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  1. By the way, I wanted to state again that my employer is paying all my costs associated with moving there and getting set up, so I am not out-of-pocket on anything.

    That said, my Aussie friends are also encouraging me to go just as a springboard to getting to Australia. I’ll give ‘er a go.

    A Texan’s last words: “Hey y’all, watch this.”

  2. Congratulations, E2! The good service you provide for humanity in the name of truth and balance is immeasurable. Please keep it up. The more people who hear that there is a place to add their stories, the more stories will be published online. To Engineered – the kids will definitely learn to become much quieter and put themselves “out there” less. Confidence is something they do not want anyone to have in New Zealand. Mine lost their spontaneity and became very watchful, double-thinking everything, not “daring” until they were able to come home to the States, where they could relax and be themselves, be more outgoing. New Zealand society has a nasty way of clipping your wings for you! “The nail that sticks up” etc. They do have racial tensions there. You may not come in for the usual haranguing that Americans get because of your racial blend (you may receive a dispensation, that is). If you are ex-military with conservative views, you may come in for MORE haranguing, If you “look” Asian, you may come in for more haranguing as well. Their education system is 2 to 3 years behind America’s. I would say to give it a try, if you are set on it (do you have a written legal document committing for that salary level? read the stories on some of these forums where migrants were victims of bait and switch) but if you are happy enough where you are, please don’t. It is a specific culture for a specific sort of person http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=926&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=e299178563c2baa9ef84308bf49fad5a and it;s expensive to live there. Your savings disappear very soon. So save enough to come back if you do not like it – don’t spend your buffer. And leave most of your things in storage. It costs insane amounts of money to move an entire household back out of New Zealand once you have been depleted there. I found Aussies to be pretty nice – Kiwis, well, there are some nice ones, but for some reason you are more likely to meet jerks, especially if you go live there and “take one of their jobs”. For us, and for people in general (the number of people I know who left that place but have not posted on here, IME, is very high – they just wrote it off to “not quite our kind of place, though pretty” and don’t want to look at their mistake in a negative light, and moved on. The tens of thousands of dollars you stand to lose (like we, and others, did) by moving to a bad place is a lot. The application fee is nothing compared to sums of that scope, if you want to back out. There is nothing wrong in double-thinking a bad decision! 🙂 Good luck to you, whatever you do.

    • Thanks for the great information! As I replied above I don’t have any options other than living in New Plymouth. I am fortunate that I have been offered a job plus relocation expenses and some other perks by my new employer so my out-of-pocket is minimal.

      For years I lived in some f-ed up places in L.A., the American South, Hawaii and Micronesia and I was hoping New Plymouth would be an improvement at least over the Pacific Islands. My issue will most likely be with the poor housing and cold weather, if they’re really that bad.

      Now that you mention it, I notice Aussies are more open and gregarious, while Kiwis can be tight-lipped and disapproving to the point of arrogance.

      • This comment “Now that you mention it, I notice Aussies are more open and gregarious, while Kiwis can be tight-lipped and disapproving to the point of arrogance.” really nails it.
        We are in Australia now and the culture here is very upbeat, positive, straight forward. In NZ everything seems to have a dark side or hidden meaning to it.

        It sounds like you are going in with a good situation job wise. I would say be vigilant about your personal safety. Your accent will attract attention and for some reason a lot of NZers view all Americans as being rich and may target you. There is a view that “Americans think they’re better than everyone” there and so I would expect a lot of George Bush comments etc to try and put you in your place. Even simple things like wearing a North Face jacket in a poor environment might read as displaying your wealth.

        The housing is generally bad, see if you can find a house that has insulation in the floors, ceilings and walls (not that common).

        Just basically check in regularly with yourself about how things are going and make a note if you are starting to become depressed etc. The darker parts of the culture can creep up on you. You will notice that alcohol is basically the central part of most social functions there.

        Keep a close eye on your kids at school – bullying is very common there. One option is always to pull them out of school and have them study by correspondence.

        Yes, there are some pleasant NZers, some really lovely old farming families, some forward thinking younger people. But the culture itself is very odd. As long as you are secure in yourself and have a strong support system and have an exit strategy in place I think you will be well prepared.

