“New Zealand Is Turning Into A Really Racist Country” – updated

For anyone wanting to get a feel for good old grass root opinions and issues in New Zealand you can’t go far wrong by logging on to the community message boards at the NZ auction site Trademe.

This is a thread that was started on 22 March 2010 and has generated a heated debate on the site about racism and how difficult it is for people to be accepted into NZ culture if they look different, it’s not even a ‘cultural thing’ just an open hostility toward anyone who doesn’t look like they ‘fit in’.

Since we first published this post in March 2010 this page has gone on to be one of the most popular pages on E2NZ with almost 25,000 visitors from all over the world  and it has attracted 208 comments from our readers. It has itself become the subject of debate on other fora, not least Trademe : Is this how immigrants really see New Zealanders!

Here’s the original opening post on Trademe and a taste of the responses it generated. At the bottom of the page are scores of comments left by our readers. We recommend that this page is read in conjunction with our Migrants Tales series to get an accurate picture of the many problems outsiders face in New Zealand.

There is much discussion in our flat. We have one Chinese (19 years in NZ), one Filipino (8 years in NZ), one English (3 months in NZ) and two PI (12-16 years in NZ). The Chinese, Filipino and PI’s receive racist remarks on a regular basis yet funnily enough our English flatmate who have been in NZ the least amount of time is welcomed with opened arms. The Chinese is NZ citizen. Filipino & PI’s are permanent residences. English on working visa.

The majority of the racists looking down their noses at us are usually white. Umm didn’t you come here after the Maori? Tossers.

Our landlord & neighbour will gladly rent to us but complain immigrants spoiling NZ, stealing jobs here & stealing contracts overseas. It’s OK to take our money but it’s not for us to get jobs here. Hyprocrite. As soon as our lease ends we’ll be going.

NZ is seen as a racist country in some parts of the world. Even Bic Runga said so.

.The British countries are the most racist towards the Chinese and there is a lot of racism towards Maori. Being half Chinese and half Maori can’t be easy for her.

. It’s no wonder there’s a decline in rentals in Auckland. So many empty apartments. Now all those redneck aparment owners and real estate.      agents wish there were Asian to fill the rentals. Sorry but the Asian students won’t be coming back to line your pockets.

There’ll probably be less tourism as well. Japanese friend have mentioned articles that frequently pop up on the web or newspapers about racism during tours in NZ. Again, it’s OK to take their cash and let them on the buses and let them stay in your hotels, eat in your restaurants but you want them out of sight. Hypocrites.

  • “NZ has always been racist. It’s more noticeable now because of the increase in our immigrant populations (which I think is great, by the way)”
  • “yes i agree but nz is still better than were the complaining immagrants came from so if they don’t like it here fark off back to were they came from. and nz is not known as being a really racist country thats buls***.”

Original Poster: “We live in Auckland CBD and most of us are students.”

  • “Oh well nothing more to do then bugger off then if you aren’t happy. Close the door behind you , thanks”
  • “yea, and i agree this country is racist. I wonder why? when the goverment starts favouring one race, then it leads to unrest and that is what is happening.”
  • ” for many of us the “Asian Invasion” (as it was called) happened too fast…..too many and too fast. It changed the face of city’s and suburbs that at times it didn’t feel like home any more. It was if we were the ones in a foreign country. It takes time to assimilate into a new culture.If immigration was processed slowly, many NZers would have been a lot more accepting. It has also been very hard to deal with rude arrogant and ignorant people, and sometimes I am not surprised NZers have become sick and tired of some immigrants.”
  • if you came to NZ for a better life because your country is crap & it’s not working out for you then go somewhere else, i’m sure it wont bother any other NZ citizens. And I would bet that you were seeking cheap rent so will be living in an area with a significant number of ‘undesireables’ around you… that’s what happens. The answer is very simple… move to a better neighbourhood or go to another country… or go back home where everyone is so nice to you. lol.

To avoid confusion this is the Chinese flatmate here. Let me tell you about my experiences. I was one of those who immersed themselves into NZ culture. I came to NZ at a young age and totally embraced NZ. Was even in the kapa haka at school.There weren’t any Chinese schools or language lessons back then so I don’t know how to read or write Chinese. I can speak in a southern dialect but I don’t speak Mandarin.

You can’t imagine how much crap I get from NZ’ers about me not being able to read/write Chinese. They look at me like I’m stupid and sometimes they will say so.

You immerse you get crap. You don’t and try to sustain some of your own culture, you still get crap.

It’s a lose lose situation.”

  • if you came to NZ for a better life because your country is crap & it’s not working out for you then go somewhere else, i’m sure it wont bother any other NZ citizens. And I would bet that you were seeking cheap rent so will be living in an area with a significant number of ‘undesireables’ around you… that’s what happens. The answer is very simple… move to a better neighbourhood or go to another country… or go back home where everyone is so nice to you. lol.

Original poster: No cheap rent. We live in Auckland CBD. Telling us to leave NZ when we’ve been here for most of our lives. You’re just as bad as those who tell us to either die or leave NZ on the street….”

We’ll leave you to read the rest. link

Update: read about the treatment of a South African journalist, Vata Ngobeni, in Taupo covering the world cup here

See also: An article in Philippine Nurse:

“Amid speculations that New Zealand is cutting down on foreign workers, the island country is still marketing itself to be a “choice” destination country for overseas Filipino workers (OFW).

Currently, OFWs in New Zealand are faced with the alleged tightening of registration for foreign nurses, taking into account the country’s assumption that Filipino nurses are not “at par” with their standards.

New Zealand Nursing Council chief executive Carolyn Reed has even previously expressed concern that the rapid increase in nursing programs in the Philippines has compromised the quality of nursing, prompting them make the registration for overseas-trained nurses stricter…”

See also: Skinhead groups on the rise again

  1. Annie
    April 24, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    I worked with international students a few years ago and some of the experiences of my students really opened my eyes to an underbelly of New Zealand society I had never encountered. Quite frankly, it made me deeply ashamed. There were the stories of random attacks on teenage boys for no other reason than they were Asian, or on teenage girls being elbowed, bullied, shouted out, sexually assaulted and told to go home, get off the bus, there’s the airport etc and those were just some of them. And then there were the stories of students fainting in class because they were being starved by their host “families” or living in rooms with mould that I wouldn’t put a pet in and not allowed to turn the heater on to keep them warm. Over the years I would have taught about 300 students and all of them had had racist experiences here and some that should have been criminalised. International students pay good money for their education, board etc and when they get here their treatment is appalling. Telling people to leave or get over it ignores and minimises the truly bad behaviour and attitudes that occur in NZ by NZers to people from overseas. The flip side is people should act decently toward other human beings and then people will want to stay – not leave. People take their experiences of a country wherever they go and I can only imagine some of the stories that they told their parents, grand parents, relations, friends, family friends etc when they got back. Where did our tolerance, values and sense of decency go in just making an effort with guests to our countries?

    • mum123nauckland
      March 26, 2011 at 6:41 am

      Tourists do not linger long enough to receive this treatment.

      Migrants who stay longer, and do receive this treatment, usually want to put it far behind them, but some do speak out. Only to be criticised for negativity against New Zealand.

      I am a migrant worker from Wales, renting at a low to medium economic level. The mould, cold, and neglect of human needs – lawful needs that would be unquestioningly met in any other country that called itself first world – something one becomes accustomed to but did not always foresee?

      Pretty land. Toxic people. I am saving for airfare home.

      • April 19, 2012 at 7:30 pm

        YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT – PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE, THATS WHY I LEFT THE PLACE A DECADE AGO. The country scene was just a gimmick to lure paying tourists, but beware of Nazi minded white heads trying to murder you when you’re there! Kiwis act in bad faith, and inside their hearts they treat you like an outcast. They all only want to take your money whether you’re in good or bad times, and nobody like to see you settle in with success and happiness. They are envious and hatred filled, only see you in bad terms and play toxic games with you, whether in public utilities, banks, or other institutions. They are there to screw you.

        • Anonymous
          July 1, 2014 at 7:04 am

          Yes NZ is racist or beyond that. At least some ather countries are open to racist while here in NZ is hiden. Been here in NZ for 9 years but what I have faced alots of racist people in this country. My accent or I’m not qualified and so on . Some people here are so sick they have no hearts no feelings they are like animals and they are selfish. This country sometimes I think is a hell the way they treat immigrants. But I can understand sometimes less educated people here. They haven’t been travel to see how ather people live and cultures and see how social ather people are.

      • Myfanwy
        April 3, 2014 at 9:32 am

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        • Admin
          April 3, 2014 at 10:35 am

          Banned, if you’re really from Wales it looks like you’ve turned native. Read the comments guidelines – ad hom attacks & other countries.

    • P Ray
      May 31, 2013 at 12:47 am

      Her observation is borne out in this newspaper report:

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10728879

      excerpt:
      Language school students Justina Liu and Dory Wang, who were seen napping at the New Lynn War Memorial Library last Saturday, say they go there if they want an afternoon nap, because their homestay parents won’t let them use heaters at home during the day.

      “It’s nice and warm here, and the seats are really comfortable,” said Miss Liu, who is from Hebei, China.

      “Of course the best thing about it is that it’s free and there’s no one telling you to turn off the heater.”

      But it’s not only homestay students needing a warm place to sleep.

    • Anonymous
      September 7, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      N.Z people are very presides and not good country government is lost lawyers are tiff people are cork do not go there fuck N.ZI have 24 years live there lif the country l

  2. emigratetonewzealand
    April 24, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Thank you Annie, it’s shocking to hear how badly international students are treated in New Zealand, so many of them have been abused.

    They are seen as little more than cash cows, worth $2 Billion annually to the NZ economy, you’d think that would ‘buy’ them more respect.

    We’ve copied your comments and given them their own page under Quality of Life.

    • steven
      August 6, 2012 at 1:20 am

      while i admit I have seen this racism 1st hand ( Im a “Pakeha” which is the Maori word for white man/people ) I have had mates at school who came over to NZ to study and have had coworkers who have come over to work and I do believe it is appalling that it still happens. I believe it got worse with the so called Asian invasion, too many too fast and when people started losing jobs, homes and businesses to the people coming from other countries in this short time the racism issue flared again ever since with each new flood of people entering the country is viewed with the same suspicion because our government made a mistake back then and couldn’t fix it, look at how racism wasn’t such a widespread or maybe as noticeable problem before then people will come in small groups not like the floods of people we get now at times so we as a country had time to get used to and intermingle with the newcomers and now yes our government looks at them like cash cows and even the people. The people that come over think there is plenty of space jobs and money to go around because that is what they are told before they move so they save up and come over with enough money for a few weeks at best thinking that it would be easy to find a house,job etc etc, some do find it easy but don’t realize their success can put people out onto the street and worse some don’t even care. I do agree that it is a nasty problem in our country and agree with the comment “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” by plumtart2003 but I believe rather than demonizing us kiwis ( who are all really immigrants yes even the Maoris read the history and you’ll find it ) but in looking at the issue in its entirety, Our governments propaganda, the influx of immigrants, the loss of jobs and housing etc because there is not enough to go around, and finally the visible symptom of all of this the racism towards immigrants, while true racism still exists alot of it nowadays is not the same it is due to people being fearful of losing their jobs and houses so to try to stop this they treat immigrants like crap so enough leave that we aren’t struggling to feed and cloth ourselves and our families. I believe that if we cannot cope with the level of population we need to let people leave but temporarily reduce the amount of people coming into the country till we get down to a number we can sustain and increase that number slowly so this problem goes away and racism drops back to what it was or even better lower than what it was. its not personal I think but each and every person who has come over and experienced racism from our people ask yourself this ” how would you feel if your country was doing well life was good and then because of some idiot high up you get a massive amount of immigrants all at once to the point where they are taking your jobs homes and businesses etc etc like what has happened to us how would you react to that ? would you do any better ? or would you do worse ? by no means does this mean what you have experienced is justifiable or excusable but we are a small country and were unable to cope and since our government was just making the problem worse and still is, some people came up with this as a solution ( it didnt work too well either but there are all ways stubborn people still clinging to old ways as with every country and culture ) I would like to change the quote “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” into ” Pretty Land, Retard In Charge Making Toxic People”

      • verbally abused asian
        April 5, 2013 at 8:01 pm

        So you take it out on students as well?

      • Anonymous
        April 24, 2014 at 5:06 pm

        I am a young American women and have been obsessed with New Zealand for the past 13 years, I have never been but I am currently trying to persuade my husband to relocate our family there. I am a born and raised Southern California girl and went to high school 10 minutes away from the Mexican border. My school was always preaching tolerance of other cultures and always taught how racist whites were. Signs in all our stores were in Spanish, people in the stores would speak to you in Spanish first and kids who could barely speak two words of English after four years of high school would receive a diploma. Now mind you my three best friends through high school were Mexican heritage and I don’t have a racist bone in my body, but these people were rude and obnoxious. They don’t try to come into the country to fit in, they try to take over by numbers. I know how you feel to be overrun and mistreated but then in turn called a racist. Not all immigrants are that way that is true, but when you come over to a country and try to make those citizens celebrate your holiday of independence and wave your flags around and not learn the language you’re just a lazy jerk. Meanwhile they have their hands out to our government wanting money or food stamps. I always tell people who don’t deal with the problem they don’t know what they’re talking about when they say we’re racist here. Anyways, sorry to go off on a tangent about American problems on a New Zealand site! Lol. I’m not like one of those entitled Americans that think everything is about us. I love New Zealand and am just amazed to hear someone so eloquently state what I have felt for so many years.

        • April 24, 2014 at 6:35 pm

          How can you love a country you’ve never been to?

          Your comment reeks of racism, them and us. You should settle in well in New Zealand.

  3. shonia
    May 20, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    NO NEWZEALANDS NOT BEING RACIST..ALL THIS INCIDENTS GOR NOTHING TO DO WITH RACIST

    • mis-treated
      August 19, 2010 at 9:33 pm

      i think ur mad

    • Josh
      March 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm

      Excuse me, before you start telling us foreigners that New Zealand’s people aren’t racist please learn how to spell words and use correct grammar, mind you that your people invented the English language.

    • Maioha Kelsey Tawa
      February 25, 2014 at 12:52 pm

      Don’t embarrass yourself darling.
      New Zealand is a racist country
      and I AM the New Zealander…

      • Tim
        May 20, 2014 at 8:29 am

        :-) I’m a kiwi lad, from Foxton, of English decent. Speak well with a slight accent as I grew up with parents with accents. I even today at 53 years old I get called a whingeing/f**king Pom/Pomme. Attended Foxton Coley Street Primary school from age of 5, attended NZ schools, sat NZ exams, Hold NZ qualification, worked in and run business in NZ since leaving full time education.
        Ive always just ignored it, but the more I hear the word Pomme, and it being used, and then hear from others who are more visibly of another culture and were born and raised here the more I’m coming to the conclusion that NZers just can’t help themselves. They are nation of institutional racists. They like many countries are suffering from the GFC and have governments who do nothing to discourage and indeed actively encourage anti difference mentality.
        We are at the end of the day a nation of sheep and behave not unlike them. Ive meet recently people who consider themselves to be educated and intelligent whole world people who have repeated some of the common held beliefs of the institution racists.

  4. emigratetonewzealand
    May 20, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    If all this isn’t racist what is it ?

    • william twiss
      August 28, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      I’m a kiwi and very proud to be one. only blight on our amazing country is I have to work with indians

      • August 29, 2014 at 10:13 am

        You don’t consider yourself and your racist attitudes to be a blight on your “amazing country”? That’s surprising.

        • Anonymous
          September 3, 2014 at 3:34 pm

          no I consider you probably have rooted your own country and have the best intentions on starting new in a new environment… but foreigners have to understand that when you come here to settle, you must do things our way. that includes manners, atleast trying to learn our language and fit in to our culture which unfortunately is being watered down by the day. who ever said “too many too fast”.. hit the spot. I love my country and am absolutely willing to live with people from all nations, but I don’t think it is too much to ask for people to meet us half way! admin?

          • Get Me Outta Here!!
            September 3, 2014 at 5:18 pm

            @anonymous:

            “must do things our way. that includes manners,”

            Hmm, I don’t think you kiwis would really like that one little bit, if foreigners actually displayed “manners” like yours. As many people here have observed, kiwis are the the most neurotic, petty, and impulsively violent people on the planet. Traits that would constitute a personality disorder to people from other countries mean jobs and a fast track to popularity and wealth here in little old kiwiland.

            PLEASE: All foreigners, please keep your gracious manners. Don’t become like kiwis!

          • P Ray
            September 3, 2014 at 6:53 pm

            but foreigners have to understand that when you come here to settle, you must do things our way. that includes manners, atleast trying to learn our language and fit in to our culture which unfortunately is being watered down by the day.
            They only need to “do things your way” when it comes to the law.
            As for language, please. Your country considers their grasp of English sufficient OTHERWISE they wouldn’t have been approved for the move. Take that up with your government.

            I am reminded of what Friedrich Thiemann said
            “When I hear the word culture …, I release the safety on my Browning!” (yes, I know the irony).

            “Culture” is used by some as a way to exclude people without justification, even(especially?) when they tick all the boxes(I know I’ve come away with that feeling in NZ).
            Do you feel it encourages people to come together and work towards a productive goal?
            In short, “culture” in that manner is probably what encourages racism or poor treatment of others.

            “I love my country and am absolutely willing to live with people from all nations, but I don’t think it is too much to ask for people to meet us half way!”
            When the “half way” is amusingly undefined, it means you pick and choose at whim and not from fixed criteria. That could be a way to unfairly discriminate – no written rules = anything goes.

            • Anonymous
              September 4, 2014 at 12:59 pm

              not a thing about what I said is unreasonable. if we go down your path and become too accommodating, little old nz will end up as a seccond, please come again England, and we all know how thats going… give an inch and take a mile with indians im afraid.let me define ” meet us half way for you” seen as your obviously not capable of being reasonable. in my words we move and you move to come to a happy outcome for both parties. when you grow up you’ll understand what I mean

              • P Ray
                September 4, 2014 at 6:26 pm

                In my words we move and you move to come to a happy outcome for both parties
                Of course, you decide what’s the happy outcome, amirite?
                e.g. Qualified foreigners driving taxi cabs or working at fast food restaurants, EVEN THE ONES BEGINNING AND COMPLETING THEIR (SKILLS-SHORTAGE) STUDIES IN NZ.
                Lots of words for someone who doesn’t set government policy. Don’t worry, immigrants have their own way of getting justice, if that means warning others, so be it.
                Printing money tends to be the fun way down for many countries.
                It will be interesting to see what happens come 10 September 2014.
                That’s just one week away,
                “If your 18 don’t fergit ta vot!” :)

  5. eric
    May 21, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Yes i agree they are very racist having lived there 10 years and experienced it first hand, generally kiwis are underachievers when you start being successful there all the shit comes out, easy for you pommes you get 3 dollars to our one, and the list goes on, decided to move on now life so much easier. The biggest racist ones are 90% of the chocholate people who seem to think the white kiwis owe them a living.

    • August 1, 2012 at 7:19 pm

      I believe it’s easier for the British to settle in New Zealand because a large number of Irsh and Scottish settlers share not only the same language, but the same cultural heritage with you, and this is very important!

      I have noticed some kiwis may welcome you here and as you know there’s a lot of pan-UK pubs, cafe and contracting businesses around. New Zealand is largely an Anglo-Saxon country and there is no cultural or political clash or prejudice against UK incomers.

      It may be a bit difficult for an Englishman though, but I cannot comment on your internal ethnic relations in the UK.

      However, imagine what it is like for the rest of us who come from whereever – China, Russia or Brazil!

      Shall we all ignore this and pretend it’s all fine just because there is no political will in the New Zealand establishment to address this, as this “may put into question” or “even harm” the International Reputation of New Zealand as a Commonwealth Country and wreck it’s multi-million tourism and immigration industry?

      Shall we all listen to “go FK off home” and subject to this “Stay in New Zealand, don’t go to Oz” brainwashing? Because this is what it is!

      Imagine this going on in the European Community? Despite Europe has always been like that in a way, every indigenous European ethnicity has a home in Europe.

      I just want to know, if it matters for kiwis what’s you blood and heritage and if they don’t like our looks or smell, then where the heck is our home in New Zealand? Who is going to compensate for all this misery?

    • steven
      August 6, 2012 at 1:38 am

      You Mr Eric seem to be a racist person yourself and an ignorant one we are not generally underachievers at all that is stereotyping and I am personally offended by your comment and how dare you call the islander/maori people chocolate people THAT IS RACISM pure and simple, and to put numbers like 90% out there is ridiculous you appear to be just putting your 2 cents mixed with bul**** in to add fuel to the fire and making it worse and ten years paalease anyone who has spent at least a year in our country would see your lies and also to those who dont know pommes is a racist term used instead of calling people from England British or English, Thank you “emigratetonewzealand” for pointing this out and showing that the racism goes both ways, I myself of have been called a lazy round eyed **** by a chinese man just because I was looking at some PS3 games, maybe the guy had a bad day or something I dunno, I felt it was undeserving of me to recieve such a comment but the funny thing was I dont and have never owned a PS3 i was just looking lol

      • E2NZ
        August 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm

        It does indeed go both ways. A point of order Steven. European migrants to New Zealand would prefer not to be called “Pakeha” and consider that to be a racist term too.

        Steven it is preferable not to refer to anyone by their skin colour but to use the inclusive term New Zealander.

        There real meaning of the word Paheka is controversial in that it may have a derogatory meaning, despite recent PC attempts to mainstream its usage.

        There are 4 possible origins:

        pakepakeha: imaginary beings resembling men.
        pakehakeha: one of the sea gods.
        keha: a flea.
        poaka: a pig.

        • anita
          March 26, 2014 at 11:08 pm

          I believe pakeha is a term that refers to non-Maori. It came about mid to late 1800s during the ‘great migration’ when huge numbers of British people migrated to New Zealand. Don’t be offended… it is just a term that Maori had used to describe non-Maori, typically referring to British settlers and the generations that followed.I don’t see the term as being racist, as it was just used as a cultural/race identifier, and it still is used in that way. As the term ‘Maori’ is a general term used to describe a group of people, so is the term ‘Pakeha’. New Zealand has three official languages 1/ English 2/ Te Reo Maori 3/ Sign language

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:46 am

            Many immigrants are offended at being called Pakeha. They emigrated to New Zealand to become New Zealanders, not to be defined by the colour of their skin. Please remember that many of us come from progressive countries where racial discrimination based on skin colour is not just repugnant, but also illegal.

