Your Exit Interview
Migrants in New Zealand are very rarely given the opportunity to say why they’ve decided to leave the country after investing a great deal of time and effort getting there.
We here at E2NZ would like to give you the chance to give feedback in your very own exit interview and we’re throwing this open to New Zealanders too. Perhaps we can find out if the same things are making both categories of people leave and why New Zealand is failing to keep people.
You can use any, or all of the questions; or just tell us in your own words.
1. What country did you come from and why did you come to New Zealand?
2. What visa did you enter New Zealand with?
3. What sort of work/skill-set did you have before entering New Zealand and did you continue in this when you arrived? If not, why not?
4. What were your initial reactions when you arrived. Did NZ meet your expectations and how did that change?
5. What were the major challenges you faced and how did you try to meet them?
6. What are the good things you found and what did you enjoy the most?
7. What was the deciding factor that made you decide to leave New Zealand? Was this a single event or the culmination of a combination of circumstances?
8. How easy was it making plans to leave New Zealand, what stumbling blocks are/were in your way?
9. If you could have your time over again this there anything that you’d have done differently? what would your advice to other potential migrants be?
10. What would it take to make you want to stay in New Zealand?
11. What are your major challenges and aspirations after leaving New Zealand?
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It was a long story with my approx 1 decade’s experience moving to NZ and then back to HK. To summarise, Kiwi’s were very hostile to us whereas in HK I could coexist and get along with white and asians from all over happily and peacefully. White higher ups impose white terrorism at workplace and serious breach of human rights plus censorship when the media may bash about Chinese violations of IP, Human rights, censorship etc. My personal experience is that the violation in NZ is even worse. The good things were the cheap kiwi fruit and mussles. But they are not what all your life live for. There was no expection of being able to dig gold in NZ from us, but it was my hope to get along with locals, have happy friendship, being able to work and earn a living, enjoy the surroundings in peace. Even if there was no expectation of fair treatment at work or school, the harmful bullying and defamation/sabotage I think is uncalled for and unnecessary. If we got serious abuse from locals, there is no further conflict that we look forward to, so we went back. There was not much we could hope for in any partnership or win win relationship. We are often looked upon with distrust and suspiciousion, or treated like a traitor. Why should we bother carrying all these bad labels and wronged?
Thanks PT for this and your other comments, welcome to E2NZ.
Came to NZ as skilled migrants on work to residency visa. We had spent 1 month on the South Island and 1 month on the North Island to do our research. We wanted to live in New Zealand permanently because we could spend more time outdoors and because we believed that the level of education was good.
Had to accept jobs well below our level of work to make it ‘fit’ with the skill category, which is a story in itself. We are white Europeans, fluent in English (because we have lived overseas for the last decade) so we did not experience a lot of racism or anything. What we did experience was jealousy. Lots of it. We found jobs which were considered ‘top’ jobs in New Zealand, and we still felt that we had gone back some 15 years in our career: work place conditions and management concepts are so archaic that it isn’t funny anymore. The level of education is terribly low; we had no choice but to transfer one of our kids to a private school. Way too expensive of course, even though we could afford it. Houses are of a ridiculously low quality, landlords use their short term thinking skills only and think they can fix everything themselves (not). Cost of living much too high but what really did it for us was the low level of thinking. We have never encountered so little ambition, so much jealousy and such a lack of spirit. The ambitious people who want to develop themselves leave NZ and go to Australia.
Although we stayed for 3 years, gave it our best and have tried to integrate (by volunteering, helping at school, working etc. etc.), we have left and we’re so happy we did!
I am very happy to see this site, because too much of the information out there is totally untrue and I have seen so many disappointed emigrants who are now stuck in NZ!
I wrote a booklet about it (very therapeutical) and put it on Kindle for a few bucks. Just to try and spread the word that NZ is not all that…. (just type in “live in New Zealand” in the Kindle bookstore and you’ll find my 2 cents worth!).
Maria. We also have no regrets about leaving isolated NZ. Someone once said that there were so many young people who were underachievers and they end up as sales assistants,or employees in the tourism industries which do not need much brain work if they are slightly better than the underclass. Hence they will not earn more money in their lives. Only the smart thinkers leave the country fast. For eg, working in the public sector gets you only 2% superannuation whereas in Australia, you get 9% ( 12% in earlier years). Eventually, a retired Aussie will have more money in his till than poor old cousin from Kiwiland. If you spent years working, the difference in monetary gains is huge.
