Why Can’t Asians Find Work In NZ?

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Continuing in our series of Migrant Tales – first hand immigrant stories about life in New Zealand, taken from locations around the net.

Today’s tale is taken from a pro-NZ, for profit, emigration forum, in it the Indian poster tells of the enormous difficulties he has had trying to find skilled employment in IT  in New Zealand.

Unfortunately he is not alone in experiencing this problem and there are many Asian engineers, accountants and doctors who have no option other than to drive cabs or run corner shops in New Zealand as there is little other work available to them.

The situation has got so bad that some countries have warned their nationals about the risks they face by migrating to New Zealand believing there to be work available to them: “Philippines consul-general Emilie Shi says Immigration New Zealand is not doing enough to warn would-be applicants about the difficulties of finding a job or telling them that Kiwis will be given preference by employers.”

For background read our blogs “Philippines Warns Citizens About Work to Residence Scheme“, “Migrants Changing Names to Get Jobs” and Skilled Migrants Drive Taxis to Survive

Here is the Tale:

“Hi,

I am a New Zealand Permanent Resident and would like to have your feedback regarding my situation.

I am a IT Professional with 9 years work experience.

I had migrated to New Zealand from India in June 2001 and stayed in New Zealand for 3 years and 9 months. I left New Zealand in late February 2005.

I have worked in 2 IT Companies in Wellington.

During the period from January 2003 – February 2005, i applied for lot of IT jobs through SEEK.co.nz & other online job sites and went for lot of interviews, but i was rejected.

As a result, i suffered huge financial loss & my time was wasted.

I returned to India in late February 2005 and i recieved job offers.

I have applied for job positions in New Zealand from India but i have been rejected.

My skill set is in huge demand, but since January 2003 – Present, i have not recieved a single job offer from a New Zealand Company.

I would like to know the reason why i have not recieved a single job offer from a New Zealand Company since the last 8 years.

Is it because New Zealand is a racist country ?

I think their attitude towards Asians is lethargic & not good.

They just don’t care.

I had to save money and then come to New Zealand.

But now everything has gone down the drain.

I would like to know who will compensate me for the financial loss that i have suffered.

So much time was wasted…

I would like to have your feedback on this.

…I think that i am not getting hired in New Zealand because i am from an Asian Country…. In India, i recieve job offers. New Zealand is a very expensive place. I had wasted 2 years and 2 months looking for a job there.

When i came to New Zealand, i had very high hopes, but now everything is finished….

If they are not willing to hire people from Asia, then why do they say that Asians are welcome to work in New Zealand…

I suffered huge financial loss as a result…. So who will compensate me for this ?….

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478 thoughts on “Why Can’t Asians Find Work In NZ?”

  1. It seems to be a “crime” in NZ to New Zealand employers ( even if you a local), if you are highly qualified with good work experience internationally and shine at interviews . This type of employee are a instant turn off to NZ employers and their chance of them being hired is about the same as employees who have criminal records.

    NZ employers often do not even have basic qualifications, and can be considered uneducated and incompetent (from an international point of view) . They give jobs to their best mates or to the best friends of their best mates (or if you are very cheap to hire and can be bullied into doing excessive work like many workers from India or other poor nations who will work anywhere under any condition as long it is out of their country which has even worse conditions of work)

    The so called skilled shortage occurs in NZ is because they want to hire very cheap and dump all the work on the person they hire. They want a submissive worker who will work like a faithful robot . It is a crime if a hired worker suggests ideas to improve the workplace efficiency and if their quality of work is much better than all the other staff. Workers like this are a threat to the employer and other staff . They will be bullied, back -stabbed and cut down to size with the famous kiwi anti intellectual weapon known as the tall poppy syndrome.(like the way the laser beam weapon is Star Wars is used to cut down people (eg. Darth Vader Vs. Obi Wan Kenobi in Star Wars where Obi Wan Kenobi is cut down by the laser beam of Darth Vader)

    Therefore, unless there is no other choice, highly skilled professionals will rarely be employed by most employers as they feel threatened and expose the low quality of work done by employees in NZ companies

    Best these highly skilled professionals not come to NZ. They should go to truly developed nations to work or to developing nations which offer good salary packages to expat staff like certain African nations, Brunei, Middle east Nations etc

    • What you say there is very true, i even struggled when i was at work experience as i was showing the employees that i can work twice as hard as them

    • Hi Sutibhai,
      I was told by an agent in India that, if my wife can take up an 2 years post-graduation course, I can get 2 years open work permit, which will allow me to work full time in NZ.

      I was thinking to take this option, in order to find a job and also to secure PR, but after reading this option want to ask, is that difficult to get job in NZ ? Even the odd jobs.

      And after spending 1 years also u will not land a job which will help u secure PR.
      Can you suggest to me if I should take this option as I have a 2 year daughter and we were planning to migrate to NZ

      • Don’t be fooled. A graduate work visa only lasts 12 months.

        Odd jobs are not difficult to find but if you factor in costs of living (high rental, etc.) you will be struggling and probably worst off than if you actually stay in India or move somewhere else in Asia.

        Mind you Aussie is not so different from NZ

      • Don’t be fooled by the agent. A graduate work visa only lasts 12 months.

        Odd jobs (dirty, difficult, dangerous) are easy to find but again if you factor in the high costs of living (high rental, high school fees, etc.) you may want to think again if it is still worth it. Jobs relevant to your studies are super duper difficult to find (took a friend of mine 2 years to get a job in accounting, he is NZICA qualified though, and pay is lousy in addition to high tax)

        Don’t be fooled by the “free education” for kids. The cheapest kindy I sent my kids to, costs around NZD174 a week.

      • Amit, just letting you know moving to New Zealand is not a good idea:

        If you intend to live in New Zealand be prepared that you may be in for a shock when it comes to the medical system, after hours clinic can be very expensive and they can cost from $65-$70 NZD thats just for seeing the doctor and $20+ for prescriptions and if you need to visit a Emergency Department or Hospital in New Zealand, you could be waiting 4-6 hours. Housing could also be a major shock, a lot of houses in New Zealand are cold or substandard, in winter they can get very cold, the fireplace is still very common in New Zealand and it is still very common for many families in New Zealand to burn wood during winter.

        The tax also in New Zealand is quite high as well and just ponder is it worth moving to New Zealand when even the people who were brought up in their own country have to even move overseas to get a job in order to pay off their student loan or in order to feed their own family.

  2. I spent the summer doing work experience in the IT industry in Wellington, I managed to see a lot, it is very obvious many IT companies fight for Government contracts when it comes to installing routers, switches, telephones and etc.

    Today one of my Weltec tutors claimed New Zealand offered very good pay or salaries for IT Network Engineers or Administrators, when I heard that, I nearly fell out of the chair laughing and another student who sat next to me who is a local born told the tutor if that is even true why have many international Bachelor in IT or local bachelor in IT students have completely left the country and moved overseas to get work and pay off their student loan, after that the tutor literally fell silent

    • Hi

      I am a Mechanical Engineer having experience in Sales of Spare Parts and am in process to complete my Emigration process, I am planning to move with family in the next 3 to 4 months.
      Currently I am in Dubai.
      Would it be advisable, please reply

      • My opinion is No, many young New Zealand people have left the country to work overseas because they have huge student debt, hint my one is already $80,000+ and I am considering leaving because i simply can’t make good wages while working in IT, just remember when you come to New Zealand you won’t be able to get any WINZ (Work and Income) assistance and by the way a lot of New Zealand jobs pay way less than Dubai, even places like Hong Kong, Beijing, Singapore, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, London are attracting young New Zealand people who want to do their Overseas Experience aka OE

        If you intend to live in New Zealand be prepared that you may be in for a shock when it comes to the medical system, after hours clinic can be very expensive and they can cost from $65-$70 NZD thats just for seeing the doctor and $20+ for prescriptions and if you need to visit a Emergency Department or Hospital in New Zealand, you could be waiting 4-6 hours. Housing could also be a major shock, a lot of houses in New Zealand are cold or substandard, in winter they can get very cold, the fireplace is still very common in New Zealand and it is still very common for many families in New Zealand to burn wood during winter.

        The tax also in New Zealand is quite high as well and just ponder is it worth moving to New Zealand when even the people who were brought up in their own country have to even move overseas to get a job in order to pay off their student loan or in order to feed their own family.

  3. Yeah NZ employment is very tough even if you are a New Zealander. A lot of kiwis work overseas because of this, I am one of them. I can tell you that when I grew up in NZ it was not a multicultural country, it is changing but very slowly its a very small country so isolated. In my experience there are cultural differences which influence who I work with eg when an indian says Yes he means yes I heard you, not yes I understand or yes I will do that.

  4. The ground reality is that its a nightmare out there , I have just returned back from Auckland back to India for good as I spent 8.5 months looking for a job ( in the building construction / fit out industry which apparently is at al ALL TIME high ) and was unsuccessful, all employers say” You don’t have NZ experience” , ( I do have international experience of doing one off projects in Sydney, Singapore and Mumbai though and very briefly also worked in Christchurch ) so please be extremely careful before taking the plunge, DO NOT move with family unless you have a job for yourself and have settled into it completely . It was very demoralising and it hit my confidence to an all time low … I am also recognised by IPENZ as a Civil Engineer …. Its a very expensive city to live in, travel is expensive as well .. Small country, too many migrants and fewer jobs, there is No shortage of skilled people .. it doesnt seem to be true at all .. else migrants would have been employed receiving on the job training ..