            • July 26, 2014 at 1:00 pm

              Being of Maori AND Pakeha decent, I have to say admin, you are definitely wrong in your assumptions as to what the term “Pakeha” denotes. Yes there are differing views on its connotations (which is what I think you’re referring to when exploring its origin and therefrom meaning), however plain and simple a “Pakeha” is a person of non-Maori decent, meaning every Maori also has at least one Pakeha line in their lineage. I have several lines, and my family and extended family (all of Maori decent) will proudly name the term “Pakeha” as a part of who they are (if required to give a breakdown of blood quantum rubbish). How could my family and my Maori people possibly be racist to their own blood and bodies? That’s the stupidest concept I’ve ever heard of. “Pakeha” is a term NZ govt has decided to use to label NZer’s of predominantly European decent, but that doesn’t make it the be all and end all definition of what legally constitutes a “Pakeha”. For when did I ever stop being of Maori, Samoan, British, Scottish and French decent? No one is obliged to identify with the term “Pakeha”, but then again no one should be disdained for accepting it as their identity either. And certainly don’t assume it’s a racist label – obviously it’s not. Also, just for the record for those reading this that might actually believe this rubbish – can people please stop generalizing all Maori? We are not all bludgers, racist, land-grabbing, whatever-you-call-us no-hopers. In fact if you believe any of those terms are thoroughly true, you are truly ignorant and need to become more informed on the country you are all discussing. Also, for the record, there’s a massive amount of propaganda going around saying Maori hate people of Asian descent – absolute BS. There are many NZer’s, (do I have to educate people on the many Chinese families who have been here since the 1860′s) that have been here much longer than many European immigrants to NZ. I bet there’s people out there that can identify with the question “how long have you been here?” or “when did you come to NZ?”, and funnily enough you’ve been here for 20 years, or 6 or 7 generations – much longer than the people sometimes asking you the question. I’m not of Asian descent, but having Maori/Polynesian blood has resulted in me feeling like an outsider in my own country as well – many a time. This feeling has resulted in that I never assume any person that doesn’t look like the dominant culture just hopped off a flight yesterday, nor do I treat any person in NZ like an outsider. There’s recently been more coverage on the (un)justice system (as you all like to call it) regarding racial profiling. These are things people that look different to the dominant culture encounter every day in NZ. How is living as a supposed predisposition welfare-bludging, racist-people-hating, illiterate thief in anyway reflective of being privileged? And for the record, I have never known a Maori (and I have a lot of Maori friends and family, you’d expect) to have ever received free tertiary study (between my husband and I we have a student loan sum none of you would like to carry), we have never received free GP visits (we get the over-priced $45 fee just like any other NZer) and we don’t just “get given land”. We as a people have lost land – yes through disgraceful sales, but predominantly through the Native Lands Act 1862, in ways which would shock many of you. Other ways were just out right blatant thievery – for instance my uncle who fought in the Maori Battalion for the Queen of England. He left the Bay of Plenty, fought for Her Royal Highness, and then returned to find his whole farm, all of his land, his home, they had been stolen by the government and gifted to another soldier (do I need to tell you what ethnicity he was?). Yes my uncle went and fought for the Queen, only to return to have all he owned given to someone who fought alongside him, but was not of Maori decent. There are so many injustices like these, mainstream media and decades-old academia is what informs much of the propaganda that informs many of the widespread beliefs held today. Anyway, Maori don’t usually jump on the internet and share their opinions in person – we usually just get mainstream media to tell the story through their manipulative perception, so I thought I’d jump on board for once and share a true Maori opinion for once.

          • July 27, 2014 at 2:37 pm

            I wonder what is used more? Sign or Te Reo?

      • Anthony
        September 25, 2012 at 4:51 pm

        Steven, if your writing is an example of the the standard of young people’s English in NZ, then it’s no wonder NZ has problems. In case you don’t know what the heck I’m talking about, I’m referring to your inability to use a simple form of punctuation known as a “full stop”, which makes reading a whole lot nicer for people, not to mention it shows that you have consideration for your readers.

        • Rachel
          January 3, 2013 at 1:58 pm

          I’m a 20 year old white (can’t be bothered beating around the bush, I’m not racist, just down-to-earth) New Zealander girl lived here all my life, and I would like to say:

          Lol, trust me, that’s good English in our country. Being admittedly rather intelligent and nit-picky myself, I suffer from stress induced by seeing appalling use of English around me on the Internet, courtesy of my fellow New Zealanders. But yes, that was sadly one of the better written passages you could expect from a New Zealander, the strength being only in that he could at least spell each word in full. Though maybe he was on an iPhone or something with autocorrect. And I suspect he was using run-on sentence because he was furious while typing and trying to get it all out. Oh well…

      • billie
        September 26, 2012 at 5:52 pm

        but can’t deny some of the nzer are really racist… i was prepping to go study in nz and was lately told that nz is becoming increasingly racist towards aisans

  6. P Ray
    August 20, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Completely agree with eric. They’re always banging on about how unjust their situation is, AND keep telling foreigners (especially foreign students) that they have to do MORE to support the locals (isn’t paying 5x the fees, having to deal with language/culture difficulty AND the weather enough)?

  7. P Ray
    August 21, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    I would actually add to what eric says “The biggest racist ones are 90% of the chocholate people who seem to think the white kiwis owe them a living.” by saying that in times of hardship, there will be a large number of conmen coming from the section of society that considers itself “oppressed”.
    It’s very necessary to scrutinise such peoples’ academic achievements by ASKING TO SEE their degrees, and verifying with the institution granting that certificate, that they were actually students there.
    The “ethnic sensitivity towards natives” gets carried to ridiculous extremes when they are not asked to present credentials and qualifications that they demand of others.

  8. Rangi
    October 11, 2010 at 1:07 am

    White people of Anglo Saxon decent are no different from most of their counterparts in Canada, Australia and the US. They always think they owned the world, they invaded these countries (they called they “discovered” them), never bother to embrace the local culture (English is the first language and culture), treating all non whites like shits. Unfortunately for the aborigines in Australia, the Maori in NZ and the Indians in Cananda and the US, they were too weak to defend their land, and their population is too small to have any political influence. These whites refer themselves as Australian, Canandian, Kiwis and Americans, the rest are labelled based on their ethnicity. Fortunately for the Chinese in China, Indian in India, Malaysian in Malaysia etc they kicked out the British and retained the control of their own country and their culture. These countries are developing very quickly because they are no longer being ripped off by these whites who used to ruled their countries.

    • mat
      October 28, 2010 at 11:38 am

      Now thats racist..

      • August 20, 2012 at 7:54 am

        Not racist just a historical fact

      • Chris
        April 22, 2013 at 6:22 pm

        That’s nothing racist, every statement that Rangi made can be backed up by historical facts. It’s just so obvious. However I can understand people can be blinded and defend due to their shared lineage.

        • February 1, 2014 at 1:01 am

          Well, we’ve been waiting for one of you to provide the evidence to back up these’ historical facts’.

          Its been almost a year now and nothing has been forthcoming, therefore we must conclude that Rangi’s comment was nothing more than a racist rant.

    • jono
      January 31, 2014 at 11:19 pm

      Okay Rangi, you may not know this, but the British maintained control over a specific area of what was formerly China, called Hong Kong. They did not ‘own’ the whole of f**king China. They controlled this area as a result of the settlement between the Chinese warlords and the British Empire, which originally stemmed as a result of the Opium war, Boxer Revolution, etc. They agreed upon a settlement of British ownership for 99 years. The handover back to China was in 1997. And in fact a recent survey (my apologies for not being able to re-source the link) showed that almost 80% of native Hong Kongers would prefer that Hong Kong remained under British Control. Educate yourself.

    • matt
      February 9, 2014 at 10:51 pm

      lucky yous got cook ae mate….. tasman would of killed yous all.

    • J
      August 8, 2014 at 11:59 pm

      Saying the white people from Anglo Saxon origin is racist. Racism is prejudge opinion or another’s culture and ethnicity. You sir hold a opinion based on a certain race and are in fact a racist yourself.

  9. P Ray
    October 29, 2010 at 12:12 am

    Rangi: just wanted to point out to you:
    There is no ethnicity called Malaysian.
    And I’d say that a fair amount of the Maoris in New Zealand don’t like Asians, e.g. Bailey Kurariki….

    • Moonlight
      November 22, 2010 at 8:56 pm

      You’re right, I recently came back from a trip to Northland with some other Asian friends, and we were verbally abused by a group of Maoris, I can’t understand why the hatred, they lost their land to the Pakeha, not Asians.

      • P Ray
        November 23, 2010 at 1:45 am

        Racism is something learned. I heard from someone native to New Zealand that their mothers taught them that Asians were not to be trusted.

        As what Steve Baron learned from Hone Harawira. Steve asked the question: “Given the injustices past governments have imposed on minorities like Maori, Chinese, homosexual (he became very agressive and cut me off here), would you and or the Maori party support the introduction of binding referendums as a check and balance on governments.”
        Mr Harawira used obscene language like the “f” word and statements like “my big black ass”. “He’s just a rude … thug,” Mr Baron said.

      • erin
        August 21, 2012 at 8:41 am

        I think they believe that the latest arrivals – whatever their colour or creed – are just the newest in a long line of people “taking sh** from them”. You cannot disabuse them of this suspicion.

    • Joe Trinder
      November 23, 2012 at 8:49 am

      The Bailey Kurariki murder was predermined before Michael Choy entered the property –a Somalian could have walked onto that property and would have been killed. That’s like me say David Grey Murdered Rewa Holden all Pakeha Hate Maori. Generalisations about 750,000 people is racism.

    • Maioha Kelsey Tawa
      February 25, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      Hay don’t judge me I’m Maori and I don’t hate Asians.

  10. ricardo
    November 20, 2010 at 10:41 am

    NZ job market is quite racist…I might have applied for at least 50 vacancies,but not even an interview call for me,even though i have excellent work experience.
    My friend who migrated to US recently got a job within a week.My friends here informed me that jobs are first given to kiwis.Thats pathetic.This country is going to the dogs…best of luck with ur brothels,sex shops and a pizza co called “hell”…sucks

  11. Penelope
    May 15, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    In reply to all of you, I am a new zealand born half Maori half european woman. Yes, there is a lot of racism here, but its not the to extreme where we have hate crimes, people being murdered. Even though we have a few narrow minded people living here, our laws are created in the way that if even the slightest threat of a hate crime was to take place, it would be dealt to swiftly and accordingly. New Zealand is a m,uch more peaceful place than a lot of you think. We have our problems like any other country, but i can tell you this. We are one of the most diverse countries in the world our prime minister welcomes new immigrants and they have as much right here as I do. At least we don’t have problems like the USA, middle east, China, and all other countries, We are good people, and if you have the right qualifications then you will get a job here, our top jobs are all given to immigrants. Most of our doctors are indian, asian, somalian and english. Pull your heads in, we aren’t as bad as you all make us out to be. And there is this thinking called ignoring. We are that laid back that if people are racist, we stamp them out by ignoring them.

    • P Ray
      June 9, 2011 at 9:45 am

      I wonder if you think this is a hate crime, Penelope?

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5120180/Student-bashed-and-robbed-in-safer-city

      “”I’m walking when suddenly a car came from behind and three guys and two girls jumped out.

      “One guy ran and kneed me me in the (lower) back and I fell front-on on the grass. Then they start yelling at me ‘you Indian mother-f****er, what are you doing here, go back to your own country, this is our country’.”

      Karamvir said the group, all described as Maori in a blue Honda, continued to punch and kick him as he curled up in a ball to protect his head, before robbing him of $400 he had borrowed from a friend. His attackers also took his cellphone.”

      Oh yeah, I had a similar experience in NZ, myself. I identified the people concerned when I managed to flag down a police cruiser. The police LET THEM GO.

      • E2NZ
        June 9, 2011 at 11:30 am

        Note there is no mention of the police in this news report, perhaps Karamvir had the same response as you did. He decided to go to the press with his story in an effort to warn others that Hamilton isn’t as safe as it should be for Indian people.

        • P Ray
          March 14, 2013 at 12:40 am

          Here’s another one

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10871020

          Indian tourist cornered, hit with hammer
          By Greymouth Star staff
          2:19 PM Wednesday Mar 13, 2013
          “Greene then ran to the van, wrenched open the door and started punching the driver about the head. When the tourist asked, “What have I done wrong?” Greene said: “You nearly f…ing killed us”.

          As Greene continued his attack, Isabeth struck the victim once with the hammer, leaving puncture wounds on his right hand, left forearm and right inner thigh with one strike.

          Greene then delivered more punches, wrenched the keys from the ignition and threw them up the road before driving off.

          The victim told police that the hammer used in the attack was covered in white powder.

          When police located Greene’s van the hammer, covered in white powder but with fresh blood on the head, was inside it.”

          It seems jail time is only a possibility … when blood has been spilt. Racially motivated criminal intimidation or harassment? No blood, no foul.

    • Sean
      December 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm

      Sorry, Penelope, but you’ve got your head in the sand. I’m a Kiwi who spends time in Asia, Europe, Australia and NZ, and I’m shocked by the level of intolerance, bigotry and profound ignorance I encounter in NZ. I find myself apologising for the likes of Paul Henry to Indian friends from New Delhi who queried me after seeing his “dikshit” comments on Youtube. We’re smallminded and until we can accept constructive criticism, we’ll continue to decline. I also find NZers lazy and dishonest, so I changed my mind about coming back here. Oddly enough, Kiwis overseas have a good name, mainly because they’re often the hard-working ones with a bit of ambition who decided to better themselves and explore the world. The others just stayed at home to bitch about immigrants. NZers are the white trash of the Pacific.

      • Dee
        April 1, 2012 at 10:11 am

        thank you sean for being so culturally aware and open minded. i wish everyone was like you.

      • aimawinner
        June 16, 2012 at 4:05 pm

        wow sean. this is really enlightening. really. me an my family are planning to move from the philippines and we have greatly considered NZ due to the fact that a lot of hype on easy migration and “quality life” has been generated by their government. but with what you said, i am reconsidering our options. i certainly would not want to submit my 2 daughters to such experience. do you mean that all of nz is really full of racism? even the country side?

    • JFK
      April 22, 2013 at 5:13 pm

      lol you’ve obviously never ventured outside of nz huh you small town little bogan

    • Mistar singh
      September 8, 2013 at 9:42 am

      Agreed to what penelope just said.

      I am indian born came here when I was 12 years old and now I am nearly 29 I have never faced any racism that much. Some of the guys in school called me curry muncher but whats in that to be offended about? I am a curry muncher and munch on it everyday ;) i am vegetaria so lives on curries. They made jokes on their kiwi mates aswell. Maybe sometime you come along to narrow mined people who never stepped out of their house and they do not know any thing about the outter world. I own a business for last 6 years now and I get 1 or 2 abusives and racist customers (they might not even be racist sometime they just brag about prices) and I get 97% good customers so why would I even think about the bad experience I have had with bad people? If you look at America and UK there is racism between their own people (black and white) so let alone the other races. Even in NZ I get lot of maoris who comment on white nzlander and white people comment on maoris so that is everywhere. Every single country got racism and there are racist people in every country. I have had to made few police complaints last year and it was dealt on time and I was treated not like an immigrant but like a nzealander. I am quite shocked to how many people are calling nz’lders a racist. May be 5 in 100 are racist but we that doesn’t mean mean nz is a racist country. No matter but Nz is still a best country in the whole world. It is really worst in another countries. If you think you are being a targeted just ignore those idiots. Some dogs just bark for no reason. I do not think immigrants are taking over jobs and businesses its all about experience and money. I have lots of Maoris and White friends and they do not want to work they just want to live on welfare so this is not immigrants faults. you get a job if you apply for it. employees always need someone so their hard work and business doesnt go in vein so thwy hire whoever apply for a job. If you have a good experience you will surely get a job. Most of the migrants are not lazy and as most most of us are in nz. They work hard to get a better job all time .
      Tc guys

      • E2NZ
        September 8, 2013 at 9:59 am

        You have no other countries to compare it to. You have grown up with racism in New Zealand and see it all around you but have developed a way of coping with it.

        Have you ever wondered how your life may’ve turned out if you hadn’t experienced racism and whether it has held you back from reaching your full potential in New Zealand? Would you ever consider moving elsewhere to find out what you’re capable of achieving?

        • Frances
          May 14, 2014 at 6:55 pm

          I have lived and visited many countries, both Western and Asian, and I can tell you that there is racism in every nation!

          • May 15, 2014 at 9:55 am

            That may be true, but what matters is how it’s confronted and challenged. Did you know that New Zealand was the only country to play rugby with South Africa during the apartheid era? that it collects no data on racially motivated crimes, and that it’s not uncommon for Kiwi politicians and broadcasters to make racist remarks in public fora?

            Please read This is Everyday Racism.

  12. E2NZ
    May 17, 2011 at 4:58 am

    Penelope :

    Yes, there is a lot of racism here, but its not the to extreme where we have hate crimes, people being murdered.

    This extreme does exists in New Zealand, but perhaps you’ve chosen to ‘ignore’ this inconvenient truth? Have you forgotten about Korean man Jae Hyeon Kim who was decapitated by a white supremacist?

    Did you know that the police do not collect statistics on racially motivated crimes in New Zealand? We have written about many, many accounts of racist attacks on this blog so we know they exist, not everyone is trying to “stamp out” this problem by ignoring it.

  13. jana
    June 8, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    i LIVED IN nz FOR 2 YEARS AND IN 2 Years eat least once a week they called me prostitute or say to go back home because Im from a South american country, I speak english since I was born my accent is American and it´s easy to see that I am NOT one of them like they used to say.
    beautiful land stupid people the assault me and my husband in chch because we were from overseas and you know what we called the cops and THE COP said to us to go home THATS NZ!

    • elena
      August 11, 2011 at 10:50 am

      Oh dear. Good thing I did not go with my partner over there. Im asian myself but my partner is British. Racism is clearly a display of ignorance and ignorance alone.

      A developed country huh?!

      • jana
        August 11, 2011 at 3:36 pm

        Good on you, I never ever ever saw or heard about racism in Brazil against Asians…I know that people take a second look when people from Favelas-Slums_ are coming…but in NZ God I saw so many people talking about Asians and Latins; One man Said- Talking about latins: though that you were funny people, talking different with weird clothes;and I wont tell about other groupes I think its unnecessary…

      • August 2, 2012 at 12:12 am

        No, no, Elena, New Zealand is a part of a greater Anglo-Saxon ring of countries, such as USA, Canada, Britain and Australia, and her counterparts will most likely turn a blind eye on the human rights abuse (although I have a better opinion of England, than the others so far) both in their lands and in New Zealand, but they will yeall at all other countries on Earth for “abusing human rights”, “sponsoring terrorism” and will wage wars in other parts of the world to overturn local governments and spread chaos and poverty.

        We are quite sick of them in Europe already, because they believe our countries and our destinies belong to them, not to us, because they believe they can architect our political systems and manage our economy to their liking (usually to make us shit poor)!

        But about all the stuff that happens locally – Police here don’t care, neither cares the government. They will sell drugs (marijuana) next to a Police station and local residents will make funny jokes out of it.

        While they certainly have the right to retain their Anglo-Saxon identity and their own high standard of life (or whatever standard they want to live to), some of them also believe they have the right to prevail over other ethnicities and dominate the rest of the world, and Maoris are picking this up from them.

        This is why we have a lot of gangs, absolutely normally and openly operating, quite often they don’t even look like gangs. Same applies to Neo-Nazi organisations, and YES – WE HAVE THEM TOO!

        They live decent lives (or the lives they choose to live) and it’s their choice whether they want to work or not, but for all foreign doctors, engineers, scientists – if you are not a kiwi, or if you are not an Anglo-Saxon (because they turn to like anglo-saxon a little more than the rest of us) – it is their kiwi choice whether you will work here or not.

        They will lie about you, blacken you (meaning tell a whole lot of crap about you to the employer and probably the government), kick you out of jobs collectively (complain collectively, call you paranoid, schitzophrenic, mentally ill) – THEY SIMPLY WON’T LET YOU WORK HERE!

        Believe me, to my years long experience, and I am an NZ citizen – in New Zealand it is probably 10 times difficult to receive government registration to be able practice your profession (because otherwise you cannot work as a doctor, engineer, electrician, builder, etc), than in Australia, this is why everyone migrates to Australia.

        It’s a gang inspired country and when we raise our voice – it’s most likely they will tell you that we are trying to cause “malicious damage” to the perfect media created image New Zealand known to the rest of the world, because they NEED YOU to come here and spend all your money.

        I mean I am naturalised here, but I am still a foreigner to them and called a crazy Albanian, crazy Mongolian, and so forth (I am a northern European by the while) how do you like this bullshyte?

        Most of them are alcoholics and druggies, but for us to be “tolerant” and “socially accepted in New Zealand” we need to really like them to be able to work with them. Some of them would even call it a “problem” if you don’t drink or smoke, or take drugs.

        NZ Government is quite tolerant and democratic, but it has little control, or lacks political will to change whatever happens here.

  14. Moonlight
    September 27, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    More proof of the racism in NZ:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10754578

    unfortunately for NZ, they did it to a RWC visitor, a journalist from South Africa, and I’m sure this journalist will spread the word.

    • E2NZ
      September 27, 2011 at 7:15 pm

      You’d hope so, it was no way to treat a guest.

      The word has spread already. Stand by for a NZ PR charm offensive aimed at diffusing the situation, racism is a forbidden word in NZ after the Paul Henry and Hobbit casting call debacles.

      Will Vata Ngobeni be offered a big ‘incentive’ to write positive copy about New Zealand? We’re hoping he holds out and remains true to himself, makes a stand and by doing so helps to prevent the same dishonour being inflicted on another visitor to NZ.

      All our racism related threads are tagged here

    • P Ray
      September 28, 2011 at 7:47 pm

      The chatter on Facebook is that he is a big sook for speaking up after being unjustly accused, and that he is an embarrassment to his profession.
      Of course, no surprises there, this chatter is coming from New Zealanders …

      • P Ray
        September 29, 2011 at 2:01 am

        One comment:
        “The end of his article is the kind of writing I’d expect to see as a 13 year old girls Facebook status after a fight with her parents. What an amateur.”

  15. Moonlight
    October 14, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Kiwis…looking for ANY excuse to show their ugly racist inner self:

    Filipinos appeal against racism over Rena

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10465420/filipinos-appeal-against-racism-over-rena/

    And the worst is the comments, look how those speaking against racism have lots of thumbs down and are hidden (this is also happening with comments against Key and National)

    • P Ray
      October 15, 2011 at 2:02 pm

      Oh well … National is on track to be re-elected, I hope they get it.
      The problems are not only ignored, they are propagated.
      And woe to you if you are not a local and see them, because you will then be “re-educated”.