You will not be able to go for cruises, buy yourself some branded clothes, buy your relatives a meal ,etc as you have to make your retirement fund last as long as you are alive…that is how we learnt to use the word TIGHT in NZ…..never heard of it being used elsewhere…
As regards to education, a friend’s son was top in the school in NZ but when he returned to Europe, he became average and had to work hard to keep up with the grades. So, it is an eye opener for the youth.
People still want to pull the wool over their eyes to think that NZ is the place to be…
By the way, I cannot find your booklet…so you have to give the link please.
Book is here:
Move to New Zealand: the real story
This is weird: wanted to give you the link and now I discover that if you look at ‘other sites we like’ it is actually there: “move to New Zealand: the real story”. I shall have to update the resource section with this website, which I have only discovered yesterday! You are right: people still want to pull the wool over their eyes, but in many cases I found that this was also because they simply are stuck in New Zealand. They have sold their home, given up their jobs and have used up all their savings to just get by in New Zealand. So they feel that they have to convince themselves that it has been the right move, even though it is obvious that it isn’t. There is a lot of hidden shame and sadness amongst immigrants.
Its a shame but visiting immigration firms coming to South Africa preached a convincing message about New Zealand . A trip over here and 3 job offers later and we came with great hopes. The job went sour after 13 months and then the discovery that the predominant employment opportunity is contracting whereby the so called employer gets your expertise for a fixed period and then dumps you after the contract is finished . A scam whereby you are paid a slightly higher rate ( sometimes) but with no security of longivity. Amazing that this contrasts with the low unemployment figures published by the authorities. Also check out the number of people arriving versus leaving and the figures are virtually identical. Indicating its a stepping stone to other options. The other writers have spoken about the poor housing whereby you have to wear 4 layers of clothing – thermals included as the house is 8 to 12 degrees and 85 plus % humidity during winter months. The locals are insular,quite rude actually – a closed people not open and friendly as in other countries. Many locals are born again achoholics that spend their time abusing alcohole and taking drugs while beating up their children . Foul mouthed and vulgar.. The local IWI has a chip on their shoulder and will let let you know where you stand… At this stage South Africa looks like a better option despite the crime and BEE situation – NZ is really over sold – or should I say Lies upon lies. What a complete waste of Time NZ has turned out to be. By the way Ageism is a huge factor – dont try and find work if your over 30!! 55 is over the hill . Your regarded as a tall poppy anyhow and they love to reduce you to their level.. Final note they can be friendly as long as you are paying them money or they are getting something FREE..
I visit NZ once every 3-4 years to catch up with my friends. I was born in Singapore but because of my Scottish ancestry and private education in England, get discriminated even by customs officials at the airport who ask all sorts of questions about my accent. I get absolutely sick and tired of Kiwis reducing me to their level. To most Kiwis, I smack of being a privileged toff because of my allegedly posh Oxford English. Even as a tourist, I get rude treatment in stores. I was paying for fuel at the Challenge petrol station in Halswell, Christchurch when this rude proprietor gave me dirty looks never said a word and stared at my credit card when I paid as if he had never seen one before.
My name is Veronica and 2 months ago I started considering studying in New Zealand.
One month ago I was accepted at one university in New Zealand for a Graduate Diploma and qualified for the same program at another institute. I was more interested in the second program, school told me I qualify but I needed to come to New Zealand asap as classes start at the end of October. I email Immigration NZ asking them if I can come as a tourist and apply for my student visa from inside the country and they confirmed yes, I can. .
On 22 september I arrived at Auckland Airport with my husband very excited for visiting and going to school in New Zealand. I was given a 3 month tourist visa which I asked for in order to arrange with the school details for my program, pay the fees and visit the great outdoors new Zealand has. 1 hours later I find myself at the immigration office my passport being withheld , not allowed to leave the airport and having the most traumatizing experience of my life. What I mean by that is hearing a customs officer walking in the immigration office and saying: NO MORE ROMANIANS. My husband and I are both Romanians.. Clearly that comment was made about us..