        Just for your own interest, there is a book called The Passionless People written about NZ. It’s pretty old and comes off as being a parody etc but it’s actually fairly accurate. You can find it in second hand shops.

        Wellington is not too far away and it is a really cultured city.

        Just one more thing – think really carefully before going camping if that’s something you might be considering. There’s been quite a number of violent incidents in NZ involving foreigners camping.

        I hope it all goes well with you, just keep your guard up a bit.

        • Thanks for your reply.

          I got my e-visa on Monday after only four working days’ processing. It did however take a week for my application to get to the nearest processing center (in Tarawa) via Guam, Hong Kong, Sydney and Suva. Couldn’t send it directly to Wellington. Then the application sat for two weeks in Tarawa because the local bank wouldn’t accept a cashier’s check drawn on an American bank and the visa processing consultants there didn’t know what to do. One phone call by me to INZ and the issue was sorted within a week.

          So, I depart Friday to spend a few days with old friends in Honolulu before flying to Auckland and connecting to my new town of New Plymouth. I am to be met by a contracted relocation service consultant, check into a serviced apartment (both paid by my employer) and report for work by the end of next week.

          Of course the latest crime news from NZ is disturbing; even New Plymouth had a couple of nasty incidents in the last couple of weeks.

          I was reading a bit, and watching some old British movies over the weekend and I had some thoughts. Could some aspects of white NZ character be put down to their Scottish roots? Scots are infamously thrifty (not to say stingy), prim, cold, judgmental and at times violent. I wouldn’t say Kiwis bring the tough Highlander or cultured Edinburghian to mind, but rather more the archetypical working-class Glaswegian.

          How much crime in NZ is perpetuated by Maori? What’s the impetus for their tendencies toward crime and violence? What is the source of contention between white Kiwis, Maori, and immigrants?

          Hawaii also suffers I think from violent crime committed disproportionately by Hawaiians. Mind, there are damn few “pure” Hawaiians; most are a mix of Hawaiian, Filipino, Chinese, Haole (pakeha/white), “Portagee” and other ethnicities. Hawaiian society, too, is segregated into distinct Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, white and Pacific Islander segments with the Japanese and Chinese being the most insular. The Portuguese-Hawaiians and Puerto Rican-Hawaiians seem to me to be the most criminally-inclined. Some of my best friends on Oahu and Kauai are world-class brawlers, drinkers, thieves and wife-beaters with Iberian surnames and Polynesian first names. Keoki Garcia. Makana Rodrigues.

          Also, Hawaiians, Samoans, Tongans and most Micronesians mutually despise each other and most violence is committed by one group against another. Tourists are supposedly off-limits because of the value of the tourist dollar to Hawaii’s economy. Everyone knows the heat will come down hard if visitors are targeted (they often are, nonetheless, especially Japanese girls).

          Binge drinking in Hawaii is, like in NZ, the most popular pastime. Until one can master the ability to drink a case or more of Bud or Bud Lite at a single barbecue, one hasn’t quite arrived. I consider myself fortunate that in six years in Hawaii I never got in a fight (although a Samoan guy came close). Was it because my friends and co-workers were mostly blue-collar guys? Was it because I avoided walking anywhere in Kalihi and Downtown (one must avoid Waianae regardless of mode of transport, at all costs)? Was I given a pass because of my 1/16th Hawaiian blood and 1/2 Mexican blood?

          But, since this is about NZ, I think I’ll keep a journal and perhaps publish a blog to document my experiences there from Day 1 and compare the place to where I have lived and visited in the States, Europe and Asia.

  3. I am a 46 year-old engineer. American, single (divorced) dad raising two boys ages 9 and 15. I am being processed by INZ for a talent visa with an accredited employer (New Zealand Government). I just stumbled on this site yesterday and I must admit I do have concerns about moving there. I grew up in California and Texas, and served in the US military in the 80s, where my mixed white-hispanic-Hawaiian ancestry always drew some curiosity but never outright hostility. My sons’ mother is Micronesian-Japanese but in all ways (speech, mannerisms, acculturation, self-identity, education) they are American. When we’re in the sun we get tan, and we all have dark brown hair and dark eyes, but are otherwise “white”, I suppose.