  16. southland skinhead
    October 31, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    why is it only racism when its directed at the “coloured” races? we call them minorities when whites are only 6% of the worlds population,kinda strange when whites are obviously the minority! try walking round at night time as a white man ur practically guaranteed to get beaten ,robbed or raped by another racial group in certain areas! Unemployment here is skyrocketing with so many jobs being sent overseas and also so many immigrants coming here, i dont wonder why so many are getting fed up. the government wants to kick people off the benefit if they dont find work,great idea but where are these mystical jobs for all? im a white man in invercargill and everywhere i go theres an immigrant or migrant looking down at me, an indian tryed to sexually harrass me some months back guess he never saw romper stomper ahaha sometimes racism has more to do with love for ones own kind and looking for a better future for ones children than irrational hate because of someones skin tone, just a thought based on my experiences. chin up n.z we arent as bad as the media makes out. oi oi southland skinhead!

    • E2NZ
      October 31, 2011 at 3:58 pm

      urgh…Mr SS are there more like you in Invercargill? That may go some way towards explaining the bad reputation the town has earned itself.

      http://emigratetonewzealand.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/indian-students-subjected-to-racial-abuse-in-new-zealand/

      (And please don’t rep your own comment before it’s published, that’s plain daft)

    • Moonlight
      November 1, 2011 at 6:04 pm

      the NZ elite (read upper class pakeha) are only to blame
      who do you think brought lots of people from the islands to be used as cheap labour and then marginalised? who is encouraging asian immigrants to come to NZ only to take their money? who is outsourcing jobs to China and India, where they can exploit the workers and make obscene profits?
      ………
      that’s right, why don’t you blame the likes of JK instead?

      • Jess
        October 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm

        Instead cost are important to the company for a businessman cheap labour is not an issue. If your are owner you also want cheap labour but job deliver are 100% perfect and fast.
        Anyway whole world in business are going for ppm cost and if you work in electronic mnc manufacturing before like sony/Epson/hitachi/samsung/Texas/stat chippac/intel/Amd or 3m & etc… they are always looking for cost down on your product in every quarter than you will know why the company need cheap labour.
        I been a customer service to handle all this kind of big mnc they want deliver fast and cost effective as per their product technical spec. That is why my boss hire Nepal come to our country to train them run machine even Chinese from china.
        Well communication is hard but when time fly everyone are work as team and understand more even they can pick up your country language.
        Well when thing is change everyone need to adapt the change, if you hv studies management course you will know what I’m telling as the course cover time management change and changes involve culture/environment and etccc…..

  17. readers from the middle of the ocean
    November 6, 2011 at 6:23 am

    i would never buy any products from NEW Zealand. even food (Provision) for my Vessels. i would encourage to buy from other country.

  18. Mistake.
    November 9, 2011 at 12:21 am

    WOW
    Speechless, I am happy I did not invest my hard acquired cash in this country. Pfffft I am even withdrawing my investment visa. The world is big i don’t need this dump.

    • Moonlight
      November 11, 2011 at 5:39 pm

      the best decision you could ever make!!!

  19. Jabber
    December 11, 2011 at 3:03 am

    Sorry – American that lived in Auck for 2 years.
    1 – yes there is racism
    2- Its the stupid kind of racism because its done by the stupid white population thats become uneducated, cant compete in the workforce, and wants everything given to them on a fuking silver platter.
    3- Now saying that, there is heaps of reverse racism where they act the exact same. And for whites, they cant even be safe in some areas. And its not being racially paranoid – they are told they dont belong.

    The best lesson that NZ will learn from racism is the market. Dont go there, dont visit, dont send anyone for an education there – tell them to shape up or no one will want to visit or do business with them.

    Also WTF is with kiwis trying to sell shit that is shit, for expensive prices?! Its not genuine, its not organic or genuine enough for me to buy your crap. Knock it off !

  20. Appalled
    December 25, 2011 at 3:15 am

    Firstly, I am Indian and YES there is racism in New Zealand for sure!! I am from South Africa(The country with one of the biggest racism issues) and in all my years there i have never experienced the kind of racism i have here..

    By the way to the people who keep saying we should just bugger of and go back to our own countries or go elsewhere!! may i remind you that your government has put a call out to people over of the world asking for assistance in building up your country!! WHY?? Simple!! Your whole countries population can fit in half of one small city in South Africa… In your own news they have stated clearly that the biggest problem here is that people are unwilling to study and use the benefits afforded to them by the Government!! SO no one is STEALING anything from you!! A job is a job and is given on the merit of someones education and expertise… if you think it is being given to an immigrant because they are brown, black or any other colour then i suggest you take that up with your government and recruitment agencies etc….

    If you didnt have a shortage in this country for skilled labour, i doubt any immigrant would bother giving it a second look.. and as for us all packing up and leaving, well we could all do that gladly but i can assure without of a shadow of a doubt that not one person in this country would be able to save it from the massive sinkhole it would cause in your infrastructure…

    I agree with the writer of the main article…. they want our money and for some reason, our money doesnt have any colour right?!! Just good enough to use to feed them , clothe them and pay for their luxuries…

    I am appalled at people’s behaviour here and cannot believe the ignorance i have read here and seen around me!! Do you people seriously believe that you can live in a country all by yourselves and survive?
    Do you realise who the super powers are in this world??? Well let me fill you in!!

    Its not the UK, not the USA and definitely not one european Country!! NEWSFLASH!! Its China and India…… so i would be careful who you get swords crossed with….

    New Zealand is a drop in the ocean when it comes to population compared to Asian countries… Id be careful who i make my enemy….

    As for the people who think the whole world owes them everything…. if you are on the internet then use it for something useful like reading about the history of your own country and the world around you!! You will find that the oldest inhabitants of New Zealand were in fact the Maori and later on the Indian people…..Complain all you want, it doesnt change the history of this country…

    And i aint going anywhere…..why? Because not one human being on this planet owns a certain part of it specially for himself…. the world belongs to God…. so no other human being can tell me where i can and cannot live and breathe…. (unless people in new zealand crap in an extra special way, breathe extra special air and when they speak, warm honey rushes out) If non of these things apply to you, nothin makes you any better than me….

    and one extra note….. ask yourself this one thing all racists who may be reading this….. What do you go to the beach and tanning salons for?
    TO TAN!!!!
    What colour is TAN (yes TAN is a colour)
    TAN IS BROWN!!! (yes thats right!!)
    and what colour am I? Brown
    … this means you spend most of your free time to be the same colour as i am cause you think its better than your own colour… yet funnily enough you have a problem with me cos i am brown…. LOL biggest joke ever!! (just a point to ponder)

    End of the day we are all human beings… if i see you as a human and not as a colour… why cant you see me the same way? Or, is that just too much to ask from mere mortals..

    • P Ray
      January 24, 2012 at 10:37 pm

      It’s a lot easier to justify being bad to someone else when you don’t see them as human beings.
      Hence why they see you as a colour.
      It also salves the conscience so you don’t feel guilty later.
      After all, if a person feels guilty for being racist, that means that being racist is wrong, but some people have such self-belief that they are never wrong … so they can never be racist, even if others see them act in that way.
      Racism is learned. Through parents, friends and education.

  21. E2NZ
    January 19, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Vadar, thanks for putting yourself forward as an excellent (if rather pompous) example of the deeply ingrained racism and xenophobia that exists in New Zealand.

    For the record, Auckland has been altering its ethnic makeup since the first Maori settlers in the 14 century. You already know where Auckland airport is, care to buy a ticket “home” and return the land to its original inhabitants?

    • August 2, 2012 at 7:36 pm

      Not “RETURN”, New Zealand is no communist yet, but “SELL”, back to you and at the INTERGALACTIC prices paid for it originally, plus 100% to compensate for the life losses.

      That’s what I would do, but I wasn’t stupid enough to buy a chunk of dry rocky land and an old wood-rotten dacha here anyway.

      In Europe this type of housing cost 5.000 – 10.000 USD and we call them either slums or summer houses (depending on their condition), they aren’t suitable for all-year round living, and they don’t cost 500.000 NZD.

      Feel the diference!

      By the way, the fact that a wooden box on a piece of land costs here half a million now INDICATES the depth of crisis in New Zealand – NZ has got nothing else, but real estate SPECULATION, to gain revenues from, no trade, no boost in exports, practical economic isolation on the world scale (because we even rarely hear about NZ over in other parts of the world, and guess why!) and now the treatment of ethnic minorities will add to this.

      And believe me this is not to harm New Zealand, but to MAKE IT BETTER, WAY WAY BETTER.

      Every country on earth who wanted to claim the “civilised status” amoung the developped countries, not just because it’s been populated by the anglo-saxon (or any other civilised) population, belonged to an empire or military organisation like NATO, BUT because things are REALLY civilised there, HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS age of open speach and critical thinking about itself, and sooner or later New Zealand will do too.

  22. Moonlight
    January 20, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Go tell that to your con artist government, who is out in the wide world desperately hunting for immigrants!
    Luckily sites like this have come into existence to try to warn people about the true ugly, poor and nasty face of this country. Unfortunately, your taxes keep the PR machine of your government well oiled, to attract more unfortunate souls to this pit. Mermaid chants…

    Of course lots of disappointed immigrants want to leave, but is not easy when they have wasted so much money coming here. In fact, getting in is easier to get out.
    The place just ain’t worth working for, when you get peanuts, mistreatment and well know that you are keeping the very lazies that hate you fed and sheltered!!

    PS: China and India are nation-states with original populations unlike NZ.

    • E2NZ
      May 29, 2013 at 9:54 am

      Moonlight, read today’s Herald report about the OECD Better Life Index and see how it has been presented to the NZ public. Not only is NZ desperate for immigrants, but it’s also desperately trying to keep its own people.

  23. January 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    II believe that Asian immigrants to New Zealand don’t get a fair deal.
    I think that stems from a Government and an elite who shortsightedly view immigration as a quick fix economic solution . We take your money. You prop up the property market and increase consumer demand but sorry no good job or future here. They also insist that NZ wages and salaries remain low relative to costs, especially housing.
    It’s really a recipe for disaster for all concerned New Zealanders included.
    Are New Zealanders racist? No doubt. It’s a very small isolated country with a very small population and some fairly dyed in the wool views . Do we have the right to be racist?
    I don’t know.
    I have lived in Asia for 8 years and have found that I am universally disliked here as a foreigner. Yet foreigners here make up a very small proportion of the total population. I am unable to buy property and have to pay a great deal to remain in the country because getting residency is outright impossible.
    Do Asians have the right to be xenophobic and racist?
    You tell me.

    • Moonlight
      January 22, 2012 at 9:46 am

      You are forgetting a crucial point: the image NZ projects overseas is at complete odds with the reality. NZ pretends to be a friendly country who wants immigrants to come and settle, it pretends to have “shortage of skills” (what a crock!, tell that to the thousands of young kiwis going to Oz) to attract immigrants with money, and invents a series of immigration programs to keep the people coming here (silver fern visa, retirement visa, etc.).
      On the other hand, it is no secret that Asian countries have vast, mostly homogeneous, populations. These countries are NOT looking for immigrants. Their strict rules concerning residency and citizenship are well known. That xenophobia exists is no secret. This information is all out in the world, and China or Korea or any of them is not screaming saying that it wants immigrants to go and settle there. These countries are old nation-states with a culture developed over thousands of years. NZ is a country product of the European taking foreign lands and colonizing them, and now bringing more settlers for money. If you go to Asia, you get what you were sold. If you go to NZ, you get a pig in a poke.
      Apples and oranges, mate!

      • P Ray
        January 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm

        Grover: if you are universally disliked in Asia as a foreigner … how have you been able to find work there?
        In NZ, many immigrants are discovering that not only are they universally disliked(to the extent where being “liked” means they can count on being told the straight truth and not be misled or have something they have a right to completely overlooked or “forgotten”, they cannot find jobs in NZ WITH THE QUALIFICATIONS THEY EARNED WHILE AT NZ INSTITUTIONS.
        “have to pay a great deal to remain in the country because getting residency is outright impossible.”
        Doesn’t make sense, because unless you are a university student, (and even then I doubt you are paying the typical 4.5 – 5x fees of the domestic students), sundries and goods are fixed price for immigrants OR locals. Do you mean you are paying more because you don’t have a job AND have to pay day to day expenses? Most Asian countries don’t have welfare. And many Asians are worked to the bone for little pay … which is why many labour intensive manufacturing processes are located in Asia. The contracts of these processes, many come from the West, through companies supported by private shareholders (who are usually normal folk) who want a return on investment that exceeds normal banking returns, and ignore prevailing economic conditions.
        On the other hand, if you are Caucasian, it is no secret that getting some plum jobs (which ask for little by way of effort, research or qualifications) is easier. English teacher? You may laugh at that … but all it takes is _ANY_ degree … and not even a good grasp of the language is necessary. I have seen people confuse “affective” and “effective”. And teaching English too. It seems that as a citizen of a western country, it is a given that your English is flawless – you do not have to sit for examinations which question your English fluency, or pay for them as extras to complete your degree.
        Whereas even if you’re not Caucasian, coming from a Western country brings a certain cachet as long as the basic norms of the region you are in, are followed.
        “White privilege” is something many Asians are loath to bring up in NZ … and something many NZ-ers refuse to recognise.

      • January 25, 2012 at 4:42 pm

        I admire you. You sound as protective of your culture as I am of mine. Economics be damned.

    • August 2, 2012 at 8:11 pm

      Don’t just concentrate on Asians, every migrat here is unhappy unless they belong to either government, masonic lodge or other life-boosting organisation. I am not just trowing words – I have seen the two sides of it!

  24. Uniculture
    January 23, 2012 at 1:01 am

    I agree with all those comments about Asians being treated as “cash cows’ for the NZ economy. See what happens to our German investor Kim Schmitz or Kim Dotcom. He was rejected by the NZ Immigration due to his previous criminal convictions but upon putting $10 million into the NZ government bonds under the Investor scheme, they let him in. According to the press, no Minister was involved in his approval for residency. This is definitely a joke as such a high profile guy would require more deeper discussions into it. It is a slap on the Immigration Dept and the NZ government for their shallow decision to allow him in for his money. And they only acted when Big Brother from FBI USA gave them pressure…
    I wonder why they still allow him to stay on his $30 million villa while they knew it all along he is doing something illegal…did they not deport poor overstayers immediately and put them on the plane? Why did Kim Schmitz have better treatment than other shady immigrants?? I read also that some Asian investors were turned away as their money was considered illegal….so is Kim’s money legal just because he employs some Kiwis???

    • Asian scarfie
      April 26, 2013 at 11:43 pm

      I just drove pass his rental home in Coatesville, it’s got a big sign that says KIM DOTCOM and the property is up for sale. keen ?? :-)

  25. michelle
    January 23, 2012 at 7:34 am

    It amazes me how blatant people are here in being racist yet everyone else chooses to turn a blind eye and say racism doesnt exist…. when will the NZ government wake up and start taking care of its immigrants and ensuring their safety??

    No point putting out adverts begging immigrants to come over due to skill shortages and needing investors to invest hard earned money here…. no one wants to put in years of experience and earnings when there is a possibility they may lose their lives for the mere fact that they live and breathe and happen to have a colour thats a shade or two darker..

    I would like to remind all close minded people who are not aware of the world around them…. NZ economy runs on the back of immigrants… without us, you would be a country lost and forgotten….its also so hilarious that those that really are racist are generally those that are at home each and every day and surviving only on the dole…. before pointing fingers at us immigrants, why dont you ask your government where your dole is being funded from???

    As for the kiwis that complain we are taking their jobs and there is no work left for them… i suggest you visit http://www.seek.co.nz... have a long hard look at the thousands of jobs available there and the statement at the end of every one clearly stating that they will only employ citizens and those with residence….. so stop using that old worn out excuse… it is so irritating to hear and the dumbest thing ever.. If you dont have the education or skill those jobs require, dont blame us for your laziness..

    And finally, i have read and heard plenty of stories of racism here in NZ and i am appalled that immigrants have gotten killed here and things are so hushed, you would think their life was worth nothing…

    If anything had to happen to a NZ citizen in South Africa or India or other asian countries…the world would immediately hear about it…. the scary part is that this NZ government sweeps it under the carpet as if it were nothing….Its a sad sad state of affairs…the human race gone bad…

    • August 2, 2012 at 8:25 pm

      I agree – if you complain to the Human Rights Commission about the abuse of your rights or mistreatment – they either won’t reply, or if you phone them every day will reply by phone and promise to attend to your complaint – but they won’t. New Zealand government is purposedly trying to ignore all and every human rights complaint made from “foreigners”, and I mean formally we are New Zealanders, we vote and elect some of our rasist politicians.

      I currently have a complaint for mistreatment during the employment interview (a clear schauvinistic array in New Zealand’s Southland), but if it fails with HRC here in New Zealand, I will address the United Nations Commissioner for Human Rights.

    • P Ray
      August 3, 2012 at 6:04 pm

      Complaining against racism is used as a reason not to hire someone. In a small country like NZ where relational aggression is the preferred covert form of violence (if arson, false accusations or slander can’t be employed).
      Which is why most people don’t complain. Also, since many have bought into the idea that since NZ signed those treaties, the population of NZ will abide by it.
      It’s hard for people to let go of an idea they’re invested in, and being invested in the idea that they made the correct choice in being in NZ despite repeated job application setbacks, is something some peoples’ egos cannot handle.
      They then try to fit to a dysfunctional set of circumstances … turning themselves dysfunctional.

  26. bogotaboy
    January 25, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    a lot of people commenting on this are very deluded. ive lived in new zealand for 2 years and im colombian/chinese. nz is the fourth country i hav lived in and it is certainly the least racist. colombia, malaysia and argentina are all much more racist than new zealand.
    of course there is racism everywhere but visitors in nz will find that the vast majority of peopl simply do not care where your’e from. and to say chinese or indians get the most racism is a lie. maori are by far the most frequently abused. stop whining about a small issue. in china, people of ethnic minoritys are constantly abused. in india, the number of different religions face a constant battle with each other. and south africa is not even comparable with new zealand in racism. to say nz has ‘shocking’ racism is just dumb.

    • E2NZ
      January 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      :) bogotaboy, maybe its just your sunny personality that gets you through? glad to hear that you’re enjoying your life free from racism in New Zealand.

      However, there are many who DO suffer the effects of racism in New Zealand and who are certainly NOT deluded. For you to suggest that they are doesn’t do much for your own credibility. It also calls into question your own definition of racism and how tolerant you may’ve become to it.

    • August 2, 2012 at 9:09 pm

      New Zealand has signed a number of International Conventions, including the one that calls for Irradication of all forms of Discrimination and we as New Zealand citizens have to make sure that if our politicians, whom we pay for, proclaim that New Zealand is a “farpost of Human Rights in the World” (so that can influence other countries and say critisize Israel or Iran), THEN it is our duty to make sure that over here (where we live day by day, not just visit and go) Human Rights are up to stratch as they proclaimed they are.

      Sorry, we can’t just judge and measure New Zeaand in relation to India, Latvia, Shri-Lanka, or South Africa. Because we didn’t come here to live the miserable lives as they are over there, but we came here to live the decent lives as we are entitled to irrespective to our ethnicities.

      We can’t just let this country gradually slip to the condition of the most rasist states in the World, by saying “oh it’s not too bad, comparing to”.

      F the human right abuse and F that “to” as well!

  27. E2NZ
    January 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Anyone concerned about encountering racism in New Zealand may wish to read some of our posts on this topic. Here’s the link.

    The first post is about thugs in Christchurch who tried to set dogs on a Japanese student, the next story is about an Indian gentleman who was kicked in the head in an Auckland shopping mall by two school girls. There are many more to read after those.

  28. GUgraduate
    January 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I’m a Filipino,and I was planning to study Phd in New Zealand.Are all these experiences really true?After I read your comments here, I’m thinking twice about pursuing my plans. I finished my master’s degree in Brisbane two years ago, met two minor (tolerable) incidents of racism. I don’t know why, but it seems that the comments I’ve read here so far are scaring me more than what I’ve personally handled in Australia.

    • Moonlight
      January 26, 2012 at 8:38 pm

      One word: DON’T.
      Racism is the same, if not worse, than in Australia and job opportunities are ZERO, especially for people with advanced degrees. The quality of lecturers is appalling, you will have no support whatsoever and will be used as pawn for your supervisors benefit. Many people drop out of their programs because of this, a little secret they keep well hidden.
      Go to Europe or North America, or if not possible, stay in Oz, you will be much better off there!

      • April 15, 2012 at 10:06 pm

        I’m a kiwi living in Australia (Brisbane). My partner who I met overseas is Korean, we moved to (for me back to) New Zealand together, and experienced most of the racist stuff people have talked about here:

        *Being randomly told “go home Asian” on the street
        *Being discriminated against both in job application and interviews – this is by far the worst as it affects your life on a deeply personal level
        *My partner was often passed over in shops by attendants, and treated with disrespect when I wasn’t there
        *being told by acquaintances “If you don’t like it leave”.
        *…

        Well in the end we did leave. Moved to Oz – Brisbane. We both love it, and have not experienced anything like the problems in New Zealand (read essentially nothing in four years). We’ve also lived in Canberra (five years) and LA (two years). No problems in those places either.

        This is a very kiwi problem, unfortunately.

        …and you’ll get a better education in Australia too.

        It’s great over here! So if anyone out there in kiwiland’s not happy – make the move. You won’t regret it.

    • P Ray
      January 26, 2012 at 8:55 pm

      If you’re a girl you’ll probably only have to endure some gropes, along with that line from Full Metal Jacket: “Me sucky-sucky. Me love you too much.”
      If you’re reasonably in the dark about what constitutes racial microaggressions, you’ll probably not even see those instances. e.g. when arriving at a house you’re supposed to rent, it’s “suddenly unavailable” or that job which you were turning up for an interview for, is “suddenly unavailable” or people coming up to you and speaking english R E A L L Y S L O W L Y … or telling you “Your English is so good, where did you learn it?” along with reading on the university library noticeboard “gooks go home” or seeing a diagram outside the toilets telling you not to squat on them.
      I’ve heard way worse happens to Asian guys. Being beaten up by yobs (I got away from one of those incidents). But I’m sure many instances … go unreported. As the people being beaten on “don’t want to be seen as troublemakers or nuisances to the police”

    • E2NZ
      January 29, 2012 at 2:45 pm

      Why not study for your Phd in Brisbane? you already know what you’re dealing with plus your degree is far more likely to have international kudos than one from New Zealand.

