General Discussion Area: Talk to /u/TeHokioi

This is the opening of our dialogue with one of the moderators of /r/New Zealand. Scroll down to the comments section to read the discussion.

Hello TeHokioi. Not sure what you want to talk about but you’re welcome here and we’re happy to have this dialogue with you.

The people involved with the running of E2NZ.org would like to see /r/newzealand stop its harassment and trolling of this site.

Furthermore, we’d like the /r/newzealand moderators to make a public apology for facilitating and encouraging that harassment over the years.

It’s probably hoping for too much to ask /u/SIS-NZ, /u/dead-rooster et al to mea culpa too. At the very least, and as a sign of your good faith,  we’d expect them the curb their attacks. You have a delete button that is seriously under-used.

Please bear in mind that many people who use /r/newzealand also use E2NZ.org. /u/nilnz often posts material that could’ve been taken straight out of this site, we clearly have areas of common ground.

Preventing the constant harassment, bullying and drama from the likes of SIS-NZ and co. will help to make your sub a better place for everyone who uses it, and will reduce the amount of time and effort you put into modding it. You probably have much better things you could be doing with your time.

Let me know your thoughts, Admin.

 

 

5 thoughts on “General Discussion Area: Talk to /u/TeHokioi

  1. My parents and I moved to nz in 2003. They moved from a beautiful place in England where we had a good lifestyle. My sister had moved there and had kids so they wanted to be close and were drawn in by all the fab things my sister told them. They went there once then we made the move a year later. Unfortunately we had problems continuously, with houses, jobs, healthcare well pretty much everything. Our lives went down hill, the 2008 crash meant we were struggling so much financially and not even able to afford to heat the house. My mum got early onset dementia in 2007 but doctors failed to diagnose her time and time again. Life was horrendous and we received no help, bad things happened due to her illness. She stole her car keys we’d hidden and drove down the street the wrong way. I was 24 and finding it hard to cope, dad began coping with alcohol. Mum was progressively worse and worse and my sister and dad fell out so bad they had nobody. We had moved to an absolute hell hole of a town named pahiatua near Palmerston North where you would never fit in unless your from there. It was so hard I left to come to the uk and escape as was sick of trying and failing to get my mum help. I left mum with dad. Things went from bad to worse and dad was desperate for help with mum finally being diagnosed in 2012. My sister crept back in and decided to go behind dads back to get a court order so she could put mum in the home meaning dad would lose everything. Dad had no money for representation. We’ve lost everything because my sister got people to lie and make things up in order to gain what she wanted to get back at dad. Mum got put in a home immediately and we didn’t know what to do. My sister stopped paying my mums bills and so my dad couldn’t afford the mortgage but apparently this was ok legally for her to do this. My dad basically was alone. Isolated and the stress was killing him. He was immediately banned from seeeing his wife and so he was all alone completely feeling he has nothing to live for. I told him to come to the uk so we could sort it out as I couldn’t face going there it was too painful plus I have got my life on track here in uk and about to graduate with a law degree. My dad came back and my sister sold everything whilst my dad has had a breakdown not knowing what to do. We have followed every channel, complained to all the appropriate people/hospitals/judges etc and to no avail. We are stumped, broken and cannot afford a lawyer, we can’t get anyone in the uk to help as its nz law. There are so many illegal things that have happened in this process and we know our case is very strong. We need help desperately to fight this. Please if anyone can help get in touch. What’s happened is totally unacceptable and I cry everyday to get my family their home and my mum back to uk as she would be devastated to know all this had happened. My sister won’t talk to me, she has abused her position as a social worker and probation officer to get other professionals to submit incorrect witness statements into court so she won. I have all eveidemce and proof but we don’t know what to do anymore. Please help. the house was even illegally sold without my fathers consent even though the estate agent knew where we were and had previously faxed us an offer of sale before to the uk. All my family belongings and memories including family photos just gone. We are devastated.
    My email Laura.wesley713@gmail.com

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    • Have you contacted the British High Commission in Wellington to discuss bringing your Mum home? Has your sister has been given power of attorney at some point? New Zealand has community law offices where you can get cheap or free legal advice.

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  2. We never received a second reply from /u/TeHokioi and can only assume that she (he?) no longer wants to have this dialogue with us.

    Therefore, we’re throwing this discussion open to the general community to get other points of view and possible solutions.

    Normal comment guidelines apply, previously banned people are still banned. NO trolling. Keep on topic.

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  3. Basically, the goal I’m wanting to achieve here is a peace treaty of sorts. Your fighting with Acerbater and other old boys of the subreddit has caused unnecessary drama and infighting on the subreddit, which I can’t tell if it was your end goal or not but I’d prefer to try and keep the place in one piece. I can’t control what individual members do – I can try and ask them to cut it out, but I can’t outright ban them from doing anything outside the subreddit as I’m sure you’d understand – but I can assure you that as a whole, /r/NewZealand does not and will not condone actions against e2nz or discussions of taking action against it on the subreddit.

    At the same time, we can’t offer an outright apology post, but we could have an overarching discussion on the state of the subreddit which is heavily hinted in that direction and implied to be inspired by recent events with Area 64. Main reason for this is that since Area 64 people don’t trust the moderators, and a public apology from all of us when only a couple were actively involved will only damage that more.

    I can talk to SIS-NZ and see what I can do, though I think you might be right. We’ve already told him to back off, but it doesn’t look like he listened to that. As for the post deletion side of things, we can’t be everywhere at once and we rely on people reporting posts to bring stuff to our attention. If you see something of this regard you think is worth deletion then report it and say so, so that it’s easily visible to us.

