned, so i can blame myself for that in some ways. My son was born and I did the best I could to be a full time loving father and be there for him always. Thats why I am still here. I ended up hating New Zealand because the place is a massive drain on your sanity and finances. I am a creative person with musical and film making aspirations and trying to do anything like that here is a complete and utter waste of time. So through the years I just put up with living here, dealing with morons and the backwardness. Kiwis couldn’t run a bath. No one wants to do anything. I lost many jobs through anger and frustration because of the incompetence and tall poppy syndrome rife everywhere you go. People who I thought were my friends were infact just ‘bludger’s and users and it was always me inviting them over and buying the beer and dvds or whatever and they would never, ever return the favour. When the earthquake hit here in Christchurch where I’ve lived all this time, these ‘friends’ severed all communication with me after I said I couldn’t come and drive them about and help them with stuff because they didn’t have a car, and they went up the wall and basically told me to get effed. I had my own family to look after and was buggered if i was gunna be their bloody taxi and help out after I knew they were such using twats, and i knew they wouldn’t even offer me petrol money, like they usually didnt. But of course they expected me to drop them off home. Most of the time i never even got a thankyou.

    Let me make these points about kiwis

    1) There is something fundamentally wrong with them. This is not a joke. They are not a normal breed of human beings. They lack common sense, manners, any signs of intelligence, a sense of humour, insight and enthusiasm. All they want to do is represent complacency with their ‘she’ll be right’ attitude and reach the pinnacle of $hit. They are the most laziest people I have met in my life. Don’t ever criticise their precious country or the All Blacks or anything Kiwi related because they will freeze on the spot and have an aneurysm from being so offended. You will also be ostracised from their pathetic fraternity bum chum groups. You will probably be outcast from the whole bloody town. Everything is awesome here, awesome this awesome that. I get sick of the self righteous kiwi lingo. Notice how everything is shoved down your throat as well. Bloody kiwi this and kiwi that, 100% pure New Zealand etc. 100% pure bullshit more like. Yes, we get it, this is New Zealand and you are all bloody Kiwis. But please post the word KIWI everywhere possible just incase a non kiwi forgets this. Or incase a kiwi forgets its a kiwi. Or that the dogs and cats forget they are kiwis, and the birds too, and the air that we breathe. Theres being patriotic then theres going overboard to the extent of making your whole country seem obviously insecure and lacking. Watch the news here and watch them go crazy if a kiwi did something over seas. There could be a bus crash in Mexico with 20 people onboard all from different countries and just because a kiwi was one of them its major news. In reality, no one give a flying toss what a kiwi did/does, they are irrelevant to the rest of the world. Kiwis are insular minded weirdos, who thrive on nepotism and ripping people off. I’ll get to this in another point later on.

    2) The driving…….jesus…wept. This is one of the main reasons I avoid going out as much as possible. I used to be an even tempered person before I came here. I now turn into the incredible hulk when I go out driving. My stress levels go through the roof, and if im honest, i want to get out of my car and kill them. Kiwi driving is at best, horrific. Remember that ‘anything goes’ here. Everyday you will witness cars breaking, making a turn and then indicating. What is the logic in that? There is none, because kiwis don’t think, they just do. Cars pull out infront of you, because they cant wait 5 seconds for you to past, because its a race on NZ roads and get this, ive seen them looking the other way to the direction they are going while pulling out…hahahahaahaha…how does that work???? When i give them the finger or roll down the window and yell a nasty swear word at them in spitting rage, they look at you like a confused child. MORONS. They give you a look of “WTF? I have no idea what the problem is here?” Undertaking, tail gating galore, tail gating at every opportunity even tho im going the speed limit. The two lanes that merge into one is always a pathetic race. Watch them refuse to let each other go first. Kiwis think that driving here is a race. Everything is a rush job. Walk the streets and count how many cars have out of date rego’s or wofs, its astounding. Some of them years old!!!!! You can also have a good laugh at the idiots who try to cover up their out of date regos with the wind screen wiper. Muppets.

    3) Housing-A complete joke. Renting is a miserable experience. You pay out your arse for a Robinson Crusoe shack, and pay a fortune to enjoy the pleasures of it weekly. (Sarcasm.) You can read elsewhere on this site how bad housing is here in NZ.

