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  3. Another example of censorship here
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/65374722/Tradies-lambast-spoiled-generation

    There are only 2 comments in this article, and comments are now closed.
    There was previously nearly 300 comments in this article and the comments were closed then.
    Here are some of the comments that have mysteriously gone missing (As they say, “I’m just keepin’ it real”:
    Jonman3 hours ago
    Well, how did these employers choose their staff? NCEA reports were meant to show very specifically exactly what study areas every child has mastered (or not mastered) and to do away with hiding incompetence in one area beneath an overall percentage given for summing up everything. Are employers too confused by all the fine reporting detail to make any sense of NCEA school reports? Or aren’t they even bothering with the applicants’ NCEA reports at all?
    -3

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    SenseOfTheAbsurd4 hours ago
    It’s downright sinister, the propaganda campaign that’s being run to demonise the under-25s. Aspire to a liveable wage? BRAT. Aspire to being able to get a mortgage on a basic house and have kids and a lemon tree and maybe even a dog? SPOILED ENTITLED DEMANDING BRAT. Object to having what’s essentially an extra 10% tax to pay for an education, the cost of which has increased well beyond the rate of inflation? OVEREDUCATED SPOILED ENTITLED BRAT WITH NO IDEA OF THE REAL WORLD.

    And I say this as a crusty old fart of 45.
    +2

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    Madwife4 hours ago
    My 19 year old son is one of the hardesr workers I know – working 10 hours a day, 5 days a week.

    Had to go to Australia to earn a decent living though.
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    JimmyRob3 hours ago
    Don’t believe the crap about being easier to buy a house though mate. Unless a 2 bedroom cottage close to the city for a million bucks in Melbourne appeals to you.
    +1

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    Daniel Talis5 hours ago
    I understand the frustrated sentiment expressed by employers in this article but I believe there are some very important reasons why so many are coming to young adulthood in such a condition. Here’s one.. many young people intuitively know that political correctness is a motivating force behind school procedure.
    Here’s another.. young people intuitively know that the ‘worker ant’ work ethic is not something they are comfortable entering into.
    In an age when machines can do what people once did, they are now looking around for the next stage, the next role and reason for being on planet earth, of fitting into a system that is choking and no longer providing inspiring opportunity. Basically they cannot relate to what is on offer. I think the system has to catch up with kids, not that kids should mold themselves into an old paradigm. To say that they are spoiled or lazy is not entirely correct. Observe any young person, if they enjoy what they are doing, those qualities are nowhere to be seen.
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    Herpderp224 hours ago
    They don’t work because they don’t see the link between work and getting ahead. They don’t see it because it’s not there. Workers have spent 30 years getting more productive and efficient. This is fact. Wages have stagnated for 30 years. This is fact.
    It’s not surprising that some kids don’t see the point. What’s surprising is that any of them do.
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    ScottJ3 hours ago
    The only “reward” I ever got from working hard was being made redundant. Twice.
    +1

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    Daeva10 hours ago
    while i agree that literacy and numeracy is down among school leavers (my primary school teacher told me blatently that they no longer hold children back when they haven’t mastered these skills to their age level) i disagree with the attitude of employers offering apprenticeships. they pay under the minimum wage and expect the apprentices to do the full wage job. and if cleaning the toilet is part of a mechanics job description i’m a monkey’s uncle. sadly most high schools/colleges (depending on what city you are in – for those nitpickers) no longer send kids on work experience – i’d love to know why, when i was in high school we were sent out onto work experience in our senior years. maybe it needs to be put back in place?
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    Diz11 hours ago
    I know a young guy in the Waikato (16) who started a mechanics apprenticeship about 6 months ago. He was really pleased to get the job and excited at the start. Since then, however, his enthusiasm has waned. I don’t think that’s anything to do with his age, however. He’s often left on his own to work on a job that he’s never done before, with no help or instruction. If it takes him longer than the qualified mechanics, then the boss expects him to stay late to finish it. Often he’s asked to stay late to help others finish their jobs too. He ends up working 60 – 70 hours most weeks. He comes home feeling exhausted and down on himself. The idea of an apprenticeship is that someone teaches you the trade. That’s not what is going on in his case, however. Any mistakes he makes when figuring out how to do these things by himself will stick, because no one is helping him or correcting him. I think it is a bit much to expect a 16 year old to have all of the knowledge of an experienced mechanic after 6 months on the job with little instruction. They can complain that there’s a problem with the current generation of young people, but if this is industry standard (I hope not), then I think there’s a problem with the expectations of the employers.
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    frank azaroia3 hours ago
    I have been in the trade for 30 years and I have seen good and bad tradesmen
    And I can say the same for employers
    I also am sick of Employers complaining of shortage of good workers
    With the introduction of the Employment Contracts Act the Labour force is now a commodity and employers have had the distinct advantage to negotiate wage rates and conditions
    When industry bosses complain about unable to find suitable staff what they are actually saying is they can’t find cheap staff
    Pay good money , have good conditions and you’ll get good staff , the ECA in essence ,there is no shortage of labour as it is a commodity
    But Employers will import cheap labour from overseas (immigrants are only here for the money ) lowering the wage of the average NZer and decreasing NZeds Standard of living this is a very slippery slope
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    • Whoops, the comments came back … anyway, hope the previous post gets published if only to store a sampling of what was said.

    • Good for you to save the undeleted comments! We should do that for a lot of New Zealand news stories. Someone should make a regular column or blog about it. NZ WikiPress. Keep an archive of the reality so that people can see how much that country censors to preserve their insanely tarted-up “reputation” internationally.

