As we predicted, the New Zealand press have at last picked up on the carping Kiwis article in the Australian Courier newspaper we wrote about yesterday.
The Herald used the example of a New Zealander living on the Gold Coast as an illustration
Tim Baker, a 40-year-old Kiwi living on the Gold Coast, wasn’t surprised by the survey results.
While Kiwi-Aussies might seem a “miserable lot”, many had good reason to grumble, he said.
“We are basically second-class citizens over here.
“I’ve moved here with my Australian wife, had three kids here who are Australians, I have worked here pretty much the whole time and I have bought property. But when I got laid off, what could I get? Nothing.”
Of course a balanced report may have questioned why Mr Baker didn’t decide use his time in employment to apply for permanent residency in Australia, why he didn’t give himself and his family long term security in their new country. This is what migrants from other countries do. It’s what migrants in New Zealand are expected to do. Why aren’t New Zealanders in Australia doing it too?
The Herald says it costs Kiwis more than migrants from other countries to obtain Australian citizenship $3800 vs. A$800 but that figure of A$800 looks very low. We think it’s because migrants from other countries have already paid out thousands for permanent residency (PR) and citizenship for them is simply a ‘top up’ to seal the deal. New Zealanders would have to start from scratch – paying for PR, waiting for the residency requirement to elapse and then going for citizenship. Some may say it’s worth the investment to obtain the security.
Currently only New Zealanders holding a special category visa before 26 February 2001 are eligible to apply for Australian citizenship straight off. Any New Zealanders arriving since then have to apply for permanent residency first, just like any other migrant group has to ” if they wish to access certain social security payments, obtain Australian citizenship or sponsor their family members for permanent residence.” source
The question here should be why aren’t Kiwis applying for PR in Australia instead of complaining that they can’t access some social security payments.
You can read the full article by the Herald here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11241507
Interestingly, the Herald hasn’t yet allowed comments from its readers.
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New Zealanders migrating to Australia find plenty to whinge about in the ‘lucky country’ according to new research by Monash University for the non-profit Scanlon Foundation.
New Zealand is the third largest source of new residents for Australia and Kiwis have easier access to work in Australia than any other nationality, yet despite that they’ve still found plenty to complain about.
According to the Australian Courier Mail, lack of access to some state benefits is one thing that’s giving Kiwis plenty to carp about.
“Recent arrivals from New Zealand are more unhappy with their financial situation than any other group, with 40 per cent describing themselves as “dissatisfied’’ or “very dissatisfied’’.
Some 46 per cent of the Kiwi respondents say they are poor, struggling or just getting along – the second-worst result after people from Asian countries other than China/Hong Kong, Malaysia or Indonesia.
“A lot of people see Australia as an opportunity to come and get work and that’s often not the reality,’’ said Sarai Tuuga from the Boystown charity in Logan where one in 10 of the population was born in New Zealand.
“There is a lack of access to income support and limited access to job-seeking services. I don’t know that that is widely-known (before people come),” she said.
Kiwis are the group least likely to see Australians as “caring, friendly, hospitable people’’, with just 1 per cent of New Zealanders nominating that as one of the things they most like about this country…”
Kiwis are suspicious and reluctant to integrate
“They are also among the most suspicious of others. Only 22 per cent said they believed that, generally speaking, people can be trusted and 63.2 per cent reckon ‘’you can’t be too careful’’.
Just over a quarter said they had been on the receiving end of discrimination because of their background – more than twice the level among Brits.
And New Zealanders are in the top-three migrant groups who believe it is unsafe to walk the streets at night in Australia.
Only a third of Kiwi migrants say they identify as Australian – compared to three-quarters of those from India and half from the UK.
And while 92 per cent of Chinese migrants who arrived between 1990 and 2005 have become Aussie citizens, just 41 per cent of New Zealanders have done so – the lowest of any group of arrivals…”
Looks like you can take the migrant out of the country but you can’t take the country out of the migrant. You can read the full article here.
As ever, the devil is in the detail of the comments section of which there was plenty (see a selection below) and they’re sure to grow as word gets round, there were about 30 comments when we first looked and over 100 by 8pm NZ time.
It won’t be long until the NZ press get a hold of this, it will be interesting to see how they spin it and if it is used to whip up some more ant-Australian rhetoric. Keep an eye out for it in the coming days.