    Watch out for real estates renting out run down dodgy properties with broken stuff, like a heat pump that…doesnt pump out heat…or cold air in the summer…just air… then when you move in, they will accuse you of doing the damage and make you pay for it out of your bond. Its a recurring little rip off trick ive seen them do countless times with other people as well as myself.

    4) If you are wanting to get the internet at your house, good luck trying to actually get it, is all I can say. I originally tried getting basic internet with Vodafone and they arranged a time for the technician to come over and hook us up, said he would be over at blah blah day at blah blah time and he never showed up. No phone call. Nothing. Phoned customer service and they make up some lie and arrange another date. The same thing happens. I gave them one more chance and you guessed it, same thing happens. Weeks later after going with Spark (had issues with them too) Vodafone post me a brochure saying hey come join us we’re great! Absolute clowns.

    No one calls you back here in New Zealand. The communication is non existent. Good luck trying to get anywhere with the likes of job applying and applying for stuff and emailing/calling anyone or having to leave a message. No one will reply at all. You will have to call back and chase after them all.

    Are you wanting supplements? Vitamic C? Some multivits? Order them online from somewhere other than NZ. You will pay something like $35-40 dollars for something like co-enzyme Q10 which i can get for 4-6 quid from Tesco in England, and New Zealand pharmacies sell them for 15 quid ffs. Go to hell NZ.

    5) Trademe-just dont bother. Avoid it like the plague. I would rather buy something brand new than have to deal with the scumbags on there ever again. Do your bidding and buying off ebay and use paypal if you like online auctions. NEVER trust a kiwi. Do not give them your business. You will be ripped off anyway and will be paying 10 times the price of what its worth.

    Everything in NZ is a rip off. Don’t give these blood suckers your hard earned cash. Do not invest in NZ. Do not do it for gods sake. You will LOSE. You will be ripped off.

    The 7 years i have been here i have learned that anything i do, is a waste of time. Talking to kiwis is a waste of time. Going to work is a waste of time. (Because its a black hole inhabited by zombies and thickos, whatever work place you go to. But i have to work to survive.) Trying to make friends is a waste of time. Having a sense of humour is a waste of time. Trying to organise anything is a waste of time. Motivating people is a waste of time. Imagine New Zealand as a desert island with a few amenities run by monkeys. Thats exactly what it is like here. The place is beyond incompetent. Things take a millennium to get done, even the basics. Also, for a country that boasts to have so many national parks and loads of space, why do kiwis cram everything into a tiny space? Why are car parks tiny and narrow? Why are fast food drive thru’s built for midgets? Why are car parks tiny? WHY??????

    Back to my point about nepotism-its who you know here, not what you know. Stuff your qualifications from back home, they are not accepted here. You are treated with disdain. Pay out your arse to get the kiwi version. Just because. Because they want your money.

    7 years on ladies and gentlemen and I sit here in my rented dive, and I am no further than i was when i came here. I worked two jobs for the last two years just to stay afloat and had a nervous breakdown. I have had to take prescription drugs for anxiety and panic attacks. I have nightmares every night and the boredom of this hell hole is crushing. Most of the other poms ive met here have been kiwi-ised and dont want to go back home. If i slag off NZ they go all funny and dont want to talk about it. If i start a lively conversation with a kiwi or crack a joke they act surprised and do not understand anything i say. Complete waste of time. I spend most of my time in my house after work and on the weekends, escaping by watching films, playing games, reading alot, doing my writing and music and just avoiding kiwis at all cost because its an utter waste of time. You see, I dont want to get pissed up on the weekends, worship rugby, play sport or indulge in boring kiwi past times so i spend my days and nights alone. I’m not a kiwi, i am English, and being a pom in nz is a crime. At the end of this year i will be returning to England for a year or two. I am very excited and remain hopeful of a better life there. I know as soon as i get on the plane, and it takes off, i will feel euphoria. I will mis my son deeply, but i have to go back for a bit before i end up killing myself.