At Immigration office in Auckland Airport 3 people out of 5 held there were Romanians. The other two were held because they brought more cigarettes than allowed by customs. Consequences for holding romanian passports: 10 hours of interrogation , part of my documents withheld by immigration, sleep deprived for another 24 hours ( after a 36 hour long flight) . during the interrogation I showed immigration all my documents and explained why I should be let into the country: I had the acceptance letter from school, I had correspondence back and forth with another school which I was interested in ,email from Immigration that I can come as a visitor first, proof of funds to pay for school which costs 17 000 NZD, money to support ourselves while in New Zealand, hotel reservation made and places I wanted to visit as a tourist.
My husband was interrogated separately by another officer and part of his interview was asked questions like: where he has worked 8 years ago, why he left the job, who lives now in the accommodation we used to rent and other questions that had nothing to do with my studies in my opinion. This may sound weird to you but I have all our interviews taped and transcripts. Firstly we were told that we have the right to have a copy of the recording and the transcripts. later immigration supervisor changed her mind and wanted to give us only the transcripts. we managed to get both transcripts and tapes and I’m amazed how big chunks of my declaration are cut from the transcripts and relevant information is misinterpreted. . My english is not perfect but I can make myself understood even after 2 days of traveling and 24 more hours spent at immigration. the supervisor ‘s decision was made based solely on the transcript
There are a few facts that I would like to make public from this experience which I consider to be traumatizing . When we arrived at the airport the officer who made the comment : NO MORE ROMANIANS is the officer who pulled my husband aside. We were brought in front of another officer for a short interview. after explaining our reason to be in New Zealand he declared: I am satisfied, sounds good to me but I don’t understand what do they want from you ( referring to customs and immigration). We were taken at immigration office for some checks that “would last about 10 minutes” 12 hours later I am answering the same questions , i am fingerprinted videotaped and recorded.
We were not allowed to leave the airport and could go eat only after asking for permission. while in the airport we had to wear a sticker on our body so security would know we are referred at immigration. sarcastic enough, people working in duty free shops would refer to us as: hey, you are being sent back home. That is humiliating. being looked at as criminals. but that’s not exactly what happened.
I am being sent back to Russia not my home country, because that ‘s all Immigration could arrange for.Russia was the first stop on my way to New Zealand. from there I have to arrange tickets to my home country. If I were to refuse this flight, I would be in custody and escorted with handcuffs to Romania. I am talking here about two people with no criminal record, who have travelled to many places around the world and never had any problems but treated as criminals by Immigration New Zealand. I think a major abuse was made, I would like to make my story public and share documents that I have. Immigration New Zealand was kind enough to let us call our embassy but provided us with the wrong number. We eventually managed to get the right number and put in a complaint. But I would like to go further and share this with other institutions and newspapers , blogs.
Our visa was cancelled and could come back to New Zealand only with permission.
I strongly believe that our refusal to entry the country was based on racism. Immigration apologized and explained to us that the officer who made the comment ” NO MORE ROMANIANS” is from another department. To me is much the same as they work hand in hand : Immigration and Customs. And it was the first impact that I had with New Zealand: discrimination. Even if they tried to absolve themselves from this matter and put the blame on another department my question is: would you share such a harsh comment with someone who wouldn’t have the same views? Would you say : “NO MORE ROMANIANS” to an entire department who should be impartial if they wouldn’t agree with you? I think not. I think the comment made a clear impact on my refusal , especially in the way it was made: on an imperative tone.
Again, I can backup everything written above with documentation and I am hoping to put a stop on this discriminatory behavior from authorities.
Again, I came to New Zealand to study, to spend 17000 NZD from my own pocket to pay for school, had a letter of acceptance, Ielts test , return paid airfare, hotel booking and knowledge of New Zealand points of interested I wanted to visit.
Today is September 23 and I am at Seoul Incheon Airport. My passport was given back to me and in 19 hours we will depart to Moscow but by that time I will get home to Romania I hope my story will get around the globe so others won’t have to experience this. By sharing my story I would like other people who were in similar situation to come forward with their story so we can bring attention to this matter.