      We refer you to the QS University Rankings, no NZ university made it into the top 50 and Auckland’s position fell from 68 to 82. See our Education and Children’s Issues page for further details.

      • Moonlight
        January 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm

        The Shanghai Jiao Tong ranking is more realistic, with Auckland ranked 201-300….juts sayin’

  29. Scott
    January 29, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Anyone fearing moving to NZ based on some fear of racism is sadly misguided. It seems all too easy for people to decree a race as being racist (which in itself demonstrates great prejudice and strong racism) based on little more than what they’re seen on a sensationalised tv report from India or a headline grabbing story locally.

    The facts are that NZ, and even moreso Australia, are very welcoming places that on a global scale are SAFE. You don’t need to worry about getting shot, stabbed, attacked, blown up, run over, robbed, organs stolen :), kept hostage or any of those wonderful things that you DO need to be mindful of in much of Asia, Africa, Europe, South America or indeed some parts of North America.

    Many of those reported “race crimes” are perpetrated by peoples own countrymen, certainly in many of the examples of the “Indian student attacks in Melbourne” that were apparently so bad that the Indian Govt declared a travel warning on their website. 120,000 Indians visiting Australia at that time, 1240 crimes recorder against Indian visitors, 23 of those had a racial tone, half of those were committed by Indians visiting Australia.

    It is all too easy to brand a whole nation on the actions of a very few and it make me laugh that those who perpetuate the Australian/NZ myths seem to be the most racist of all. If not through the troubles in their other homelands, through their hatred of their own countrymen.

    I take no issue with anyone being concerned with racism in where they wish to travel – who wouldn’t check out the likelihood of running into trouble in a foreign country? I do take serious issue with the number of fools that throw around “racism, prejudice, bigot” without due care and certainly without understanding what those words actually mean.

    On the OP’s original statement, yes, you will find racism in NZ. You won’t find us herding up Indians and beating them to death with sticks and rocks as you might see on the Asian continent. You will not see us dragging them from their cars and setting fire to a petrol soaked tyre around their head as you might in Africa. You will not see us kidnapping a busload of you for ransom as you might see in South America, Africa or parts of Asia.

    You might overhear someone use a name that you don’t like – I would like to guess that if you were unlucky enough to hear it that there would be a 90% chance that, whilst derogatory in nature, it was not said with any malice or intention to offend.

    We ask that visitors to our country are respectful of our way of life and do their bit to enjoy it without trying to change it. We live here for a reason you know!

    Anyway, sorry to ramble on. We love our visitors down here. We love to learn about our differences and we love to embrace the good we see in you.

    Enjoy your time down here for the 99% of good you see, not the 1% of bad.

    • E2NZ
      January 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm

      Thanks for the reply Scott, when you say “here” where do you mean exactly? Your IP address places you in Queensland, Australia. What made you leave New Zealand?

      Whilst groups of Indians have not been chased away with sticks in New Zealand there have been random acts of violence against them that are very disturbing. The following two examples were both perpetrated by Kiwis.

      Indian Shoppers Attacked In Auckland Shopping Mall
      An Indian gentleman who was beaten kicked in the head in an Auckland shopping mall in front of his young daughter. His assailants were female pupils from Mount Albert Grammar School.

      The attack came around the time that journalist Paul Henry was making racist comments about India on the state broadcaster. A spokeswoman for TVNZ said “The audience tell us over and over again that one of the things they love about Paul Henry is that he’s prepared to say the things we quietly think but are scared to say out loud.”

      India’s High Commission Disgusted At Racist Attack In Hastings, NZ
      Rakesh Kumar, 71, was subjected to a violent attack whilst hosting a dinner party at his home in Hastings, NZ. A drunken mob invaded his house, assaulted him and hurled racist abuse at him. The May 8 attack began at 8.45pm, when a heavily intoxicated Jason David Macklow, 21, directed racial slurs at the family property on Oliphant Rd, calling them “black c**ts”, and “f**k off Indians“. The incident was serious enough for the Indian High Commission to become involved and attend the hearing for the accused.

      Finally, we direct anyone considering migration to New Zealand and who is concerned about encountering racism to read this blog post from February 2010

      Discrimination Against Asians Still A Key Issue In New Zealand
      Asian New Zealanders and international students continue to experience racial discrimination and harassment, according to a report released by Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres.

      It seems that discrimination has increased over the last year (perhaps this is a result of a ‘kiwis first’ mentality during the recession?) with Asians being the most discriminated against. Overall around 10% of New Zealanders experienced discrimination and it looks like police still don’t collect data on racially motivated crimes, despite recommendations in the United Nations Periodic Review of New Zealand and the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.

      Read on

      • Scott
        January 31, 2012 at 12:10 am

        I don’t doubt there have been attacks on Indians. I also don’t doubt there have been attacks on Chinese, Koreans, Greeks, Australians, New Zealanders, New Zealand Maori or perhaps even Eskimo’s should they visit from time to time.

        What I do query, is whether or not racism is always driver for these things. Clearly in the case of all the issues in Melbourne, the overwhelming majority of crimes against Indians were simply against Indians because they happened to be the unlucky ones at the time – and that would be true of most incidents involving people from other countries.

        It is easy for a group of “eager beavers” to get together in a forum and pat each other on the back claiming every other thing as racism but in reality, the likelihood is what is experience much of the time is simply another lesson from the school of hard knocks.

        I absolutely agree that racism exists – I don’t think it is fair to brand an entire country as being racist though…. atleast not without qualifying it to say “XYZ country is X% more racist than somewhere else”.

        Perhaps pick a country, lets call it Utopia, and grade each other country against it based on the number and severity of racial incidents perpetrated by people who call that country home.

        Now really would give some clarity to the matter.

    • Moonlight
      January 29, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      Scott, you seem to worry a lot about losing revenue from international students, why can that be? oh right! never mind, especially if you went to Aussie like many of your mates…
      I find nothing more pathetic than kiwis telling us there is no racism. LOL! tell that to me who has endured bullying, name calling and shouting from cars. Tell that to a friend who was almost glassed by a stoned loser in Auckland. Tell that to the bright graduate who couldn’t find a job. Tell that to the exchange student who was almost run over and told to f*** go home. Tell that to all the people who have lived hell in Christchurch.

      What is most pathetic is the arrogance in telling us these things when your kind is the one responsible for the racism! Go buy a mirror and have a good look, you may learn something about nz.

      • Scott
        January 30, 2012 at 11:53 pm

        Oh dear, lead with your chin then…

        Moonlight :
        Scott, you seem to worry a lot about losing revenue from international students, why can that be? oh right!

        Not at all, I have no interest in monies from Students or Education. Certainly not in NZ!!

        Moonlight :
        never mind, especially if you went to Aussie like many of your mates…

        I’m not a Kiwi.

        Moonlight :

        I find nothing more pathetic than kiwis telling us there is no racism. LOL!

        I’m not a Kiwi.

        Moonlight :
        tell that to me who has endured bullying, name calling and shouting from cars.

        Like every other person I have ever met? When it happens to me I just assume they don’t like me for some reason.
        I guess you just blame it on racism?

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to a friend who was almost glassed by a stoned loser in Auckland.

        Like every other person who actually WAS glassed but didn’t have racism to hang it on?

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to the bright graduate who couldn’t find a job.

        Like every other skilled and developed individual that missed a job…. but this one had race to cling too?

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to the exchange student who was almost run over and told to f*** go home.

        Same thing happened to me in Christchurch!

        Moonlight :
        Tell that to all the people who have lived hell in Christchurch.

        Tough town. What else would you expect in any tough town anywhere else in the world?

        Moonlight :
        What is most pathetic is the arrogance in telling us these things when your kind is the one responsible for the racism!

        And what kind is that? (personal attack deleted by E2NZ)

        I didn’t throw 2c in for an argument, I chipped in for an alternate view. Something I would have thought a thread full of people searching for open discussion on a sensitive and polarizing subject would embrace.

        Funnily enough, I’ve encountered limp responses that include little more that the same things that everyone I know has endured at some time or another.

        My comments in my original post were not meant to cast NZ as a “racist-less” place, but as a place where you should not fear travelling to for its racism issues.

        Please enlighten me with any Country on this planet where strong racism, prejudice or oppression are not or have not been a REAL issue.

        In this world, racism is a debate about relativity. It is either better or worse than somewhere else – not is it there or not.

        • E2NZ
          January 31, 2012 at 12:17 pm

          Interesting thought but wrong on so many levels. What would you do, construct a league table of racism for every country in an effort to show how New Zealand compares to other countries?

          Wouldn’t a better alternative be to examine a country’s record on combating racism. i.e. how much it tolerates racism or not: For example the establishment of robust and progressive anti-discrimination legislation, effective enforcement of it and suitable penalties for breaking that legislation. The presence of proactive policies in education, sport, media and in the workplace.

          Did you know that NZ police won’t even collect data on racial abuse and the government say its not a priority? There is no data to even work with in New Zealand so how can anyone judge the effectiveness of anti-racism initiatives.

          Even New Zealand’s Race Relations Commissioner, Joris de Bres, has asked for that. As far back as September 2009 we covering reports which stated that everyday ‘race hate’ is rife in places like Christchurch. At that time Joris de Bres said race-hate crimes were a problem not just in Christchurch but around the country and were occurring more often than was reported to police:

          “It’s becoming more and more urgent for police to gather data of racial abuse. The Government does agree but has said it’s not a priority. People needed to report their experience and schools needed a culture of tolerance and respect, he said.”

          p.s. please don’t give your comments the thumbs up before they’ve even published. That’s just silly and who are you trying to impress anyway? :)

          • joss jossun
            September 11, 2013 at 4:13 am

            Hello Scott,
            I am a bit uncertain of who you are exactly, Aussie..(?) from what i gather, not kiwi you told so, So my question is; On what facts and knowledge can you tell that, racism isn’t perpetrated on a daily basis in NZ ?
            Although i agree with you that calling a Country racist isn’t, cannot be accepted as verified and absolute fact. I mean by this, not 100% of the people of a Nation is racist, and if it would be so, I believe this would come down to probabilities of 1 upon a very large number.
            This said, if 100% of the people can’t be racists, what if 60% of this Nation, let’s call them a “Cast”, is actively, on a daily basis, exerting random, racially motivated assaults against a specific representative Ethnic group, with knowing, that they’ll receive NO or very rare penal retributions for their bestial deeds, for the Government has its Own agenda of demeaning by all means possible and unimaginable, This specific group.
            What if of the people, 70% of this “cast” Is racist, or 80% or more or less.. , How can You tell then, how deep the rabbit hole is , and how to measure the degree of racism ?
            Wouldn’t you feel the same way in face of an institutional prejudice, that you’d endure and try to make up with ?
            How much racist would you deem this country to be, would you say ” Ohh by Jove, this country is 60% racist, yet my life is hell ..arrrggghhh ” , just ask yourself what would be your exact words ?
            I was contemplating immigration, as i pictured NZ as “Heaven on earth”, close to nature, friendly, welcoming,then a friend asked me “do you know anything about the place ?” ..” heuu well ..humm No ! ” , obviously i have now my answer..
            Why, because i can tell from all the comments, from several Youtube videos, from forums on the web, ALL relating to Police random and systematic targeting ID controls and checks, discrimination at school, work and in job prospects, Judges not investigating misdeeds of Police and Citizen against Ethnic minority groups.
            How do You, with all these testimonies, find there is no ground at all to conclude ” This country IS racist !!!” .. Especially when you Do Not live there, you’re Australian and you live in your country !? BTW, just for informal purposes, check out some youtube vids on Australians’s rants, in the metro, the streets etc..
            I live in France, i am Black, and I experience racism on a daily basis, not from 100% of the people, yet a very large majority, and believe me, not all of it comes from White people, but too from Algerians, Tunisians, Africans …yes Black men and women discriminating Me, for my skin is the mix of my Caribbean Mom and White Dad..go figure !?
            In a word, racism has many faces and many forms; “In your face”, violent, latent and sneaky, institutional, constitutional (ie;Apartheid), and the worst of all; against One’s own ethnicity.. Until you have lived it, had the experience of the guilt One may feel yet being the victim, the questions you ask yourself ” have i done something to bring this upon myself?”..until you have had these repetitive experiences once, twice, thrice and on and on, You Cannot/ Should not speak out of turn..rather listen and feel for your fellow human.I write this because i understand your heart is in the right place..just like many other but not like Everybody !
            Peace to all

  30. DavidLean
    January 31, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Kiwi is australia are just as racist as when they are in nz. In fact, the new zealander is no more of less than a nazi race

    • Moonlight
      January 31, 2012 at 6:31 pm

      and full of hot air too, like a belly after a meal of beans lol!
      all noise but no real substance, and full of lies as well ;)

    • Nikita
      April 5, 2013 at 12:50 pm

      Scott seems to be the only one here making his point whilst taking others opinions into account. It’s all fair to say there are racist people who are from New Zealand, but don’t you think it’s a bit strange to class all New Zealanders as racists for the actions of a few? And on the point of nazi’s, are all Germans racist for what one group from Germany did?
      I myself am a kiwi, and am fully aware of racial problems not only here but throughout the world. I own my own home where I flat with a guy from China. I made the choice to have him as a flatmate, and no where along the way did I think not to have him because of where he is from. He loves it here in NZ, and I can appreciate that some people will have had bad experiences, but so have we who have lived here, and so probably have you wherever you’re from!
      Some of you seem to be fighting something you hate with the exact same methods used by what you’re fighting against. Open your minds a bit and try and see that no matter where you are in the world there will be ‘racists’ and whoever else you don’t like, but there will always be people you can get along great with too!

  31. E2NZ
    January 31, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    I’m not a Kiwi.

    Scott, you also said

    We ask that visitors to our country are respectful of our way of life and do their bit to enjoy it without trying to change it. We live here for a reason you know!

    which is it Scott? are you’re a recent convert to the New Zealand culture and eager not to have your belief system shattered. Is your way of accepting it to tell yourself that other places are so much worse?

    What if they’re not?

  32. Scott
    January 31, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    E2NZ :
    Interesting thought but wrong on so many levels. What would you do, construct a league table of racism for every country in an effort to show how New Zealand compares to other countries?
    Wouldn’t a better alternative be to examine a country’s record on combating racism. i.e. how much it tolerates racism or not: For example the establishment of robust and progressive anti-discrimination legislation, effective enforcement of it and suitable penalties for breaking that legislation. The presence of proactive policies in education, sport, media and in the workplace.

    How a Government [says it] wants to tackle racism and how the people of the same country feel and act are two very different, and often mutually exclusive things.

    Governments that try to control peoples thoughts are in the fine company of North Korea – and isn’t that a glowing ideal.

    If you want to measure a countries approach to racism [and that is a country of people, not a government] then you must look at what is real and happening, not the polished message of a bureaucrat.

    Racism is everywhere – period. The sales pitch of a government do not change that, at best it might suppress the obviousness until a blow-up happens. Pick a country, any country, and I’ll rattle off a list of racial atrocities.

    The mere fact that you have dark skin is not always the reason you are harassed. The notion that you did not get a job because you are a Jew is mostly ridiculous. The fact that you got a glass shoved in your face is almost certainly just because you are one of those making up numbers in the human race.

    Where would you rather live E2NZ? In Auckland where you “might” get a drunk might call you a name and where the odds of you getting punched are below the average of Kiwi’s ——> or in the Middle East where they might beat you to death for what they think your beliefs might be?

    Racism is everywhere, the only way to measure it is in relativity. If every country is bad at best, because some racism is exhibited, then all you can do is aim to avoid the worst.

    The ideal is great, but it is just that – an ideal. Pick the best country you can, make it your home and do your bit to make it a better place.

    You obviously believe racism is an issue and I wholeheartedly agree. It is the scale of that issue, the misinformation on that issue, the wrongful reporting of that issue and the festering racism that the aforementioned perpetuates that I loathe too.

    As an aside, I have been called a racist in the past few weeks. I parked my car, with my wife and child, at a supermarket in Brisbane. Why was I a racist that day? Because the person I did not see that was also going for the same spot happened to be an African of some descent.

    Surely right now, in a pub, club, home or forum that person is prattling on about the racist, egalitarian bastard that took a car space based on race. Maybe they’re on here right now!

    I have said my bit and care no more to explain an alternate view. I hope you find your Utopia one day.

    • E2NZ
      January 31, 2012 at 4:48 pm

      And you too Scott.

  33. DavidLean
    January 31, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Racism is everywhere but mostly in new zealand as people in this country don’t have any respect for other human beings in this world. They are mostly racist towards asian and often throwing rubbish at them or even beat them to death because they are asian…

    • Moonlight
      February 1, 2012 at 5:34 pm

      exactly, and the worst thing is how they deny this happening or try to give some pathetic excuse (see above posts as an example…), the kiwi thinking is monolithic and full of denial, one of the reasons that make nz such a s**t place to live in…

    • P Ray
      February 4, 2012 at 5:25 am

      An interesting discussion about that:

      http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30217

      “Kiwi experience is a very subtle coercian tool. It is a way to take away your power and hand it over to the arbitrary legitimizers.

      Example. If a job requires more qualifications, I can empower myself to get the qualification.

      I can’t empower myself to get Kiwi Experience. I have to hand over my power to somebody else to do it for me.

      Therefore, New Zealand, for migrants, is not a true meritocracy. It is a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy.

      For some Migrants, the constraints of Kiwi Experience are loosened. For others, tightened.

      Then New Zealand wonders why it flounders in the OECD. Because it doesn’t want people to win. It wants certain people to win – not all people.”

      • Moonlight
        February 4, 2012 at 6:21 pm

        “Kiwi experience” is imo an excuse to legally get away with discrimination (I’m not sure if they can be sued for racism in backwards nz, as happens in the US…).
        It’s a load of bull*****, what makes the “kiwi” in the experience so special?

  34. xyxy
    February 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Much like academics are more petty and vicious because the stakes are so small, New Zealand feels extra-ferocious about being “overrun” by foreigners because there’s so little land to run over.

    • E2NZ
      February 1, 2012 at 9:30 pm

      Except for when James Cameron want to buy a few farms and he’s welcomed with open arms. Would he have had a different reception if his name was Jackie Chan?

  35. acomfortzone
    February 4, 2012 at 8:25 am

    It’s funny how most Kiwis hates the asian community here while the government seems to believe that the Asians are the key to having a better NZ economy. Maybe one should sent this blog address to all decision makers or government representatives in Asia who has the idea of having an agreement with NZ government. A warning that they will just use, their people, the Asians as a tool or better yet, Cash Cows and not respect them as a human being. I’m just saying…coming from my personal experience of Asian racism.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10783278

    Just take a look around the area in Auckland. Most restaurants are dominated by Asian Restaurants – thai, malaysian, chinese, indian. 2dollar shops owned by Asian businessmen are the one thriving. These businesses are probably one of the biggest contributor in the NZ economy.

    • Te Kao Rose
      February 7, 2012 at 5:32 pm

      “government seems to believe that the Asians are the key to having a better NZ economy” –
      Um, no, the government believes that ASIAN MONEY is the key to having a better NZ economy. Not the real live Asians attached to the money. ;) They can piss off. IMHO that’s the attitude.

  36. Moonlight
    February 5, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Refugees say bullying part of New Zealand culture :

    http://www.newswire.co.nz/2011/06/bullying-part-of-nz-culture-say-refugee-youth/

    from the fire to the pan? from the pan to the fire?
    poor people :(

  37. Uniculture
    February 6, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Who thought that the Kiwis are down-to-earth, friendly and helpful when the large majority of underclass are into bad manners.A Caucasian lady stole my parking lot in a Westfield Mall in Auckland some years ago even though she saw me waiting for the other car to get out of the car park lot.Even the other car driver, an Indian lady was so upset with this lady’s action of bullying or inconsiderateness that she stopped her car and spoke to me.
    I also heard of a customer spitting into a jeweller’s face as she thought that the jeweller took some grams of her gold away from a ring she sent to him for melting. These are crude and uncivilized manners coupled with going out with no shoes, smelling awful, unkempt hair and clothes. I have been to many other countries and still have not encountered people yelling at you from their cars or throwing drink cans at you. Does anyone has similar experiences in other countries?
    The gentrification of the underclass will take more than 3 generations if any government bothers to spend any budget on them…it is a long way to civilized society in NZ. One reader from UK is really right about NZ; it is a South Pacific island more than a first class country with superior infrastructure.
    Bullying the refugees is the same as opposing the Chinese to buy the Crafar farms as the paper shows that Americans, Canadians and even Liechtensteinians are buying far more land than the Chinese.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6368089/Who-is-really-buying-New-Zealand

    “Land Information Minister Maurice Williamson has called the negative reaction to the Crafar farms xenophobic and racist.

    Williamson said that when Canadians, Americans, Germans and Swiss bought farmland there had not been a ”mutter or a murmur”.

    So the Kiwis are ignorant and display their fears making a mockery of themselves.
    I suggest they should turn themselves into the next North Korea where nobody gets in and nobody gets out and all things stay status quo for the next hundreds of generations. Nobody will be complaining of oil diggers coming to steal the oil, etc and you don’t have to sell state assets as well so no more protests at Waitangi Day.
    NZ will have peace eventually….

  38. Moonlight
    February 11, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    • P Ray
      February 14, 2012 at 8:38 am

      In line with that, a reply to what Prasad said would be very interesting

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6399366/Making-your-education-investment-pay


      Prasad #16 05:11 pm Feb 13 2012

      I think the way ford is to limit kiwis from going to university. It is too expensive and the country cant afford it.

      It makes more sense to say allow 25% of Students to be kiwis and have it free, Then the other 75% can be full fee payers from overseas like I was and then all foreign students should get residency after graduation. The rest of the kiwis who miss out can do ordinary work like supermarket,labouring and retail work, and then the graduates like myself dont have to do that low class work and have the high income statys wee deserve.

      and

      cm #6 11:06 am Feb 13 2012

      For every dollar the student invests, we taxpayers invest two. For that reason it is important that more students take course that actually have a real benefit to society.

      As for PhDs… their worth depends very much on the area.

      A BSc in Computer Science is enough to get you a job that pays well. On the job experience is generally considered more valuable than extra degrees.

      In chemistry, a BSc allows you to be a low-level lab worker. You need an MSc or PhD to be taken at all seriously.

      As for a PhD in French History…. well that’s pretty much worthless.

      My comment? I’d disagree with that idea of a STEM qualification “easily earning you a place in a higher pay bracket”.