    I have considered taking my life a few times out of pure misery and desperation. I never would because of my son but i do think about it sometimes. I feel so isolated and miserable here. No one should have to feel like this. Caught between a rock and a hard place. I love my son with all my heart and we are very close. So leaving New Zealand has always been an option but i couldn’t bare being apart from my son. I’m as tough and ‘well ard’ as any kiwi male here, and could take on the best of them, but i have my psychological limit like anyone else. You’re expected to harden up here, which means bottle up your feelings, never express yourself until you become a ticking time bomb.

    I don’t know wtf has happened to me. I have lost all sense of who i am, who i used to be. I am a wreck now. I avoid going out because i have to bite my lip and resist smashing an ignorant kiwis face in. I have an incredibly short fuse now. I dont drink or do drugs or smoke. I try and release my anger and hatred and misery through my writing and music but its not good enough. I feel like a prisoner.

    Please do not end up like me. The first time you get an inkling that you dont like it here..GET OUT. Make like a tree and leave. You will not regret leaving. There is nothing here but disappointment and a slow death.

    NZ is great for a holiday, nothing more. If you’re just visiting, im sure you will have a great time.

    Thanks for reading. I am leaving at the end of the year and am counting down the days. I am better than this, and you are too, to subject yourself to New Zealands bullshit and lies and fake promises. Futile futility.

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    • Nebula, a work of advice;- be careful when you are itching to smash an ignorant sheepies face in. I pulled a baseball bat out on one who was blissfully chainsawing my trees down, cutting the wood up and stealing it. He was on a trespass notice also. The po- lice went after me and not him!!!!

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      • Hahahaha nice one. It must have been so tempting to kiss the side of his cranium with that baseball bat. I’ve had kiwis do stuff without asking, like go onto my front drive and fix their fencing, as they lived opposite. A simple knock on my door and ask permission was all they had to do, and i would have said no problem. But noooo….kiwis just do what the hell they like so i went out and told them to eff off. What happened in the end?

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  39. I found out that Kiwis do what ever they like, and most of it is destructive. Furthermore if you have redneck cops as the local police they may go out of their way to protect the actual law breakers. I find it really weird and incomprehensible. Quite a few people had to shift from this community as the local police would not put charges on the thugs. I had previously filed a formal police complaint and one cop made an early retirement as a result. The cops who were mates with the cop who “resigned” hated me and were after me. It is really nasty stuff and I have not recovered. I was calling 111 and the cops would not protect my property. I was literally begging a senior sergeant to help for weeks on end. When he finally said that I was the local crim I lost my cool big time, and accused him of corruption and the Dud-Dunners police of being incompetent etc etc. I found all these sources and articles to substantiate it, and sent them to him out of anger and frustration. The police used the baseball incident to convict me and made a false summary of facts. They were lying in court. The central witness (the one I pulled the baseball bat on) was clearly pretty unhinged and doolally, so the judge dropped the two false charges that the cops were trying desperately to make, and I just got done for having an offensive weapon.
    This is not a safe country to live in at all. It is Badlands. The real crims are doing fine and are supported by the state.

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    • Kiwis are weird full stop, and complete tossers. I was stopped by a cop the other day for speeding, 10k over the limit. Ok, fair enough, I broke the law, whatever, and I’ll pay the fine, but I also had to deal with the ego of the twat cop who pulled me over. He made a sarcastic point that I was from the UK, and I said do you have a problem with that? The police here are thick as shit, it obviously doesn’t take much to get into the NZ police force. I had to repeat everything twice, and its not like a have a thick northern English accent. He took forever to check out my details, gives me some long winded lecture trying to make out that ‘immigrants’ are bad drivers and I said thats rich coming from a kiwi, and he didn’t get what i meant because he’s THICK and remember Kiwis are perfect and the best in da world yo. I’d also like to mention that it was pissing it down and quite dark and he had no lights on where as I did. He only turned them on when he pulled me over. (I’m talking about headlights.) Double standards here.