    • Hi sir,iam also a civil engineering graduate.I was planning to move on to New Zealand with intentions of getting a job as civil engineer there.My plan was to initially do a course and later in the 1 year left on the student visa period find a good suitable job in my own sector.I have decided to take this step as I heard that NZ offers good opportunities for civil engineers as several reconstruction works are being taking place there as an outcome of a recent earthquake.What is the authenticity in this?

  5. I come from Hong Kong, now I also work in the IT field in Wellington. It could be difficult for foreigners / expats to find a job, especially for the first few years here even though you have work visa or even Permanent Resident. It is because Kiwis are not like those who travel from the other side of the world to here, Kiwis don’t like risk. And for sure, they don’t like people who are not sure would they go back to their home country next month. Things will be better if you stay in a job for a few years before your real job hunting.

    If you say they just don’t like Asian, you cannot explain why those New Zealand born Asians get good and stable jobs in New Zealand.

    Skill-wise or knowledge-wise, New Zealand is not a country like US. It is not as demanding as the States. Management in here usually just wants things get done, whether it is perfect or not, it is fine. So when the manager hires someone, as long as the person hits the requirements they look for, they would go for a stable and known person (like graduated from the same univ as the hiring manager, at least they know the university is to what level).

    And equally important, it may be because of luck or timing or some other things that you cannot control. I have also seen Indians land pretty well in NZ.

  6. Hey Bill,
    I disagree that all Indians live in a bubble.
    you cannot generlise the entire Indian community based on your experiance.
    So now you want Indians to change for you and expect your kind of humor.
    No matter how hard we Indians try kiwi will not accept them because they do not want to.

    • Bill’s experience (or lack there of) says a lot about what expats complain about kiwis on this site. His total lack of respect for fellow immigrants (he himself is talking about “our language” while living in Australia) speaks volume about hypocrisy embedded in kiwi DNA

  7. Robyn, for some reason there is no reply button to your post.

    “that do not get hired because some foreigner has come along and taken the job.”

    This is BULLSHIT. They didn’t lose a job because it was stolen. Damn, are kiwis STILL spouting this SHIT? They didn’t get it because someone was better than them. Same thing happens if a kiwi is more qualified than another kiwi, or because of rife kiwi nepotism you like to ignore.

    My wife is Filipino. Did she also ‘steal’ her job? Does she have less right than a random kiwi because she has more skill than them and is better suited? Yeah, you sound like the type who does think such nonsense.

    All kiwis do is complain. You complain about not wanting to do certain jobs, then whine when a foreigner takes them. You whine when there’s a skills shortage like in the healthcare section but howl because NZ has many Filipino nurses, who do the job much better by the way. I know many kiwis whose ailing parents are or were taken care of by Filipinos and hear nothing but praise, not that I needed that hard evidence due to having spent much time with the Filipino people due to my wife.

    And my favorite, you whine about all these homeless, poor, and hard done by kiwis, but will NEVER open your door or your wallet to help them. If kiwis actually acted on this instead of whining, we wouldn’t have a poverty problem.

    Part of my job is to help foreigners integrate and find work here. You must really hate me for that right? lol. I enjoy every second of it.

  8. Hi to all,
    It is wise to research about a country before moving there whether to study or to live.
    Fact New Zealand is a small country so without looking at anything else it is easy that things are going to be tough and difficult.
    There are these education establishment which are not recognised any where not even in New Zealand, so why people come to study there.
    If I want study further I atleast ensure I join the reputable establishments.
    I have come from UK , never lived in India and settled well with good job , but saying that , if I can turn the clock back , my decision would be to remain in UK.
    I live in Melbourne Australia now , but still work for New Zealand clients, that is the technology , you can work from anywhere.
    So for those who are not here in New Zealand and planning to come then please think before you come here. Unless you are studying in an university not private colleges springing up everywhere, then it is ok, but do not expect to find job, or Obtain PR. Do not come to NZ.
    For those who are here studying in colleges and not at the universities, pack you bag and do not waste time or your money, there is no future in NZ.
    For those who migrated here and have PR and no where to turn back, they do not have a choice but to continue and fight for equal opportunity, until than work in low paid jobs and hope for the best.

  9. I am planning to do post graduation diploma in finance in NZ. After reading all these comments. I’m feeling really bad, since I was really hoping on it. I want to settle in NZ and make a good career. Should I change my plan? Indians do not get good jobs really… Whereas I saw many jobs sites like seek and all they have jobs.. But really Indians don’t get jobs.. Is it really soo bad? It would be really helpful if someone genuinely reply. Thanks 😦

    • Unless you have a job offer that is legally binding (ask a lawyer if it is),
      you have NO job offer.
      “Good faith” agreements only work … if you have the ability to punish someone who breaks the agreement.

  12. Hello everyone.

    I start by saying that I am not Asian but a non-English speaker European who would like to share his current experience with you. I read most of the comments below and I can assure you that this situation is to be extended to all the non-English speakers coming to NZ.
    As I have been noticed the only people who do not struggle when they come here in NZ are only the English native speakers from U.S., Canada, U.K. and Ireland.

    I am a Multimedia Designer with 5 years’ experience in my area and I have been applying for qualified jobs since I moved here in November 2014. Obviously I cannot demand to get an interview every time I apply for a job but what I have noticed is that Kiwi employers always (let’s say 99% of the time) prefer to hire other Kiwi or native speakers (usually U.K.). Nothing wrong with that since I guess it happens in every country all around the world; the problem is that most of the time they tend to discard your application even though you are more qualified and experienced than a native speaker. And it happens non only for qualified jobs but for every type of employment, no matter what. Living in Wellington I have been looking around enough to say that a lot of Kiwi workers are really lazy and sometimes even unable to do their job properly but it looks like it doesn’t matter because they speak fluently and are from NZ. Then why posting job offers where you require skills like “work ethic”, “can do attitude” and stuff like that when you consider most of the time only English fluency over them? My English level is pretty decent (my father is a native speaker) and I have never struggled during an interview or for communicating with people around yet it is really difficult to find a job.
    If I was from U.K. I would have found a qualified job already.

    Speaking of social integration I am not the kind of person who tends to stick together with his countrymen rather I prefer to know new people to exercise my English and learn something new about different cultures.
    It is quite easy to get along with basically everyone but Kiwi people; I do not know, probably they don’t usually like to spend their time with you because a lack of comprehension/understanding…who knows?

    Well I am sorry for the long comment, just wanted to express my solidarity with all the people (not only from Asia) who are currently struggling for finding a job in NZ.

    Best of luck to you all.

    A struggling migrant. 🙂

    • “from U.S., Canada, U.K. and Ireland”
      Me, being from to US, would have to say that, although being a english 1st language speaker, have had similar experiences. So don’t feel as though you’re being singled out just because you do not speak english well.

      • What I was trying to say is that usually they tend to hire people who can speak English perfectly and for you guys (native speakers) it is obviously easier compared to other people. I am not saying that it is easy but speaking English as first language is obviously an advantage. As I said in my first comment it is a very common thing which happens pretty much everywhere (my opinion) since even in my country people do this. I have seen with my own eyes (in my country) hiring managers discarding CVs just after reading the citizenship. And most of the people who have been rejected were really qualified and motivated.

        I apologies if I offended you someway, I did not mean to do that at all.

        Was just trying to focus on a common problem and I am sorry that you have had similar experiences. Nevertheless native English speakers have obviously way less problems in finding a job compared to us and the number of native speakers who usually struggle to find it here is meaningfully lower.

        • No offence.
          I have found little advantage for having english as a 1st language speaker. Outside of being able to converse at the supermarket [and have received abuse when an American accent is heard], speaking english [with an American accent] is not “advantageous”.
          As has been mentioned on here numerous times, NZ has a dis-functional love/hate relationship with America/Americans. Kiwis love American; music, fashion, style, products, entertainment…Kiwis really don’t like Americans very much, especially in the work place, they feel so threatened and “behind” [usually justified}.
          So for me, speaking english [with an American accent] has not really been helpful, and I don’t want to lie and say I’m from Canada. They seem to be liked better, I think Kiwis relate to being confused with Australians as Canadians are confused with Americans.

          • It is an interesting point of view. Probably I have heard something like that but I didn’t think that you guys (Americans) could struggle that much. Also I have never thought that Kiwi people could abuse someone for some silly reasons. Very sorry and I wish you best of luck in the future buddy!

            PS: I agree with you when you say you don’t wanna lie, we should be proud of where we come from.

  13. My parents are in now full regret of coming to New Zealand, they thought coming in 1994 it was they beauty and dream land they came for, but now when I tell them its best to leave New Zealand after my father turns 65, they attack me for calling them out for the decision, it did not take me a while to discover New Zealand offered no future to the youth, most of the youth that I have met at Weltec in Wellington who are in the IT field plan on leaving New Zealand for good after they graduate regarless if having work experience or not and the other night my parents saw on TV that New Zealand has a long surgery wait time, at least in Hong Kong if you are on the surgery waiting list, it might take up to a year and the doctors will still follow up, in New Zealand none of that and when I tell my parents that they are better off selling up and leave New Zealand and if possible take their pension back to Hong Kong with them, they don’t like what I am saying, also my mum is unemployed and has been searching for work for months, its not easy in New Zealand

  14. why are indians and other immigrants in 2015 STILL so extremely stupid to come to hopeless NZ? In this modern world of technology and connectivity, why are they so extremely stupid beyond belief not to have found out from the internet and from other easily available sources that NZ is crap when it comes to jobs and offers a banana republic lifestyle ?
    . In the past I was sympathetic towards the plight the Indian and other immigrants to NZ plight but not anymore. I think the really stupid people are the indian and other immigrants who believe that NZ is a land of honey and gold. They are the real losers with no brains. Amazingly stupid is all I can say and they can easily win the Nobel Prize for stupidity . Do your homework before you come. Its easy and you do not have to be a rocket scientist to find out the truth about NZ before foolishly thinking of migrating to NZ. Disgraceful losers are those immigrants still thinking of coming to NZ in 2015.

