New Zealanders migrating to Australia find plenty to whinge about in the ‘lucky country’ according to new research by Monash University for the non-profit Scanlon Foundation.
New Zealand is the third largest source of new residents for Australia and Kiwis have easier access to work in Australia than any other nationality, yet despite that they’ve still found plenty to complain about.
According to the Australian Courier Mail, lack of access to some state benefits is one thing that’s giving Kiwis plenty to carp about.
“Recent arrivals from New Zealand are more unhappy with their financial situation than any other group, with 40 per cent describing themselves as “dissatisfied’’ or “very dissatisfied’’.
Some 46 per cent of the Kiwi respondents say they are poor, struggling or just getting along – the second-worst result after people from Asian countries other than China/Hong Kong, Malaysia or Indonesia.
“A lot of people see Australia as an opportunity to come and get work and that’s often not the reality,’’ said Sarai Tuuga from the Boystown charity in Logan where one in 10 of the population was born in New Zealand.
“There is a lack of access to income support and limited access to job-seeking services. I don’t know that that is widely-known (before people come),” she said.
Kiwis are the group least likely to see Australians as “caring, friendly, hospitable people’’, with just 1 per cent of New Zealanders nominating that as one of the things they most like about this country…”
Kiwis are suspicious and reluctant to integrate
“They are also among the most suspicious of others. Only 22 per cent said they believed that, generally speaking, people can be trusted and 63.2 per cent reckon ‘’you can’t be too careful’’.
Just over a quarter said they had been on the receiving end of discrimination because of their background – more than twice the level among Brits.
And New Zealanders are in the top-three migrant groups who believe it is unsafe to walk the streets at night in Australia.
Only a third of Kiwi migrants say they identify as Australian – compared to three-quarters of those from India and half from the UK.
And while 92 per cent of Chinese migrants who arrived between 1990 and 2005 have become Aussie citizens, just 41 per cent of New Zealanders have done so – the lowest of any group of arrivals…”
Looks like you can take the migrant out of the country but you can’t take the country out of the migrant. You can read the full article here.
As ever, the devil is in the detail of the comments section of which there was plenty (see a selection below) and they’re sure to grow as word gets round, there were about 30 comments when we first looked and over 100 by 8pm NZ time.
It won’t be long until the NZ press get a hold of this, it will be interesting to see how they spin it and if it is used to whip up some more ant-Australian rhetoric. Keep an eye out for it in the coming days.
Tell me about it! Every one of them I’ve met whinge. They seem to think that Australia is somehow attached to New Zealand and they should be able to fly in and live here with all restrictions dropped. We are 2 separate countries! They can just fly in and work and take our jobs. What more do they want? New Zealand is also a back door to gain entry here. Their government will let anyone in so other nationalities get citizenship there first, then migrate here. I also wish they would drop this “AS” thing following everything they say. Our school kids have picked it up and it’s annoying AS.
A mate of mine who has been working rebuilding Christchurch woke yesterday to 4 deg and didn’t enjoy a max of 13 deg. He rang me last night to say is it any wonder they gravitate to Qld. He can’t wait for his contract to finish. Kiwis have nothing to complain about. If they do, they can go back home and freeze their butts off.
I think you will find that the kiwis claiming to be poor have south sea island heritage, they go through NZ to get to Australia. The loophole is that those countries citizens have entitled access into NZ, once there they get a passport and then are entitled to migrate to Australia, if they tried to come directly to Australia they could not and would be required to undertake our immigration selection process.
Absolutely correct Sue. The New Zealand Government is at fault here, and needs to tighten up on their immigration rules. They accept dirt poor, uneducated people from the pacific, who are unskilled, basically illiterate ,and speak very poor English, with the full understanding that they will migrate to Australia, and become Australia’s problem. Before we have an exercise in Kiwi bashing, I think we need to understand that most of these people claiming to be New Zealanders are actually from somewhere else.
This is a bigger challenge to the Australian economy than asylum seekers. Far too many of the Kiwi’s who hit our shores arrive without any requirement around skills, financial security or any potential to contribute in a meaningful way to the Australian economy or future. New Zealander’s should be subjected to the same visa requirements as everyone else. I have business colleagues in NZ who laugh at Australia’s immigration policy and are grateful for us taking their less credentialed kin. Saves NZ having to accommodate them. Why do we insist on being the joke of the world.
I agree. We have too many New Zealand citizens arriving in Australia without properly researching their entitlements and expecting to be propped up with Australian government benefits. If New Zealand citizens do not have a job to come to in Australia, they should not be allowed to move here. The SCV444 is a temporary visa, but many New Zealand citizens believe they should have the right to vote, and receive pensions and payments that are only afforded to Australian citizens. Australia must have the right to determine who becomes Australian citizens.
