Kiwis Hatred For The English, Australians, French …Tout le Monde?

Results of a Sydney Morning Herald Poll

It’s taken a world cup rugby tournament to expose Kiwis’ feelings about foreigners to their country. If you’re thinking about travelling to New Zealand to watch the rugby, or are weighing up whether to emigrate there, you may want to look away now.

By Dave Tuplin on Mon, 19 Sep 2011 in Dunedin based Otago Daily Times:

New Zealand’s hatred of the English

“I have been to two England games for the Rugby World Cup and I have come to the conclusion that Otago residents or Kiwis in general hate the English.
Don’t get me wrong, I support the underdog, it is in the nature of us English, and British in general to admire and applaud tenacity, we like the underdog.
However at the most recent match, England versus Georgia, the sheer vittriol and hatred voiced by the spectator in seat AK143, section 306 (approx) was astonishing.
Ribbing supporters about the team’s performance is one thing, but to then essentially slag off the English supporters is quite another…” read more here

Ironic isn’t it that one of Helen Clarks selling points in her pitch to the International Rugby Board was Tana Umaga’s promise that “In an unsettled world, players, their fans, their families, would be safe and secure here.

When the decision to award the 2011 rugby world cup was announced the British media questioned the IRB’s decision

“suggesting the board had missed a golden chance to expand the sport globally and calling for change after claims that delegates had fallen for New Zealand’s emotional “last-chance” appeal.

Sounds like the pitch was high on emotion but low on delivery. A bit like the opening night celebrations  when public transport failed and thousands of spectators were crushed and intimidated by drunken revellers. The locals couldn’t even look after their own – the young women from the waka crew were abused and assaulted and Auckland City Hospital was so overloaded that it was sending patients to other hospitals and queues were forming outside.

Someone called “Carys” read the ODT article and wrote this in response, it seems to sum up the unease English people felt in New Zealand, some of whom won’t be coming back to the country because of the people.

“As an English fan, I came over to New Zealand because I love rugby and wanted to see the World Cup, and also to support my team. I have been living in the North Island for two and a-half months and have had a few comments about the fact that I am English, but nothing in comparison to the way I felt down in Dunedin for the first two games.

It definitely isn’t just the odd fan either. The entire attitude of the kiwis down in Dunedin towards the English has been negative from what I’ve seen so far. Only yesterday evening I saw a Kiwi bloke lash out at an English supporter who was just shouting his support of his team. The week before two Kiwi supporters (obviously donning the blue and white of the pumas) shouted insults and threw things at a small group of vocal England supporters until one of the lads turned around to confront them and was swiftly chucked out by the police.

Having seen the adverts all over the television about ‘love of the game’ and how well we treat our fellow fans, I have been most disappointed by the way English fans have been treated in Otago. In fact, after the game last night I was speaking to a couple of friends about their experience of NZ and both said that whilst the country is beautiful they doubted they’d come back purely because of the people.

I’m pretty sure part of the aim of this tournament was to show what a hospitable and welcoming nation New Zealand is. So far, I’ve been rather unconvinced.”

It’s not just the English that suffer from Kiwi hatred, the Australians also get a bashing. You probably recall the embarrassing “New Zealand minister for bad manners” who shouted obscenities and insults at players during Wallabies match, it looks like he set the tone for other Kiwis to follow.

Who can blame the Aussies is they too decide to stay away, this is what they’re saying about the experience of New Zealand:

Aussies irked at Kiwi Rugby World Cup nastiness

“Australian fans say they were spat at and bombarded with vitriol at the weekend – as Rugby World Cup insecurities twisted the friendly transtasman rivalry into hostility.

“The biggest shame for me, my wife and a lot of Australian fans is the atmosphere seemed really great for all the other nations – Kiwis seemed embracing of everyone except someone wearing a gold jersey,” said Wallaby fan Phil Dunne, from Sydney.

Mr Dunne arrived in Auckland on Friday and left on Monday. He had never expected a soft ride from New Zealanders, but the hatred crossed a line, he said.

“Some of the charming exchanges involved sexual comments about my wife, instructions on how we could all f*** off back to Australia and even included one charming bloke attempting to spit on us.”

The experience was mirrored by many other Aussie fans he had spoken to on the night, Mr Dunne said…”

And now the French are experiencing Kiwi hostility for having the ‘cheek’ to not select their best players for the coming match against the All Blacks. At least the French aren’t pretending their star players were injured and unfit to play llike the AB’s did, there was so much disappointment at the Japan match among AB fans who paid big bucks for their tickets.

A week is a long time in sport and Kiwi memories can be ephemeral:

Rugby World Cup’s $460 French farce

“The French rugby team have been accused of making a farce of their Rugby World Cup clash with the All Blacks on Saturday night by naming a side without many of their stars.

The Eden Park match – considered by many as the best of the pool play – was the first pool game to sell out, with 60,000 fans paying up to $460 for a ticket.

The fact that France has been responsible for the All Blacks’ early exit from two previous World Cups has fuelled interest in the match.