    • Sutibai, u r certainly right i completley agree with you. I am sooo lucky i found a job in Australian then moved on a 5 yr. contract overseas in China. can i just add one more thing please. even when you get a professional job in new zeland the pay is very low. I make now 2.5 the same amount of money i would have made with same postion in nz, don’t forget the bloody hight taxes. i am not trying to be mean at all but i agree with you on ” why are indians and other immigrants in 2015 STILL so extremely stupid to come to hopeless NZ? In this modern world of technology and connectivity” i mean people don’t go to the internet and check when my brother in law asked me the other day if he can immigrate to nz to get a better job i told him :BIG NO NO. thanks Sutibai.

      • I agree as well, there are no jobs here for Indians, they entertain you only if you have “NZ experience” . Its a beautiful country though. I have been around here for 8 months ( April to Dec 2015 ) and secured many interviews with employers as well as recruiters but they are just not willing to give an opportunity even at a lower designation and this is within the construction industry which is at a boom presently . Don’t go by what recruiters say and be prepared to face rejections and times when employers refuse to call you back or update you with your application. Don’t waste your time and money getting here , its simply not worth it. They are terribly slow and afraid of over qualified people and the standard reply is ” You don’t have NZ experience” , God bless you if you intend to come over to NZ

        • “They are terribly slow and afraid of over qualified people”

          Slow and ignorant. I had a conversation with a guy [kiwi] on a site and told him that there were three [official] ways of doing something. He knew of only one [as that is all that was taught to him] and he was emphatic that his way was the best and only REAL way. I showed him a piece of equipment that had marks on it to achieve one of the ways to do this task. He didn’t even know what the marks were for or even that they were there. Ignorant is kind for stupid and they are stuck on it.

    • Hey Sutibai ,

      I am an indian, I am also planning to study and work in NZ. Is it really diffcult to find a job for indian in NZ? Please can you help me ways to find better employment in NZ. Also these days NZ is much in demand for Study and Work. If it would be really that bad then I dont think many people would opt for. I am from finance backgroud are there oppurtinity there in my feild?

      • hey jinal .. so u applied for the course or not? bcos here m also planning for same.. But I m from IT background .
        Nishi

    • I have just returned from Auckland after spending 8.5 months there struggling to get a job opportunity in the construction sector and got a standard reply” You do not have NZ experience” , I landed up meeting many recruiters and employers as well, but no one was willing to give me the chance, as I result I decided to return to India for good and pursue my career there as I had no option left . No doubt its racism and colour of the skin that matters … but if you do get a foot in the door, its a great country to live in.. I lost time and money chasing my dreams and I request all migrants to be very careful before you make the move.. !! This is my sincere advise.

  15. i have no racial views but why cant kiwis asian or any nationality find work in nz at times is real picture

  16. Pls people, whoever is reading this, stop thinking of moving to NZ! This is not a better place as the NZ government promises. Trust me , please don’t waste your money. Especially Students!!! do not even think of spending your hard-earned money here. NZ government says they offer 2 year work visa after studies, but it is very very very hard to find a job, because they give preference to kiwis!, because most of the employers here do not want to get involved in your visa processes and therefore they look for employees with PR or citizenship (unless you are really skilled and ur occupation is under skilled-shortage). Even for those who are highly skilled, the chances of securing a job here is 1 in 300. So please I beg from you all, go somewhere else! I have seen so many student cry after their job search visa expires.. It is a nightmare in here…so pls pls do not spend ur money on education in NZ. Try moving to Canada, Australia, USA..

    • Hi Desilavsha
      You are right, but like you people find it too late.
      You need to spread your experience in India so to stop before they have already made their plans.
      Australia is no good either .

    • It’s actually only a 1 year work visa after your studies
      AND
      when you speak to companies hiring (qualified) professionals, they will tell you
      “we only hire permanent residents or citizens”.

      This means,
      if you want to get hired in New Zealand,
      you need to have previously spent AT LEAST 5 YEARS there.
      (2 years for the EOI+approval AND 3 years for university qualifications)

    • u are absolutely right Desilavsha . but u need to let people in your country (friends, relatives, etc.) know that. even do it in your own language. I was lucky i got my degree and left this country to Australian then to overseas in a better position. but i have seen many others in a very dire situation. thank you for the post and honest.

    • Hi Desilavsha,

      I am also planning to move NZ as to study and then work. Is it that tought to find job in NZ in one year. I am planning to do PG in Finance .I am an indian , reading your comments I am really tensed now , because I am really hoping to get good oppurtinites in NZ. Because I’m tired working in Mumbai now and wanted to explore . Since studying NZ is comperatively low cost wise then any other country like Australia , Canada, Please reply me , it would be really helpfull. Thankx .

      Jinal

  17. Why cant Asians find work? maybe your life will be directed to a better life. There are kiwis finding work and not happy because of a socially crippled environment, NZ has the highest nation holding a high cost to Government on bullying incidents. Prime TV has started this 3 episode programme and I recommend it if anyone has a chance. http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/69868306/bullies-tv-tackles-nzs-shame – sadly under entertainment but its not entertaining trust me. The show started yesterday 7th July at 8.30pm on Prime TV, every Tuesday at 8.30. Bullying is a serious epidemic in NZ, they accuse Australians to be racist but guess what Kiwis are mostly bullies. No body wins. No grass is greener on either side, but you have to water your side and look after it.

    • I agree. Kiwi are the real scums when it comes to racism. They are passive aggressive. Aussies are way better than them, however they are no saint either. However, one thing that is is good about Australia, is that it has opportunities, and handwork does translate to better life (compared to NZ) for migrants. I can give you a personal example of my cousin who went to Australia in 1996, from India, with $400 in his pocket, and 19 years after, he is a successful businessman and has gathered wealth in excess of AU$600 million dollar and is a ‘rich lister’ there. I couldn’t imagine the same for myself if i stay here.

      So, its primarily the lack of opportunities and small mindedness of kiwis which aches migrants. I can put up with racists, given that I am on a level playing ground.

      NZ is a land, where i find hard to relate to anybody, or anything. NZ now is what Australia used to be in 1970’s.

  18. What a sad story, yes I have no doubt that highly skilled migrants are doing a job that they wouldn’t do. Once here they do not have a choice . How do NewZealand determines skill shortage? Do they keeps a register of some sort? So when these skilled migrant apply do they match a skill level to these shortage and allocate them the job. The whole system is in a mess.
    There is no logic to apply fora skilled migrant category visa, it takes nearly two years to process and by that time offer if you were lucky would have disappeared. Things would have changed.
    You get my point.

    • The whole system (in NZ) is in a mess.
      Maybe the system is working exactly the way it is supposed to:
      Pull the wool over the eyes of qualified people.
      Get them to contribute skills and insight at a cheap price.
      And finally, kick them out or indenture them.
      (get their money put into company investment now, which is riskier, rather than government bonds, which are safe … they must “prove their love” for our country)
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/70031958/government-launches-plan-to-attract-billions-more-from-wealthy-migrants

      We assume the homily “work hard and you will succeed” is accurate or will be enforced by external authorities or “community leaders”.
      There is a name for that fallacy, it’s called “the just world fallacy”.

  19. Additionally,

    If you don’t WORSHIP Rugby (much much more than Cricket back in India) and don’t drink heavily… socialising and networking for business prospects in NZ is next to impossible.

    So, Choose Wisely Live Well mate.

  20. Hi Lakshminarayanan S,

    Don’t want to harsh your mellow…(as they say in the US), but you would be FAR BETTER OFF and better placed finding descent work in US or even Canada than in NZ.

    For once, You would be facing racism WITHOUT A DOUBT; as it is an overt practise in NZ to discard CVs without even checking for professional qualifications and experience… if happen to be form applicants with with foreign sounding names (unless you were to change it to a western sounding one).

    Secondly, you may hear things like… you are either inexperienced (read…don’t have NZ experience) or we don’t recognize your qualification (it being not acquired through NZ universities).

    Thirdly, you WILL NOT get the infrastructure; neither professional nor personal-especially pertaining to housing.

    Fourthly, if you get lucky in securing an employment by grace of The All Mighty, you would end up working under bosses who would (as a thumb rule) be less qualified than you (read as high-school graduates and most certainly without a masters degree).

    Fifthly, earnings and savings ratio will be one of the lowest to say the least; so if you are planning to cash in the boom back in India, by way of sending back money and the likes of it… you may as well have to forget it.

    To summarise, do take your time to go through a good number of posts and comments posted here and do consult your fellow peers and acquaintances who are of foreign (Indian or not?) origin if happen to be already in NZ on work (not vacation); before you take a final call.

    Good Luck n Cheers mate.

  21. Hello people, I am an Indian , currently I am doing Masters in Chemical Engineering in USA.. I am Planning to apply for a job related to my field In NZ, Can anybody Please tell me my chances of getting one..

    • Why do you even bother coming to NZ from the land of opportunities that U.S. is. I am an Indian living here since last seven years and I would love to swap my position with you. It’s a waste of your time here, as here if you aren’t one of them, you would be working in gas stations, not as chemical engineer. Read the thread above.

    • Sometimes, I think it is better to let someone else do the talking about whether you can find a job commensurate with your qualifications, in New Zealand, when you are “seen as different”:
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/69635773/Slain-taxi-drivers-family-fights-for-the-Kiwi-dream
      …
      The couple arrived in New Zealand from Mumbai in 2003, full of hope for their new life. Mohini was an accountant, his wife a quality-control chemist. “We came here for better prospects and better living standards, and then an unknown person from a different country suddenly.….that’s the thing that is still in my mind,” Falguni Mohini says.