      • Thanks for your words, and
        Just LOL again,
        the comments have gone missing.
        I refreshed the browsers 5 times each to be sure.
        Yup, good thing I saved them and put them here.

        They (the newspapers) can of course make up an excuse, e.g. database issue or “technical problem” …

        after all censorship only happens in authoritarian countries /sarcasm

  4. Interesting pages.. My ex-husband is a Kiwi and I have visited NZ couple of times for few months.. I did notice that people are easily jealouse and I still don’t understand why and I felt often I am not welcome. Later I found out that my Ex, then still husband left NZ to escape his criminal record and after our divorce, he built one in my country. NZ is beautiful country, the nature, but I found my in-Laws rude and nasty, exept couple lovely lovely people. Now my Ex lives in my country on a dole, doesn’t pay child support and was violent to me and to our child. All I wish and hope he would leave back to NZ. Now I feel like prisoner in my own country because of Mr.ex harashing me and no-one seems to be able to help. He doesn’t mind going to Court and getting fines either as long as my life gets ruined..

    • If he’s anything like mine (who was also busted for criminal activity), he stopped working so he’d qualify for legal aid specifically for the purpose of gaining control over my life and that of my children. His girlfriend was “keeping” him (in the sense of “kept man”, in pursuit of a shared goal – to retain his kid in his own blighted country. I hope for your sake that he goes home or gets thrown in jail. Does any of this matter to the courts? Not in New Zealand. Maybe not in your country, either. I found the same things in New Zealand: a nasty pettiness and a resentment of people from other countries.

    • It’s not that they’re useless – just out-numbered, out-gunned and under-funded. They also have to live in these small communities, send their kids to school there, shop at the local stores and are under pressure to keep down the number of reported crimes. It’s probably more about maintaining the status quo, than keeping the peace. Ultimately, these towns are run by gangs and vigilante groups.

      • “are under pressure to keep down the number of reported crimes”. This is SO TRUE. The reason being, mostly, so that NZ looks good in the OECD stats. Another marketing ploy.

  7. Thanks for your blog that depicts the truth about NZ without mincing any words. Only if I had come across this before making the foolish decision of going to NZ for study and work,! Being an Indian, I have faced considerable amount of racism in NZ – which is all very veiled- but it is one which pinches and hurts you. I have come back to my own country and have let my friends and family know about the attitude that NZ has towards immigrants from India and Asia. As you have pointed out for yourself- New Zealand is cut off from the rest of the world. hence the more ambitious lot do not really want to go there at all- except for touring it. I was disappointed with the wages there as well and the living expense which is incongruous with what most people earn. Its interesting that the NZ government welcomes Asian students with open arms students ( which of course include Indians) international students because end up paying at least 5 times the course fees than a local student. THAT is why. Because international students boost the economy of NZ in a real big way. So obviously once these students complete their education, they look at settling down with work. I feel that it is immoral for the NZ government advertise New Zealand as a land that is waiting to receive international students with open arms and make them invest thousands of dollars, when the reality is that most Kiwisf look upon these international students as a menace that damages their social and economic fabric. I will never ever go back to that horrid country which suits the adage ‘Don’t judge a book by its cover’ the best.

  8. Woop woop, e2nz got a mention:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/10631945/Wipe-your-student-loan-go-bankrupt

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    Ziggaty18 hours ago
    I can in some way understand the frustration of those that sit courses, get high student loans, only to find that there is no job at the end of it all.

    Nursing is a classic example. They do their course only to find that government is allowing the import of nurses to fill jobs. Just visit any hospital and look who is filling young nursing jobs.
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    Garry Anderton18 hours ago
    Nursing is a job where there are shortages – staff were imported to cover for positions that COULD NOT be filled by New Zealand registered nurses. Another poster not in possession of all of the facts using the race card
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    Jonman17 hours ago
    There are nowhere near enough NZ trained nurses (or doctors) to staff all our hospital and clinic vacancies. Without these highly-skilled immigrants, the entire state health system would collapse. That’s a simple if inconvenient truth.

    +4
    Observer77717 hours ago
    Garry – I know at least 3 nurses who could not get work in our region. While our local DHB continues to employ imports.
    meanwhile our tertiary institution continues to train overseas nurses – most of whom are hoping – and planning to switch from a student visa to a work visa at the end of their studies, and stay here to earn money to pay off the loans they took in their 3rd world countries to study here.
    And most of THOSE countries are desperately short of good nurses.

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    R S17 hours ago
    So why are they not replaced by our new graduates as they become available?

    +1
    Ziggaty12 hours ago

    Garry – It has zero to do with playing the race card. Those that gave you the thumbs up should read this;

    https://e2nz.org/2014/01/23/new-zealand-hospitals-start-care-rationing-as-500-nursing-graduates-struggle-to-find-work/

    (My comment is that they want the foreign nurses in … as those people will consume NZ goods and services + bring in extra currency in the form of fees and certifications, and in a desperate measure to “prove they’ve tried everything to stay on after being misled into a swindle” … perform “irregular payments”).
    Saying “they only want foreign nurses” is too simplistic.