    At the same time though, we wouldn’t do this without an agreement that the people at your end will stop the harassment of the subreddit or its members, mainly through the constant stream of new accounts posting screenshots from Area 64 or whatnot. You got your point across and got BalchyNZ to resign, there’s no point in continuing to damage the subreddit for what quickly begins to look like a vendetta against it. If you do have a problem with certain members, I’d love it if you were able to try and keep that separate from /r/NewZealand.

    Let us know what you think and whether that’s acceptable for you guys. I just want an end to the drama on the subreddit so that it can begin to get back to normal.

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    • Thanks for your response. It looks like we’ve got some work to do here.

      Basically, the goal I’m wanting to achieve here is a peace treaty of sorts. Your fighting with Acerbater and other old boys of the subreddit has caused unnecessary drama and infighting on the subreddit, which I can’t tell if it was your end goal or not but I’d prefer to try and keep the place in one piece. I can’t control what individual members do – I can try and ask them to cut it out, but I can’t outright ban them from doing anything outside the subreddit as I’m sure you’d understand – but I can assure you that as a whole, /r/NewZealand does not and will not condone actions against e2nz or discussions of taking action against it on the subreddit.

      Firstly, we’d like to assure you that no-one from E2NZ has been involved in fighting with Acerbater and the old boys of the subreddit. Everything we do and say we do here or in trollsnzandkoolaid, we never take it to reddit. We don’t need to. The Area 64 club, Acerbater included, has got you believing that we’re responsible for this shit storm. We knew the sub reddit existed because acerbater taunted us about it via messages, and we saw some backlinks to it in the logs. The first content we saw was when it blew-up on reddit new zealand and people started sending us imgur links. Next thing we know, we’re getting blamed for the whole thing. All we do is report on things.

      Over the years, E2NZ has become reddit new zealand’s boogy man – blamed for anything that goes wrong. We can only surmise that some of our readers may have taken objection to that and are fighting back. Our reasoning for agreeing to talk to you was that if you wanted the drama to stop it would be a good idea for you to issue an apology to E2NZ, to admit we’d been unjustly accused and will tolerate no further false accusations. If our readers are the ones causing trouble (and we don’t think they are) this may be sufficient to make them to stop.

      Of course, there is another explanation for the drama. It’s being caused by an disgruntled member of Area 64. Look at the screen shots and see if you can tell who was logged-in when they were taken.

      In summary. The Area 64 screenshots show E2NZ is very much the victim here and has been for some time. Area 64 members, dead rooster and acerbater, are responsible for that.

      At the same time, we can’t offer an outright apology post, but we could have an overarching discussion on the state of the subreddit which is heavily hinted in that direction and implied to be inspired by recent events with Area 64. Main reason for this is that since Area 64 people don’t trust the moderators, and a public apology from all of us when only a couple were actively involved will only damage that more.

      I can’t offer you advice about to engage your members, or the type of discussion you have. But I do think you’re hamstrung by having dead rooster as your senior, this gives him the ability to remove mods below him on the list doesn’t it? It should be him who makes the apology, not you.

      I can talk to SIS-NZ and see what I can do, though I think you might be right. We’ve already told him to back off, but it doesn’t look like he listened to that. As for the post deletion side of things, we can’t be everywhere at once and we rely on people reporting posts to bring stuff to our attention.

      As you may know, we have a zero tolerance policy for trolls on this site. You say you have told him to back off but he hasn’t. He’s still sending us hate mail. You’re aware that he’s been banned from reddit in the past but you still allow him to post and cause friction. Is there a reason why you haven’t (or can’t) ban him?

      If you see something of this regard you think is worth deletion then report it and say so, so that it’s easily visible to us.

      Sorry, no. We can’t and won’t report things to you. We want nothing to do with reddit and will not create an account. We will not change this policy. Our suggestion is that we advise our readers to report anything they see on reddit about E2NZ to the reddit admin, we can make a statement to that effect somewhere on the site.

      At the same time though, we wouldn’t do this without an agreement that the people at your end will stop the harassment of the subreddit or its members, mainly through the constant stream of new accounts posting screenshots from Area 64 or whatnot.

      We are not responsible, we’re not the ones making a constant stream of new accounts. We get sent the links to Area 64 screenshots…just like you do.

      You got your point across and got BalchyNZ to resign, there’s no point in continuing to damage the subreddit for what quickly begins to look like a vendetta against it. If you do have a problem with certain members, I’d love it if you were able to try and keep that separate from /r/NewZealand.

      We had nothing to do with BalchyNZ resignation and don’t understand why you think we’d want him to go. Nor why you think we have a vendetta against your sub. Your regulars seem to be doing a good job of damaging it all on their own. Reddit New Zealand is a minor player in the overall scheme of things and is one of our lessor referrers.

      The converse appears to be true – /r/NewZealand has a vendetta against E2NZ: you allow a constant stream of abuse from your members about this site

      [Edit 4/4/16: or anyone they incorrectly think is associated with it – this was posted three days ago and wasn’t removed despite your assurances

      Finally, you permit them to accuse the “E2NZ guy” of all manner of things without any evidence. You yourself are guilty of this:

      TeHokioi (moderator): I’m not saying he’s better or worse, just that the e2nz guy is the one who keeps spamming everyone with screenshots and trying to stir things up on this subreddit. The other stuff doesn’t happen here, and I’m not going to go and say what people on this subreddit can or can’t do elsewhere. It becomes our issue when it happens on this subreddit or as a result of it (eg. PMing users because they are a regular here)

      Your head mod owns a sub called /r/E2NZ and another sub he owns (/r/Area64) talks about discrediting this site and breaking into it.

      We respectfully suggest you put your own house in order.

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