No access to welfare entitlements despite paying taxes”. Join the queue behind the Aussies. I have paid taxes all my life and never received any middle class welfare. Bought my house before there were handouts for first home buyers. Had my kids before there were baby bonuses. Never received any child tax payments because i have always just been above the threshold. Now im probably not going to get a pension. Stop winging – even hard working Australians arent entitled to anything.
@Constantine how right you are I arrived in aussie 1978 worked hard because of my work qualifications in the justice system and on my own with no help no hand outs brought and paid for my own home and now am 74yrs old on a pension have paid full taxes since I arrived and never had any pension what so ever Oh I am a kiwi ex vet who found that I was treated by the kiwis when I arrived home from overseas service in Vietnam by all sorts of names so that is why I came here and lived in Logan city.
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Foreign Doctors Squeezed Out of Jobs in Socially Progressive New Zealand, Priority Given to ‘Local’ Doctors.
Are you a doctor considering emigrating to New Zealand?
You may want to listen to this report from Radio New Zealand before you pay for your work visa. Immigrants have passed the exam but are at the bottom of the queue for jobs. However, they are still being admitted to New Zealand to look for work.
Out of 100 migrants who sat the exam last year only 50 passed, out of that only 25 found a job. One young Indian doctor could only find work as a part time receptionist.
“We’re not getting employment anywhere and everyone has just washed their hands of us“
New Zealand trained doctors are staying put and not emigrating overseas, employers are facing a glut of British and Irish trained doctors they’ve recruited in the interim.
So what we have now is foreign doctors who are good enough to satisfy the extremely costly visa and registration processes but unlikely to be employed as a doctor when they look for a position.
Perhaps its time that someone was truthful with them? because this is starting to look like a rort. The executive chair of Health Workforce New Zealand, Des Gorman, said in the interview
“our priority is clearly New Zealanders studying in New Zealand medical schools“
Maybe that statement should be printed on the visa application form, or the occupation of doctor should be removed from the skills shortage list. Because it looks like there are more than enough locally trained doctors and there is no shortage.
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It combines many of the workforce development functions previously undertaken by the Ministry of Health and has assumed responsibility for the work of the Clinical Training Agency (now known as Investment Relationships and Purchasing).
HWNZ is a business unit of the National Health Board and its work is overseen by an independent board chaired by Professor Des Gorman with board members from business and across the health sector.
It is led by Dr Graeme Benny, and is organised into two teams – workforce intelligence and planning, and strategic education and training investment.
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I do not know if many people are aware of this, but Statistics New Zealand awards cash prizes to media reporters every year. For “best” use of its statistics in a story. Consider too the publicity that comes of that “best use” for the reporters who win the prizes. This policy demonstrates, among other things, the incestuous relationship between the government and private interests which has been observed before on this site and on Expatexposed. The New Zealand media colludes. It helps boost New Zealand’s reputation and suppress real life problems there in a way that the media in other countries does not do. This unethical practice does a lot to mislead foreigners about the conditions in New Zealand.
Aside from raising very valid questions about the separation of the state and the media in New Zealand, this practice (if it is true) also effectively stifles critical examination of data and the conclusions made from it by Statistics NZ.
This presumably is the same data that is supplied to organizations such as The Social Progress Imperative to construct things like the Social Progress Index. Amazingly, New Zealand went straight to the top of this year’s index despite not being listed in it a few months ago. Within hours, TV news programs in NZ were running extended segments on the index and the country’s place in it. Blatant propaganda? sure looks like it.
Statistics New Zealand
“New Zealand’s Minister of Statistics is Maurice Williamson who serves as a member of the New Zealand House of Representatives and holds several other posts within government. The chief executive officer of the agency has the formal title of ‘Government Statistician’ and this position is currently held by Liz MacPherson. The department employs people with a variety of skills, including statisticians, mathematicians, computer science specialists, accountants, economists, demographers, sociologists, geographers, social psychologists, and marketers. As of 2013, the agency has about 1000 staff.” source.
That’s rather a lot of manpower for compiling statistics on a country of a little over 4 million people.
By comparison, in Britain the Office of National Statistics reports directly to parliament and not to a ministerial department. Its independence from government is protected by legislation and codes of practice so as to “help improve public trust in official statistics.” source. Information about the statutory independence of New Zealand’s Government Statistician may be found here.
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“It’s not that we don’t know it’s all going on, we desperately want to report on it. God knows we got into journalism to tell the truth, but the reality is far more depressing. I can tell you that myself and my colleagues have been informed in not so polite a way, “Report on that and you are out of a job, we need to keep the government and our advertisers happy in that order”.
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So in essence it is a case of report all is well, keep the advertisers happy, keep the government spin machine running, make stories from nothing as if they have grave national importance and maintain the lie. Truth was a casualty of all journalism when it comes to the almighty dollar, it’s just far more obvious here.
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