  9. NZ- first world country- yeah right. I have spent a lot of time in India, in the art world in Delhi and also spent much time in cities like Varanasi. There is a wide spectrum of everything in India, and there are some very wealthy people there, and some aspects are really developed.
    The huge population is the worst problem. At least India is interesting which one cannot say about NZ. If you get a lobotomy you should be fine in NZ and can relax and drink your beer and get really inspired by rugby and even enjoy NZTV. Without the lobotomy you may fail to enjoy the “finer points of NZ life.” My current way of thinking is to get the fuck out of here before it damages me too much mentally and spiritually. I think it is too late for NZ. Who could have voted the smiling assassin Prime Minister back in office – only Kiwis. I was in Bangkok when it happened and could not be believe this was possible. Things have only seriously plummeted for me since I boarded the plane from Bangkok to ChCh. Now I have to deal with incredibly stupid things that are a waste of my life (living time).

      • Dunners…Dud …Dunedin. Cold, remote and dirty rednecks in the outback, who seem to want to harm me, because I know that they are fuck-ups and tell them so. I made a huge mistake coming back to live in the arse-end of the world. Why on earth I ask myself, did I do this? Such self-harm to live here. Where is my sheep outfit…. I should kit myself up this way to not be noticed.

  10. I am back with the second part of my life story in the most socially progressive nation on earth ( NZ) Yeah Right! Absolute nonsense! I came back to NZ after a lot of soul searching In India and upon seeing my friends who graduated there in Engineering getting jobs in top globally recognized companies was really an eye opener, that my years of struggle in NZ were just a waste or a big mistake. A country like NZ which does not value its own qualifications and only believes in the buddy / reference system for a job cannot progress. I however decided that I had to come back because leaving without getting optimum usage of my family’s hard earned money would just be a waste of both time and money. I came back and started looking for jobs and was trapped by one recruitment consultant who promised me the world about a so called reputed company on North Shore. The manager was a British (mind you I was still getting over my worst nightmare aka the British Hitler who was my previous boss). He was quite nice in the interview and hired me. The top boss who was a French creep was out of station when I was hired came back and just couldn’t digest the fact that an Indian was hired. He started giving me a really hard time and the British prick changed colours like a chameleon and started putting all sorts of false allegations on me . besides the customers I had to deal with ( Kiwis) were an absolute nightmare. Their mentality is you are a slave once they pay something for a product. Use and abuse that’s the Kiwi motto. The other Kiwi colleagues were also backstabbers, talking nicely on the face and all the time complaining behind my back. This went on for 5 months and I was asked to leave by the British and French pricks with all sorts of false allegations which I was not at all responsible for!
    I was upset but these assholes could not break my determination and after a struggle ended up again at the same company I was working as a student.I basically got the job because of my previous work ex as a student. This time around though I was at a higher position and gosh what a joke this company is! Kiwis can’t run companies. Period. Things have gone from bad to worse. Stupid investments are done, poor shareholders hard earned money gets invested into this shithole of a company and false promises are given again and again. This is a family business and the CEO and his brother are both liars of the first category. People here get hired for knowing whom they know! Not for what they know! Inthis time I started studying Post Graduation at a good university in Auckland and theinternational students there often complained to me about the racism they faced. A lot of them I know have left as they couldn’t get jobs after studies and feel cheated by this scam called NZ. I have survived 3 redundancy rounds at work and really don’t know how much more time is left for me but as I write my NZ citizenship has been approved and I will be leaving NZ soon as I had enough of this craphole. Everything is getting worse right from housing to the job market. Kiwis and a lot of immigrants are always in a state of denial about the sad state of affairs and how the smiling assassin Prime Minister has ruined everything for good ! Even immigrants firstly being South African white immigrants I met tell me India is underdeveloped! What do they think South Africa is ? Well India inspite of its issues is a booming economy unlike South Africa which is a symbol of racism and hatred and is going down everyday.
    Coming back to Kiwis, the conversations they have is what beer they drank last weekend, who is sleeping around with whom, who did my hair! Gosh annoying! There is no intellectual conversation like global economy, the state of the so called great NZ, housing crisis etc. My advice to immigrants especially Indians is stick it out here for a few years and NZ citizenship could be way out of this mess! Or else study a course here which no doubt will not get you the recognition here but it will surely reap the rewards in another country like Australia where qualifications are respected unlike here! Getting depressed is not a solution and I know easier said than done but our people are determined and mentally tough enough to succeed. No ediot can put us down. Finally the ediots I have met here have only made me stronger and more determined. I did not achieve the kind of success I wanted to but still at least I have qualifications that will be recognized and the passport of a so called first world country which in my opinion is NOT! All the best

  11. Wholeheartedly agree Deterninati Extreme, and please write the rest of the story. I have just come back from the Middle East and Asia (I am a Kiwi) and have decided that I cant take any more of NZ. The driveway of my property has been trashed (garden and trees destroyed) while I was away, because I am a greenie and took some of the “Deliverance”- styled inbred rednecks through the Environment Court. I have never met such destructive and stupid low-lives anywhere else in the world and I have travelled to and lived in quite a few other countries. I guess that I now have a house to sell. I cant take anymore of the anti- intellectualism and thuggery and debased lifestyle that goes on here.

  12. This site is an absolute gem to vent out your frustrations about New Zealand. I have never met such backstabbing, low lives, racist, frustrated souls in my lifetime such as Kiwis. Its a shame by the way to have such an ugly bird as a symbol !!