      Hiren Mohini wanted to own his own family home. It was why he was out driving a taxi at all hours, picking up the sober, the drunk, the dangerous. “His dream was to buy a house for us, so to fulfil his wish I bought a house within a year after his death,” Falguni says.

      …
      Life has changed substantially. She has changed career, taking a new job as a teacher aide at New Windsor School, giving her constant contact with Yashvi and Hetvi. “The school has been very good to me, they have given me an opportunity to spend time with them. It’s very nice to be with them. The girls are happy about it, if they see me, they come and hug me.”
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      She has had to learn to drive, because “he used to drive us everywhere, wherever I wanted to go he used to take me there, and his daughters and Mum.”

      and this:
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11172701
      It takes a typical immigrant 12 years to get the same wages and type of job that a New Zealand-qualified person would get.

      Remember, you are committing yourself – and possibly your family – to your decision about migration.

    • Hate to burst your bubble but ZILCH – You will be driving a cab before you will be working in the Chemical engineering field. I am an overly qualified American that has been here for 3 yrs – it has been next to impossible to find a job unless someone “knows you” here – it is very small-town mentality. Kiwis feel threatened by you if you have more qualifications than they do, and when they feel threatened, they bully you. So read the comments and pay homage to the advice here. People are NOT friendly to outsiders.

      • Completely Agree. New Zealand feels like a village that got stuck in time. There is ZERO respect for knowledge, education and learning here. I have great respect for countries like USA, even though I don’t totally support their foreign policy. However, America is a country built on merit, where there is a level playing field based upon your hard work and achievements. This country is the total opposite of that, here the societal philosophy surrounds ALL BLACKS and RABID IMMIGRANT BASHING. Most kiwis I talk to, couldn’t talk beyond sports and booze, there is neither rhythm nor wisdom in their speech, their monotonous irksome boozy accent talking crap hounds me to death.

        Its ALL MONKEY HIRING MONKEYS AND SELF PRAISING HERE, there is nothing of SUBSTANCE in this isolated landmass filled with intellectual freak.

        • Gosh Im so overwhelmed by all the negativity in this thread. I am a New Zealand citizen and I know that employers are bound by the law where it states that a New Zealand citizen has rights to employment over foreigners. I am PROUD of my country but I must agree with some of the things all you people have written about. Yes we are ALL underpaid except for the Employers and the Govt at this time are all for the businessmen and not for the workers who are the ones that actually make the money for the employer. I agree that we pay such high rates of tax except when you are a large business and can claim all sorts of tax writeoffs. I agree that a lot of new Zealanders are so caught up in glorifying RUGBY and other sport that doesn’t actually benefit the majority of people. But I DONT agree that our country is an isolated landmass full of intellectual freaks, we are a very small country and that is the reason we do not have enough jobs to go round. So just think of us citizens who are also qualified in certain areas, that do not get hired because some foreigner has come along and taken the job. We have a moral duty firstly to our own people and then we can look at hiring outsiders. I don’t believe that I can just “walk into a job” in China or India, as I don’t speak the languages, well the same applies here.

          • There are two logical fallacies in your comment

            You mention that NZers should prefer hiring NZers because there is law which says so. Well, that’s exactly the problem why NZ is a such a backwater. In the books of most migrants, merit should triumph over the false sense of nationalism while hiring. No wonder the employees here could barely spell.

            2 . You say that you couldn’t walk into a job in India. Well…Sherlock, to burst your bubble, you can. Indians will hire anybody as long as you are qualified (education from good university, experience and personality). There are plenty of ‘cream class’ foreigners working there in top notch companies. And Indians speak English, guess what, India is the second largest cluster of English speakers after US.

            And about China, well we all know the ‘white privilege’ kiwis enjoy in China and other Asian countries. Don’t even let me get started on this.

          • Your government enticed me to move over but did not delivered. Should it be a case of Fair Trading Act 1986 on misleading representation of New Zealand?

        • All they do is have laughs, keep chatting at work and have endless meetings with no outcome wasting everyones time instead of doing productive work…

  22. Hi, I am planning to migrate NZ from dubai. but reading above all reviews changed my mind I guess I will better go to USA or Canada. Hope I am doing right step. Because reading above all gives Negative Vibration in NZ. Hope I will visit NZ as a tourist and can enjoy NZ

  23. Mr. Joeffry,

    “Goa is different from the rest of India. Sorry to say I hate the behaviors most Indians. Many of them cheat, are very rude and corrupt. So I want to get out of this country to bring up my children in a non corrupt world.”

    With a western sounding name (I reckon you are a Goan Roman Catholic) you should have it relatively easy if you are going for…say job hunting in NZ… as your chances of being called for an interview are far greater than any one with a not so western sounding name.

    Having said that, you may not have it easy once they ask you for your ethnicity… which they shall undoubtedly; so do secure the job/business offer before you arrive in NZ.

    And ‘being non corrupt’ as you had put…is only partially true in case of NZ… here its more about whom you know and how well… rather than just greasing the hands of some one (the practise rampant in India and many Asian countries… which is what I presume you are referring to)

    And with the affirmative action favouring the Maori, you may inevitably feel…as if you were back in India…with reference to the ‘caste based reservation system’, prevalent there.

    Having said that, I would strongly suggest you to check with other fellow Goan Indians here in NZ, as to how they are placed with reference to the above issues.

    Good Luck with the journey ahead,

    Cheers

    • Thanks for the Informative comment @ gianstefano…If only the thousands of Indians who are about to make the decision to come to NZ could actually see this . If you guys could actually see the way the ‘study abroad’ consultants are actually advertising NZ as one of the most comfortable places to start a new career or to immigrate to over here in India, you would be astounded.
      Thousands of people here in India, actually give up their house(life-time earnings) as mortgage to be able to finance the education loan to cover the tuition costs.

      What makes them fall for it is probably the fact that there is more money to be earned as compared to what they earn here in India plus the One year job search permit that they get.

      Any smart person,who has the skills from the ‘Skill Shortage List’, has a decent amount of experience and a NZ degree, wouldn’t think that it would be that great a deal to be able to get a job.

      I am not too sure on what the ground reality in NZ is at present. But i do wish that the NZ government takes the necessary steps to ensure they are not piling on jobless Immigrants just to be able to earn the $ 4 Billion in revenue from Overseas Education.

      I was actually planning on coming to NZ for a graduate diploma’s but after going through this thread… Im not really sure whether that would be a good idea.

      • Same here Buddy. I am planning to study at Unitec for Graduate Diploma in Construction Management, a Civil Engineer with 22 years of experience. Due to the vast opportunities advertised in Christchurch, I was motivated to this plan, as I had been applying for any job in Civil engineering but to only got rejections. As I searched over the net, I found this thread and it is so very alarming. Had to think 1000x.

      • Its all a rort!!!
        They sell everything on the basis of what NZ ‘used to be like’

        Very few of those who study here will get jobs . Even the locals studying are hard pressed. From my observations overseas students are seen as a cheap expendable labour resource. They are only here for a couple of years and do not complain as they are trying so hard to get permanent residence. They get used by the employer to increase profits and actually help maintain the status quo of a low wage economy by acceptance. When the visa expires it will be a simple thanks for coming…bye now. Some but very few will succeed. I suggest either study at home or go somewhere else where there is more opportunity. Don’t expect any favors. NZ will likely destroy you in the long term.

  24. To S. Desai,

    A word of caution…
    Heading to Canada or UK seems a far better proposition and much more rewarding not to mention cost effective in the longer run (if you were to consider the greater level of recognition n appreciation in the job market for the degrees being offered In both Canada n UK).

    Cheers…

  25. i am new zealand born an breed and indians asians etc are decent people but yes it is definetely tough for you people to live in new zealand maybe easier in less desirable locations ie invercargill my home town

  26. Hi Mr Desai,
    Why you choose New Zealand? The reason you mentioned cost , do you find that expensive. 15K living expense is under estimated.
    If you then expect to find work? Work is not easy to find.
    Hope you are not paying any agent any fees, because applying for visa is as easy as.
    After you have thought about the issues listed above and done a thorough research, you can decide.

  27. I am looking to pursue my Masters in Interaction Design from University of Canterbury. Will be applying for my student visa in the next 2 days. Could you share the scope of the same in NZ? I will be spending 22,000 NZD for my education and around 15k for living. So approximately, around 20 lacs INR. Would you say it is worth to do my masters?

    • It’s a trap buddy, don’t take the bait. The educational agents are lying scumbags paid handsomely by their kiwi owners. I guarantee you that you will struggle, having a degree here means nothing to them. Christchurch is a hollowed out place anyway, with deep rooted racism. I own a design agency and I can tell you, you would be better off in U.S. Or Canada, don’t do this to yourself. Only plumbers and concrete cutters make good money in Christchurch, not the educated lot. If you need more info, send me your email. I am prepared to guide you if you wish.

      • It’s a trap buddy, don’t take the
        bait. The educational agents are
        lying scumbags paid handsomely by
        their kiwi owners. I guarantee you
        that you will struggle, having a
        degree here means nothing to them.
        Christchurch is a hollowed out place
        anyway, with deep rooted racism. I
        own a design agency and I can tell
        you, you would be better off in U.S.
        Or Canada, don’t do this to yourself.
        Only plumbers and concrete cutters
        make good money in Christchurch,
        not the educated lot. If you need
        more info, send me your email. I am
        prepared to guide you if you wish.
        murshidpub@gmail.com
        tell me more

      • Hey Buddy,

        I am also thinking to enroll in graduate diploma in tourism studies in auckland.

