Today’s Migrant Tale is taken from a set of questions that someone recently asked on Reddit Personnal finance
At first glance these questions seem reasonable enough, if a little naive. How many New Zealand companies would pay for a trip home once a year, and is it possible to find a reasonably priced, clean/modern apartment central to facilities in either Wellington or Auckland?
Is it wise to anticipate a New Zealand job offer without having any feel for what the salary or relocation package may be (presumably based on some misplaced concept that the NZ lifestyle makes it worth the risk) ?
Should one expect a 25% increase over what is already a good US salary, to work for a company that may value ‘the kiwi way‘ (™) more than how the rest of the world operates?
Overseas experience isn’t always valued as highly as you’d think in New Zealand. The country has often been cited as one in which ambition dies, and the brightest and best leave it to find rewarding careers
What would your advice be to this American civil engineer, working in the energy sector and hoping to negotiate a salary of NZ $140K+?
I currently live in the US and recently interviewed for a firm in New Zealand. The interview went extremely well and I am expecting an offer over the next week. This is the first time I will have ever worked abroad and the position is a permanent position rather than temporary contract. The firm is extremely large (one of the largest engineering firms in the world) and I really liked what they had to say regarding the position and the future vision for the team I’d be joining. We never once discussed salary expectations or my existing salary. My questions are as follows:
- Is it standard to not discuss salary prior to being made an offer?
- Is there typically a standard % salary increase that one should seek when being asked to relocate internationally for a position? I am currently paid rather well in the US but that is due to me being in a very niche industry. I would be working in the same industry in NZ but I am not sure if my current salary is considered high with regards to NZ salaries.
- My hope is to get a salary bump of 25% over my existing salary in order to justify such a big move but I am not sure if that is unreasonable. This can go down if they are willing to cover housing but that is unlikely as this is a permanent position. I am expecting a pay bump at my current firm in December which would make the salary difference 18% between the salary I am seeking with the new firm and my salary at my existing firm this December.
- I would like to negotiate flights home every year. Is this standard or too much to ask?
- Do companies typically offer a relocation bonus? Would it be wise to ask for one if not offered it?
- Considering I am moving so far away from friends and family, would asking for more vacation time due to travel time be acceptable?
- Are there other things that should be offered or asked for?
I am new to this and am extremely excited about the position but I wanted to make sure that I set myself up the best I can if I leave a firm I’m very comfortable at. Any advice is appreciated!…
The above question was also cross posted to /r/newzealand. However, we’ve selected responses from /r/personalfinance for this article.
This is because Reddit New Zealand has a strong censorship policy, and down-vote brigades that stifle negative commentary. Much of that control is perpetrated by the members of /r/area64 (**a hidden sub that brigades, trolls and undermines threads on /r/newzealand, subverting discussion to its own agenda). E2NZ.org played a part in exposing the subversive behavior of /r/area64 by publishing screenshots that were leaked to /r/newzealand.
Here’s a selection of replies from /r/personalfinance
Thei5Guy: So you are interested in a permanent position, but you expect them to cover your flights home once a year?
Companies do commonly cover moving expenses – usually $3000-10,000 depending on circumstance – with the agreement that if you work at the company less than 2 years ( or 5 years, or whatever they choose ) then you pay back all or a portion of the moving expense.
Why would they give you double the vacation time just because you’re relocating? There are probably dozens of people in NZ who would take the position for no extra vaca time – but it’s worth asking.
Another issue you’ll run into – since you mention you “don’t want to take a financial hit” and you mention moving to another firm here in the us can easily net you 10-15% ………Well, NZD is 37% lower than USD and the NZ cost of living is 12-15% higher than in the US …
So for you to feel like you’re not “taking a hit” – they will probably need to offer you around 52% higher salary than they would offer to anyone living in NZ ( and so on )….
Regular14u: NZ is a low wage, high tax, high COL country. Most everything is very expensive due to it’s location and small population. The housing stock is shit and very expensive. Road network is third world with aggressive and rude drivers. It is stunning in its natural beauty.
Kiwis are also notorious for their poor treatment of foreigners, especially highly skilled foreigners in the work place. Do a search for “tall poppy syndrome”, it’s pervasive in NZ.
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