    I came to NZ as an international student 9 years ago to study Bachelors Electronics Engineering with a lot of dreams, ambitions and a fire to succeed in life at a polytechnic in Auckland which had a good reputation even though it was a polytechnic. I was shocked at the appalling racism and disrespect shown towards us students ( Indians and Asians) at the polytechnic, by the way dumbo kiwis don’t know that India is actually part of South East Asia and we are Asian too ! The Kiwi rednecks were all to themselves mocking our accent behind our backs ( I heard them mock a few Chinese guys as he walked past ). This initially upset us friends but we were fired up to make up by working hard and finish our qualification besides working part time and supporting ourselves. I knew i had a mistake by investing my parents hard earned money in this shithole of a country called NZ ( Clean and green blah blah) all you can see is cows grazing once you step out of Auckland and people actually walking around like zombies!! The part time job I managed to get with great difficulty after 4 months was at a gas station. I was racially abused few times ( called curry muncher, F*** OFF to India) by brainless Pacific Islanders (mostly Samoans). My colleagues mostly Indians kept saying this is south Auckland and a lot of people here are on the dole, criminals, druggies and that’s why i will have to put up with all this nonsense if I have to survive there. In 1 1/2 year’s time I had developed thick skin but had enough because my manager would always roster me even during my exams. i quit and moved to another gas station which was another crap hole in South Auckland where I managed to survive through for another year.

    Fortunately ( I thought ! ) I managed to secure a part time job at an engineering company which would be beneficial for me to write some relevant experience on my CV. I entered the company and found it to be really unprofessional and having an anti-student mentality. We were treated like slaves. ( make us work like donkeys for a pathetic pay of $12 an hour). The company was mostly full of high school dropouts with very little regard for education. I finished my degree during this time in 2008 and then the recession has broke out. This company had started making people redundant as a result of which I was made on call from part time ( indirectly kicking us out ). I resigned and started looking for new jobs as this company has stopped hiring. GOSH what?? another nightmare !! There were no jobs and somehow after 4 months i managed to secure a technician position at a company in East Auckland. This was the beginning of hell. My boss was a British version of Hitler ( born and raised here to English parents) . This job paid me $ 15 an hour ( what a wonderful pay for a graduate engineer ! ) I was abused almost every second day by this asshole. You didn’t do this, didn’t do that all the time. British Hitler knew I was vulnerable and on a work visa so he took full advantage of it. The regional manager was another British tosser from Adelaide ( horribly racist) as he used to taunt myself and another Sri Lankan colleague all the time saying horrible stuff like you guys are from the third world… (Hello India is the second largest emerging economy in the world).The reaming kiwis were also really ignorant and had zero general knowledge. Finally I got my residency and after taking so much I was just sick and took a break and went to India.

    New Zealanders are the most arrogant, racist creeps i have ever met in my whole lifetime. These people think they are the greatest race on planet and look down upon others races. Their media is the worst and always potrays India in poor light. All the assholes go about is what a wonderful country this is! Bullshit ! a COUNTRY full of crap cars all second hand rubbish from Japan, groceries, petrol prices are nothing short of a heart attack. NZ Television is full of racist ediots. The job market what crap does it really exist?? Recruitment is a scam in this shithole called NZ. I will come back with the remaining bit of my story. Thanks for reading

  14. If you are thinking of moving to NZ, I would advise migrants to not buy a home or flat until you’ve lived here for awhile. Learn the landscape and the quirks of NZ housing. We are renting and so glad we did. Renting also gives us the freedom to leave if I can’t find work by the end of the year. It can be very hard for new migrants to find work because employers will discriminate by using the “local experience” factor. I am mid-career and doing volunteer work that I would have done in my 20s as a new university graduate. Hope things pick up soon.

  16. How do you use the members area? I’d love to talk with others with similar experiences. Thanks!

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  22. Hi there – I’m a regular & I can’t login to it with my password… help! I also can’t find a function to retrieve my password in case I remember it incorrectly.

    • You no longer have to have an account to contribute, just leave comments using a similar email address as you used before (add couple of characters to the end ) and we’ll know it’s you.

      • [Deleted. Dave please don’t use fake UK IP addresses (CryptoStorm VPN), your new profile has also been marked spammer.

        The troll zoo is now open again.

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  24. Have you seen this!? Liable for tax, penalties and use of money after haveing been out of New Zealand for TEN YEARS. Just another reason to sever all ties. Unbelievable!!!

    • Sir/ Madam,

      With all due respect.

      That the gravity defying intelligence that your comments above is leaking with, is putting some dent in the space time here .You folks surely seem to be the ‘model citizen’ of this great nation of ‘New Zealand’, for you are an Ideal representative of that thick headed bourgeois that exist here, overflowing with something called as ‘intelligence’. You, who floating in a chasm of fictionalized pseudo nationalism, think life is a cakewalk with those frequent trips to en-cash the DPB cheques,

      However, you shall be nothing but be ‘tottering’, only if you put a genuine effort to inch the realities of life from your everyday frivolities that you are too busy engaged with.Only if your supreme intelligence would allow you to read some and ‘most important’ comprehend from the link that the mere moral such as me will post below.

      Sadly your elitist intelligence juxtaposed with your sheer stupidity and cock-sureness, would never realize that NZ is nothing but a step away from becoming a rag-hole.

      This wave particle duality is quite evident in kiwis, as their state of existence shuffles quickly, as and when in absence or presence of the quantifying mechanism. This forum elucidate how a proper act of quantifying (read criticism in this context) makes them change their state from sweet sounding patrons to fire breathing, dirt belching crack-whores.

      Anyways, thanks for your ‘proper’ intelligence, i am out of here soon, just like others who have already been.

      Thanks a lot for your sheer hospitality, it will be a memory i will try to forget.

      From

      Vigilante

      (India born 25 year old migrant with a skin having OCA2 gene leading to higher quantity of melanin and an only accent (not skull) thicker than bourgeoisie. And yeah, forgot to mention that with a few degrees and accolades here and there too!)