        Could you please guide me which country to choose from.

        NZ sounds economical but not aware about the opportunities.

        Regards,
        Abhi

        • NZ is a small xenophobic country with strong racial bias, you will find Indians here are looked as second class humans and you will never be given a chance to integrate in the society. You will have no local friends, no chance of getting a date, no chance of getting a job, no chance of getting anywhere….unless you are prepared to do the hard yard.

          Degree and diplomas aren’t valued here, in fact, you will find top level executives here with no Degree/Diploma at all. In fact, if you got a qualification, you will have ‘lesser’ chance of getting a job. They like it ‘white’ and ‘moron’ here, while educated ‘non-white’ racial minorities could be seen flipping burgers and filling up gas at gas stations.

          You wil find successful Indians here, however, they have gone through a lot and managed to get themselves some degree of success in this ‘rigged’ nations, where the odds are against you.

          Its crazy man, don’t blow all you hard earned money here, all the european countries are on a downward spiral. If you really want to be successful, go to asian powerhouses like Shanghai, Singapore, Hong Kong etc. You will have a higher degree of success, than you would here.

          I have been to a heck lot of places, but not a place like NZ. Just here for family, otherwise , I am off from here.

          Remember, ‘The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence’. Stay where you are and make you country proud, do something there and get hold on the pockets of countries like NZ. For example, I run a digital agency, and i charge kiwi price while the backend of the company is in New Delhi. We employ kiwi ‘cowboys’ here as the sales team, to cut through the kiwi bullshit of buying local.

          If i go there to sell, i will be out in few minutes, being a person with dark skin. Tried and tested!

      • Hi Vigilante,

        My name is Pradeesh George, I’m an Indian. I did my CPA and my wife is a software engineer. I was strongly considering migrating to NZ or Australia. My idea was to work there for couple of years, gain the experience and get the PR and citizenship along the way.

        But reading all these blogs was scary, I was told that Christchurch has lots of opportunities and has a easier chances of getting PR. I did go on to the many websites and found ample job openings. All that being said i would like to get a more realistic opinion. Could you please spare some time and advice as to which is the better among NZ and Aus or if either are worth while at all for a US CPA and my IT engineer wife

        • Unfortunately, just because there is a job opening … doesn’t mean that job opening is for you.
          Companies also try to “get (extra) work for cheap” under the 90-day trial period.
          After that, you are cut loose and told “you are not a good cultural fit” for this company.

          On the other hand, if you come with family, NZ is very welcoming – perhaps they hope you’ll buy their houses at inflated prices, pay more taxes and employ them + through your kids, there’s either consumer or sexual exploitation to come.

          Tough call … but as usual – unless there is a job contract (OVER 90 days) … with legal penalties for non-compliance (e.g. freeze company bank account or garnish their income) … don’t bother.

        • But reading all these blogs was scary, I was told that Christchurch has lots of opportunities and has a easier chances of getting PR.
          By a stroke of kismet / karma, this came up in NZ Herald today:

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11538141
          Flatmates wanted – ‘no Indians or Asians’
          2:33 PM Saturday Oct 31, 2015
          …
          “The honest answer is that the majority of them either don’t speak English very well, and I’ve had problems with communication in the past, where I’ve tried to tell them that they’re doing something wrong and they don’t understand.”

          He said these communication problems weren’t just an “Indian or Asian thing”.

          Funny, I’ve had problems with communication (with kiwis) in the past … but that was because the people involved … either didn’t want to solve the problem … wanted to prolong misbehaviour or … want to make out that you, as a foreigner, are “unreasonable” and “don’t understand the Kiwi way”(when they try to step on you … and you step on them).

        • Pradeesh

          You would be better off in Australia, it’s a lot like New Zealand, however, without the usual irks of living with a closed minded population. Racism is there as well, however, you got bigger exposure in places like Melbourne and Sydney.I know plenty of Indians who have done well in Australia, not many in New Zealand.

          PR and citizenship in NZ is not worth it, think logically, if it was such a paradise, how come close to a million New Zealanders live abroad? Christchurch is a racist shanty town, with the most unusual eurocentric scumbags I have ever come across ( and this is a gross generalisation, there are exceptions as well). Yes, the jobs are there, however, you will be at the bottom of the heap given your background and race.

          Forget about NZ, go for Australia and stick to culturally diverse cities, otherwise you will face racism. However, when compared to India, both places are not good for career.

          • Haha no offence but as a Kiwi living overseas i have had to share a house with a couple of Indians and the reason why you can’t make friends with us is because your all in your own bubble and don’t understand our sense of humor and you are all really shy and awkward, like all the other Asians they all stick with other Asians and don’t make an effort to become friends with us kiwis or speak our language, they don’t really give a shit about our country, they are just buying property here and then prices increases making money off us.

          • Kiwi sense of humour equates to low class sexual jokes mixed with a tinge of racism, which they think is funny. Only morons on a parallel plane would enjoy such jokes. You folks barely open your mouth and the foul words begin to rain. You guys sound better with your potty mouths shut.

            As about why Indians and Asians seems a bit awkward to you is becaus they want to avoid scums like you like plague. After all they come from decent families, not like a typical broken families found in the good old New Zealand.

            Kiwis and a good friend? Doesn’t go along well. Nah…mate Aussies are way better, educated and open minded.

          • kiwi’s having sense of “humour” or “humor”? First kiwi’s need to understand which version of English they want to ape, is it the British or American. You might be capable of showing off your English skills to someone (you consider) inferior but mind you I know lot of Indians, Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), Eastern European who have much clearer diction than borrowed English that most of the kiwis reflect including above comment.

            Kiwis anyways have their attitude 2 feet above their head and the reflection gets stronger & stronger by each passing comment. BTW, what makes you share room with Indians & Asians? Why didn’t you find the courage to share it with any Australian or Kiwi per se?

            Talking about buying property, there is risk factor associated with any selling & buying business. The one that takes the risk earns the rewards too.

      • My name is M Mallikarjuna from Bangalore india
        I’m planned to study graduate diploma in applied management and after that i do job and i want to make my life in NZ with good income with PR also and I’m only one child of my parents and they don’t have money and I’m coming from education loan can you please sir give me suggestion or if you e-mail me than its too better for me [ Please send a message to admin if you’d like to contact Arjun and we’ll pass on your details]

  28. Hi Mr 2 Cts, thank you for your comment. Understand what you are saying, but the point you are missing is there are fundamental issues.
    I am an Indian and NewZealand Citizen. I have lot of kiwi, poms, Asians, and other nationality friends. I consider my self social animal.
    When it comes to doing business or getting that job you deserve then things change.
    I have New Zealand experience, yes I have been successful but OMG it has been uphill struggle, now those who know me are willing and queuing up for my services, because I have something that they do not have and Iam the only source.
    Not every one is as lucky.
    So even if you integrate well, eat , sleep kiwi you are treated as foreigner.
    Just one example, they give you two year. Work visa, so you work hard , retain the job, after two years you star all over again, hey this is not right, they should give them PR after that two years.
    No , no you reapply they take your money then refuse. So when they need you it is ok , but when they do not you go back home.
    I will not repeat job issues.
    So nothing works, it is selfish government and all.

    • Very True Indeed, I second every word of what you said.

      Does anybody wants to know why a kiwi is so dumb and tomorrow belongs to us Asians (Indians + Chinese) .

      Here is why http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11447375

      While a typical college goer in Indian and Asian universities spends most of his/her time toiling through the studies, a kiwi counterpart spends drinking, partying, sleeping around and expecting to graduate with a high paying job, on the sole merit of the colour of his/her skin and eyes? Now who of the two lots, would a rational person be employing? The dumb moron lazy kiwi who thinks that the world owes him something because he has less melanin in his skin or a smart, qualified Asian who is more deserving owing to his drive and determination?

      This is payback time friends, now wonder we are buying your second world country to decolonize it, it is just the natural progression of time and three of four generations after this, you all can end up as white trash.

  29. So here is my little 2 cents on this who topic about NZ being racist and immigrants finding it hard to find jobs.

    I’m going to start by saying I’m from an Asian background but I have been fortunate to have been raised partly in Asia and outside Asia. This has helped me see two sides of the coin and understand better where the flaws of immigrant Asians looking for jobs in a foreign country.

    I immigrated to NZ myself about 5 years ago and I’ve had a great experience. There are times where it was a bumpy ride but generally it’s been good. I know immigration NZ can be tough and off putting. Those blaming agents claiming that they were lied to that NZ was the land of milk and honey, I bet you any agent will tell you the same about other countries. Their main goal is to get money from the service fees and commission from employers/universities. I came here through an agent as well and I could tell he was over exaggerating about things.
    The two issues I think make life harder for Immigrating Asians in NZ are:

    1: Lack of Communication skills.
    Just because we learnt to speak English doesn’t mean we can communicate well in English. Majority of Asians in NZ who moved here are still struggling with speaking and communicating. Employers are looking for excellent communication skills so speaking and writing skills need to be top notch unless it’s for a job that doesn’t require much communication. One major factor we don’t improve on English (I hate Asians for this and I’m Asian) is because we come to NZ and we hang out with only our on people!!! I have met Indians and Chinese people in NZ who have been here 7 years plus and have no Kiwi friends. This means you been in NZ for 7 plus years and majority of the time you still speaking your own language. This is a major disadvantage because you’re not going to improve your English.
    2: You butt heads to much.
    I have been working in a few companies and the Kiwis have told me one reason they don’t like Asians is the disagreements and the lack of common culture. If you want someone to welcome you into their “family” you need to make an effort. Unfortunately Asians just don’t seem like they want to be part of the team, they are literally there for the pay cheque. (Yes truth is we are all there for the $$ but make an effort to at least be part of the team).
    The other thing is Yes Asians are rude and inconsiderate sometimes, so be careful with some habits. If you came to NZ for a better life, leave them nasty habits and unlikable behaviours back home. If you had thousands of immigrants come to your country with their unlikeable habits, you would be unhappy too.
    I see Asians who immigrated to NZ complain about racism and no jobs, but have you ever wondered why Kiwi Asians (NZ born and raised Asians) don’t complain. They find jobs like other kiwis and they go on with life like other kiwis. It’s because they successful integrate into the NZ society without any issues. Kiwis are not afraid to hire them because they communicate well and they share the same NZ culture.