Thank you Veronica, that must’ve been a terrible experience for you both. We have published your story on the blog and there is a tweet about it here https://twitter.com/E2NZ/status/250068390457253888.
If you would like to tell your story to the media please leave a message @E2NZ on Twitter.
My Name is Sam and I am a born Australian but have lived in New Zealand since being a child and have happily moved back to my home country.
Without a doubt New Zealand is a beautiful country that has a nice relaxed feel to the place but like most place it has its problem. I found that the country lacks in many opportunities, particularly for young people leaving school. With so few people, and so few jobs out there, what can they do. Young people are given no sense of direction or guidance and many feel stuck as there are so few opportunities. I’ve heard the government now wants to decrees youth wage to just over $10 an hour to supposedly provide them with jobs. That to me is slave labour. Wages are low, taxes are high (although they are in Australia too, but at leat you earn what you work for).
The weather in New Zealand is depressing and it rains pretty much every day. Houses are damp and cold beacuse of poor insulation. A majority of children go to school hungry. A nhigh amount of people are bludging of the dole. There is domestic violence rates. High teenage suicide rates. High crime rates in cities. Its a country fueled by alcohol and drugs. The people are friendly yet not too easy to approach and at times can be a little unwelcoming and stand-offish which can make for some awkard conversations. There is also an incredible amount of stubborness in the area.
To me, nz lacks energy and it almost sucks the life out of you if you there to long. The towns and cities lack vibrance and life but the people make up for that. Its easy to get bored as you are o limited for options there. There is pleanty to do in terms of adventurous activities, if that; what your interested in but of course you need a good amount of money in your pockets to do these things.
I am very glad to get back home to my warm and friendly country of Australia. After a while the cold and bitterness of new zealand becomes a little bit unbearable.
My name is Peter, and although I am Australian born, I have lived here in NZ for the last twenty nine years.
Technically I am not an immigrant. I moved here when I was a baby. My NZ born parents briefly stayed in Australia, had me, then returned home. I have lived in Auckland and a small town north of it. I have traveled both within New Zealand and outside of it.
What sort of work/skill-set did you have before entering New Zealand and did you continue in this when you arrived? If not, why not?
I have been NZ employed/sheltered within the printing industry since I was a teenager. Recently, I studied to become an automotive electrician at Unitec. Then tried to get an adult apprenticeship, where I discovered they don’t actually exist in NZ. Instead I was expected to work for free (work experience) while collecting the dole and ‘looking for work’ During these ‘Imaginary’ jobs, I was expected to be punctual, financially independent and work as fast as paid employees. Making my qualification relatively worthless in practice.
An apprenticeship seems to be advertised, but what the employer is actually seeking is a fully qualified or experienced person to work for apprenticeship wages. So I essentially flushed my 5,000 dollars in student loan down the toilet. Brilliant. I was forced back into the printing industry working as an assistant. For little above minimum wage.
What were your initial reactions when you arrived. Did NZ meet your expectations and how did that change?
Initial reaction to NZ teritary study and post-study employment prospects? Disbelief. Disgust. Dismay. Unfortunately, it has not changed one bit. Course I attended had a supposed pre-requisite of ‘basic knowledge’ yet they spent three quarters of the course teaching precisely that. The last quarter covered existing to older technologies. Despite this being an automotive electrical course, next to nothing was covered on hybrid vehicles, an important emerging technology in my opinion. Only one signal protocol was covered (CAN) there are four other main ones that were completely ignored. There was a dismal lack of equipment provided for the students, no off-car O2, MAF or knock sensors. Previous students had broken them all apparently. Extremely limited scanning equipment. Class of sixteen expected to share one scanner and two portable oscilloscopes.
After graduating course with an average of A+, got only two interviews. One said no, the other jerked me around for two and a half months. I visited every local workshop, and applied for everything online. Nothing came of that either. So I widened my search to include entire country. No workshop has any interest in hiring anyone unqualified/experienced.
What were the major challenges you faced and how did you try to meet them?