Tell me about it! Every one of them I’ve met whinge. They seem to think that Australia is somehow attached to New Zealand and they should be able to fly in and live here with all restrictions dropped. We are 2 separate countries! They can just fly in and work and take our jobs. What more do they want? New Zealand is also a back door to gain entry here. Their government will let anyone in so other nationalities get citizenship there first, then migrate here. I also wish they would drop this “AS” thing following everything they say. Our school kids have picked it up and it’s annoying AS.
A mate of mine who has been working rebuilding Christchurch woke yesterday to 4 deg and didn’t enjoy a max of 13 deg. He rang me last night to say is it any wonder they gravitate to Qld. He can’t wait for his contract to finish. Kiwis have nothing to complain about. If they do, they can go back home and freeze their butts off.
I think you will find that the kiwis claiming to be poor have south sea island heritage, they go through NZ to get to Australia. The loophole is that those countries citizens have entitled access into NZ, once there they get a passport and then are entitled to migrate to Australia, if they tried to come directly to Australia they could not and would be required to undertake our immigration selection process.
Absolutely correct Sue. The New Zealand Government is at fault here, and needs to tighten up on their immigration rules. They accept dirt poor, uneducated people from the pacific, who are unskilled, basically illiterate ,and speak very poor English, with the full understanding that they will migrate to Australia, and become Australia’s problem. Before we have an exercise in Kiwi bashing, I think we need to understand that most of these people claiming to be New Zealanders are actually from somewhere else.
This is a bigger challenge to the Australian economy than asylum seekers. Far too many of the Kiwi’s who hit our shores arrive without any requirement around skills, financial security or any potential to contribute in a meaningful way to the Australian economy or future. New Zealander’s should be subjected to the same visa requirements as everyone else. I have business colleagues in NZ who laugh at Australia’s immigration policy and are grateful for us taking their less credentialed kin. Saves NZ having to accommodate them. Why do we insist on being the joke of the world.
I agree. We have too many New Zealand citizens arriving in Australia without properly researching their entitlements and expecting to be propped up with Australian government benefits. If New Zealand citizens do not have a job to come to in Australia, they should not be allowed to move here. The SCV444 is a temporary visa, but many New Zealand citizens believe they should have the right to vote, and receive pensions and payments that are only afforded to Australian citizens. Australia must have the right to determine who becomes Australian citizens.
No access to welfare entitlements despite paying taxes”. Join the queue behind the Aussies. I have paid taxes all my life and never received any middle class welfare. Bought my house before there were handouts for first home buyers. Had my kids before there were baby bonuses. Never received any child tax payments because i have always just been above the threshold. Now im probably not going to get a pension. Stop winging – even hard working Australians arent entitled to anything.
@Constantine how right you are I arrived in aussie 1978 worked hard because of my work qualifications in the justice system and on my own with no help no hand outs brought and paid for my own home and now am 74yrs old on a pension have paid full taxes since I arrived and never had any pension what so ever Oh I am a kiwi ex vet who found that I was treated by the kiwis when I arrived home from overseas service in Vietnam by all sorts of names so that is why I came here and lived in Logan city.
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Foreign Doctors Squeezed Out of Jobs in Socially Progressive New Zealand, Priority Given to ‘Local’ Doctors.
Are you a doctor considering emigrating to New Zealand?
You may want to listen to this report from Radio New Zealand before you pay for your work visa. Immigrants have passed the exam but are at the bottom of the queue for jobs. However, they are still being admitted to New Zealand to look for work.
Out of 100 migrants who sat the exam last year only 50 passed, out of that only 25 found a job. One young Indian doctor could only find work as a part time receptionist.
“We’re not getting employment anywhere and everyone has just washed their hands of us“
New Zealand trained doctors are staying put and not emigrating overseas, employers are facing a glut of British and Irish trained doctors they’ve recruited in the interim.
So what we have now is foreign doctors who are good enough to satisfy the extremely costly visa and registration processes but unlikely to be employed as a doctor when they look for a position.
Perhaps its time that someone was truthful with them? because this is starting to look like a rort. The executive chair of Health Workforce New Zealand, Des Gorman, said in the interview
“our priority is clearly New Zealanders studying in New Zealand medical schools“
Maybe that statement should be printed on the visa application form, or the occupation of doctor should be removed from the skills shortage list. Because it looks like there are more than enough locally trained doctors and there is no shortage.
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