      P.S. – NZ is the perfect model why perfect socialism is unrealistic, because when you pay people directly into their accounts, when all they do is reproduce, seduce, drink and grow ganja, they become such inconsiderate, unproductive morons as the bourgeoisie commenting above.

      • Thanks. Yeah I sure will pass the idea. Btw I am breaking a another news. Lately there has been a few scams running where international students get a call, supposedly from the immigration NZ, from INZ Number, and then they are scammed. Please check the link.

        A friend of mine got scammed of about NZD 1000 , and when he reported the case the police was so lame, I will ask him to write and article here for E2NZ. He is a qualified Chartered Accountant from India with about seven years of experience who completed his PG Diploma to qualify for NZICA. He never found a proper job here, except clerical grade short term contracts/ assignments. Anyways, he has been massively duped by moving here, so he is moving to Doha soon.
        Please refer to the link below http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/news/scamphonecallsclaimfromINZ.htm

        The question that is raised here, that when the scammers called him they has every ‘inch’ of detail about him, even his arrival card detail, arrival date, IRD number, last addresses, home addresses…you name it.

        While it is known as that INZ maintains a ‘background’ database of every student entering New Zealand and keeps adding to it, so it highly likely that database has been compromised. May be by hacking or by some corrupt INZ official, but these shepherds are hiding it at the moment, trying to conceal the truth by suppressing the news about database compromise. The question of privacy and database security when asked by my friend, went in vain.

        Here are few other links
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/midweek/9385857/Scammers-try-to-scare-immigrants

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/9349397/Immigration-visa-scam-at-Wintec

  28. Take a look at an NZ promoter site enz.org and see how many old timers are leaving NZ despite being on NZ bandwagon for a loooooong time (self admitted). These are NOT isolated cases; they just can’t take it any more.

    The goal of NZ Gov is to get people to pay thru their noses for qualification assessments and then for immigration process while fully knowing that there are NO jobs or opportunities to be had in the end. If this is not a classic rip off then nothing will ever be! And sites such as enz.org simply play the role of facilitators for such scams. Shame it is!

    • Does anyone know who owns this enz.org? It appears to be owned by a real estate agent in NZ. That would explain all the conflict of interest in pushing NZ to unsuspecting immigrants.

      • Every commercial site exists for one reason – to make a profit. Does it matter who owns enz.org the results are the same?

        Fortunately E2NZ.org raises no revenue whatsoever and is self funded. This leaves us free to service the needs of our readership and maintain a high level of integrity.

  31. Trying to find a space where i could vent off my experience of New Zealand since 2008.

    June 5, 2008 i landed in Auckland 11.25 New Zealand time and proceeded towards catching connecting flight to Napier, i still remember that day, crystal clear, as an 18 year old student of Bachelor of Business at Eastern Institute of Technology, Napier.

    I was supposed to be picked up at the airport but since nobody showed up, i shelled out 32 bucks for a ‘splendid’ ten kilometer trip to the student village! God, i had no idea what i was getting into.

    Setting the background, i am from New Delhi and it was sure heck of a transition. To be honest, the first two or three days it felt good and all rosy to the young guy of that time, although i was surprised watching the empty streets and wondered how come shop-owners stay afloat. First week, we had an orientation session, where we were ‘scared mongered’ as they told how Indian students work illegally here and how its hard to find job. Gawd! they were telling this to students after they landed here, like we were some sort of pariah or refugees!! It was nonsense and pathetic, (the fat lady who gave ‘meagered’ us with her passionate elocution, was later fired owing to visa fraud charges and accepting bribes!!!)

    Student village was far from the supermarket, and the public transport is non-existent in Hawkes Bay and a one way trip in taxi cost around thirty bucks. So here i was hungry and feeling ripped off, as no staff helped us transition at that time. After fifty grand of fees, they turned it soon turned out to be a hefty misadventure. EIT as they call it was a very small campus, with bare minimum facilities and looked nothing liked on brochures, but most disappointment was with the teaching staff and totally unqualified lecturers, so much so once i had a person holding a bachelors degree in agriculture teaching a course in business operations.The local students seemed distant and not too interested in striking a conversation, seemed like closeted freaks. Two weeks and i noticed the intellectual absurdity, as there were seemingly grown up students in college level course who didn’t knew about ‘Keynes’ in degree level economics class!! Which to be honest was even of lower standard than my eight grade economics course, and anybody can verify the curriculum from the ICSE India website to validate my point, anyways, soon I immediately know i was among redneck.

    Anyways, passed out, had to take so much pain and shitty employments as student, suffered from depression, self loathing and plain hatred of sheep country! Thought that thing would change in employment situation. WRONG I WAS! my manager turned out not to even have a diploma and there were three managers in our team of five, all the managers were of the same level. Sometimes, i don’t understand how kiwis discount educated people so easily, anybody who has a degree has certainly has more aptitude than these uneducated clowns soaking themselves in the glory of managerial positions. Also, yeah forgot to say that i have been already been made redundant too as the company ‘restructured’. Such low life bullies!! employment relation is a joke here and HR managers are nothing but there to commit the dirty acts on behalf of their employer.

    I hate my current job, but i hate the CEO the most and the unqualified high school pass GM whose act would be deemed a profanity in the subject of management studies.I know that these people faked documents to secure funding from NZTE, as one of the external directors belong the the old boys network and probably drinks in the same pub from the fellas from the NZTE.