Lack of equipment at course. I got around this by simply testing sensors on family and friends cars outside of unitec. Lack of revelevant topics covered was partially overcome by reading up online for the theory. The lack of practical experience with different signal protocol was dissappointing to say the least. The final challenge was securing an apprenticeship. It seems I will have to move to Australia to do this. I will probably not come back to work in NZ. What reason would there be for me doing so? Dismal wages, lack of career advancement, promotion or additional training? Third world housing? An enbarrassingly condescending attitude of business owners towards staff?
What are the good things you found and what did you enjoy the most?
NZ is my home. I grew up here. I could write a novel about things I like! Beautiful scenery, some sparcely populated, unspoilt country. Fresh produce available everywhere. Interesting variety of local musicians and artists. Good friends that I have had a lot of fun knowing and hanging out with. It saddens me to see rampant racism and descrimination towards immigrants here because, despite the bad, we are a melting pot of many, many cultures, as I am fairly open minded, I enjoyed meeting and conversing with people from various places around the world. I enjoy emersing myself in the melting pot of foreign cultures that is Auckland City.
What was the deciding factor that made you decide to leave New Zealand? Was this a single event or the culmination of a combination of circumstances?
Lack of employment prospects. All the good things about this country amount to naught for me if I am unhappy in my work. I am thirty years old. I need a trade qualification behind me. It would seem I can’t get that here in my industry of choice. I could put up with or get over NZ’s other faults and issues, but lack of a career is a deal breaker for me.
How easy was it making plans to leave New Zealand, what stumbling blocks are/were in your way?
As easy as booking a one way plane ticket out. As I hold Australian citizenship by birth, I have an Australian passport. Despite living in NZ most of my life, it was easier, faster and cheaper to get an Aussie passport when I wanted to travel. The only stumbling block is all of my immediate family (parents and siblings) live in NZ. But I can come back for hollidays and visits, plus keep in touch with skype.
If you could have your time over again this there anything that you d have done differently? what would your advice to other potential migrants be?
I would not have bothered studying here. Australian government seems to make more of an effort when it comes to study and upskilling incentives for employers. Plus there are better career prospects after your course ends.
My advice would be; unless you are a backpacker, retired or independantly wealthy, seriously think twice about coming here unless you have a definite job sorted and waiting for you. To anyone coming here to upskill, forget it. Don’t waste your time. If you have a family or intend to purchase property over here, again, forget it unless you are willing to come here for a holliday first to decide if it is really your cup of tea.
What would it take to make you want to stay in New Zealand?
A miracle. E.g. The government here to get serious about training and retaining tradespeople here in NZ. Also this ridiculous qualification system (NZQA) needs to be completely scrapped and rebuilt. It is a joke. Employers getting serious about upskilling and retaining their people. Regardless of what country they came from. Landlords to get serious about offering ‘developed’ housing to tennants. If I held my breath waiting for all this I would suffocate (or move to Australia).
What are your major challenges and aspirations after leaving New Zealand?
Paying off my student debt. As soon as I leave the country, I will be charged interest again. Oh well. Getting my foot in the door of a new industry with a possibly useless NZ ‘qualification’ may result in me having to do the equivilant certificate again in Australia.
I’m originally from Taiwan arrived in New Zealand in 2006 for my kiwi partner. I entered the country with a working holiday visa then applied residency through partnership. I came here after dropped out of my first year of university. I wanted to have a break from study so I worked for a year under the working holiday visa. I was living in Auckland at that stage and mainly working at cafés due to my slightly inadequate skill in English. When I first arrived in Auckland I actually had a pretty good impression about the place. However, after many problems with landlords where tenancy tribunals only benefits crazy landlords…, lack of job prospects. It was very difficult for me to find a good employer who does not take advantages of a foreign worker. The minimum wage was $10.50 per hour in 2006/7. I had to live with that in Auckland, while my partner was also under paid for his first graduate job.
Due to the high living cost of Auckland suburb and the lack of career prospect, I decided to go back to study so I moved to South Island to study… for cheaper living cost, but crappier housing anyway. And I hope that a NZ degree would help with my future. However, it didn’t help because my degree is a BA and in NZ art degrees are under appreciated (let alone lack of teaching resources). After I finished my undergraduate degree I then qualified to apply for citizenship, which only took me three month to get it—I can have duo citizenship so why not!