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  40. Inbred morons and the big ruler, King Shonkey Donkey. The henchmen are the NZ police. It is virtually a police state and it is dangerously fascist. Dumb people are preferred as they don’t make so much trouble and ask questions. Intellectuals and left wing arty types are despised, humiliated and ridiculed.
    Yeah cops are thick and train for only six months. When I allegedly breached bail, I was violently handcuffed in my own kitchen, without even being told that I was under arrest. I was dragged out of my house with no shoes on, only socks, and I had to beg for them to get my house keys and shut the backdoor. In the car I was still handcuffed very tightly so that it hurt. The sergeant was beside me and would not release the cuffs and in fact tightened them so that my circulation was getting cut off. I attempted repeatedly to throw up on him and he hit me over the face and said that I think that I am a little princess. Clearly there was a big personal vendetta against me, hence the bogus arrest. By the time we got to Central station my wrists were bruised and cut, and my hands swollen. The left one had the circulation cut off. Just before we got to the station the sergeant was mentally abusing me and saying that I am a C grade actress etc etc. As I exited the police vehicle I wiped all the snot, mucus and drool off my face onto the seat in front. It was nice to leave a personal touch.
    A friend of a friend who is a senior lawyer became interested to hear of these allegations made against me, and the conviction, and wanted to inquire as to why the police treatment of me was so illegal and over the top. He spoke to a cop he knows and found out that I did not pass the “attitude test.”
    Basically I had all these heavy criminal charges put on me because of how I think. I am an environmentalist (very naughty) a feminist (even worse) and I am anti-govt (a heretic).
    I guess thankfully that witch burning has been outlawed.

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    • I believe everything you say. Anything goes here, its a very bizarre messed up country inhabited by abortions.

      People always bang on and on about the scenery, as if thats all that matters. do people even stop to think what the people in New Zealand are like? I get fed up with my mates back home saying to me “how can you hate NZ??? I’ve seen it on Lord Of The Rings and it looks amazing”. I shake my head and can’t be bothered explaining why what they see is utter bullshit and a lie.

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  41. Nebula, I am a Kiwi and it is actually worse for that as I feel embarrassment and shame on top of everything else. It is painful and frustrating. I have lived overseas in different countries and travelled widely and the most turgid whacked out shit goes down here. And I have lived in places like Yemen, which is actually more straightforward than this!!! Here it is just perverse, warped, and everything is back to front. There is an issue with lack of culture here and lack of meaning to life. There is also the white-trash, hill billy thing that drives me stark raving bonkers. You see it all the time as that is what you are often referring to. And then because of the NZ PC wank you are not allowed to say it as it is.
    Maybe here we can say it as it is?

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    • I’ve taken 2 days off work just to avoid the tools there. No one talks to me, no one has a laugh, no one has any personality, no one does anything but worship their worthless minimum wage job and go overboard with the supposed importance of it.

      You can do your crappy job AND have a laugh!!! Thats what gets me through the day, is a sense of humour. The guys I work with seem too scared to do anything other than mindlessly embody their job. It’s insanity, and coming from England I cant stand it. Like you said, Yemen was better. I bet theres more culture and friendliness there as well.

      I did have a Kiwi colleague at an old job and he was a laugh riot. Very very rare to find.

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      • I have to agree with you with a lot of what you said about ‘kiwis’! They truly are a unique bunch. I am from South Africa and although NZ has much lower levels of violent crime and corruption compared to SA, which makes it better than SA in that regard, i just don’t connect with most of them at all. I am around your age and life for me has been miserably boring for the last 3 years. I would rather watch doco’s, read books and browse online than hangout with the people i have come across here. There are a few exceptions, but the vast majority of people i have met here are not worth my time and the same is probably said of me and I couldn’t care less now! The Saffas i know here are either in denial or ignorant/arrogant or they are just apathetic like me. Depression got the best of me and I never used to be remotely close to having depressive traits..

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        • Hey Dave. Right off the bat I can say South Africans are a laugh as I’ve lived in a house full of them back in England in 2003. Drinking Castle Beer and eating biltong haha.

          I also like Die Antwoord lol.

          All South Africans I’ve met in my life have been very chatty, friendly, open minded and cultured and switched on. I know what you mean when you say you meet fellow countrymen in NZ who are apathetic and impartial to the horrors here and say they wouldn’t go back home. I’ve even had fellow Brits say they are now Kiwis. Pathetic.

          Are you going to leave NZ?