      Reason being that your bosses are very likely unqualified, and intimidated by real credentials earned through hard work, critical thinking and an analytical process. The people who have only an “MBA without a first degree” are very likely to be both crooked and misrepresent themselves, since a (professional) degree indicates adherence to certain codes of conduct and the requirement to be audited … which HR overlooks to their legal detriment.

      It doesn’t help that for many instances of employment in NZ, it is not “what you know” but “who you know”.
      A professional will likely be turned down for a mate of the boss’ son, in any position where the faults of faulty personnel staffing decisions can be glossed over.

      Throughout all my enquiries for a STEM position in my field of qualification in NZ (over 50, not counting resume drop-offs to HR consultants AND positions in technical support (where I noticed the technicians could not perform proper diagnoses or explain what was wrong)), I did get the chance to hear one of them tell me that my resume would most likely be binned (despite the university I attended), and not to expect a reply since I was an international student (nevermind the fact that I had finished my qualification and had completed my course completely in New Zealand).

      • February 16, 2012 at 8:46 pm

        What is low class work?
        All work is honorable.
        “Kiwis can do this low class work.”
        These comments do you no favours.

        • E2NZ
          February 17, 2012 at 11:53 am

          Note to readers those were Prasad’s comments being quoted by P Ray, not his own.

        • P Ray
          February 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm

          Grover,
          please don’t lend weight to this article.
          Thank you.

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10778099

          “New Zealand needs to do more to improve our workforce’s literacy, numeracy and language skills if we are to achieve significant economic growth, according to business leaders.”

          Turning away qualified people will have a knock-on effect, that will certainly affect national growth.

  39. Reece
    February 19, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    As far as racism is concerned in New Zealand, I admit that it’s very much alive. However, instead of complaining about it, immigrants should instead understand it. Why is there racism? When I was growing up, I didn’t see an Asian until about the age of 14. Now within only a few years, Asians are fulling up our streets, driving flash cars, buying luxury items such as cars, houses etc… All because they have more or less brought their way into New Zealand for a better life. These immigrants may or may not have the skills we lack, and may or may not necessarily be interested in working in any of those fields. Instead, they want to come to New Zealand for the social benefits such as health, air and a higher standard of living that they will never get in Asia. Because of this very reason, they aren’t interested at all in integrating into society, rather they want to segregate themselves and live their life as if they were in their home country. If they only took a look at themselves, they would understand why there is so much resentment towards them. 1. they don’t integrate into New Zealand. 2. Most don’t have any desire or aspiration of integrating. 3. They don’t see how their spending habits and bling actually go against the New Zealand culture, how traditionally we conserved and saved, making do with what we had without the need for copious luxury goods… how does this make kiwis feel when a segment of the population goes against the grain?? – Maybe NZ is a little behind the times, but progress such as this needs to be introduced slowly as culture is a mindset not easily changed. Instead, the so called “asian invasion” has dramatically changed things, too quickly resulting in resentment and “racism” but I think the same would apply in any country with such circumstances. 4. They only speak their language, or they speak English to you, but speak Chinese in front of you when another Chinese is present, completely cutting you out of the conversation. 5. They spit a lot …… I’m not saying that Chinese are wrong, and I’m not saying that Kiwis aren’t racist… All I’m saying is that for the most part, Chinese were originally culturally insensitive to New Zealanders which in turn created a butterfly effect still existing today.

    In addition I speak chinese, I lived in China for 1 year… I found it too racist and moved home. One reason for that was when I spoke Chinese to Chinese people (in China), they would only reply to me in English… how arrogant? not to mention how my Chinese is better than most of their English…. And how dare they assume my native tongue is English just because I’m white. Now I have returned home, I have noticed the Chinese government investing a lot of money nation wide to provide an avenue for non-chinese to learn chinese, encourage us to learn chinese culture and live and breath the language through the confusious institute…. now, where’s the logic in that when the Chinese are so superior to any other race that they refuse to speak their own language to a non-chinese citizen? My girlfriend (to be wife) is Chinese, and the majority of Chinese are ruining the reputation for the minority of Chinese like my girlfriend who are actually traditional, humble and sincere people who care about others and uphold the traditional and beautiful aspects of old China. That gets me started on another point, every single Chinese that has found out I’ve got a Chinese girlfriend from China has openly at some stage or another said to me or my girlfriend in private that our relationship will fail, we will get a divorce and that there’s no future. WTF? It annoys me so much. Looking at the statistics, married couples have a 20-30% chance of divorce, which is quite high in comparison to some Asian countries, but still low enough to unwarrant those unfriendly, uninviting comments that our relationship will fail. It hasn’t so far, and I can’t imagine it ever will. In comparison to China, when European men marry their wife, they stay loyal most of the time, yes there’s always an exception to that rule, but that’s the general census. China however, the man gains more face with every new addition of mistresses. They either cheat on their wives with prostitutes, or they have another if not a few more girlfriends on the side…. with all this going on, what gives Chinese the right to condem our relationship on the basis that I’m white? Answers please???

    • February 21, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      Reece I like you have lived in Asia and still do.
      I agree with all the points you made.
      The big problem is one of culture.
      India and China have ancient cultures and the people from these countries identify strongly with them.
      We have been taught, our culture does not exist but we must respect the culture of others.
      It’s a weird situation.
      Asians can justify their actions right or wrong based on their cultural views.
      We can not.
      I would love every liberal Kiwi to spend some time in Asia. Work there.
      Understand that real cultural differences exist between Asia and New Zealand.
      Maybe then they won’t be so carefree using the label “racist” and some real progress in terms of cultural understanding can be made. It would also encourage the development of more intelligent policy regarding the movement of people between the two regions .
      As somebody recently posted, Asian nations do not want immigrants from outside their own countries. This is understood. It’s what they want and they are completely honest about it.
      P.S. I still can’t take the spitting. Yuk.

      • E2NZ
        February 22, 2012 at 11:59 am

        Grover, perhaps you’d like to say where you live in Asia? Some countries have been affected more than others by Western intervention.

  40. michelle
    February 20, 2012 at 4:01 am

    I would like you Reece, to answer a few questions. Why do you think you are not racist?
    Why do you think you must make an excuse for kiwi racists?

    Let me tell you what I have observed from your ill informed comments.

    Firstly is buying a luxury car or a decent house a reason for racism?, if this goes against kiwi culture of (” how traditionally we conserved and saved, making do with what we had without the need for copious luxury goods…”) then does that mean kiwi’s are un-accepting of cultures that are different from theirs?, or does it mean that when any immigrant arrives in New Zealand must they forget who they are or their reasons for coming to New Zealand??

    So tell me – “HOW DOES? this make kiwis feel when a segment of the population goes against the grain??”

    Why would anyone in their right mind leave their country for any other reason than for a better life than they already have?? ….healthcare and “air” etc may be advantages to some people, just as higher salaries in Australia are attractive to Kiwis crossing the border…..are these not for the same reasons?? A better life?? No immigrant would come to this country if New Zealand didnt have anything to offer them…. in return New Zealand gains skills and more taxpayers which supplements healthcare, social security and even your precious “air” not just for themselves but for every person living in New Zealand. It is always going to be a mutual relationship….

    Do not assume that it is easy to get into New Zealand just because of money that you think immigrants buy their way in with…….many immigrants come from Countries whose currencies values are significantly less than the New Zealand dollar and from places where they have to pay for their own healthcare and social security and no government assistance is provided….if you don’t work, you don’t eat or have a roof over your head, if you don’t pay for education, you live without it…

    So the skilled migrants that immigration is being so tough on when wanting to immigrate to New Zealand have paid their way in time and money to gain educations in their own countries which in turn benefits New Zealanders just for the very healthcare and “air” their pay for here by way of taxes. I can honestly tell you, any immigrant in his right mind will willingly pay less taxes and forfeit healthcare and take care of his own health.

    Ask yourself another question….or better still… ask your girlfriend what LANGUAGE is CHINESE? As far as i know there is no such language and how is it not offensive when Kiwi suddenly speaks “chinese” to someone who he assumes speaks “chinese”…..how did you know that they speak “chinese” and not any other language or even english for that matter?? If you are offended by someone speaking to you in english and assuming that is your language, how do you expect a chinese person not to be offended??

    Who is being racist now? You judging them by the way they look or them judging you by the way you look?

    What is so wrong about the chinese government funding classes to learn their language? Since as you say there is an influx of chinese people in new zealand, would it not be a good idea to build better relations with the people who live in your community?
    Is this an insult to the kiwi way of life to learn another language?

    Its like saying that by offering sign language classes in this country the government is saying that all hearing people must become deaf??? Does this make any sense to you ???

    By the Chinese government offering this service, does this not prove to you that the chinese people have no problem with you joining in their conversation when they speak to each other and instead not see it as an insult that they prefer to speak their language just as you prefer to speak english to your friends in a public setting as that is the language you are most comfortable with? Should then the chinese person feel insulted that you are not speaking his language when he is present??

    Have you thought about how considerate a chinese person is being by speaking your language (english) to you instead of speaking his language to you which is more comfortable for him and not expecting you to speak “chinese” or simply understand it?

    You are very quick to insult and demean a chinese man in saying that they have mistresses or see prostitutes…. exactly how many chinese men do you know to be able to paint them all with one brush but instead you want chinese people to be considerate to you with regards to your faithfulness regardless of the clear statistics that you yourself have pointed out….??

    Remember this one fact, china has a population estimated to be over 1 BILLION whereas the total population of New Zealand is estimated at just 4.4 MILLION. It is far easier to paint New Zealanders with one brush because of the small population but no one is doing this….so once again ask yourself who is being racist and judgmental??

    These are observations i have made of your comments and my personal answer to you.

    You may say that i am racist because of what i have said but as far as my comments go, you have no idea what race or nationality i am.

    So look at yourself and the way you have separated New Zealand whites from New Zealand asians and tell me this is not racism and how does your view differ from any other “so called racist kiwi” ??

    • P Ray
      February 26, 2012 at 2:25 am

      The thing to watch out for is this:

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10787888

      “Students flee NZ over job fears
      By Elizabeth Binning
      9:30 AM Saturday Feb 25, 2012

      Finding a job is one of the biggest worries for today’s tertiary students – so much so that many are planning to leave the country when they finish studying.”

      “When asked what their biggest fear was once they had left study, 21 per cent of students said it related to whether or not they would be able to find a job in their chosen field.”

      My prediction (towards Asia) is for an increase in English teachers without any real qualification in teaching English beyond the cachet of coming from New Zealand,
      My prediction (towards NZ) is for an increase in immigrant labour and the use of the 90day probation as a chance for businesses to overwork people and shuffle them around so they don’t have to pay permanent salaries.

      “student loan holders who do go abroad tend to have bigger loans than those who remain here after completing their study.” International students will be paying for that shortfall, with no guarantee of a proper job (paying 5x the fees, and then having the perception around that they “bought their degrees”, while locals get to say they “got their degrees on merit”)
      At many universities I am sure the question that international students dare not ask is “will we get a job after we have finished here?” and the student advisors will deftly tell them that they have shortcomings which can’t be addressed (actually, it’s more like prejudices from others which can’t be surmounted).

      The funny thing about that article is that they never mention how many applications an international student has to send in to even GET an interview.
      What is interesting in such articles is what they leave out, not what they put in.

  41. gabby
    February 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    It sounds like you got a good dose of nastiness from both sides of the fence. I don’t envy your position! But as a European white person I would love to be fluent in Chinese – lucky you (in that sense)!

  42. Uniculture
    February 26, 2012 at 4:11 am

    There is still a lot of misunderstanding between different cultures and what Reece said about Chinese men having mistresses or visiting prostitutes are what he had read negatively about Chinese men. The media enjoy churning out attention grabbing headlines. The ex IMF boss D.Strass-Kahn and the former Italian chief Berlusconi were not angels to their wives too.
    Someone told me a case of a Asian worker who was bypassed in two promotions in her bank as she was Asian and hence could not take the managerial position. The irony is that she had to train the 2 new managers appointed to do their jobs correctly. She could not stand a chance being a non Kiwi. The lady has since left the country and gone overseas.
    Racism does exist in NZ. You only have to listen to what the immigrants have to say aboout their experiences.

  43. DavidLean
    February 28, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    New zealand is the nastiest and the most racist nation on earth….They are completely backwards and backstabbing bunch of people…

    You come and visit their country, spend all of your money and then they will kick you out of their country…

  44. Jack Wong
    March 1, 2012 at 2:32 am
  45. samuel welsh
    March 15, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    sure there are some morons but most kiwis are from all over and love foriginers.

  46. March 27, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Well yes it is not only Asians being treated like that. I am from another country and are treated like that. I can not even find a job here with two degrees and many years of experience. I do not have an accent but am from the wrong country!!!!!! They will only use immigrants as cheap labour or to line their pockets.

  47. Wayne
    March 27, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Reece basically talks an absolute load of rubbish, and I doubt he has visited Asia at all. Maybe he has, maybe he has not, really it is irrelevant because his points do not make sense anyway.

    Chinese do not want to learn english?

    Absolute bollocks. Look at the huge number of english teaching jobs in Asia, not just China, but throughout all of East Asia, for native speakers of english. Surely that fact in itself belies the claim that Chinese are not interested in learning english.

    Here in NZ, of course newly arrived migrants will speak their mother tongues. But that is the same with all cultures here, whether Chinese, Korean, Samoan, Tongan, Italians, and Afrikaaners.

    The thing is the Chinese kids sure pick up English, and are encouraged to by their parents, and many outscore kids that were born here on national NCEA english exams.

    It is a sheer lie that Chinese will not speak English.

    The worse people in the world when it comes to adopting a foreign language are the Anglo Saxons. They are the only race who migrate to other countries, and not only do not adopt the local customs and language, but actively suppress the right of the original inhabitants to speak theirs.

    I have worked in Hong Kong for many years. The Portuguese people in Macau, learned Cantonese and assimlated with the local Chinese. Yet the English people in Hong Kong do not even let their kids born and brought up there learn Cantonese, for fear that they will go ‘native’ and send their children to ‘international schools’, which are schools mainly for white people.

    And in meetings if there is one non-Chinese speaker there EVERYONE without any protest will speak English for the benefit of that one Anglo Saxon in the room. And the Anglo Saxon will not even be grateful for it, but think it is something he should expect.

  48. Wayne
    March 27, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    My girlfriend (to be wife) is Chinese, and the majority of Chinese are ruining the reputation for the minority of Chinese like my girlfriend

    Again the facts as you present them are the best testament against your claims of ‘racism’.

    If you have visited Hong Kong or China you will note that these types of marriages or dating couples abound ie. white men with Chinese women.

    For the most part these couples are completely unmolested by the local population.

    Chinese have never lynched, castrated, or killed men of a foreign race for going out with their women folk, unlike whites.

    White people, unfortunately, occupy a highly privileged position in East Asia. They are hugely overpaid, by local standard, are waited on hand and foot by the locals, and even worshipped by them. In fact the worship is rather disgusting, and not something I would advocate.

  49. Wayne
    March 27, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    China however, the man gains more face with every new addition of mistresses. They either cheat on their wives with prostitutes, or they have another if not a few more girlfriends on the side…. with all this going on, what gives Chinese the right to condem our relationship on the basis that I’m white?

    What an absolute load of rot. Most Chinese couples are a heck of a lot more loyal to each other than the case with Western couples.

    How the hell can Reece condemn purported infidelity among Chinese men, when in the West, 1 in 2.7 or almost 40% of men cheat anyway?

    Reece’s selective condemnation is ignorant, inflammatory, and utterly racist.

    http://tinyurl.com/6mee8oq

    The other thing. A Chinese man will never leave his family in the lurch. He will always support his kids, because not to support one’s family is the most unmanly of traits in Asian culture.

    The likelihood of a Chinese man abandoning his family, his children, is, I would guess much less than would be case for men of most other ethnicities.

  50. Wayne
    March 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    In comparison to China, when European men marry their wife, they stay loyal most of the time, yes there’s always an exception to that rule, but that’s the general census.

    Yeah. Right…..between 30 and 40% of Western men cheat, you ignorant fool.

    And you mean general ‘consensus’ right?

    For heaven’s sake your own English is appalling—-yet you claim to speak Mandarin better than most Chinese can speak English?

    • Rebecca
      July 31, 2012 at 1:56 pm

      dont make this a personal battle

      • P Ray
        August 2, 2012 at 2:21 pm

        Wayne: Reece is an example of “white privilege” in action. Some people wish for a return to the old ways where there was a clearly defined racial hierarchy. Ignoring the fact that back in the “old days” … they’d not have the same opportunities to get ahead too.
        Rebecca: Everything is a personal battle. When enough persons get involved, things change.

  51. Wayne
    March 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    These immigrants may or may not have the skills we lack, and may or may not necessarily be interested in working in any of those fields. Instead, they want to come to New Zealand for the social benefits such as health, air and a higher standard of living that they will never get in Asia.

    Obviously they are desperate to work in their respective fields. And Asians as a group, are the least burden, proportionally, of all ethnic groups when it comes to using health services and social welfare services. And their crime rate is about 1/4 that of the non-Asian crime rate.

    Percentage wise Asians commit far fewer crimes than NZ Europeans.

  52. michelle
    March 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Anyone notice that Reece is quiet? Wonder Why?!! So glad im not the only one having these bad experiences and that everyone is making their voices heard!! Well done!! :o)

  53. Marie
    April 1, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    I’ve found New Zealand to be racist, but not as much as other countries, here it is found in the humor and slang. “bloody maori” “coconuts” etc. Yet when i asked some people about this they said it was their humor and it wasn’t racist because it was humor, which i thought was rubbish, and when i told them so i got the “you wouldn’t understand you’re not from here” response from them. Which got me looking around to find this thread, no doubt i found New Zealand racist, I’m an English white, female. So i fit in quite well and am very lucky, i would hate to be the maori, islanders or asians here. It’s not as racist as South Africa, England, America however, most of those countries admit they are racist and racism lives there. They also understand that racism isn’t pure hate, it’s making judgment based on race. Which the Kiwis i’ve met seem to be unable to grasp the concept that they don’t have to hate a race and attack them to be racist. So i do believe that New Zealand is quite racist, it’s there and people need to see that. But it’s not as violent as other countries i don’t believe.

  54. April 3, 2012 at 9:08 am

    @Marie..Thank you for being honest and admitting that NZ is a racist country and that people here dont really understand what racism is and so believe they are innocent in calling people names….
    I will say though that you are wrong regarding the 2 countries i DO know about…this being South Africa and England…

    I was born and have lived in South Africa for 28 years and in that time i have barely experienced any racism there!! We may come from a history of apartheid but we have come a very long way!! My parents lived through the worst periods where they couldnt take buses or go to the same toilets as a white south africans.

    I have never experienced such racism as what i have encountered in NZ over the past 5 months that i have been here… it is absolutely appalling and disgraceful that a country such as this is filled with such ignorance and disregard and hate for those that are different…

    As for England, i lived there for 2 years and my brother has gained citizenship there with his family, in the time i have been there i barely had anyone say anything to me…until the terrorist attacks when idiots thought they had a voice… and he also never experienced anything till then and since then… he has lived there for over 11 years…

    So i would say in my experience so far…NZ is one of the worst when it comes to racism and its disgusting that the government is doing nothing to protect the immigrants they so desperately need here to support its economy!!

    I am indian and so sadly i realize that most people who say they have never seen or experienced it here are always white…. well go figure!! why do you think that is?!! LOL

    Ive been told by many people here that they have never heard of such a thing…. WHY?!! Simple i would say…if i tell you ive experienced it and you are busy trying to act like it doesnt exist and prove me wrong… then you will never see it!!

    So Marie, before you make statements about another country….. get more facts.please!! If South Africa had no crime and less corruption, i would gladly go back there!!
    …NZ tops the charts when it comes to racism.

    • Kelsey
      March 28, 2013 at 10:56 am

      South africa is still very much racist….. Except that now it has been reversed and it is now the whites who are railed against. Jobs will go to underqualified black South Africans over very well qualified white south africans purely because of their race. My cousin, an extremely bright, practically straight A student, was turned down for a certain qualification because “the racial quota had been filled”. Not the exact quote, but something like that. Now I can’t remember exact figures, but it’s something like if you are black, to pass a paper you need to get a certain percentage, but if you are white, to pass that same paper, you have to score at least 10-30% higher! How is that not racist?
      The government has no problems kicking white people off their farms, murdering them. If a white man is mugged by a black man (as most of my family have been) there’s no point even bothering to report it, as the police are so corrupt, they will always go against the white man.
      Now, I’m not saying that the PEOPLE as a whole are racist. However, the government and instutions very much are and condone racism. Often it’s to pay back what was done to them under Apartheid (which was terrible)! However, unlike the wonderful Mandela, who wanted freedom and equality for ALL, the new government only wants black South Africans. It’s fast becoming like Zimbabwe.
      I have absolutely nothing against the black people, I love their generally positive outlook, their kind nature and wonderful culture. I was partially raised by a wonderful Zulu woman. However as usual, the minority have ruined the majority.
      So everyone saying that NZ is a Nazi-ish country….I really don’t think you can say that until you have properly studied the levels of outright racism in other countries. And I have been attacked based on my nationality, both by white and Moari New Zealanders. However, it is not as bad as some places. I have friends from China, Taiwan, India, Sri Lanka and the Pacific Islands, and I have never heard any of them ever complain about racism to such an extent.
      Maybe you have had bad experiences (such as I have), but you can’t condemn the entire country. Of course there is racism. Racism is everywhere and inescapable. Which doesn’t make it right of course.BUt it is certainly not so bad as other places. (for example, in France and ITaly, they wont even speak to you if they think you might be British or American, and will ignore you if you are standing in line, and go to the person standing behin you and serve them instead.)

      • Asian scarfie
        April 27, 2013 at 1:31 am

        oh yes Kelsey. very true indeed !!!…i have just experienced this in Rome. I thought the French was the worst(people in Lourdes were lovely but Parisians are just baddddd).LOL. they can’t drive and can’t park either…and this comment is coming from an Asian…hahahaaaa…

        Anyway I was queueing to buy an icecream by the Trevi fountain, there was a chinese couple standing next to me and they were there ahead of me and must have been waiting there for sometime(I knew they were chinese because they were mumbling chinese and i understood a bit).