    Long story short, am relocating to Australia in one year along with my girlfriend who is originally from HongKong, having lived here more than 12 years and is a qualified CPA with Bachelors Degree, she cant even land a suitable job in accounting here and works in general office administration, and is truly unsatisfied and faces the same old boys club, mismanagement, work place bullying and suppression of latent talents.

    Other than that we both have faced instances of racism, and have had enough of this place.
    We think that we are fortunate being young, with energy to make a move and in order to get ourselves to be able to afford having a stable life and have family, a move is imminent.

    Hope everything goes well, as we move out of this rut. Boy I am outta here!

    • I feel for you.

      You made a very good observation about management not having degrees. When I lived in NZ I worked in a call centre because it was the only kind of job I could get at the time. I had a bachelors degree at the time, nothing amazing just a Politics/Philosphy major but I did get good grades. I do believe that all other things being equal that having a degree – any degree – is better than not having one.

      Pretty soon I realised that 80% of the 40 people people working on the phones in the call centre also had degrees. Guess how many of the supervisors (there were 4 of them) had degrees? That’s right, zero.

      I stayed in that job 5 years and during that time was told the path to success and promotion was to become a “telecommunications industry expert.” So I studied and learned everything I could and soon became known as the most knowledgeable person in the department.

      Over those 5 years I saw several supervisor positions become vacant and applied for them. Each time the job was given to someone who didn’t have a degree and wasn’t particularly knowledgeable about the industry. One of these new supervisors then gave me a poor performance review and when I rattled off all the reasons with facts and figures which I had prepared why he was wrong he completely lost it and started yelling at me. This was the most laid back Kiwi guy you would ever meet who was soft spoken, of NZ born Pacific Island extraction & completely Kiwi in his attitudes and regarded by all as a truly lovely guy. Yet here he was yelling at me, his whole face contorted with rage, as he told me it was going to be hard for me to hear this but I was regarded as a smart arse by everyone in management and that I would never be promoted in that company.

      He e eventually calmed down and apologised for losing his cool and behaving “like people did in the caveman days” and looking back he was probably right that I needed to hear what he told me. But not in the way he thought.

      It’s not just a “Tall Poppy” syndrome. Many Kiwis really do think of anyone with superior knowledge and skills to them as “smart asses” instead of respecting their hard work and scholarship. They will never promote a person who they think of as a “smart arse.”

      5 years wasted at that company doing what I was told to do to get promoted and then because I actually did it being regarded as a “smart arse.” I quit the next day and moved to Australia where I converted my degree into a new career and rose througb the ranks steadily on merit and tenure and now a few years later earn over $100,000 Per Annum $AU. People working in the call centre in NZ are still earning what they were back then, probably about 1/3rd of that.

      I find Aussies are far more willing to give someone a “fair go” than Kiwis are. Kiwis may think Australians are rednecks and racists but from my experience it is Kiwis who are far less likely to give someone a fair go who is different to them. Especially if you are also better educated than they are. And in case you are wondering I am also a NZ citizen so technically a “Kiwi” although I wasn’t born there.

  33. just when we thought that Fonterra, the company that is all our eggs in one basket economy had worked out that getting it right counted they go and do this.

    http://tinyurl.com/lyh6ccf

    oh well at least they are only trying to kill the locals this time and not babies in China.

  36. Thanks Basil, we’d like to incorporate this into our Migrant Tales series if its ok with you. Suffering from reverse culture shock is more common than you’d think, so many New Zealanders find they’ve outgrown their country when they return but feel obliged to stay because of family commitments.

    Let us know if you’d like to add anything to it before its published – we’ll give it a day or two.

    Regards.

  37. Moved back to New Zealand from Sydney Australia this year and have been back just over 2 months. I Was in Sydney for 4 years and really enjoyed it, great energy, a melting pot of cultures and good money to be made. Coming back to NZ has been a real culture shock, im not sure if culture is the word to use because New Zealand is quite lacking in this. The country is beautiful but it does grow old. Housing is overpriced (I was paying less in Sydney), I had to live in my car for a month due to this, food is overpriced, petrol is expensive, there is alot of poverty, and a growing inequality between the rich and the poor. . I did get a job very quick but besides that its hard to make good friends here who just don’t want to get “pissed bro” or drive clapped out old bombs and get stoned and talk about meaningless subjects. New Zealand is also racist and insular in their mindset, I wish my home country would just grow up really, stop watching American T.V programs and decide to change but this is all wishful thinking and I cant see it happening. Im planing on only being back after a year here to Australia, as a musician I found it more appealing to be in with young people doing things, working hard, having goals and aspirations. Back in NZ, I came across the same old faces doing the old shit in the same old town.

  40. Rohanel,

    “a culture of crime and racism”.

    Some Kiwis just can’t help bashing Australia, it’s not Australians’ fault that NZ is being left behind in the development race. I’m not trying to excuse Australia’s faults but expose the hypocrisy and ignorance of some anti-Australian comments by New Zealanders. The ironic fact is that Australians generally have a favourable view of NZ.

    Kiwis made their choice 100 years ago, live with it.

    PS if you’re thinking of moving to Oz, move soon, the door is closing slowly but surely.

    E2NZ,

    Just tired of Kiwi Oz bashing–one of the reasons I changed my mind about considering a move to NZ.

    • Russel, that was probably a wise decision. Australians make up a minute percentage of the the nationalities that emigrate to New Zealand. There must be a reason for that. And before anyone sends us a link to data that shows a couple of thousand people leave Australia every year headed for NZ – most of them are Kiwis returning home

      • Interesting website! New Zealand is one of the top holiday destinations for Australians. There must be a reason for that. The one’s I know when visited New Zealand loved the place. Obviously most Australians will prefer the higher salaries and stronger economy at home, so they are not going to move in a big hurry. Australians are very patriotic. Australia is indeed the lucky country. Literally, very lucky.
        I think to be fair to New Zealand, no country is without serious issues, if you scratch the surface.