    So, I ask, what’s in store for us when we get to Taranaki? I’ve developed a thick skin having lived in some very prejudiced areas of the States (East L.A. is a combat zone and the Civil War hasn’t yet ended in parts of the South) but my sons have largely been sheltered from all that after spending all their lives in Micronesia and Hawaii. They are such smart, funny, kind, sensitive, generous, open and trusting kids I worry about how they will be treated when we get Down There. Do we have reason to be concerned?

    I read many of the comments here and I can say with confidence that the multicultural paradise of Hawaii is a fantasy as well. Native Hawaiians hate everybody; third- and fourth-generation Japanese and Chinese form their own cliques and are very insular; everyone despises military people. I left “home” in Texas in 1996 and never went back as the Mainland states; from my safe remove in the Islands, just seemed to be getting worse every year. In our time in the Pacific I have developed great friendships with most Aussies I know and the Kiwis here have been very nice.

    I work in a very specialized niche sector and the work will pay in excess of NZ$100K per year. Should that be sufficient for our needs in Taranaki?

    I am keeping an open mind….

    • As a white American that lived in New Zealand and now lives in Switzerland, I genuinely have no idea how people will perceive you. Having a job lined up would be enormously advantageous and Taranaki is not as expensive as some other areas of New Zealand.

      However, Taranaki is a bit like landing in the Old South. New Plymouth is not so bad, but the rural towns in Taranaki are largely filled with bogans and deadbeats on benefits. There is a fair amount of tension between Maoris and whites with both sides expressing hostility towards each other. I also know from my work in New Zealand that there is a widespread problem with burglaries and home invasions in Taranaki.

      The people and level of education are on par with what one would find in Alabama. For example, I am a proud gun owner and someone that values the Second Amendment. However, I cannot stand the redneck demographic that uses weapons irresponsibly. Actually, the US redneck demographic tends to be more responsible and safe around firearms compared to their Kiwi counterparts.

      The people in Taranaki are quite dumb even by the low New Zealand standards. Are you sure that a professional like you really wants to end up there and place your kids in substandard schools?

      Lastly, remember that the houses have no central heating. Although the winters are not really cold, you will suffer and freeze in your house.

      I would strongly urge you to read the stories here and reconsider immigrating to New Zealand. Perhaps Australia would be to your liking a bit better?

      • Unfortunately my employer in New Zealand hasn’t offered me any options other than to live in New Plymouth. I grew up in rural south Texas as well as Houston, and was stationed in the South, so I am familiar with those sorts of areas, what with the racial discord and guns all over the damn place. Sounds like many comparisons can be drawn. NZ also seems a lot like Hawaii, with HUGE income and education gaps between different demographic sectors.

        I find that I generally get along with rural, blue-collar Americans, Aussies and Kiwis. Whites generally look me over, wonder about the skin and hair color, then relax when I speak unaccented English. I steer clear of Pacific Islanders as a rule just because I never know which way they will jump. To them and Hispanics, I am white, but to whites I am something “other than”. Weird.

        I tend to keep a very low profile, mind my own business, stay out of conversations and try to be as friendly and non-committal as possible. My issues with NP may be the same as I had in Hawaii: racial tensions, poor-quality schools and general anti-intellectualism. My job is fairly specific and keeps me in touch with others in the industry who, regardless of background, generally respect each other’s accomplishments, so maybe that will become my refuge.

        How is Oakura as a place to live? My older son might go to Spotswood College while I would like to find a good elementary for my younger. I note that Oakura is quite close to NP and has a decile 10 rating. Sounds like life will pretty much be work and home unless my new colleagues are socially active. Will it be easy to meet other expats there, and how are they treated by the locals?

        Same sort of government agency as will employ me in NZ is also hiring in Australia so I may very well end up there if Taranaki doesn’t work out.

        • I am glad to help. New Plymouth is one of the more decent places in New Zealand, but the whole country is one loathsome place worth avoiding.

          In my case, most everything seemed all right for the first six months or a year of being in New Zealand. I did notice some things that were different in a bad way, but I was under the influence of rose coloured spectacles and happy to be somewhere other than the United States.