    You want to be treated like a kiwi, learn to be a Kiwi then.

    • Sounds convincing enough. They say while in Rome do what the Romans do. I am from Goa living in Goa India, wanting to migrate with my family to New Zealand for varied reasons.
      Goa is different from the rest of India. Sorry to say I hate the behaviors most Indians. Many of them cheat, are very rude and corrupt. So I want to get out of this country to bring up my children in a non corrupt world.
      The first to reach New Zealand were the Maoris. They never conquered the country for there was none to take it from. Then were the mixed white traders who mingled with the Maoris followed by the Britishers who also neither attacked or conquer but signed the much debated Waitangi treaty. Does that make them original settlers sadly not. They do govern. Overall I like that country more because it is a place where every one migrated to. That makes one and all ‘immigrants’ doesn’t it? I may be wrong.

      • This article is probably of relevance to you (Good thing I saved it way back when …)
        (Apologies to the mod, it needs to be posted in full as the website seems to have been shut down)
        http://www.overseasindian.in/2006/oct/news/05n.shtml
        Indians in NZ face job bias: survey

        Wellington, Oct 5: Indians in New Zealand face job discrimination up to 10 times or more compared to New Zealanders, a survey has found.

        Almost two in every three Indians (63 percent) felt they have been discriminated in the recruitment process or at work, according to the survey by the Global Indian magazine.

        An Indian in New Zealand is likely to be in an administrative or physical job and be underpaid. The survey revealed that three in four (72 percent) Indians felt their career has been adversely affected after migrating to New Zealand.

        One in two Indians said they have never been promoted in a job in New Zealand. Two in three Indians feel that their salary is not in line with their qualifications and skills. One said that he had not had a permanent job for the past 12 years.

        “I did not get one promotion in the last 10 years. I am in a Catch-22 situation because my kids are schooling in New Zealand. Now I am unable to go back to India as I have to wait for them to finish their schooling,” another respondent said.

        The salary levels of Indians in this country indicate that almost a third of Indians earn less than NZ$ 40,000 (about $26,000) a year while half of all Indians earn less than NZ$50,000.

        Referring to the ‘No Kiwi experience’ cited by many recruiters, one respondent said that this effectively meant that Indians in New Zealand face the prospect of not being allowed into water until they learn how to swim.

        The survey, which was conducted among 232 Indians in New Zealand, also found that every third Indian is employed in physical, administrative, secretarial or customer service role.

        However, the survey also highlighted a minority group in the Indian community that has fought against all odds to achieve their goals.

        “In the beginning, yes, I felt my career was adversely affected. However, things have got better as the Kiwis became more aware that Indians could speak English and were hardworking, sincere and loyal,” one respondent said.

        “And thanks to us Indians who have proved to the doubtful Kiwis that we actually speak the Queen’s English with good pronunciation, correct spelling and are not lazy speakers.”

        The respondents cited a need for employers, the immigration service, and migrants to develop solutions to address the issue.

        “(There is a need for) cross-cultural training and diversity management skills among management personnel (not HR departments alone),” one respondent said.

    • I’ll just say that your idea about “excellent communication skills, something only Kiwis and “enlightened beings” in NZ possess” (that’s how I read it anyway),
      is laughable – I have a Cambridge qualification in English – of a much higher standard than the “so-called” “english language courses” that Universities in NZ ask of overseas students.
      Their limp-wristed response to an obviously superior qualification, was to write me a letter while I was in the halls of residence, that said “You will not hold the university or their staff responsible if you do not understand the lectures”.
      LOL at that too … the biggest cohort of dropouts and no-hopers … were the domestic students 🙂

    • Hi Mr2cents ,

      From all the above comments, reading your comments have somewhat send me positive vibe. I don’t think I will face any communication problem . I am Indian ,studied throughout in English and planning to study , work in NZ. Please reply , should I change my plan since reading all they above comments is really making me tensed about my plan. Please suggest, because I would be really spending a lot for my this plan . I would be gald if you help me out. thankx.

      Jinal 🙂

      • Jinal

        Are you serious about moving to New Zealand, have you done any research, are you aware it is hard to find a job in New Zealand, I have lived here with my parents for 21+ years and just remember once you come to New Zealand, it could be a very bad mistake, New Zealand has a serious problem with unemployment and also when you try looking for a job in any New Zealand company, it is about who you know, my father tried looking for various jobs in New Zealand despite himself being a railway engineer and in the end he had to go back to Hong Kong to look for a job and came back in mid 2003 with Tranz Rail now KiwiRail and compared with that the wages in Hong Kong were much better than New Zealand wages.

        Also when you come to New Zealand, are you planning to rent a home, room or whichever, if you decide to rent some homeowners will expect you to pay for the Rent,electrictity and water and the telephone+internet bill will surely be paid by yourself.

        Also the Health System here is shocking, I mean shocking, if you are sick and need to go to the ER at any hospital in New Zealand, expect to wait 3 or 4 hours at the Emergency Room and New Zealand has a serious nurse and doctor shortage even people waiting in the surgery list have been thrown off or you could be waiting a long time for surgery in the public health system, be warned private Hospitals in New Zealand are not cheap, when you want to do a private surgery it could cost $20,000+. Also doctors in New Zealand are not cheap at all and on top of that when you have the doctors fee and medicine costs combined, it could well run over $50.00+ and also after hours clinics can be expensive too for example $65.00+ .

        Food is also not cheap in New Zealand as well and it can be expensive, also make sure you do sufficient research before coming to New Zealand.

        Just something to show you the price of food compared with Wellington and Mumbai:
        http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=New+Zealand&country2=India&city1=Wellington&city2=Mumbai

        • Well hey – it goes both ways I’m afraid!!!

          I’m a Kiwi that has spent the last 2 years in and out of India. My last entry into India was with a Journalist visa, which is extendable. Due to the “GREY AREA” for each applicant, the Indian immigration at one office denied me twice for an extension because he didn’t have enough information regarding an extension on a Journalist visa? The official even said that he would contact Delhi between my 2 visits to quicken the process! On the second visit I had asked if he had contacted Delhi, but he had not (to busy or lazy, or didn’t really care). He replied, and said “it would be better to leave India and re apply for another visa and enter India again”?

          Now at who’s cost – definitely not his problem right?

          So I went to another immigration office (Salt Lake – Kolkata), and went through the same process again. This time I was granted a 4 mth extension by the head official, but that was also denied by some jerk below the chief who granted it, just because it wasn’t a 6 month extension? Now why couldn’t these idiots just grant a 6 month extension? I had a sponsor and proof of being a Journalist, but then thats the “Grey Area” the Indian Immigration use when they have straight forward paperwork to process – Totally Incompetent, unsupportive and Lazy!!!

          So I had to fly out of India just because of the incompetent staff at both Indian Immigration offices who used their status to deny any type of extension, even though I was granted an extension and then revoke it!!!

  30. It could be because some are afraid you will work harder and achieve more. For a number of NZ people, Tall Poppy Syndrome seems to justify ganging-up on others who demonstrate they are capable of working harder and achieving more. This cultural characteristic, and the ability to gang-up anonymously with cyber-bulying today, results in what research from Waikato University recently called:

    "a perfect storm for under achievement" (see http://srl.to/u5e2dNha?4)

    which they show reduces New Zealand’s average performance by 18% over what the people are truly capable of.

    And, contrary to the comments in the video above, I believe this kind of thing certainly does not happen in England where there are very strong laws preventing discrimination of any kind (on anything other than measurable work and achievement that is).

  32. Subitai Singh + What lies does NZ immigration tell?
    I have been through their website many times and i cant see a single lie.

    Agents, colleges and fellow students tells lies a plenty but NZ immigration I haven’t seen a single lie from. They don’t tend to interact with the students all they do is issue a student visa and then a one year workvisa. And unless you completely screw up everything you cant fail getting those two. Its the real visa after that that any fail and thats because they think they can work as petrol-station, dairy attendant, parking garage, liqueur shop, McDonalds, waiters jobs and then claim managerial position based on an employer supporting them. Unfortunately no manager at restaurants get PR anymore…
    but the employer is happy to support you because he gets 1-2 years of hard labour from you for low pay.

    Also remember every college pays about 30-60% commission to the agents to bring a student to NZ. Good money. Why would the agents tell anyone the truth. The colleges hold their promise. You get a lvl 7 diploma (as long as 80% attendance) and after it you qualify for the one year graduate job search visa. The agent laugh and takes your 5000 thousand etc, the college laugh and take your other 50-10.000 and then you are stuck in NZ with a job earning between 10-15 dollars an hour hoping to get a visa and a good life. Something no can can on a salary below 30 an hour…

    Nah its not NZ immigration thats at fault they deliver exactly what they promise. others lie but not them.
    Deep down though the culture of blaming others is wrong, everyone has a choice and if you do enough research you’ll know that undertaking a lvl 7 diploma at a college is pointless if you want a job and a career in NZ.