For me the only good thing about NZ is the natural environment. I came from a small, overdeveloped, and crowded country so I felt that it’s great to indulge in an ample living space. Other than that I really missed good food, good shopping, good public transport, and sophisticated cultures where I could not enjoy these in NZ. I think I would still come to NZ, but I would stay probably only 2 years not 7 years! And I would not go to university here. It was a waste of time and investment. I decided not to waste more money on higher education. I have witnessed enough of people that they would continue postgraduate studies just because they can’t find jobs in NZ. I refuse to make the same mistake.
I struggled to find work after graduated and the only way for me to get an average graduate job is through my kiwi partner, sadly and ironically through the old boy’s network… at his work. It’s really not what you know, it’s who you know. Nevertheless, I’m not the only one who has the problem… my partner has been unhappy with his jobs. Leaving the low pay rate problem aside, the workforce here is extremely inclusive and I believe that (if you are lucky and if you are a kiwi) it takes at least 10 years of time for job promotions by hearing some of the stories from my partner’s friends and relatives.
I really had enough of living in NZ. Ranting starts now sorry… I hate to say this but I felt really not welcomed here. I don’t know where is the hatred coming from towards Asians?? I often get bad attitudes from kiwis (i.e. terrible customer service, disingenuous friendships, verbal abuse from strangers etc.) People here seemed to have very low tolerance towards foreigners. My experiences in Auckland was a mixture of good and terrible, in Dunedin it has been ok only within the university environment, I didn’t live in Christchurch and Wellington long enough to judge, but I do noticed that there’s a slightly higher Asian employment than the deep south. I often get strange and unfriendly stares when I go out with my kiwi partner. People looked at us as if we are disgusting. Well, it only took me nearly 7 years to overcome and I really don’t care how close minded people are here. Endless frustrations… not to mention that it is extremely hard to make kiwi friends.
The hardest part was to convince my kiwi partner to leave. I thought I would be stuck here forever until I got my kiwi passport. I am not proud of being a kiwi citizen nor do I need it for travelling. We are planning to go to UK for two years of working holiday and see how it goes from there. I really hope things will get better from now, we’ll be leaving in less than 2 months and I do not wish to come back!!
I had a bad experience with a job offer in Auckland. After this episode, I realise that some of the posts and comments on this website make sense. It strikes me that I have encountered a negative aspect of New Zealand even before I have step foot into the country.
I was offered a job and before the job offer, I was asked verbally for my expectation renumeration. I inform my prospective employer that I wanted $X for my base salary. The hiring manager came back with an offer of $Y, which is about 9% less than $X and offer the remaining 9% as a conditional bonus paid out annually. I wasn’t impressed with the offer as I did my sums on the cost of living and reckon that my family will be comfortable only with my original asking of $X. I also ask for relocation benefits.
What happened after my negotiation request was what struck me as the unprofessional and a “take it or leave it” attitude from the hiring manager.
The hiring manager refused any change in the renumeration offer stating that he went through many levels of approval to come to the current offer. He also stated that bluntly that the salary package with conditional bonus would come up to be the same as my asking package. In other parts of the developed world, bonus is a bonus and is never part of the base salary package. The hiring manager also refuse to entertain any relocation benefits and mentioned that he helped me saved money by not requiring me to attend in-person interviews. Again, in most other parts of the world, the hiring company would pay for air ticket and accomodation for flying candidates to the host country for interviews if needed. How not needing me to attend an in-person interview is helping me save money is beyond me.
With his replies, I can sense that this company isn’t sincere about hiring a talented person for the posiiton and the hiring manager’s attitude does show that future advancement and salary adjustment may well be a brickwall affair.
The worst part is that since I am not able to get the hiring manager to make any concessions to the offer terms, I notified him via email as soon as I can and that was a Saturday, no wanting to make a phone call during the weekends (to give him peace and quiet during his personal time). I paid long distance phone fees and tried to get to him on the phone on Monday but couldn’t get through. Call another 3 times on Tuesday, voicemail. Finally, the hiring manager picked up the phone on Wednesday and told me that my application was cancelled as soon as he had read my email regarding rejecting the offer. All the while I have not received any notification that he had received my rejection email and had acted on it. How unprofessional can the organization be?
I am glad that I have rejected the offer.