        But the italian shopkeepers refused to even acknowledge them and kept looking the other way while lifting ice boxes and doing some other type of work(or pretended to) as if these 2 chinese were invisible. No eye contact, no effort to communicate whatsoever. So anyway after waiting for about 2 minutes i was beginning to lose my patience, I saw nothing happened, so i braced myself with my very limited Italian and asked politely for a scoop of Rum and Raisin icecream and they were shocked to see an Asian speaking Italian and i got served immediately !!!…hahaha…

        i wish my Italian were better so i could help the chinese couple but unfortunately my italian was limited(sigh).

        my point is…if you are different or look different i should say…try learning the language, try mix and mingle, try as hard as u can…there will be rejections (name calling, abuse, discrimination, ignorance etc…)..but if u persevere there will be other nice and kind human beings…no matter where u are…Dunedin, Auckland, Christchurch, Queenstown, Paris, Rome, London…all over the world…

        I got name called (Fucking Asian, Asian Invasion) on my 1st year in Dunedin and i was walking with a mixed bunch (White Kiwis, Vanuatuans, Fijians, my good mate was NZ born Indian) in Dunedin (Winston Peters was yelling on the radio…we are not welcoming u foreigners sending your children here to study blah2 back in 1995)…but then there were really nice and kind Dunners too…

        I was lucky enough to stay with a South African friend and her family during my flight transit in Christchurch which was supposed to be for 1 night but got dragged into 4 nights due a bad fog in Sydney but Qantas refused to fund my accommodation and this very kind SA family has offered me their shelter for free…how could i ever repay their kindness..but then working at where i work now i also saw a certain division between the so call “coloured” SA and the “white” ones…they hardly go for lunches together…the coloured will hang out and have lunch with the Kiwis and the white SA will stick together…they still communicate in Afrikaans of course for work purpose…but i dont see them becoming good close mates though…no judgement from me just an observation…:-)

        i have good SA mates here who i know are coming to NZ for a better life…free from fear of being raped if travelling after dark (the women ones)…and the ones with the family farm who fear of being shot and killed like their boora friends in Zimbabwe so i totally understand where they are coming from…as i also experienced a so called ethnic cleansing in Indonesia back in 1982 and 1998 where they were attacking the chinese in Indonesia (raping, looting and killing).

        The Indo government is still denying these events actually happened to avoid compensations to the victims..It’s only in the last few years that Chinese New Year was acknowledged in Indonesia and made into a public holiday even though the chinese has been there for generations…we were not allowed to keep our name, my Dad had to change his name to get into schools and universities…without qualifications u cannot get a job and earn a living…

        same as NZ i suppose…the Chinese miners were not allowed to apply for NZ citizenships until 1952 (
        see article http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/citizenship/page-1)
        …my point is if u look different, your life might get harder but if u wanna live u have to persevere…

        we as migrants have to assimilate hard…sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn’t but u have to try…or if it gets too much then move elsewhere where u feel u belong to…when you’re being prejudiced/discriminated, dont always assume everyone is…u will encounter the good ones and when these good people give u opportunities…make the most of it…

        i still think i am blessed so far to have a life in NZ…Racism in NZ is bad..but not as bad as some other places(such as Indonesia hehe)…or maybe i have just been lucky enough to avoid the wrong place at the wrong time (but i have experienced it though) …God knows…

        racism exists everywhere…there are racist people and there are non-racist people…:-)

        i used to be told that Australians are racists (Pauline Hanson, attacks on Indians etc)…but the aussies that i came across are some of the nicest, loveliest, generous bunch that i know (met some during my Contiki trip in Europe and having been to Melbourne and Sydney)…
        i still get shit for being the only one with the Kiwi accent(naturalised) in the trip LOL…but i just gave it back (call them wanker-Shane Warne when they call me sheep-shagger haha and we all had a laugh)…

        when Aussie economy has bounced back…a bit slow at the moment due to slowness in mining…and there are more good IT jobs that pays well in Melbourne…i won’t mind coming back to Melbourne :-)

        if u have skills and experience and the right attitude, and the demand is there maybe it’s your luck, then the world is your oyster…if they dont welcome you here in NZ, go where u feel welcome…

        so brace yourself peeps…when life gives u lemons make lemonades

  55. April 3, 2012 at 9:23 am

    @Marie, Thank you for being honest about NZ and its racism issues… I must say though that you are wrong when it comes to 2 countries i have knowledge of… this would be South Africa and England….

    I am indian and was born and raised in South Africa and i have never experienced racism in my 28 years…to the extent i have experienced it here in NZ in the past 5 months.

    South Africa is a country with a history of apartheid and would be excused if that is what is still happening today…but racists are few and far between and you must remember that NZ is small in population…… I come from a city called Durban and we have close to 4 million people there now… which is almost double the whole population of NZ….

    So if racism is in South Africa it would be an issue yes and it would be drowned out by the majority….

    As for the UK…. I have stayed there for 2 years, my brother has his citizenship and has lived there for 11 years and both of us have not experienced racism there until the terrorist attacks where a few idiots thought it was their time to shine…. since then… there has never been anything racist happen to us….

    So as far as i am concerned NZ tops the charts when it comes to racism…… just because you do not see it, does not mean it is there…

    As for violence due to racism, i suggest you do more research on the net!! you will find that those kinds of incidents are rampant in NZ and reasons for violence in South Africa and the UK are far from racist…but rather caused by other factors…..

    If Crime and Corruption were reduced in South Africa… honestly!! I would go back and live happily….

    I find the attitude of alot of kiwis very unfriendly, alot racist, and not welcoming… very close minded people with no sense of the bigger world outside of their small country… and the truth is…this country is small yet people here believe they are living in countries such as America or the UK where the population is massive..

    They need to wake up before they get left behind..the world is moving fast and they are still stuck in the dark ages with their beliefs and their attitude…

    If they are more open they will find that immigrants and people of colour bring something good to this country..

    As for Maori people…. well this is their country and they are native to this country….they have more of a right to be here than any white kiwi…..sadly though alot of people here dont even know their history or respect it.

  56. callusup
    April 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Hi there people, as a New Zealander I have found reading this blog disturbing. It seems to me that there is a lot of negitivity here. I think that the people who have something bad to say are being motivated to write comments and the people who have something good to say arent bothering. It is sometimes said that if you a bad experience you will tell ten people but if you have a good experience you might tell one.

    I think that New Zealand is a diverse country and we get along pretty well, we are not at war. It is always hard to live in a culture that is not your own, and there will always be people who you don’t get along with. But don’t bag NZ too much, yes we have our problems but there are much worse places to live. Out of all the places that I have visited NZ would still be my choice of places to live, and travelling has brought home to me how lucky I am to call New Zealand home.

    Tell me, can those of you who call other places home, can you really say that there is no racisim in your own country. Beware throwing bricks he who lives in a glass house.

    Remember the kind acts and good things that you have experienced in NZ. Bad news sells but the world might be a better place if we took more notice of the good in this world and gave thanks for our blessings.

    • E2NZ
      May 1, 2012 at 5:33 pm

      Thank you for your comment.

      Tell me, can those of you who call other places home, can you really say that there is no racisim in your own country.

      That’s exactly the point we’re trying to make – New Zealand has similar problems to the very countries that migrants used to call home.
      Please take time to read our Welcome page and familiarize yourself with the aims of this blog, one of which is to debunk some of the *propaganda and myth that has been built up around the country. Whilst you may prefer the taste of Kool-Aid there are many who don’t :)

      * an example from the New Zealand Now government website. We note that crime has been recently deleted from the list of ‘don’t haves’ for New Zealand.
      Quality of life

      In many ways, it’s not what New Zealand has that’s important to quality of life here; it’s what we don’t have.
      •We don’t have abject poverty or hunger, largely because of a commitment to social welfare dating back to the 1930s.
      •Corruption is virtually unheard of. New Zealand was ranked the 2nd least corrupt country in the world in the 2008 Corruption Perception Index by Transparency International.
      •We don’t have the pollution, congestion, health issues and cramped city living that is often the case elsewhere.

      What we do have is equal opportunity where people are not judged on their gender, how they sound, what colour they are, how they vote, or where – if – they go to church.

      It all adds up to a fresh, healthy lifestyle in one of the most beautiful countries in the world.

      You may then wish to read our blogs tagged poverty, racism , housing and health, pollution and fraud to get the other side of the story.

      Lastly read our facts and stats pages.

  57. E2NZ
    May 1, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Recent examples from NZ news:

    Fraud

    “An Auckland couple have been charged with one of the biggest internal frauds in Work and Income history after allegedly stealing $210,000 of taxpayer money by paying benefits to family members.

    The fraud was allegedly carried out over seven years before being discovered by the Social Development Ministry’s fraud team. A 42-year-old Winz case manager and his wife were arrested as a result.

    It is allegedly the second largest fraud in Winz history…”

    Racism

    “A self-described “little old Chinese lady” has waded into the racism debate, saying she has suffered decades of racial abuse.

    Victoria Beck, 70, said she has been abused in the street, told to go back to Asia, and even been hit by passers-by, despite calling New Zealand home for most of her life. And the situation was worsening, she said.

    “As a little old Chinese lady, I am the target of much more physical, verbal and emotional abuse today.”

    Her complaint came after Blues coach Pat Lam suffered racist attacks on internet message boards and talkback radio because of his team’s failings…”

    Poverty is NZ’s biggest growth industry

    “New Zealand’s biggest growth industry isn’t agriculture or manufacturing – it’s poverty, a Waikato University professor says.

    Social scientist, Professor Darrin Hodgetts, said New Zealand was “growing poverty”.

    “It’s our growth industry and it’s growing at three times the OECD average,” Prof Hodgetts said.

    According to the OECD at least one in five New Zealand children live in severe or significant hardship, while at least one in four children lived below the semi-official poverty line…”

    Overcrowding

    “The rental housing shortage in Christchurch is at breaking point, agencies say.

    Tenants hunting rental properties in the earthquake-hit city are fighting soaring demand, rising rent and a plummeting supply.

    Landlords are fielding a 42% increase in inquiries, tenants face a 15% rent rise and rental listings have dived 40% compared with last year, new Trade Me figures show.

    Some of the hardest-hit people sleep in garages and have moved into damaged red-zoned homes, while others face homelessness.

    Tenants Protection Association manager Helen Gatonyi…works with some of the worst-affected residents. She had seen unlawful overcrowding, people who had been forced to sleep in sheds, tents, garages and cars, and some who had no choice but to turn to the streets.

    “Many people are facing absolute uncertainty. Children are unsettled, parents are becoming unwell and the elderly are losing themselves with worry and fear. God forbid what is going to happen when winter hits,” she said.

    It is time somebody steps up…”

    Enjoy the Kool Aid ;)

  58. August 1, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    I disagree with your comments that Europeans comprise the majority of rasists, I am European and I am discriminated on the basis of ethnicity by both New Zealand Europeans and New Zealand Maori.

    I agree this truly shocking.

    Before coming to New Zealand I believed that it’s a new home for all nations on Earth: things like that were said to me years ago when I was a tourist to Australia and New Zealand.

    However once you immigrate these words turn into only words. Sadly – quite too often!

    Not many kiwis are rasist or have prejudices against foreigners, but believe me – there is enough of them to make your life if not bitter, then quite sour and cause you a decent amount of grief and economic disadvantage – because they own apartments and businesses and take control positions.

    In my opinion there is an equal ammount of both NZ European and NZ Polynesian “rasism” in New Zealand.

    Of course if you can call it “honest rasism”!

    Because the truth is New Zealanders are STRIVING to get married and partnered to foreigners, however foreigners are not ready to accept some very unpleasant aspects of New Zealand local culture.

    Such as – “I am a kiwi, I am always right!”, “If we have an argument, I’ll shout over you no matter what, even if I am wrong, because I am a kiwi and you are not”, local drug and alcohol habits, local personal abuse habits (verbal and emotional abuse, intrusion of privacy, etc, etc.).

    I have lived in New Zealand for a long time and it is clear to me today that for some kiwis (usually poor-educated ones, that did not invest into their education and now are struggling economically), TO ATTAIN a greater self-assurance, THEY ALMOST REQUIRE a decent amount of “FOREIGNER FIGURES” to reside in the country, whom they can mob, accuse of stealing jobs, abuse, swear at, in other words PREVAIL over them emotionally, to be successful themselves.

    Because the truth is – New Zealand is getting depopulated at an increasing rate and is in economic recession.

    Kiwis need help from outside but are too proud to admit they are in economic and political trouble.

    This even applies to everyone who is a foreigner BUT HAS BEEN naturalised in New Zealand, because even after you receive your KIWI PASSPORT and swear your allegiance to their Queen (or, Hey, kiwis can I call QEII “my monarch” now????), kiwis themselves will be still asking you about your ethnicity and your place of birth and may take decisions about you, such as employment based on your answers and their likes-dislike of what you said.

    These questions aren’t always meant to express their honest interest in foreign cultures, but quite often – their desire to find someone from abroad to prevail over economically.

    And yes, I agree this is disgusting and I believe New Zealand government needs to seriously address the issues of racial and ethnic harmony in our communities.

    My best advise to you – if you feel you are being unfairly disadvantaged because of your ethnic origin in New Zealand – COMPLAIN to New Zealand Human Rights commission!

    If they don’t reply – don’t just leave it, call them again and again until they attend to your complaint, and if mediation with the Human Rghts Commission is unsucessful – there is a Human Rights Tribunal to proceed further. Resist ethnic discrimination as much as you can, because you’ve got nothing to loose but your “ethnic chains” that make you a second class citizen/resident of New Zealand.

    WE ALL NEED TO PUT A DECENT EFFORT TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY FREE OF ALL FORMS OF DISCRIMINATION, so that it PRACTICALLY ABIDES BY ALL INTERNATIONAL CONVENTIONS IT HAS SIGNED.

  59. August 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    I disagree with your comments that Europeans comprise the majority of rasists, I am European and I am discriminated on the basis of ethnicity by both New Zealand Europeans and New Zealand Maori.

    I agree this truly shocking.

    Before coming to New Zealand I believed that it’s a new home for all nations on Earth: things like that were said to me years ago when I was a tourist to Australia and New Zealand.

    However once you immigrate these words turn into only words. Sadly – quite too often!

    Not many kiwis are rasist or have prejudices against foreigners, but believe me – there is enough of them to make your life if not bitter, then quite sour and cause you a decent amount of grief and economic disadvantage – because they own apartments and businesses and take control positions.

    In my opinion there is an equal ammount of both NZ European and NZ Polynesian “rasism” in New Zealand.

    Of course if you can call it “honest rasism”!

    Because the truth is New Zealanders are STRIVING to get married and partnered to foreigners, however foreigners are not ready to accept some very unpleasant aspects of New Zealand local culture.

    Such as – “I am a kiwi, I am always right!”, “If we have an argument, I’ll shout over you no matter what, even if I am wrong, because I am a kiwi and you are not”, local drug and alcohol habits, local personal abuse habits (verbal and emotional abuse, intrusion of privacy, etc, etc.).

    I have lived in New Zealand for a long time and it is clear to me today that for some kiwis (usually poor-educated ones, that did not invest into their education and now are struggling economically), TO ATTAIN a greater self-assurance, THEY ALMOST REQUIRE a decent amount of “FOREIGNER FIGURES” to reside in the country, whom they can mob, accuse of stealing jobs, abuse, swear at, in other words PREVAIL over them emotionally, to be successful themselves.

    Because the truth is – New Zealand is getting depopulated at an increasing rate and is in economic recession.

    Kiwis need help from outside but are too proud to admit they are in economic and political trouble.

    This even applies to everyone who is a foreigner BUT HAS BEEN naturalised in New Zealand, because even after you receive your KIWI PASSPORT and swear your allegiance to their Queen (or, Hey, kiwis can I call QEII “my monarch” now????), kiwis themselves will be still asking you about your ethnicity and your place of birth and may take decisions about you, such as employment based on your answers and their likes-dislike of what you said.

    These questions aren’t always meant to express their honest interest in foreign cultures, but quite often – their desire to find someone from abroad to prevail over economically.

    And yes, I agree this is disgusting and I believe New Zealand government needs to seriously address the issues of racial and ethnic harmony in our communities.

    My best advise to you – if you feel you are being unfairly disadvantaged because of your ethnic origin in New Zealand – COMPLAIN to New Zealand Human Rights commission!

    If they don’t reply – don’t just leave it, call them again and again until they attend to your complaint, and if mediation with the Human Rights Commission is unsucessful – there is a Human Rights Tribunal to proceed further, and if that fails – there is UN Human Rights Council and courts, such as European Human Rights Tribunal.

    Resist ethnic discrimination as much as you can, because you’ve got nothing to loose but your “ethnic chains” that make you a second class citizen/resident of New Zealand.

    WE ALL NEED TO PUT A DECENT EFFORT TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY FREE OF ALL FORMS OF DISCRIMINATION, so that it PRACTICALLY ABIDES BY ALL INTERNATIONAL CONVENTIONS IT HAS SIGNED.

  60. Robin Parilla
    August 1, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Thanks for all the posts… It has enlightened me… I am being offered New Zealand as my next assignment but after reading all this stuff, I think I will go to Jakarta… I have been staying at Sofitel for more than a year now, I have a Suite… I was supposed to transfer to Wellington but will advise my bosses of Jakarta. I am an Asian engineer so NZ might not be good for me and my family…

    • P Ray
      August 2, 2012 at 2:13 pm

      Sometimes people are transferred just before a company decides to fire them, and especially in a place where they will encounter a lot of hardship – make sure you are up on your employment law and know who else is interested in your skill set.
      Not every promotion or assignment is actually a vote of confidence in your abilities.

    • John
      August 6, 2012 at 1:56 pm

      “Good luck on that one – I had a knife pulled out on me there and was assaulted… Indonesias a great place!!!” – I was being sarcastic – for all you people that dont understand sarcasm… I wouldnt let my fathers pigs loose in that place They end up dead from the filth on the streets and the smell of raw sewerage.

  61. August 5, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    The fact is us New Zealanders, especially in Auckland dont want immigrants. They cant speak english properly and dont fit into the culture. Many real Kiwi’s dont say much but privately amoungst themselves immigrants are not liked nor wanted. I find white NZers and Maoris have the same opinion on this. Live with this fact.

    • P Ray
      August 5, 2012 at 11:57 pm

      That’s okay … you’re being bought over by … Europeans.
      Have fun being racist … to people who look just like you:

      http://www.avalonsguide.com/anab/2012/02/stop-selling-new-zealand-to-liechtenstein/

      Sold to Liechtensteinians 2144 Hectares. (More than 9 times what the Chinese have bought)
      As Nelson in the Simpsons says … “ha ha!”

    • Bruce
      July 5, 2014 at 6:53 pm

      I am NZ born but grew up in and worked in melanesia (pacific islands,png). heres another fact, europeans ,when they live in another country , dont even bother to learn the local language, and completley isolate themselves from the local culture. I know what its like to immigrate,it is a hard thing to do,but western europeans are the worst when it comes to assimilating into a foriegn culture.

  62. John
    August 6, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    After reading all the comments above I cant help but feel the people creating this board and the subsequent comments are racist against New Zealanders. I work in a company in NZ that has a large proportion of Indian and Chinese workers, not one of them would have experienced an ounce of racism or been abused/groped etc in the way that the above refers to. In fact just in my team 2 chinese guys got jobs before NZers and were very happy to have them in the team, one was a student who graduated from Auckland Uni and doesnt have anything bad to say about it.

    Auckland is approximately 23% Asian – after reading this board you’re saying every one ot these people has been abused in some way??? Give me a break I cannot believe that. Maybe you had a bad experience, Ive travelled the world and have had just as bad/worse experiences in Indonesia (knife pulled on me and assaulted), Thailand (gear stolen), Turkey (Gun pointed at me), UAE (verbally abused, theft from a hotel), Holland (assaulted) and India (gear stolen), none in France, Singapore, Hong Kong, Germany, Canada, Belgium, UK or the US – I wouldnt be small minded enough to think those entire countries, where something happened, are racist/or theiving scumbags just because of a couple bad apples… I would be justified though, and should be able to speak my mind about it as this board has demonstrated – maybe Ill set up my own hate board for these countries just as you all have.

    We have our problems – all countries do. But really its up to each and every individual to make themselves better or make the place a better place … Did any of you above try to change anything whilst in NZ – apply to do charity work, help out people in any way etc More than likely not. I would think you came for your own benefit, and more than likely other people noticed.

    To be honest we dont need people that moan and b*tch, its a good thing your gone!

    • E2NZ
      August 6, 2012 at 2:12 pm

      Thank you John, we see from your IP address that you are located at the ANZ National Bank.

      We’d like to hear from anyone who works for a bank in New Zealand who’s endured racism at work – either from colleagues or customers, or from anyone who’s been discriminated against by a NZ bank because of their race.

    • P Ray
      August 6, 2012 at 5:43 pm

      Are those Indian and Chinese workers – former international students, or New Zealanders?
      Because here’s one New Zealander … who can’t find work. Oh, and he’s Asian:

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6633785/Year-of-the-Dragon-white-or-wong

      Auckland is approximately 23% Asian – after reading this board you’re saying every one ot these people has been abused in some way???
      NZ is more than just Auckland.

      Did any of you above try to change anything whilst in NZ – apply to do charity work, help out people in any way etc More than likely not.
      Yeah, I did – unfortunately it’s kind of hard to help for the long term when the job that gives you a sense of purpose, that you’re pretty good at, with helping other people – only lasts 6 months in a year, and is not on the Skills Shortage List
      P.S. I gained a STEM qualification …. completely in NZ … and was told by recruitment agencies that “we don’t hire or place people on the graduate visa, and we only hire permanent residents”.
      Other people that I knew who were in the “help people” professions, who came from overseas … were told to “go home” despite pleas from their employers that they could not find a replacement, or that the ones they found – could not be relied on to help and care for the aged.

    • P Ray
      August 7, 2012 at 9:12 pm

      In fact just in my team 2 chinese guys got jobs before NZers and were very happy to have them in the team, one was a student who graduated from Auckland Uni and doesnt have anything bad to say about it.
      You can hire 10,000 immigrants if you want – but I doubt you are in charge of HR.
      How many of them will be around after the 90 day probationary period?
      P.S. How long have YOU been in your job. And do you think you will stay? :)

  63. joh james
    August 7, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Advice for ASIANS going to NZ: Avoid NZ at all cost…small country…haters of asians….no respect for you as an asian……They treat ASIANS as PIGS and treat you worse…
    GO to US of A or better UK..at least they implement anti-HATE crimes

  64. aotea
    August 8, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    from my experience YES….. Its horrible and getting worst…I feel that Ive have had to defend my maori culture all my life mainly at school and even in the workforce. It use to be sarcasim but now its just hateful, redneck racism. It is so bad these days that I have stopped reading the newpaper because Maori are always singled out in a negative way. Alot of us feel very isolated and worried about pakeha attitudes toward our culture..they are now saying that our hakas are embarrasing and stupid and our language is not worth speaking!!. They are also racist to our asian, indian and pacific island friends thats why these cultures may stick to their own too..makes sense really… they are intolerant, ignorant and believe all the anti maori crap that is feed to them everyday through the papers, tvs and certain politicians…

    I dont understand why they are like this. Maori culture is awesome, its has art (carvings, ta mokos), language (Te Reo), Music & performance (Waiatas and Hakas, ta mokos) modern cuisine using maori herbs, kai moana etc…mythology, traditions and protocols … it truly is a cool and worthwhile culture and Im so proud of this…but they dont want to know, they dont care…they are not sensitive to other cultures….they expect maori to give this all up ,,for what,,,they have no culture,,, nothing unique to offer, no history, no language (just english woopty doo…if you are in NZ studying or on holiday, dont take shit and be proud of your culture and watch them squirm…they are just jealous cos they have none..