    Good luck with migrating here, but dont assume shortcuts such as colleges provide a ticket to a promised land. it doesnt and you’ll work lousy jobs no one wants for years to earn more than the minimum to survive, The white kiwis sit in their houses, smiles and for every new person that arrives their properties appreciate in value. Their rentals become dearer. Master and servant and you’ll be the servant.

      • Beyond the contradictions that “New Zealand looks up to the Asian education systems in producing hard workers” YET “Asian education is unsuitable for New Zealand” (lol, as most locals don’t even finish theirs)
        and
        Much harder to find teaching jobs because there seems to be an undercurrent perception about Asians being “not up to standards” and incapable of speaking/writing well in English despite that fact that a lot of Asians migrants right now are arriving on skilled visa.

        are these 2 gems:
        How much money did you bring with you:
        NZ$250,000

        How much do you earn in New Zealand:
        Right now about $70K income. We have 2 rental properties (our home in Singapore and an apartment in the NZ city) so we have a nice additional source of guaranteed income coming in. We’d also have investments too.
        (Also remember the wife’s previous comment about her education: Of course it helped I had degrees from both Singapore and Australia and good referees. – how much did that cost?)

        Point to note that coming here, you tend to spend a lot of money in the first few months and especially in this uncertainy economic climate, you need to have sufficient funds to sustain you. Because things always never happen the way you want it, being secure financially is a big security for us. We were very prudent with our money when we were jobless.

        I would actually hazard a guess to say they were millionaires BEFORE they sought jobs in New Zealand.

  34. actually, the lies told by NZ Immigration regarding students easily be able to get permanent residence or even easily full work visa has been going on for many years. In this open world of internet, skype,facebook, twitter, why are Indians students still coming to nz believing it is easy to get at least a work visa and eventually permanent residence after their studies?
    Why are they so stupid to come here? Can’ there do any research about NZ first before coming here? Yes NZ Immigration tells lies but it is the indian students who are so stupid to still come here after these lies have been told for many years now. Grow up dear Indian students. The world today is 2015 and it is one f…ked up world and no one can be trusted, even agencies or people in developed nations. We are not in the good old days anymore. Grow up please dear Indian students!!! or you will be cheated also in other so called developed nations also like UK, USA, Can ada, Australia etc

    • The people probably telling them the lies that get the most traction,
      are “ethnic representatives of the community”.
      After all,
      to pass off a big lie, you first have to be accepted as a truth teller and someone who looks out for your community, am I right?
      Not to mention, reality is difficult to accept, as people strongly want to believe that their options are better elsewhere since they spent so much money, effort and time.
      It’s hard for anyone to believe that those things can turn to a big fat zero. Because we have been indoctrinated to believe that only good returns come to those who strive …

  35. Manpreet – Raj is right. Taking on a business levl 7 diploma will give you nothing. Its a complete waste of money if you want any form of career. Unless your one of the very few lucky ones hired by your internship company (and thats what maybe 3% who are). You’ll get your promised 1 year workvisa after completion sure. But after that?

    What you will end up doing is staying and working together with other mainly Punjabis/Gujaratis in professions such as cleaning, petrol-stations, warehouses, restaurants. (Non of those gives permanent residence after your one year visa ends) You’ll live cramped, like a dog, with a group of other Punjabis all of you earning minimum wage or below. Your future in NZ is low and decent jobs wont come by you.
    Modern day slavery.
    Your only chance is to have enough money to buy a business or start something that is more or less another migrant scheme such as dairy, cafe etc.

    But be aware your likely to be the lowest class person in NZ for your life. And be aware a house in Aucklands poorest neighbourhoods, areas riddled with crime costs 500.000. (Think Papatoetoe) if you wanna live in a decent area with decent schools the house costs 800.000-1.5 million.
    For that you need a salary way way higher than 15 dollars an hour and a deposit of at least 100.000 dollars something you wont make working immigrant jobs in NZ…

    • I agree, NZ is no bed of roses, as it is said out to be by the ‘agents’ who are handsomely paid to bring students like you to NZ ( NZ Institutions have a commission structure). They will rob you blindfolded her, and you will realise it when its too late. Think of it as a good karma that you landed on this website and got the right information, save you money mate, and go to the first world countries like US, Canada, etc. Here you won’t find your paradise.

      I am indian mysel, and it is truly a lotto to have a job here.

  36. Hi Manpreet
    I am sorry that you are getting confused. Those who say they are doing well ask them where are they working, what job they are doing and how much are they making in bulk part.
    I currently have 23 CPIT student looking actively for relevant work in Christchurch after completing internship. Now they have one year open work visa by which they need to land a job in their field to apply for PR.
    There are jobs working in the fast food and hospitality working silly hours, there are jobs in the super market self filling and bakery working crazy hours. These are migrant jobs since locals do not want to do it.
    Then ther is farm and fruit picking jobs. Some people get fed up end up taking up franchises for cab or courier. Then there are others who set up a dairy.

    So please check out carefully. Hope it clarifies little bit for you. There are those very very few lucky ones have landed a reasonable jobs but as a percentage it is too low.
    Good luck mate, think and think before you decide to make that move.

  37. Hi Manpreet
    join the long line of migrants. Without foreign students universities and colleges will be empty.
    You should have claim the benefit to recoup some money lost. Finding a job for migrant is a lotto.
    our own people also have private colleges trying to rob our own kind , such a shame.
    If all migrants boycott New Zealand then they will see what happens.
    It is a forum like this is to discourage migrant from coming to New Zealand is a start.
    the situation is getting worse.
    So best is tell as many as possible not to come.
    if you have the PR or Citizenship, then come back and get the pension.

    • There are plenty of overseas nationals with PR who pay their workers less than the minimum wage and under the table. This means the workers don’t pay tax but still use hospitals, transport etc. Plenty of Asians are working here. However, good jobs are thin on the ground. This is true for New Zealanders too.

  38. Hi if sole reason for you to study in New Zealand is to get work , I will be careful. You will then be wasting money.
    There will be very little chance if any you finding a suitable job.The reason for this is staring in your face.Read all the postings and it is not difficult to form an opinion.
    If you really want to come to New Zealand then get the job in your field whilst you are still in India, other wise you will be disappointed.

    • Mr. Raj……my friends are already in new zealand on student visa for level 7 business management course…..they said they are doing well here…….wht is ur opinion on present condition of inter. Students in nz..?????……….should i apply for nz or nt……plz be frank….m totally confused…..whether to stay in india find a job here or move to nz……plz help mezzz

      • Raj and Exile are completely right.
        If your “friends” are doing so well, ask to see their payslips. They will show them to you if they are either your friends or are trying to prove a point.
        What you have been hearing sounds like a repeat of the intro movie to Grand Theft Auto 4, where Nico Bellic was previously told(and enticed) by his cousin Roman Bellic that he was living the “American Dream” with two women, four hot tubs and fifteen sports cars. Of course, it was all lies.

        • Sir I am from India and looking forward to bachelor of engineering from nz ?
          Is this is a right desicision can I have good chances of job?

          • Ankit

            Could you elaborate a bit on your university, course and reasons for your choice. Also, do you have sufficient funds to cover your living expenses while you are here?

            The general advice is to careful and not believe what the agents have told you. They usually give examples of the candidates who are relatively successful, but not the the majority who struggle and have to finally leave the country after burning themselves up financially.

            Regards
            Zeb

  39. hi any one tell me .what are the jobs for indian who completed msc-chemistry and coming to nz by student visa to do study pg diploma in food technology .please tell me what are the jobs after completion of study their …..?

  40. Migrants coming to New Zealand need to be very careful and understand why they want to come to New Zealand.
    There is a heavy exploitation of these migrants by the locals and by the government.
    So if you do not have PR ( permanent residency) do not bother coming to New Zealand.
    Study here is not recognised over the world so why pay huge fees and living cost. Getting work visa is use less waste of money, since you may not get a job , even if you are lucky enough to get that job, it us temporary. Every two to three years you have to reapply for the visa and you may not get the renewal. Currently I know people who have established them shelves after initial work visa are now not getting their visa renewed. PR processing time of 2 years that is too long and cost huge amount of money.
    I came to NZ 10 years back and my reason knowing that there is racism, and host of costs was based on that I will only come if I was granted PR, I had 2 Years of funds to support and if it does not work go back to the UK which overall is the best country to live and I still kept that option open. I like it here for now . Those who have the PR hope have left their option open to go back to where they came from.

    • Me and my parents came in early 1994 and we found that to find a job in New Zealand was hell and my mum was given undesirable work hours at Pak N Save and my father had to go back to Hong Kong for 9 years because the income in New Zealand was not worth it and are planning on selling up properties that we own in Auckland before my dad retires and are considering moving back to Hong Kong where literally all our family are

  41. Question to the tale:
    Why did you opt to become New Zealand resident if you were unhappy??

    Would like to know your views.
    Thanks

    • The general progression is: work visa, permanent residency, citizenship, move to Oz on their “special purposes” agreement with NZ.
      It seems that the “bulb illuminates, penny drops…” somewhere between PR and citizenship, with the carrot [reason to stick it out] at the end of citizenship being an opportunity to relocate to Australia.

    • I did not take the NZ citizenship, my parents made that decision for me because I was quite young at that time, we found out in less that a few years during the early 90s that getting a job in New Zealand was very difficult

  43. I remember writing in a reply somewhere on the pages here to a prospective migrant that,
    “house prices in Auckland are increasing by up to NZD50,000 per year”.

    I’m wrong. Don’t get too happy though …
    It’s actually …
    increasing by up to NZD68,309 per year.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11386311
    Anne Gibson
    Property editor of the NZ Herald
    Auckland values to rise throughout 2015
    12:00 PM Wednesday Jan 14, 2015

    Prospective migrants need to think really deeply about whether they want to “get stuck in”.