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  42. You could get a job as a waitress and get your pony tail pulled. That is a real horse play and fun and games according to the Prime Minister. See you are missing out on something that is a real gas as you are not a girl working in Parnell in the PMs favourite café. And it has to be a gal with a pony tail to cater to the PMs kinky fetish that has made global headlines. See where the fun and games really begin in NZ. Maybe your sense of humour is not as highly developed and sophisticated as the real” fun-times for the whole family” Kiwi way. Wholesome or just plain down and dirty in Parnell? What a riot.
    That will be it, the source of the problem. Your sense of humour just needs adjusting.

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    • Two bottles of personalised wine seems to be the preferred method for humour adjustment (at least on Planet Key).

      Abuse women and then ply them with alcohol to help them forget and forgive. Where have we seen that method used before in NZ? Roastbusters?

      It’s not that women aren’t saying no, it’s that men aren’t listening to them.

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  43. The use of date rape drugs is quite prevalent here also. “Horse” or is it “Donkey” didn’t even to hang around to let Amanda explain that she does not drink red wine, as he scuttled off. Horsing around, my ass. How does ‘the wife” cope with his little misdemeanours? I suspect that she needed another two bottles of his red JK special, probably to whack him over the head later on back at the McMansion.

    New Zealand Prime Minister John Key, once again doing his country proud around the world pic.twitter.com/RfbDvMRim

    — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 22, 2015

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    • There’s some dysfunction when a male thinks an apology for harassing a female can be can be achieved with alcohol. This probably says a lot about a. Mr Key’s coping strategies and b. how he regards females.

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  44. It is a very macho culture and men have a huge sense of entitlement and engage in misogyny as routine practice. Maybe Key simply thought that it was a nice gift, and that everyone in NZ likes to/ must drink alcohol, and of course would receive it readily as a gift. But a gift of booze as a token to smooth out harassment? Yes, well his mentality is interesting, but I would not like to be married to him, and I do not like him as head of state. I think he thought his casual manner with the pubic was a cool and winning tactic, but I find him simply inappropriate and well….weird. It is worth reading the latest Lauda Finem blog.

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    • Key is the perfect example of how brainless morons make it in high paying astute jobs in New Zealand. It’s also a mystery how such a tool makes it to such a position.

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      • As the old saying / bitter joke goes:
        “It takes an awful lot of people to run a government; and a lot of awful people”.

        also consider that he is only being called out on the 6TH time he did this.
        and consider that he needed some public tar-and-feathering
        and his bodyguard or wife didn’t tell him to stop being touchy feely.
        and nobody else bothered to either.

        However, short of shouting “keep your filthy hands off me” and drawing obvious, sudden, publicised attention … you can’t control the behaviour of someone who has no filters. That may not even be reported, as newspaper editors – know what butters their bread. Don’t forget that, in the beginning, the full account … only appeared online.

        The other problematic thing is of course, playfulness bordering on ignoring boundaries, is a trait that causes or promotes attractiveness _when done by the right person to someone else_.

        http://www.fed.cuhk.edu.hk/~lchang/material/Evolutionary/good%20genes%20hypothesis.pdf

        Yup, it takes a lot of awful people … to ignore the failings in character … of the person in charge …who has the power to make their lives difficult.

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  45. Is it really a mystery how such a deviant tool is the head of state Nebula; – considering the nature of the brainless and soulless freaks that constitute the populace of this down- under and down- dirty cesspit country.

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  46. This is what I’ve learned first hand from living with a Kiwi for 18 months:

    Kiwis are raised to repress their feelings. Many deny they have feelings. But really, they are programmed from a young age to repress their feelings. They never express their feelings. Their feelings belong to them. So they don’t share their feelings. That includes happy feelings. They don’t share any feelings. They don’t talk about their feelings. Not really sure what they think they accomplish by doing this.

    Normal relationships occur, in my opinion, because you want to share your life with someone else, be it a friend or a partner. That means sharing your ups and your downs. You want your partner to share your happy news and you also want them to help you get through the downs in life. So you share good news and bad news and they share your happiness and your sorrow. That’s how you can tell if someone really cares about you. Are they there for you in times of trouble?