    Now sorry, this is not all pakeha just the majority!!

    • P Ray
      August 10, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      Hi aotea (you seem to be channelling that half-Scottish Maori academic, Margaret Mutu, along with her weird ideas): (Permit me a ramble – oh wait, it’s not your blog, JK :) )

      It seems there’s always someone who says a solution is “Get Whitey(and everyone else who pays honest taxes)” when things go wrong – and it’s even funnier when it’s the same people who have previously got concessions from said “Whitey(and everyone else who pays honest taxes)” … who say they want to get along with Africans, Asians, Europeans Hispanics, Semites
      but …
      are the people who keep saying New Zealand is “bicultural” (i.e. “Pakeha” (in quotes since Caucasians, and me, find that offensive) and Maori – wait, are there any full-blooded ones?)
      – Maori means “normal/natural/ordinary”. Yes, I have some Te Reo background.
      – why do they want solidarity with the people they previously consciously excluded (Africans, Asians, Europeans, Hispanics, Semites)?

      If you keep calling NZ “bicultural”, don’t be surprised if everybody else thinks they are not welcome and do their darndest to use it as a stepping stone.

      What I even find more amazing is that those who are given every opportunity to succeed – CUP courses where marks are given for attendance! – preferential hiring despite past criminal records (I’m fully aware that everyone in prison is innocent :) ) – apparent preference for jobs regardless of educational background (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/a_racist_ad_by_candle.html) – lowered entry requirements for Med school (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10813483 : the golden takeaway gem comes from Ranginui Walker: “It only takes an IQ of 100 to succeed in medicine. It’s not rocket science.” hahaha :) ) – can either mess up so so so badly, or think they don’t have to lift a finger to succeed or need to fairly compete against anyone else.

      How many Maoris marched with the 10,000 Asians against crime and snatch theft, or any foreign visitor who had their things stolen?

      How many kaumatua tell their tamariki that saying “Whiwhia he mahi tuuturu?” How many say that crime is shameful? Yes, there is a lot of mamae in my ngakau.

      I’ve been to the boonies in NZ, and had a chance to look at posters saying, as an example “Men who smoke are weak weak weak” … the problem with that the present-day culture based completely around physicality is that it emphasises returns for the short term … and not the long. “Jake the Muss”/”being staunch” is a “result” that sustainable civilisation cannot bear in large numbers.

      So you’ll perhaps excuse this statement, but I don’t think people who keep on emphasising how “bicultural” NZ is, and how “because of past oppression of my people, I can be criminal or apathetic towards those in the present who didn’t perpetrate that original crime” … can claim solidarity with people who try to build lives of legitimacy and purpose while those previous people are doing their utmost to secure an unfair advantage based on sentiment.
      To paraphrase Anonymous, (Immigrants are)”Not your private army”.

      I hope I don’t hear that tired nonsense “We must raise our standards and values” …
      remember: A world-class level of education – comes with a world class number of failures. Raising the standards is going to mean more of that. Not to mention, without opportunity – your best and brightest will be going overseas, while immigrants try to build a life on a lower pay scale – and the people who fail because of the raised standards will start saying that “we can upskill to the level of these immigrants easily (who had to meet university academic prerequisites, and study for years), jobs for kiwis (How realistically sustainable is that?)”.
      Every stable society … can only continue to exist if reciprocation is apparent.
      Remove that, and you are going to be paying more to a growing class of unproductive, criminal elements who ask to be paid off via “protection money”.
      Sounds like Mafia to me…

      The other funny thing is of course, the relations-between-sexes bit.
      Some NZers are not comfortable with the idea they may have to share their women and men with outsiders.
      Problem: when ethnics are “unofficially banned” via social ostracism (how often do you see photos of non-“Pakeha”/non-Maori in nightspots? or having fun with others?) and relational aggression from legitimately mixing with their NZ counterparts via marriage (seems hookups are okay) – they form ghettoes of their own.

      Problem: when ethnics can mix with their NZ counterparts, they get flak from obvious racists … some of whom may be their own parents, like in the UK: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184351/David-Frances-Champion-Parents-jailed-battering-daughter-just-black-boyfriend.html

      P.S. These attitudes, have been predicted by New Scientist in 2007 … to leave 30% of all NZ/Australian women born since 1975 – without a partner, EVER.

      These problems will exist, and will persist, so long as some people in NZ think they can or should stop immigrants from putting down roots in NZ.

      What I’ve seen: it’s not a “Pakeha”/Maori problem – it’s an NZ problem, PERIOD. Don’t hit me with the jade patu or hardwood taiaha – it’s true, and I’m only the messenger. I’m pretty sure “Bic” Runga’s experience growing up (she’s Maori-Chinese, had such an interesting time of “racial harmony” in NZ that she left) … bears out my point.
      Oh yeah, in b4 Godwin’s Law, Hitler, Nazi, etc. etc.
      What solutions do you have, aotea?

      • P Ray
        August 26, 2012 at 7:18 am

        An example of preferential hiring despite a criminal record (this guy is allegedly a paedophile)

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7545601/Turangis-firebomb-fury


        Darren Simon Kihi released to Turangi, where he’d been on work release for two years, and had guaranteed employment.

        anecdotally, I was told by domestic students … that prisoners lived better than them … mmm, heated floors, lovely meals, guaranteed job. Anyone see the problem here?

      • Liss
        October 17, 2012 at 11:12 am

        I do apologize, but there seemed to be little structure or coherence in your post so I’ll admit I’m a little confused by your comment. I hope you are able to offer some clarification.
        I take it from your response to Aotea, you are not to sympathetic to Maori.
        What I would like to ask you to clarify is why you believe it is acceptable to advocate on a forum which is opposed to racism whilst engaging in said behavior?
        Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong and I’m paraphrasing, but I believe you inferred that; Maori are unsuccessful in academics and believe they do not have to “lift a finger to succeed or need to fairly compete against anyone else”.
        You believe Maori do not sympathize with the 10,000 Asians who marched against crime. As a Maori I was very concerned about fellow kiwis who were affected by these crimes. But why bother asking when you have already passed judgement on Maori?
        Whiwhia he magi tuuturu? What exactly are you implying? I come from a large extended family and everyone is employed in meaningful jobs, attending University and Polytechnic.
        I ask of you honestly, do not Maori strive to build a legitimate life with purpose for themselves and their family? If not, why? Because of the colour of our skin, the minute 0.0002% difference in DNA? Class distinctions? Give me a logical reason why these racist beliefs should apply to ALL Maori, yet you feel it is unacceptable for kiwis to impose the same behavior and mentality on immigrants?
        Also, regarding hook ups and marriages, wtf are you on about?!
        I have 26 first cousins, every single one of them is married to a NON-Maori immigrant from Europe, Asia, USA & the Pacific. Where do you get these ‘facts’ from?
        Your notions are quaint and idealistic, please move into the 21st century with the rest of us.
        To be succinct; you may camouflage your prejudice in ambiguous and rambling paragraphs, but a rose by any other name would still reek of covert racism.

        • P Ray
          October 17, 2012 at 2:37 pm

          @Liss: I think I understand what you’re saying.
          To put it in a line, you are saying:
          People who speak out against racism, are racist.
          But please, carry on with your twisted rationalisations.
          After all, consequences are the only thing that will teach some people.
          P.S. Tolerance isn’t acceptance.

          • P Ray
            October 17, 2012 at 3:19 pm

            Yes, in my extended family I also have people married to those of other ethnicities. Male AND female.
            Your notion that people should not stand up for equitable treatment in a country that prides itself on being classless and accepting of immigrants, is the quaint one.
            Please join us in the 21st Century, where the people who didn’t wrong you … don’t take the blame for what other people did!
            And realise that when a “rare privilege” becomes an “statutory obligation” … you can expect that without careful monitoring and adherence to standards – across the board – that all will suffer from a reduction in competence AND higher fees from those who are.
            If you care about the future of NZ … you’d certainly think it wise not to alienate the people who’ve given up a chunk of their life savings to invest in your country to the best of their ability and to get by without affirmative action.

        • P Ray
          October 22, 2012 at 9:45 pm

          This was in reply to “Lisylis” (is that you, Liss?), on the page http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/sean-plunket/7839270/Treaty-mars-efforts-to-make-Waitangi-special

          tbird22 hours ago

          People need to learn what racism is. Racism is NOT having a personal opinion about someone else’s culture. Racism is NOT describing your attacker to police. Racism is not reading out facts.

          Racism is forcing races to be segregated, different water fountains, different movie theatres, back of the bus type thing. Racism is saying white people and Asians need 89% GPA to do Medicine at uni, but reserving seats for a special race. Racism is saying that white people and Asians need to pay full fees for their counselling for depression, while letting a special race have it for free. Racism is making everyone pay money to a particular race.

          An worst of all… in our parliament, in the place they make the laws we must all follow… In a country with 6th gen Kiwis, Chinese, Samoan, Indian, Tongan, English, Korean, Dutch, Niuean, South African, Filipino, and hundreds of other “ethnicities” – we have parliamentary seats reserved for a few over-paid, lazy, Maori elite.

          That, Lisylis, is racism.

    • Kelsey
      March 28, 2013 at 11:10 am

      Isn’t it a big racist to say that Europeans have “nothing unique to offer, no history, no language?” THat is as ignorant and racist statement as those that have been made about your culture. Europe has a rich and diverse history and culture, and is really a melting pot. Think the Romans, Etruscans, Greeks, Turkish civilisation, the Celts, and all the leaps and bounds we have made. THe English language shows our history through the amount of languages that make it up.It is downright ignorant to say that Europeans have no culture, and shows your racism. All cultures, Maori, Pacifika, European, African, Chines, Japanese, ALL are worthwile. ALL have unique things to offer. I absolutely love studying foreign languages and cultures as I I said, they all have unique histories and perspectives to offer.

  65. NZ born and raised
    August 10, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Ever since primary school I’ve openly experienced racism because I’m of Chinese ethnicity, rest assured it only grew worse in high school.

    Do you know how bad it is to not feel welcomed in your own country. Even if I wanted to learn Chinese and live in China, I’d always be a foreigner there also. So yeah, I don’t have a place where I can really feel accepted.

    If I feel this way, I only worry about vulnerable Muslims who may be exploited by radical clerics. But maybe it’ll take something drastic for the bigoted population to ponder their ways.

    Hate is so much baggage – American History X, you lot should watch it. I plan to move to LA one day where there is less hate for an Asian like me.

    • P Ray
      September 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      If you have a New Zealand passport you become much more desirable to girls overseas from non-Western countries. Hang on to it!
      Quite a lot of love nowadays, is a transaction between a man and a woman. Things have certainly modernised.

    • Anna
      September 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm

      I am sorry to hear about your experiences in New Zealand. Even though I am white, I have faced a lot of bigotry, bullying and sheer nastiness at work (with a government agency) because I am a ‘migrant’. I have travelled and lived in several different countries but have never felt so lonely or isolated as I do in NZ and I can’t wait to leave. Now I am saving all I can to get away as soon as possible. I think that’s just how kiwis are, they hate anyone different from them. Your idea to leave NZ is probably the best way forward. America may not be ideal though. I looked at working in America and found that they have no statutory entitlement to annual leave. Also, there is no such thing as paid maternity leave. Canada is a bit better, with 10 days entitlement to annual leave and maternity leave. My father lives in Vancouver and is married to a lady from Hong Kong and, as far as I have heard from them, they haven’t encountered the kind of racism people get here in NZ. Maybe you should look at Canada as well. Anyway, the best of luck with everything.

  66. August 11, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Did you know that there’s something called ‘United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights’ exists?

    I am not clear whether this comes on top of ‘Human Rights Commission of New Zealand’. Here’s the link – http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/WelcomePage.aspx

    Has anyone approached this UN office for their concerns on racism in NZ?

  67. JC
    August 12, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I am a Caucasian Kiwi who works in a call centre for a bank.

    It is a very diverse workplace.

    The first thing I hear from many of our customers is “Oh it’s so good to speak to somebody who can speak English. I’ve just hung up on the last representative I was talking to and called back in because I couldn’t understand a word he was saying – he sounded Asian or something.”

    If I look at the notes from the previous rep, often he’s a guy with a masterate level qualification doing the same job for the same pay as myself (a high school dropout).

    It’s also fairly typical that the Mongoloid on the phone has no source of income bar the benefit, (which flies out of the account in a typically depressing round of KFC, TAB and King Dicks) and can barely articulate themselves due to the effects of endemic foetal alcohol
    syndrome, inbreeding and a culturally mandated lack of imagination.

    I find conversation with the migrant folks I work with is frequently much more satisfying than the banal groundhog day babble of rugby, beer and hows-the-weather you get from a large number of kiwis.

    They’re simply smarter.

    If I was a well qualified migrant engaged in any job which involved dealing with the New Zealand public, I would certainly resent my situation in life.

  68. ng
    August 12, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    The lesson above and beyond all arguments is simple, TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED….

    So if pakeha or white kiwis display an overwhelming amount of racism, then perhaps all of the immigrants should seriously consider pulling themselves out of the NZ economy, in other words all the small businesses (and there are a hell of a lot of them owned by migrants) should close (I wonder what that would do to tax revenue and socio economics in NZ?), they should all cash up and pull their money out of the banks and take it to some other place, all the students who come to study should also find an alternative and yank their respective dollars out of the economy when this happens the chain effect will be that there’ll be no people to rent or buy the property or cars or anything else, thereby creating a domino economic effect,

    NZ could go broke within weeks (not saying that it already isn’t but it would be worse) since if you pull the migrants and their respective value out of the economy there is not a lot left.. As a result of this some of our largest trading partners who are India and China could cut Free trade agreements which would royally screw over a large % of the export market that NZ is so dependant on…

    As a result what would be left here in NZ if all of these actions were to take place? “Some say oh that scenario will never happen” sure so its the extreme end of possibilities BUT the point is this, if indeed migrants and this is not exclusive to any particular group of migrants but any and all who have chosen NZ as their home were to hypothetically be erased from New Zealand, this country would be far poorer than what it is currently, and at a political level due to the sheer lack of revenue the Govt. would receive, spending on social and state services such as welfare and health would probably get axed, the parity between the middle class / elite wealthy pakeha and the poorer kiwis and Maori would become even more abundant and would most likely result in significant civil unrest causing more trouble….

    So to all the so called kiwis who have happily adopted the attitudes of racism, consider that you, your country and everything in it could be completely screwed if there were no migrants, if you ethnically cleansed migrants tomorrow you would just bitch and fight between yourselves until there would be very little left but a degenerate isolated population…

  69. August 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Act only got 1% of the vote. Unfortunately the Conservative party have popped up. Swapped one racist bunch of clowns for another…

    Don’t worry though, I think most New Zealanders dislike this minority of idiots.

  70. August 15, 2012 at 10:16 am

    New Zealand is an atheist country, so why are people surprised that it’s so racist? Just like how Sweden, Denmark, and every other atheist country is extremely racist.

    To all the racists in NZ don’t worry, you have lots of atheists their to protect you from being criticized for being racist so you’re free to be as racist as you want!

    • P Ray
      August 16, 2012 at 12:11 am

      I dunno, I didn’t see a lot of faces with different shades at the churches.
      They were either almost completely ethnic – or almost completely NZ-er.
      Nothing in between.
      For an “atheist country” as you say, they sure have a lot of religious holidays, e.g. Saint Patrick’s Day, Christmas break …
      I think at some level some people living there still believe that the “coloreds shouldn’t mix with their betters”.
      It’s reflected in the gender skew in interracial marriages.

      • September 23, 2012 at 7:25 am

        I saw this atheist group at the University I attend, everyone there was White, the place was like a White supremacy organization.

        Sweden, Denmark, and New Zealand are all atheist countries and they are the most racist countries in the entire world.

        The racism in these countries is directly caused by the atheist population.

        What the atheist population specifically causes is a lack of opposition and criticism towards racism.

        Since there’s no criticism or opposition towards racism people are free to be as racist as they want.

        The atheist community has remained silent in opposition towards racism so we know where they stand on the racism issue.

        I mean we know where atheists stand on things like gay rights, abortion, and Intelligent Design.

        • P Ray
          September 23, 2012 at 1:35 pm

          That’s funny, ’cause I saw religious people behave in very patronising ways towards people not of their race, while in New Zealand.
          Being religious no more makes you good, like being in a parking spot makes you a car.

        • P Ray
          September 23, 2012 at 4:01 pm

          One sample of what passes for religious flyers in NZ:

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10835898

          “The crudely written flyers have shown up across the small Bay of Plenty town. It appeared the material had been downloaded from fanatical creationist websites.

          “Are you a racist? You are if you believe in evolution!” the letter states.

          “Kids are taught in school that man evolved (changed) from a chimp. So I ask you who changed the most from a black chimp with black hair and brown eyes? A black man with black hair and brown eyes? Or a white man with blond hair and blue eyes?”

  71. AJ
    August 23, 2012 at 10:18 am

    John says: “I work in a company in NZ that has a large proportion of Indian and Chinese workers, not one of them would have experienced an ounce of racism or been abused/groped etc in the way that the above refers to.”

    Perhaps the employees don’t want to burden their employers with any of their personal troubles, want to get their job done and move on.

    From what I’m reading, I think it’s completely plausible that New Zealand is an awful place to work for talented Asians (I have no idea why they wouldn’t opt for the US like the Bay Area). I’ve heard similar things about places in Australia from my family living there. I believe it was Nouriel Roubini, the economist, who is predicting Europe to be the playground for Chinese and Indian investors. In the scheme of things, New Zealand is a tiny island compared to the value that Europe brings. I suspect New Zealand will be bought and made civilized by rich investors in the not too distant future. Probably last in the list of priorities though. Perhaps your bank AZN sees the same future.

    • P Ray
      August 26, 2012 at 7:12 am

      I have no idea why they wouldn’t opt for the US like the Bay Area
      Apparently what some companies do for foreign talent to gain the H1B visa, is to have them sign over 90% of their wages in exchange for placement.
      Or fraudulently represent the talents, based on racial stereotypes, e.g. “All Asians are good at math”.So-called “Positive racism” is also a problem.

  72. Mike
    September 3, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Its not turning into a racist country, its always been a racist country, try growing up Maori in the 70’s and 80’s

  73. Deserted Kiwi
    September 5, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Any immigrant reading this true life judgement would have to think twice about migrating to NZ….

    Editorial: Judge leaves himself wide open to criticism

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10830934

    White offender + white judge versus Korean immigrant

    The perception is that immigrants will get no suppport there with the Kiwis telling them `Get out of my way`’ and you will be treated like an ant to be trodden upon and limping your life away there.
    Does’t the banker at his level know about priorities and postponing a music recording appointment?
    Poor Mr Kim who has been badly hurt, separated from his family and yet has to continue struggling….

    • Wakeupmates
      September 15, 2012 at 11:51 pm

      If mind has got a form then these kiwi minds look exactly like a kiwi bird.. Very small means narrow minded, looking down means ignorant! They don’t want to look around.. adding to that they are stressed, intolerant and incompetent… Its one of the nature’s weird creations, no race in the world will have these much of negative qualities…!!

  74. Lara
    September 16, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    This is the white person dream: Immigrants who work hard for them, get paid a lot less but pay a lot more tax, don’t mind getting beaten up or abused, stay to themselves as much as possible (segregation is the best solution) and NEVER inter-marry with them.

    That would make them the most happy. Actually no, the happiest they’d be is if we went back to slavery, except we didn’t complain about it. Whip us, kills us, lynch us.

    What kind of animals are you? Get over yourselves.

    • Multi-generational NZ Pakeha
      October 16, 2012 at 7:33 pm

      That is not this white person’s dream. That is not the dream of many white people.

      I would find it incredibly horrible, miserable, and disturbing to witness, let alone inflict, the damage you stereotype me (according to my race) as wanting to do.

      And I have no problem with inter-race marriage. Many of my friends or acquaintances are in inter-race marriages.

      I’m not an animal, and neither are you. Some would say we are animals. I don’t.

      It’s a good idea to think before you type, or even while you type, eh?

  75. Maggie
    September 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    New Zealand is a great country, and that’s a fact. But like every country there are something’s that they all struggle with, and I do agree with you. Racism is one of them. 7 years ago I was adopted by my aunty and her white partner. At the age of ten it like a dream come true to come into a new country and start a new life, but nothing prepared me for the cruelty I greeted with when I started school. I am a PI (Samoan) and my mum now is Samoan too, but she and her husband prefer the white culture predominantly. I was brought up speaking properly, and went to an all-white school and still am. In intermediate I was not accepted at all, everyday young kids around my age would walk up to me and say “go back to your own country you brown buga” to my face. Every day was hard I was either greeted with a inappropriate statements or sworn to with my own language. However I never thought that these experiences I was having as a ten year old would ever last up till now. I understand the feeling of not being accepted just because of your race, or your colour but the funny thing is now I am a seventeen year old I don’t get racist comments from the white community I get them from my own. Growing up in a predominantly white family has really changed me. I don’t have an islander accent, and I hold myself differently from how many other island kids do. The white no longer laugh at me instead it’s the brown saying things like “you wana be white!” the truth is racism is present everywhere and sadly in New Zealand as well.

  76. sun
    September 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    yeah. i came back to Korea 4 yrs ago and i still miss N.Z somehow but wat da writer said is so true.
    i did undergraduate degree in Vic in Welly and while m studying i was furious and dissapointed with attitudes some kiwis n maoris showed.
    they cursed on me when i walk on da street with ma fds n we were doing nth but walkin.
    like “f***ing Asian just go bk to ur country”. some threw da cans, eggs, even bottles. sometimes dey threaten me n ma fds by chasing us. even kids followed me n ma Asian fds n said sth bad. i dnt no y. i hv done nth bad or illegal.

    becuz of da tuition fee we pay(which is at least 4 times expensive dan domestic Ss), dey
    get free or cheaper education, n becuz of da money we spent on their country, dey can grow their economy. wen i stayed in dere, ma family often came n bought so many things, n me either. other asians also contribute N.Z economy.
    dey do not consider dat fact but just blame Asians to tk over their country.