But French coach Marc Lievremont’s naming of a drastically altered side – including halfback Morgan Parra making his first start as an international first-five – has disappointed ticket-holders and prompted others to suggest a fix…” more here

No doubt the NZ supporters will make their feelings known in a big way when the French take to the pitch on Saturday, we predict it may start with the Kapa O Pango haka setting the tone for the conflict, sorry match.

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8 thoughts on “Kiwis Hatred For The English, Australians, French …Tout le Monde?

  1. About “hatred of the English” … here are some interesting phrases from
    New Zealand[edit]
    The Parliament of New Zealand maintains a list of words, and particularly phrases, that the Speaker has ruled are unbecoming, insulting, or otherwise unparliamentary. These include:(

    idle vapourings of a mind diseased (1946)
    his brains could revolve inside a peanut shell for a thousand years without touching the sides (1949)
    energy of a tired snail returning home from a funeral (1963)
    The Parliament also maintains a list of language that has been uttered in the House, and has been found not to be unparliamentary; this includes:

    commo (meaning communist, 1969)
    scuttles for his political funk hole (1974)

    Sounds pretty funny to me, wonder why they got banned 🙂
    Sadly, the list ends at 1977. Did the wit stop then too?

  2. Good ol’ New Zealand. I have never seen or experienced more hatred against anything….themselves included…

  3. You only have to read the snidely edited ‘Kiwis in London’ facebook and twitter pages, I tend to avoid my fellow countrymen here in London especially if they have been drinking, our crude, loud and aggressive posturing is highly embarrassing.

    • Thanks for the link Reader, it’s interesting to read about this from both the NZ and the Australian perspectives.

      We noted that the NZ Herald invites comments from its readers via email, but does not publish their replies. The Sydney Morning Herald, on the other hand, has thrown the forum open to its readership and attracted well over 300 responses in just a few hours.

      Here’s a sample of the feedback the story generated in the SMH, (they also ran a poll and we’ve edited the post above to show the results so far) comments are now closed.

      “I am (originally) a NZer, and moved to Australia 10 years ago, so I have seen this from both sides of the fence. NZers love to hate Australia, but the reverse is not true. NZers will deny it black and blue, but the reality is, Aussies don’t look down on NZers at all. Sure there is the occasional sheep joke, but it is usually NZers joking, not Aussies. It’s a bad case of one sided sibling rivalry. Get over it NZ! Time to grow up and give your bigger brother the respect he gives you.”

      “I loved watching the Kiwis play rugby, the haka and all of that, but I agree that the fans have crossed the line from ribbing to outward hostility. As a regular skiier to the South Island, I also have stopped going in the last few years as I found that Kiwi snowboarders and skiiers to have become progressively ruder and arrogant on the slopes – more than any other nationality. Why?”

      “Commonly heard from NZ fans is something along the lines of anyone but aus. We should start a campaign for australians choosing their next holiday destination – anywhere but NZ.”

      “Way back when Test matches were played at Concord Oval in Sydney, I remember that my wife and my friend’s kids were threathened by a couple of New Zealand supporters for daring to support the Wallabies when we were getting flogged. It appears that they can’t even be good winners, which is a pity because the All Blacks are a great team and deserve better.”

      “When Kurtley Beale was coathangered early on and the incident was replayed large sections of the crowd cheered, including the Kiwi couple wearing All Black Jerseys and Irish scarves next to me. “You cheer foul play do you?” I asked them. The large Maori male left me in no doubt my comments weren’t welcome. It got worse in the pubs afterwards. The irish fans are always jovial, and never nasty, but the Kiwis have this vitriolic distaste as soon as they know you’re an Aussie. On Friday night they were quite friendly until they recognised our accents, and then they became hostile. There was no gentle ribbing in a brotherly way, it was downright hostile and personal. I wouldn’t call it racism per se, because I didn’t personally feel vilified, but some of them I came in contact with just seem to hate Australians, and I’m not sure why. Anzac spirit seems to have been over-run by the underarm delivery, or calling Phar Lap, Split Enz and Russell Crowe ours. I don’t know, but a hatred definitely exist.”

      “The actions of the New Zealanders doesn’t surprise me. I visited NZ about 10 years ago, and took a one day bus tour of the Bay of Plenty. I was the only Australian on the trip. The bus driver, continually made disparaging comments about Australia and Australians in my presence, to the point other international tourists were mentioning it and asking me if I was ok. Now I am a woman, and I don’t think I mentioned Rugby once. My trip to NZ proved to me that many average New Zealanders have high level of hatred and anger towards Australia. It is racism. ”

      “The Kiwi fans are a bunch of uneducated thugs. It would be great to go to games where half the stadium is full of them but it’s a bit hard since they keep invading Australia !!! Go HOME !”

      • One word:


        it should be hard to pretend you are important, and world class, but in reality the little brother and eternal under dog, forever in the shadows of the larger, richer and more relevant neighbour. I don’t know if feel distaste, laugh or just feel pity for them kiwis..

      • Try living in London, it seems the further we are from home the worse a certain element seem to behave.

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