        • Living in a place is very different from vacationing in it. Plus, the tourists who visit NZ aren’t living off NZ salaries or in NZ houses, laboring in NZ workplaces, experiencing Kiwi tall poppy syndrome, or sending their kids to NZ schools.

      • [Deleted, if you want kool-aid (or reassurance you’re doing the right thing by returning to NZ) you’ve come to the wrong place. Regards, Admin.]

  41. I find it really sad how this entire website has only negative information, what, did you remove every shred of it you disagree with? If our country has many problems, blame it on the government not the entire country, it really hurts me when people like you do this. There’s not one positive section in the navigation bar either, what you’re doing by creating this website only makes it harder for New Zealand’s problems to be fixed. Many people also consider our country “Small” sure for a country we are, you only encounter about 820,000 people in a 75 year lifetime, how can you state that New Zealand is small at a population of 4.5-5million? You should be happy you even have the right to live here, why don’t you go visit a real third-world country and stop being so biased, you make it out that US, UK and Australia are the best places on earth, then you turn on New Zealand and only make us look bad, sure you can look at the statistics of crime in our country, what about kids taking guns to school in the US? Or terrorist attacks that are completely non-existent here? Australia is built on a culture of crime and racism, you just disregard that and say it’s okay? UK has many government issues, you just ignore that? Oh but no, nono you have to ONLY include negative “non-proven” factual “evidence” to ruin this country even more. If you really want to live to make money then, so be it, I HONESTLY guarantee when I die I will feel so much better about my life than those who promote greed(Which is the main cause our country is having problems) yet you proceed the vicious cycle? You really do make us out to look racist, yes the occasional few are, I frown heavily on racism and I also find it saddening that people look on an entire country and it magically molds their description no matter what it be, as long as it’s negative, right? Isolation, you wouldn’t have a clue what isolation is, sure we are an island far from anywhere else, of course we are going to be isolated from the world, but that does not mean ever individual within our country is isolated. Isolation is having no-one or nothing and being alone. This really hurts me I just thought I’d post my say, you probably won’t even accept this comment because you disagree thus ignoring it. However I really hope you can one day be unbiased as you have built negativity from our country, there are still nice people everywhere, it’s completely untrue to say that we are all violent or pertain to a specific group or context in which a single individual defines. I don’t see New Zealanders as being rural, 85% of us live in urban areas, however, many still believe we are a small country, a rural country etc.. Sure we have more sheep than people, so does Australia with an astounding 120 million sheep, and US with 450 million chickens, I hope I hinted at the stupidity of this comment, because animal population honestly doesn’t matter, and if it did why would it be a good thing? Shouldn’t you be thinking of animal welfare too? Anyway that beside, I really believe you shouldn’t act so biased towards an entire country, I don’t understand why you have such hate for this country, if you really want to carry on that belief then so be it, I won’t stop you, as untrue, judgmental and naive as it may be. I also believe the hatred you expose to even the residents of New Zealand is fault of the government, I also just want to point out that because you have something against New Zealand doesn’t mean we the residents who choose to live here should fall consequence of your problems as I believe this might be one of the main sources why many people choose to leave, not only do you destroy the country for the people who you dislike, you also destroy it for people who do not deserve it, thus making you worse than those who govern this country, those who commit violent acts and crimes, you wouldn’t have hurt one person, ten or a hundred, you would have ruined the lives of millions(Yes an exaggeration).

    Please don’t hate New Zealand. Sorry this comment is long, diverse and unstructured, I don’t see much point fixing because as sad as it may be, you probably won’t even read or accept it, please just take my advice.

    • NOT talking about New Zealand’s problems makes them even harder to fix. Sweeping the dirt under the rug doesn’t change a thing.

      Please read our welcome page to find out why this site exists https://emigratetonewzealand.wordpress.com/introduction/

      You may also wish to read http://expatexposed.com to find out more about why migrants and some Kiwis feel aggrieved with New Zealand.

      People get the government they voted for, the present one was voted in on what was called a landslide majority and the New Zealand prime minister was elected because he represents New Zealanders.

      Perhaps if more New Zealanders took responsibility for their country, rather than trying to lay the blame elsewhere, migrants AND kiwis would find it a better place to live in?

  42. This website is borderline sedition….and you wonder why Kiwis dislike immigrants….Bak to whence you came if you don’t like it…VERY simple.

    • @Roma. Thanks for your input and speaking volumes about free speech in New Zealand. Don’t choke on the Kool-Aid.

      “Kiwis dislike immigrants”

      thanks for confirming that.

      Told anyone else to leave recently, would you rather they stayed and helped fix the place?

  44. Here is our experience of NZ:
    http://bit.ly/ourNZexperience
    The document above is regarded by most as an horrific experience of atrocities. The document contains comments on our experiences from a large number of experts in NZ and around the world – over 30 professors and doctorates, NZ MPs, psychologists, members of the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The universal reaction to these NZ atrocities is horror and outrage. One MP in the House of Commons is so incensed that he submitted the above document to a UK parliamentary select committee.

    It is our view that no other country in the world is as tolerant as NZ toward paedophiles and those who exploit children. No other country in the world has been as brutally abusive as NZ toward a capable, loving family, desperate to protect their vulnerable child from exploitation.