    An (Asian) manager I know at Grant Thornton (worked himself up from accountant and has a related university qualification) recently got downsized or managed out to end up working as an accountant at an Auckland POLYTECHNIC.
    So the idea that there is only an upward career trajectory,
    and “as long as I’m doing my job”
    is a myth.

    I did read somewhere that
    “if we have to keep sending out resumes for work even while employed then we as a society have failed” … it seems to be working out that way for the next few years in developed countries, but especially where people subscribe very heavily to the “work hard and you will succeed” Horatio Alger myth.

    Many jobs nowadays are filled with the lucky – and they know it.
    And they will do what it takes to “protect their turf”.

  44. I think New Zealand is one of the most beautiful countries with lots of opportunities, every day here is new day, I love being here I am an IT professional looking for a job, although I am almost rejected from every place I apply for a job, but thats not because of racism its because of my own lacks, because what I have observed I am from a country where we rarely speak English, due to that I am unable to deliver I what wanted to say properly, but I am working on it I have a hope that I will soon overcome on this thing, and to get a job is like we really need that work, it requires a lot of preparation and homework, it is not like we randomly apply on 10 to 20 jobs in a day for miscellaneous categories with one CV and say oh New Zealand is a racist country, see they dont give us job, Its just bullshit.

    NEW ZEALAND IS A COUNTRY FULL OF OPPORTUNITIES speacially for New Kiwis.

    If any one has guts he can grab an opportunity.

  45. I am a IT recruiter based in Auckland and i am asian. I think the culture fit is really important. We are not racist, we only demand for good talent. – Maybe it is time to examine your own self. Sometimes we might think we are something but in fact we are not.

    • @Anonymous October 10, 2014 1:12 pm
      I think the culture fit is really important. We are not racist, we only demand for good talent. – Maybe it is time to examine your own self. Sometimes we might think we are something but in fact we are not.
      Reminds me of what Steven Winterburn said “Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by a**holes.”
      P.S. Check your grammar. And, funnily enough … migrants / international students “have to pass an English assessment test”.
      But “if your face fits”, your qualifications are “not important” …

  47. Ok Vigilante
    I was meant to write to you and Peter.
    I am not at all asking any one to come back or stay.
    Peter made valid point and I have addressed that point.
    Like you said I am wasting time , thank you.
    Now let us see your real name .
    I will continue with my good work.
    God day

    • @Raj, I’ll call you RamTak from now, ok?
      Here’s an Asian lecturer taking a stand against racism.
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/10595618/Lecturer-riled-by-varsity-racism

      Of course, you’d have been able to do that if you were employed as a lecturer who is a “qualified Accountant and have highest level of IT and Business management skills.”

      The funny thing about the “Asian community leaders” that I know, is that they parade the mantle of “community that values education” … but they themselves have “no/little/questionable education pedigree”.

      Talk about irony …

      P.S. “Tolerance” is not “acceptance”.

    • Hi Raj ,
      I have read many of your comments on so many issues regarding PR, Getting Jobs etc.
      After going through your comments it seems that it is bery difficult to make in New Zeland.
      I am shocked and confused about the decision of moving into New Zealand.
      Its my dream country to live in but seems a little tough from now.
      I request you to guide me how to make in to New Zeland.

  48. The forum engine is a ridiculous, it split my post in a very mysterious way.
    Let me try again.

    I wonder what made you think that my education is not “Russian”?
    It is not hard to distinguish a cossack from anyone else, they have a specific funny uniform. Other than that I would not, would you?

    I want to repeat my main points:
    1. No one owes you anything.
    You (and me) are given a chance to find a job and live here, you (and me) are not welcome.
    Survives the fittest, blame Capitalism.

    1. Business starves for good employees.
      All successful IT companies are struggling to get talents.
      Though the risks of getting a wrong candidate are high because the job security laws are quite strict, you can’t just fire a person that does not perform well.
      That is why they are cautious in hiring and consider risks that a person may not fit the team personally.

    2. People of the same race, gender, religion and age get along better.
      I think it is a fact and stand to be corrected.
      IT consists of mostly young men. Small High Tech companies are driven by under 30s.
      It depends on the culture in the office but often it includes playing Ping Pong, Wii, drinking beer on Fridays and calling each other cunts. And even having racist jokes and that does not exclude New Zealanders themselves, sheep shagging humour is not under the ban.
      I am sorry for the muslim Indian lady at the top of the thread, that is a challenge for her.
      Would a muslim girl feel comfortable in that office?
      Would she be alienated?
      Probably yes.
      In place of recruiter would you risk considering a candidate who would feel alienated?
      It is totally unfair but smaller businesses need strong core teams that fit and complete each other.

    3. Bigger companies have anti alienating rules to keep diversity high.
      Try finding the work there, you’ll be most welcome.
      Unfortunately NZ is a 5 million nation you can’t find enough corporations here but plenty of small businesses.
      Try Australia.

    4. Cultural fitness is important but if you have the required rare skills, you won’t be without a job even if you are a naked bushman from Africa.
      How do you present you “high qualifications” to the employer?
      Is sending your resume to 20 SEEK listings enough?
      A 10 page resume from some random guy from another country that is likely to have bad English and who probably lied in CV (everyone does) is not a proof of qualification.
      Be creative.

    • The only ridiculous thing is your long laundry list of disjointed opinions cluttering up this thread. Your advice on how to succeed in New Zealand is by “calling each other cunts”? Yep, you’re a real leader; you’ll go far here.

      You seem to consider yourself an authority on all things, but provide absolutely no support for your nonsense other than dogmatic broken English. You provide no detailed personal accounts that ring true, no clever insights from other information sources, no links, just trash talk. I can understand why others have been condescending towards you – I find it hard not to do so myself. Do you really think that your trite, vapid comments are pearls of wisdom that everyone hasn’t heard at least a million times before?

      P Ray has shared many personal insights on this site and has described his experiences in detail many times. I have learned a lot from his honest and revealing stories. Even though I am not Asian, he and others who have posted here have helped me to see the incredible difficulties they face.

      I value their hard-earned opinions, not yours.

  49. Hey Peter Ray,
    As I said to you I am not interested in your comments or the opinion. For your information I am a qualified Accountant and have highest level of IT and Business management skills.
    You are as ignorant about Indians as other western communities. Rashmi is male and female name for your information. Raj is my nick name which all my friends refer to. So stop placing comments that are not relevant to the subject. I have my opinion you have yours. No point getting personal.
    If you do not like my opinion tough.

    • For your information I am a qualified Accountant and have highest level of IT and Business management skills.
      Then you can surely state your affiliation with such organisations in a professional LinkedIn page, and demonstrate how you have helped Enterprise level companies stay competitive.
      Note that I have very little respect for “managers who can’t do the jobs of their subordinates”

      You are as ignorant about Indians as other western communities. Rashmi is male and female name for your information. Raj is my nick name which all my friends refer to. So stop placing comments that are not relevant to the subject.
      I didn’t make that comment about you being male or female.
      You might want to read up in the thread about who actually said that.

      So stop placing comments that are not relevant to the subject.
      Your qualifications are entirely relevant, when you point out that you are some kind of “mentor”.

    • @ Raj Buddy, Rashmi is definitely a female name, in almost 99.99% of cases. I am an Indian by heritage, and i too possess the fabled ‘Highest level of IT & Business Management Skill’, and do hold a few degrees here and there. Add to that the pleasure of holding a few ‘incompetent’ kiwi subordinates under my boot. But to get to here, what i have gone through, only i know better about. And while i am here, i know it is not where i should be. Anyways…

      Stop playing the cultural card here buddy, as no body cares here if you are Indian, Chinese or XYZ, as long as you are a rational being, make sense, not falsifying the facts, and aren’t proving yourself dumb by making illogical comments. ( And add to that blaming somebody for something that was said by someone else!) Don’t expect that we know nothing, and will ignore you on your ‘face-value of silliness’ here, because you are spreading false hopes into the ‘would be’ migrants like Diwaker. Which, in turn, will be the reason for their ‘career suicide’.

      We are here to scrutinize the ‘status quo’ and say what people refrain to, and we do no sugarcoat it here. And we will strip you down to your ‘bare bones’, if we need to get to the facts. That is why i highlighted the fact that your names are ‘paradoxical’ to each another, one being feminine and second being masculine as there are a lot of kiwi shills here, commenting under the disguise of these ‘cultural names’. And the fact is, that your name is largely a female name. And honestly, you are wasting your time on this blog, and ours too, because it seems like that you haven’t got a dog in this fight. So i suggest you to go back to your ‘la-la-land’ and to these blogs which could accommodate your ‘fascinations’.

      Your mentor-ship is not needed here, as we are here to do that, and we have been here longer than you, having seen and known ‘in’s and out’ of this country. Go drink a kool aid, will you?

  50. P Ray, I don’t think it’s about racism down there, I myself graduated in 1 year course in auckland and wasn’t able to find a job or get any interview, i think local kiwi probably have roughly same difficulty fighting to get themselve a job, i start to think it’s down to employer prefference who they prefer and is suitable for their company, sorry if this seem missunderstand to you

    • I myself graduated in 1 year course in auckland and wasn’t able to find a job or get any interview
      The problem right there is … a diploma … isn’t a degree. (I began and completed mine … ENTIRELY IN NEW ZEALAND).
      But I do take some measure of pleasure in knowing that “no local experience” and “doesn’t suit our company culture” is now happening to kiwis too.
      Perhaps that will make them change their tune, but right now the lesson is long and ongoing for them.
      As Martin Luther King said “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”

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