          My suggestion is to have an escape plan and not commit until you are sure it is for you. The place looks all right from a distance, but it is not until you are there for some time that the novelty wears off and you realise how wretched it is.

          If you have the option to go to Australia, then do it. It has many of the things that you would like about the USA whilst having fewer of the things that you would dislike. I do find Australia somewhat of a police state with all the “safety cameras” on roads and the tax rates are ridiculous. However, the weather and lifestyle are unenviable.

          • The most important difference is the culture and the people. Aussies are generally decent, easy-going and self confident. Most do not look for opportunities to tear others down.

        • Age 45 is the cut-off for PR applications under the skilled migrant category in Australia. Unless your prospective Australian employer really wants you badly, you can forget about other options – unless you have a spare 10 million Australian dollars to invest.

          After becoming a citizen in New Zealand you will be allowed to migrate and live in Australia on an indefinite special category visa. It will take at least 5.5 years to become a NZ citizen if you live here more or less continuously and stay out of trouble. In my opinion, having accomplished the latter, is that it is just not worth it. Of course, the laws could change before then, given Australia’s economic downturn and increasing disdain for the 20% of the kiwi population which has moved there.

          New Plymouth is a nice town, but it is small and geographically isolated. The locals aren’t as bad as in many other cities, but they are still kiwis, and the product of generations of delusional anti-Americanism and cultural superiority.

          I hope for your boys’ sake you reconsider. Regardless how tough you or they may be, they will suffer intellectually and socially, and they will be targeted by gangs of other kids – it’s the kiwi way. And if you are a real Marine and served for any period of time, you will probably find the kiwi mindset very hard to tolerate.

        • If you are a single parent with a demanding job, I would worry about what was happening to your kids while you were working. It is a culture where you do not want to “leave kids to be raised by the general culture”. You have to be present and active. You have to be a bulwark against the drug use (everywhere), generalized negligence (accidents – everywhere. Guess what – lawsuit cap in NZ, so no one is careful, NO ONE), bullying and lowbrow, tall poppy, anti-excellence mentality and crap schools, and like the other poster said, Americans come in for a great deal of snarkiness, both passive and active. The press and government collude to make for laughable propaganda but no one gives enough of a crap about New Zealand to even challenge it, and anyway, they need to keep sucking the people in and shaking them down to stay afloat. For my kids, if nothing else, I would find somewhere else to move. You’d be doing them a disservice.

      • “I am a proud gun owner and someone that values the Second Amendment. However, I cannot stand the redneck demographic that uses weapons irresponsibly.”

        Haha! I know exactly what you mean. I reckon the Marines taught me exceptionally well how to handle weapons and it drives me nuts to see most bozos with they whip out their gun-toys.

        Would be nice to do some shooting in NZ when I get there, anyways. Been years.

        • If you don’t like bozos who don’t know they’re bozos, don’t move to New Zealand, man. Be an improvement over where you have been, except for housing and attitudes, like you say. Demand insulation, pay for better housing, and find expats to hang with and you will be ok as long as you have enough money to leave if you do not like it.

    • I would suggest you reconsider Australia as an option. You sound like someone who comes from a civilised background where basic decency, friendliness, trustworthiness etc are expected. This is not the same background that NZ kids grow up in. It’s a very dog-eat-dog world where violence and illegal behaviour are not far removed from most people’s lives.

      The anti-American sentiment in NZ is not to be sneezed at. Your “Yankness” will always be an issue. High achieving Americans don’t tend to get praised in NZ but instead people try to tear them down.
      Have you investigated the crime rate in Taranaki? From my memory, it’s pretty high. You want to know about the presence of the Mongrel Mob and Black Power gangs – they are very powerful and a lot of the violence in NZ is performed by youths trying to gain entry to those gangs.

      Race – wise you will find that in NZ the Maori issue is pretty huge. The Treaty settlements mean that a lot of Maori now act as thought they can do whatever they like and have little respect for anyone who is non-Maori. This is particularly so in the North Island.

      Have you read about the US teacher’s experience in NZ? Bullying is very common in NZ schools, this time it was against an American teacher: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10409675

      I would read the NZ papers online everyday, and really familiarise yourself with the level and type of violence and with the culture of the place.