    To date no-one has been held to account for these atrocities.

      • Injustice toward the victim, injustice towards people not in work, injustice towards the justice system (that the victim suffers twice – once by being victimised, and another by not having the criminal (commensurately) “pay for their crimes”), injustice towards wider society (they get jobs despite honest people being out of work)…

  45. lack of parental care,comments like that from some pc social worker make me want to vomit.likewise the 12 year sentence handed out,this scum bag murdered a young woman violently,he BLOODY WELL KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.also this gang culture,prospect crap,these people need taking out big style, violent anti social criminal gangs who instill fear and loathing where ever they are,so scary and intimidating,cocking a snoop at law and order,should never be allowed to parade their strength and violent culture so flagrantly,its like allowing a bunch of the SS to still waltz around unmolested. criminalize membership of these gangs,massive no tolerance fines and imprisonment,and no excuses that lawless behavior is caused by poverty,its not,other wise new zealand, ,just tell your lawless scum that its open season on law abiding people,and hopefully when your tourism tails off to insignificance,you might send out a few police decoys or show a preference to reassure tourists there is some law in newzealand,my son and i have camper vanned all across it,met some trouble,wont be coming back.

  46. I am so depressed after coming to New Zealand in 2007, Not only I lost my banking career last 5 years could not find a single decent job. Everybody wants you to work for free here. They beg china and India for trade still exploit their countrymen so badly.
    For me the things are same. These sluggish goat shaggers invite us in their country to become broke and then ask us to leave for Australia. More than 17000 houses built by whites are leaky still they blame Chinese for doing low grade construction in New Zealand. More than 25 Finance companies gone burst in last 5 years still they think Indians and Chinese are not capable of running companies in New Zealand. I have myself noticed racism where I was told to do business in my community given there is no line for kiwis. They themselves fly to Australia and blame Migrants for taking over. According to Auckland committee 50% Migrants who are capable and skilled are doing crappy jobs like cleaning toilets and sticking parking tickets. Their tone changes when they talk to migrants. They are intimidating and threatening to migrants. I hate kiwis as they made me racist too. I mean they have destroyed the whole maori race by making them dependent and taking their land. Now they blame them for filling the jobs and taking the dole. Let me ask you –Do they take the same care as they do for their own people.Well the answer is a big NO.they do not miss an opportunity to ridicule migrants and maories. On the other hand Maories have almost lost hope and same will happen to all the people coming here. they will either leave or become their slaves. But I am not.Kiwis are horrible Hobbits’

  48. I’m reminded at how backward the technology is here every time I try and do anything.
    Cell phone apps, internet downloading… These are [to be sure] small things, easily overlooked. Yet when placed in the position to provide advanced tech, Kiwi seem to delight in rejecting tech advances, and will say “she’ll be right” and get on with anything that does not adhere to advanced tech, if was not provided by NZers.
    There was an article in the paper today, talking about what the princess was wearing. In the local paper, the was as much “ink” as to who had made her dress, as it had been desighned by someone from NZ. Big “whoop”, a kiwi designed a dress.

    My biggest concern: how degraded my skills will be when I leave. How will Oz view a skillset coming from NZ?

    • The designer was born in New Zealand and then moved to Milan with her mother well before she finished school.

  49. @ carpentaro

    Some people use ‘third world’ to describe New Zealand, even though this is passing out of favor and ‘developing world’ is used more now.

    It does have some ‘third world’ diseases that more developed countries don’t have – e.g. rheumatic fever. And the high number of preventable child deaths, teen pregnancies, child poverty and youth suicide which all suggest there is much room for development.

  50. Since moving to NZ from the US, we’ve traveled to several Pacific Islands. When ever we get back to NZ from our trips, I have to think that moving to NZ from the US [in world status] is much like going from many PIs to NZ. NZ is realy a second world country, but kiwis don’t like to hear that or admit it.

    US is to NZ as NZ is to Cook Islands [only CI is warmer].

    • The “standards” on a superficial level are roughly the same.
      It is not until you look deeper to find the more serious deficiencies. You can look every where and find the same. This can be found literally from the ground up; no foundations under most houses [you could never say that NZ housing is built to a “high standard”], thin skin of “chip seal” [crushed rock sprayed with tar] for road surface…
      But to look at the infrastructure from a distance, it looks pretty good.

      Then there is the more figurative similarity. “Least corrupt”? Favoratism and the “old boys club” in buisness is rampent, I’d call that corrupt. There is huge importance placed on the appearance of propriety, so all effort will be made to have things “look good” with out the more structural soundness of things actually being good.

      It depends on how objectivly you want to look and what you’re willing to put up with.

    • Yep, we have our politicians to thank for that! NZ used to be a first rate country to live in with a first world standard of living….and then the greedy corporate politicians and the Roger Douglas’s took over. Second rate!!!!

      • linda246,

        I’m not sure whether your politicians deserve all the blame, the UK’s abandonment of Commonwealth trading presences when it joined Europe probably is the main cause of NZ’s present economic situation. Rogernomics was an attempt to modernise and internationalise the NZ economy, whether it was successful is another question entirely.

      • I like to second that. Rogernomics started the process of turning New Zealand into a beancounter hell. New Zealand is now a third world country, substandard education, health care, freezing and starving children and old people, sick people, overcrowded housing, corrupt justice system, and living costs are some of the highest in the world. I dream myself back some 35 years, just about everyone had their own home, women and children walked home at night safely, police was friendly and answered your burglar alarm, and it was a godzone place. It is gone.

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