    Kiwis don’t share their feelings. So they’re never going to be happy for you. And they are never going to be there for you when you are sad or in despair. They don’t do feelings. This means no one is ever there for them when they are down. So, they bottle everything up and explode with road rage. Many Kiwis openly yell and swear at other drivers. It seems when you are in your car you can loudly, openly and freely express your pent up anger. And they do. This happens because they bottle everything up (at the same time denying they have feelings) and instead of dealing with their feelings (talking about them, meditating, working out), they drink, bottle up their feelings, then drink some more, then yell at other drivers on the road.

    All the while they think this is normal. Thus far we’ve been in New Zealand for two years and I’ve yet to meet a happy Kiwi. I’ve met a few happy immigrants. And I’ve gotten to know about ten Kiwis quite well. But none of them seem happy. If they are happy, it’s in a very superficial way. Somehow drinking wine or beer leads to happiness for them.

    We lived with a Kiwi for 18 months, so we really got to know one particular Kiwi. They are so unemotional, it’s scary. The whole robotic, non-emotional thing is really bizarre. It’s almost like they are trying to hide something from you. And perhaps they are. I think they don’t trust people who are different from them. So if you are openly expressive and you share your emotions, you are suspect.

    I hope this changes with future generations, as I think this issue AND the tall poppy syndrome combined are holding this country back from being an amazing place to live. New Zealand could be a world class country. But, they are so busy repressing, brushing things aside, denying and pulling each other down (tall poppy syndrome) that they can really rise up to anything that matters.

    Another Kiwi I got to know really well said “Kiwis are not creative.” Creativity and art requires feelings. Kiwis don’t do feelings. So art is stunted in NZ. It exists, but it doesn’t flourish. In essence, Kiwis are their own worst enemy. The question is: Why are Kiwis their own worst enemy?

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    • You have made some excellent points and it helps to explain the high level of alcoholism in the society. The Kiwis rarely say what they mean or mean what they say. I find that this results in a superficiality and lack of genuineness amongst them.

      The lack of feelings and emotions are probably why the men have no idea how to seduce a woman. New Zealand is a strange place.

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      • I read here somewhere, (cant remember where) that conversing with Kiwis is like talking to an autistic person which is bang on. Not making fun of autistic people or putting them down, but thats exactly what they are like.

        I find kiwi women to be utter slags, but stuck up ones. The dress horribly as well. Its just a horrible, insidious little country that seems so repressed and lacking. I find they beat around the bush with everything.

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  47. ” I think they don’t trust people who are different from them.”

    This is true. If you didn’t go to school with them or grow up in the same town, you are “foreign”, and if you came from another country?

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  48. Go to any supermarket, shop etc, its always me saying hello to the cashier and thankyou, the role is reversed and its me giving them customer service ffs. I’ve even walked up to a checkout billions of times and said nothing, waiting for them to do the talking and I am not even acknowledged. The only thing the twat at the checkout says is the price while chucking my shopping to the end. The lazy wanker doesn’t even bag it.

    I don’t bother making chit chat with staff at shops anymore, frigging waste of time.

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  49. I also find in most shops, they couldn’t give a toss if you bought something or not. Either pay the rip off price or bugger off. No haggling or reductions, buy one get one free, etc..nada. Remember, kiwis think they are doing you a favour and its a privilege to be paying out your arse for their rotten ‘goods’.

    Look at the likes of New World bakery section. It’s 8:45pm, they close at 9pm and they have a few Danish’s left, (I’m partial to a danish or two lol) and they don’t reduce them for quick sale… By that time they are actually quite stale, and will be chucked away, yet the tight cheapskate vermin still want to charge you full price.

    All I had to do in Tesco in England was ask one of the staff fiddling around with the bakery section was if they minded reducing what they had left over, which was a few danish’s (I’m a fatty sometimes) and the guy put the last 4 danish’s in a bag for me and put a 50p price tag on it. I said thanks very much mate appreciate it alot.

    You will never experience something like that here. Ever.

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    • Campbell live – TV3 NZ (sadly no more ) did an extensive investigation into Gloriavale

      Videos should still be available if you google

      campbell live gloriavale

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