      This all sounds a bit scary but you really want to go in with your eyes open. The job may be great but I wouldn’t make any long term commitments such as buying a house until you have been there for a while.

      Regards Spotswood College, this government review puts it at Decile 5, so in the middle, not at the top (Decile 10):
      http://www.ero.govt.nz/Early-Childhood-School-Reports/School-Reports/Spotswood-College-06-09-2011

      • Thanks for sharing the link about the American teacher in Dannevirke. I once saw a 60 Minutes Story about him and it shocked to see how students had treated him. The man was highly accomplished in the mathematics field, but the Kiwi bogans preferred one of their own idiots to teach their children math.

        I would implore the poster to find a place other than New Zealand. The risks with that place are far too high.

        • These are all interesting comments and valid points to consider. I have been here in the Pacific Islands from 1996-1999, in Hawaii 1999-2005, and again in the Islands 2005 to now so my perception of the Mainland US is dated. NZ sounds a lot like Hawaii in terms of the social discord/dysfunction.

          At this point I am making a decision to go to NZ as an alternative to starting over in the States. Australia would be my first choice but the only solid job offer after three years of NGO-type (minimal pay) work here is from the government in NZ. I really can’t expect a $100K job in the States right off the bat after years of being away.

          Ironically my new boss there is Indian-Portuguese from Goa and the guy who referred me is himself a UK transplant. It’s a narrow specialization I have and most work contact will be with other foreigners, government/police types and people in the oil/gas industry. The suggestion I read to mix with other expats will I think be the best course of action.

          Actually, the younger white kiwis I know here seem more pleasant than the older generation. Is this borne out by your experiences? I read the Opinion section in the online NZ Herald and people seem evenly divided between liberal/Green hostility toward the States and old-fashioned conservatism that wouldn’t be out of place in New Hampshire, Vermont, Alabama or Minnesota. Certainly the court punishments I read about seem very light compared to the States and the judges’ quotes seem inappropriately sympathetic to the offenders. That and the generous welfare benefits seem like liberalism gone wrong.

          As in all my other travels I would avoid political discussions. I can see a rural bogan or Maori who never voted in his life trying to bash me, the Yank, for some political opinion I might offer about NZ.

          I’ll give it a shot and keep trying for Oz (also having a shortage in my field), which might actually be easier to get to once I am in NZ, even if the PR takes a couple years.

  4. I’m glad I found this site, NZ is a tragic place to live, I will put my full story up soon.

    Just as a side note, I received an email from a construction worker in Christchurch a few months ago via my website, asking if I had any work in this area as he was returning home due to the high cost of living.

    And to think, I was considering closing my business down to move there, I’m glad I didn’t now.

    Interesting read if anyone is thinking of making the move http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9855596/Christchurch-rebuild-ripoffs-nail-migrants

    I’m not sure is this would happen to British workers and you do get this in the UK with some small outfits, the difference being the UK are not promising long term work and good wages to foreign construction labour.

    • Thanks, we look forward to hearing more from you.

      A while ago NZ was specifically targeting Irish construction workers for Christchurch work, any opinion on why them specifically?

  5. Many thanks for displaying the views of people who have experienced the so-called “classless” , “clean, and green” , “merit-based” , “non-racist” , “intellectual” environment of New Zealand.
    In quotes, of course 🙂

  6. Congratulations! This is a clear win for the cause that E2NZ is promoting. Sometimes i wonder about the loss of the opportunity cost of such would be migrants, who didn’t came to NZ after reading this blog. NZ not only lost the direct economic benefit, but also the overtime contribution that they could have made,both financial and non financial, Had they been provided with a ‘level playing field’.

    The morons running NZ don’t seem to be very happy about this blog, no wonder the frequent ranting about it. Keep up this good work, 2 million hits not too far away!

    • Thanks Vigilante, E2NZ.org’s growth has been exponential due to the support people like you have given to the site.

      Keep spreading the news.

  7. Congratulations! Words cannot express how much your blog has done for those of us that needed to detoxify from New Zealand. Thanks a million.

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