    • LOLCAKE
      July 29, 2013 at 10:19 pm

      LOL…

  77. More Kiwi than Pom
    October 14, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Every person of every nationality has, at some point, been treated in some form of racist manner or other.
    I’ve lived in NZ for 30 years, I was a kid when we emigrated from the UK.
    I lived and went to school in Mt Wellington, Auck in the early 80’s and lived on a street where the Samoan, Tongan, Cook Island, and Maori families fought amongst themselves almost constantly.
    My Indian next door neighbour was beaten up by the local ‘Maori boys’ for being a ‘wog’
    I was spit on, had my hair pulled, pushed into the street, and chased home from school by the Maori girl across the street…her mother chased me from the park next to her house brandishing a machete while calling me a ‘little white bitch’ because the swing was squeaking too loudly!
    As a teenager I had a school desk thrown at me by a Tongan girl because I ‘looked’ at her boyfriend, I was pushed into the school pool and held under the water in a case of mistaken identity by a Maori girl who thought I was the ‘Pakeha slut’ who screwed her boyfriend!
    When I did have a Maori boyfriend, I received constant abuse from other Maori, not other Pakeha!!
    I’ve now married into a family that considers themselves to be white (they are mostly 1/8th and 1/16th Maori) but my brother-in-laws wife is a Maori girl who is constantly having digs, and sneering at my kids when they speak maori, do kapa haka, wear their pounamu. She tells me and them that we are diluting her culture and bringing shame to her people…are you fricken kidding me?!?!

    I take pride in the fact that I AM A KIWI
    I ALWAYS try to use Maori language correctly and appropriately, and I treat EVERYBODY with a level of respect that I haven’t always received in return and yet I, the immigrant, the Pakeha, am the one who is racist?!?!!

    This country WAS NOT built by one race alone…and some ‘minorities’ need to remember that!!!

    • P Ray
      October 17, 2012 at 3:26 pm

      ^ Can identify with that effort of “making attempts to get along” and being treated with contempt.
      Then, you’re racist if you point out the bad treatment. Wassupwiddat?

  78. Multi-generational NZ Pakeha
    October 15, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    I (a multi-generational European-ancestry-only NZer) volunteered at a ESL class a while back. Loved it. Sure, most of them spoke poor English. But they were trying (and gradually succeeding), and they were friendly and hard-working.

    Sadly, it can cause friction when a person from another culture does something absolutely out of place in our own culture. It does tend to cause disruption, but patience and general benevolence goes a long way to battle the ill-will it can cause.

    I myself am quite multi-lingual (I speak German, Spanish, and Old English to a decent degree of fluency, and I am learning also Mandarin Chinese, Maori, Dutch, and Quechua). I am learning Maori to show respect for the tangata whenua, and because it’s one thing maybe I can do to ease race relations.

    It is miserable that so many people (of all kinds of ethnic backgrounds – I certainly don’t feel the love from a certain portion of Maoridom) have racial hatered for/prejudice against others. It’s definately not just New Zealand, and I don’t think New Zealand is even especially bad. China (look up Lou Jing), USA, Australia, Europe, Africa, etc., all have supply enough of racist-minded people. Believe it.

    I would like it if more Maori acknowledged their non-Maori ancestors. It annoys me when I hear something along the lines of “…your ancestors (raped the land)…” when the ancestors in question are, in fact, shared ancestors.

    Some popular-enough myths (like that the Moriori lived on mainland NZ before the Maori and were slaughtered by Maori – that latter part was true, but they didn’t live on the mainland) probably don’t help Maori-with-non-Maori race relations.

    Off topic, but have any other cyclists experienced abusive drivers (e.g. the ones who go out of their way to roll down their window and swear at you and tell you to get off the road)? Apart from the little racism I’ve experienced from afar in NZ, that kind of experience has helped understand what suffering racist hatered feels like… Ugh.

    I think maybe the name of this page should have been “New Zealand is still a really racist country”.

    To a less racist future!

  79. October 15, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Hello all, I happened to listen to the Newstalk ZB radio on 9 October 2012 at 1235 am and was surprised that the DJ made a racist comment when a female listener called Sue called up and told him about the costs of living these days as compared to paying only $10 a week in rent in earlier times.
    Then, Sue said she cooked rice and ate the rice with some vegetables for 2 or 3 days to be thrifty. And guess what the DJ said….`’You will be getting slanted eyes soon’. If we have a public figure who makes such derogatory comments on the Asians I assume, the racist ball gets thrown around….’ I have heard of this stereotyped remark made to Asians as rice is their staple….Someone might want to make an official complaint but I won’t waste my time…they might delete that part of the recording.

  80. john
    October 21, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Hey just sharing my experiences from living here all my life. I am asian and i was born here in NZ. I have been alive here for around 20 years and i can tell you i have had experiences that i consider now a normal part of my life. School life was hell, i would be racially abused atleast once a month but never physically, I made good friends. The thing is all this abuse has made me mentally ill, i find it so difficult to look or speak to a white person because i am so afraid of the racial abuse i might recieve. My teacher would always tell us that life gets better, Hell no if you look different and below average in their eyes, your fked. I got my first job at a supermarket, my god the customers are ****ing disgusting. Alot of these ***holes think i cant speak or understand english so they think they have the right to say abusive things and get away with it. Luckily i am a person who just ignores it and walks away. I am now studying in higher tertiary and i dont think i want to work in this place when i graduate. in my opinion the adults are far worse than highschool. However not everyone is so narrowminded. I have made many white friends and still hang out with them. These adults are mostly uneducated average ****head citizens. I wish i was never born here and i wish i had the money to leave. The lifestyle here is really good compared to countries such as china and india. However there are times i just feel like i would rather work 1$ a day in a factory then deal with alot of ***holes.

    • Geewiz
      October 22, 2012 at 9:10 am

      I think its more about them finding any excuse to bully! There is an absolute culture of bullies in NZ. Maybe the only discipline applied to kids is bullying and mind games by parents in the absence of corporal punishment! Very little direct honest communication but lots of bullying and manipulation as a relationship style. Lets face it, with one of the highest suicide rates in the world, they not exactly sane and happy folk are they?

      • Multi-generational NZ Pakeha
        October 22, 2012 at 11:12 am

        I think you’re probably right. There is a heck of a lot of bullying that goes on (in New Zealand, but also elsewhere – think Amanda Todd) racism is one facade for it. There are a ton of others (whether you have enough money or too much, whether you are uneducated or too educated, whether or not you use a bicycle to get around, what sports you play, how large your nose is, what swearwords your name rhymes with, what neighbourhood you live in, etc.)

        Note: I have not experienced most of these facades for bullying, but I am aware of all of them.

        Sadly, I think a lot of NZers school life is hell. Kids can kill, really.

  81. Asimar
    October 22, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    I don’t give a sh** if some local idiot shows racism towards me…i just think he is a fool and because of too many fools like him his country need talented people like us from overseas. at least thinking that way makes me do my work better and i actually feel more superior than him. There is no doubt my new country (nz) has some racist idiots but there is no shortage of good and welcoming ppl over here!!! So if one idiot tells you to go back to your own country, just think he is just one idiot who is good for nothing and is jealous of you. Anyways he has no power to kick you out from this country so his stupid comments has no weight… the country needs you and thats why you have been granted a citizenship:) There is no doubt nz will have lots of overseas population in future and thats a fact. The modern nz will be a mix of asian ( inc indian , arabic, chinese), european, maori and pacific culture, not just maori and pakeha culture- its a fact and we must respect each other.

    • P Ray
      October 24, 2012 at 9:24 am

      You will either have to:
      1. “go back to your own country” if you cannot find a job in your field as an immigrant that is on the skills shortage list to get your longer stay approved, or
      2. “become an illegal immigrant” if you decide to become an overstayer.
      3. have the funds to survive without a job for some years including the costs of the expression of interest and hope it works out, then worry more about the future.

      They don’t need “power to kick you out”.
      They just need to ignore, downplay or exclude your achievements in NZ when your resume lands on their desk.
      The bodies of government then get involved when your time is up or you decide to move on.
      It’s really quite simple.

  82. October 29, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Ever heard of an anti-racism campaign that targeted any group other than people of European descent as “racists?”
     
    All anti-Whites ever do is make excuse after excuse to turn every White country into a non-White country. 

    All anti-Whites ever do is rationalize and justify White children living as minorities in every country their ancestors built. 

    All anti-Whites ever do is justify genocide of White children, and only White children.
     
    Anti-racism is a codeword for anti-White. 

    whiterabbitradio.net

    • P Ray
      October 29, 2012 at 11:35 pm

      See

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/julie-middleton/news/article.cfm?a_id=100&objectid=10118242

      Foreign workers face battle to win jobs
      By Julie Middleton

      “Maori raters imposed ethnic penalties as did Pakeha. However, Asian raters judged Asian and Pakeha applicants similarly.”

      So, don’t worry, it’s not just “people of European descent” in NZ that are racist – as usual,
      it is “racists in NZ, that are racist”.
      P.S. If for some reason your birth rates are below replacement level, you might perhaps want to take it up with the women of your country, and ask them why they are choosing to not have babies, to live up to David Lane’s Aryan supremacy 14 words: “We must secure the existance of our people and a future for white children.”
      Bonus points to you if you can get it without the cooperation of the rest of the world … that isn’t European.

  83. chen_new
    November 8, 2012 at 1:38 am

    My wife (Chinese) and I lived in Taiwan and other countries in Asia for years. After experiencing lots of racism – no ability to get a passport, vote, credit card, protection of the law, discrimination against us and our children etc. we came to NZ. Yes, there is racism, but at least we can both have citizenship, as can our children, we can have bank accounts, our kids can go to public schools, we are protected under the law, and we can have any job we wish if we are good enough. And we have good jobs here. Our kids can be what they want. Racism is no good anywhere. It happens everywhere and it is not good. Stop racism everywhere.

    • E2NZ
      November 8, 2012 at 10:10 am

      Hello Chen_New, please can you clarify where you are when you say “here” as it appears that your profile is placing you in T’ai-pei, Taiwan.

    • P Ray
      November 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm

      no ability to get a passport, vote, credit card
      Passport and vote are tied to your CITIZENSHIP.
      Whether you get a credit card is tied to whether you have a steady INCOME (I do believe they ask for payslips – and there is a minimum amount).
      Hey, I didn’t get a credit card in NZ – DISCRIMINATION!
      You didn’t mention anything about being permanent residents – which is the first step to getting citizenship – it isn’t handed to you on a platter, you know, and takes time.

      I would like to know, besides NZ … where a permanent resident can vote,
      and where in the world you can get a credit card – when you don’t have a job?

      we can have bank accounts
      I’d definitely like to know more about this place/places, where you can’t have bank accounts. The investment profile must be rather … dismal.

      There are 52 countries in Asia, in which ones were you treated so badly?

      • Rups
        November 16, 2012 at 4:26 pm

        Its a shame that people limit their life options to whether they get citizenship or bank accounts or credit cards or even jobs..Racism in true sense means that someone does not have any respect for you due to your origin of birth. While you may consider it a previlage to have these after being denied in other countries (unsure why someone would deny you a bank account).

        There are many who come to countries like NZ not so that they can get all these things, but so that they can have quality of life. When you are insulted and treated with hostility every day of your life, having PR or ability to vote or bank accounts seems much meagre. However, the country thrives on all those who consider it to be a previlage to have these things.

        In short, apart from the natural beauty- the country does not have anything to offer at this stage. It is only good for people who feel ‘grateful’ and do any jobs and live in misery just for the so-called PR or citizenship.

  84. Maya
    November 8, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    For a long time, about 15years, my assumption that New Zealanders are very friendly and there is no/hardly any racism in this country made me not see the reality of daily racism that I encounter these days when I go for shopping. Previously, I simply was blinded and did not see it.

    I started to notice how New Zealand shop assistance/manager, check out counter simply ignore Asian customers. They do not greet Asians while greeting all other customers, try hard not to serve Asians by letting other staff deal with Asians. I mean not all, but many people do.

    Since I noticed this, I started feel like a 2nd citizen in this society.

    However, this simple racism seems not recognised easily even among Asians. Like how I did not noticed it previously, I’ve noticed that even my Asian friends have never noticed it and treated me as if i was ‘too sensitive’. After some time, one of them told me that similar incident happened to her and she started to open up her eyes. It leaves only ‘hurt’ though. I was happier when I didn’t notice the discrimination.

    – I went into a shoe shop that was well known in this city for a family business over 50years. I’ve been there several times, but noticed that I was never greeted while seeing all other customers were greeted when they came in. On this day, I tried a couple of boots that I was interested in. No one served me so I left the booths holder(inside the boots thing) next to the boots after trying them out, I put the boots back, but didn’t put the inside things back into the boots. Soon, one of the shop assistant passed by me and said (without looking at me) quietly, “You should put the things in.” (Not exact words, but this meaning is implied). Then, I got really cross and said also quietly, “I think this is your JOB to do, isn’t it?” And then I started to complain to her of their service. She said, do you want to talk to my manager?” So, I did. The manager who is one of the family members of this small shoe shop said literally , “Are you mad?” (against my racism remark). The manager accepted (not apology) that her staff definitely did wrong, but she still didn’t accept that it is part of racism. And she insisted that they hire Asian worker as well. So, they are not racist. In the end the nervous shop assistant who went away came back to us and apologized to me and told her boss that what she said was true. But, the manager insisted that there was not racism in the context and she said, “Maybe you are invisible!” – I hope the shop lasts another 50years.( You know I’m joking. ;-)).

    I asked the hop assistant if she would have ever said the same thing to a white customer. She couldn’t say anything.

    There are many simple invisible racism/discrimination that I can see now. I don’t know how to deal with this without getting hurt too much. Maybe one slowly starts to just accept the reality…that I am 2nd citizen in this society.

    • P Ray
      November 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm

      I’ve noticed that even my Asian friends have never noticed it and treated me as if i was ‘too sensitive’
      Your Asian friends are trying to “buy good” of people who are racist towards them.
      (I was told by a female Asian Residential Assistant at university, that racism was just “people playing the fool”)
      Not to worry, let them finish their education …
      when the time comes for the job market,
      or even to interact for the purposes of building families,
      … their eyes will be opened wide enough to see that you were right.

  85. Maya
    November 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    I agree, one day they will. Ideally, those days should not come, thoguth…better world by that time. :-)

    Here’s my other observations.

    I haven’ really been paying attention to media report. How they report things related with Asia…

    I’ve looked some articles by stuff.co.nz and learned that this is the same network with Dominion (Wellington base). There some differences between stuff.co.nz vs. NZ herald (Auckland base) with the same incident.

    Don brash affair with Diane Foreman – Stuff seems to be very favorable of Diane Foreman. NZ herald reported her more in detail (not a good side as well).

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/new-year-honours-2011/6203520/Diane-Foreman-becomes-companion-NZOM

    Unfortunately, I couldn’t find again the article that I read from stuff about how Don Brash met his singaporean separated wife (implying affair – and it seemed it was an affair). – since I couldn’t find the article anymore, I can’t insist that it was from Stuff…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10401572

    Here, I learned how Diane Foreman met his wealthy husband. (also it seems to me an affair or at least there was something going on…) Stuff does not mention the details of details that they revealed about Don Brash’s wife, but just praises how Diane Foreman woman is doing great as if she had achieved from the scratch. In my view, this woman seems to be a family wrecker (see. her relationship with Paul Henley also I’m guessing from the article how much she might have caused pain to the dying wife of Bill Foreman.) Stuff seems just love her.

    Stuff’s reports on the golfer David Smail seems also biased.

    David Smail

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/4092418/David-Smails-former-lover-A-woman-scorned

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/4092254/Jilted-lover-haunts-top-golfer-David-Smail

    My view is that he got into this extra marital relationship, too. But, there was no criticism about him, but ridicules this Japanese woman and even published her photo. It ridicules her accent/speaking as well. How many Kiwis can speak Japanese language?

    Lately, there was Samsung vs Apple court decision over copyright.

    Stuff didn’t updated of the latest court decision and left it with previous one whereas this was one of the top news of BBC on the day. And NZ herald reported this, but not on Stuff or Dominion post. – Obviously, this was not a big news for the editor of Stuff. I may be wrong, I wonder whether they reported somewhere very small print that I couldn’t find?

    I typed Samsung vs apple on Stuff search site.

    The first one that comes up is this.

    Apple triumphs over Samsung in US court

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/7547438/Apple-triumphs-over-Samsung-in-US-court

    And on the third,

    Samsung wins court case against Apple

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/7250648/Samsung-wins-court-case-against-Apple

    NZ Herald
    Apple told to apologise for Samsung statement

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10844572

    BBC
    Apple ordered to re-write ‘inaccurate’ Samsung statement

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20165664

    My view about NZ media also has been changed since yesterday after having found these articles and it has been confirmed that my effort of trying to see NZ society/media to be fair/or try to be fair towards Asian.

  86. Don'tCare
    November 16, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    New Zealand is full of rednecks, the accents are awful, and they think their country is special because it’s mostly full of boring flora and fauna, and because they have a supreme rugby team. Most New Zealanders are ignorant as they haven’t even set foot outside of the country and don’t know shit about the beauties of the world other than their small, isolated island. They’re mostly racist and highly sensitive about their culture as well since they’re jingoistic, nationalist morons, therefore if you don’t like crappy homegrown Kiwi music or you ridicule something about them, they’ll scorn you with the old redneck phrase “well if you don’t like it you can get aouut!”. There are many good things about New Zealand, but unless you’re coming here to retire or for a holiday, get out as soon as you can, I’m finishing uni here soon and I can’t wait to leave.

    • CRYS
      November 20, 2012 at 1:38 pm

      Hi, Thanks, May I ask how are you leaving this small minded pathetic over hyped racist country? Did you find a job or something…what country and what did you study in Uni. I ask because I have a small savings, uni drop out and in a similar situation.

  87. E2NZ
    November 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Sorry that you were bullied there and had to move countries twice. But what if most of the time people were only jesting?

    Please don’t denigrate the experiences of others by suggesting they have a sense of humour failure that you yourself suffer from.

    However unpleasant these things are to accept there’s no getting away from the fact that New Zealand has a bullying problem. It has a problem with domestic violence and a culture of brutality.

    Accepting that is the first step to eradicating it.

  88. bf
    November 30, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Hi,

    I am reading all along here as I was searching for info about living in NZ. Let me give everyone here some background of myself. I am from HK, a Chinese, got plans to further my master degree studies in NZ coming academic year. Wish to seek for job opportunities in NZ as well.

    I will need some insights from all on whether I should give NZ a try or say in my own city.

    I have been to New Zealand earlier this year, as a tourist, people were nice, with close-to-nature environment, definitely fascinating for city people. I understand tourists see all good things of a country, but what I read here looks far worse than what I can imagine.

    As HKer, I know how frustrating it is to have emigrants from mainland all around. Flat and store prices are now sky high; vacancies in hospital for labouring, schools so occupied that we have far less opportunities, our welfare are abused by them. But there are some emigrants we respect as they stand on their own feet, hardworking and nice.

    So basically how far racism goes and what problem I may face as a Chinese female in NZ is what I want to know. Thanks.

    • NZer
      December 7, 2012 at 12:55 am

      Not being a Chinese person myself, I can’t say exactly what kind of racism you might experience.

      Racist jokes are not uncommon in New Zealand (usually targeted at Australians, Maori, Irish, Pacific Islanders, or Asians), albeit I believe they are usually not malicious, and are intended to be funny. But there is a certain amount of actual hostility/dislike towards Asian immigrants, from some people.

      Asians are definitely considered by some to be particularly foreign (as opposed, for example, to a European British person being “less foreign”).

      I don’t remember having witnessed anyone racially abusing someone to their face in NZ, but I don’t doubt that it might happen.

      I myself do know some people who are disgruntled with the number of Asians in New Zealand. Most of the racism is in attitudes – some New Zealanders feel like they might be made foreigners in their home, or are overwhelmed by the number of Asian immigrants in recent years (sometimes called “the Asian Invasion”). There are sizable Chinese and Asian communities especially throughout Auckland, but also elsewhere in NZ.

      For many people in New Zealand, China has a reputation for producing lots of cut-corner, poor-quality products. But I haven’t found this reputation being applied to Chinese people, ever.

      If you speak English with an “accent”, you may find it difficult to make friends with people who only speak English (the majority of New Zealanders only speak English). If you speak English noticeably less well than a native speaker, you will definitely be avoided by some people.

      If you did come, I would strongly recommend making sure you found a group of people you could socialize with. Actually though, many students in university in NZ are from overseas, so maybe that might not be a problem.

      • Guest
        September 19, 2013 at 11:26 pm

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        • P Ray
          September 20, 2013 at 2:29 am

          What is a fair contribution towards a person being entitled towards a pension?
          Provide those numbers, otherwise all those statements are just thinly disguised racism.
          P.S. The benefit, given to those that do not work – are they entitled to it, especially if they’ve never worked?
          P.P.S. Was the foreign child, who now provides for their parents, overcharged for all the courses, qualifications and certifications compared to a local person doing the same?
          So why not the parents recoup the contribution of the child?

          Looking forward to your entertaining and (hopefully) carefully thought out response.
          Yes, I’m aware that anyone can claim to be any ethnicity on the Internet. :)

      • Nix
        October 9, 2013 at 11:52 pm

        I am amazed how people would think they would receive Hermes’ quality with a dime. You may ask any person who works in fabric industry about craftsmanship of China. Many of those cut-cornered stuff you see are the products of foreign company, which indicates that the decision of using inferior material and craftsmanship is permitted by the company rather than workshop itself. Only tools would pay for goods that dose not meet the standard. So why did you blame on Chinese workers? And also, it’s not hard to find quality clothes made by Chinese, if you just spend a little bit more – You get what you pay for. Notice that Chinese also produce luxury goods and those would be sent to Italy to sew on one or two buttons on then it would become Made in Italy, it is not even a news in industry, luxury company always try to convince you that your pricey stuff is made by an old Italian man who lives next to the river who has been making leather goods for 30 years and yes because people buy into that.

  89. December 26, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    I will study in NZ for two years. I’m a chinese indonesian (with dutch descent), should I be worried about this racism issue? it’s not that apparent right?

    • E2NZ
      December 26, 2012 at 5:10 pm

      New Zealand has the same problems with racism as any other country, plus there is a distinct anti-Asian sentiment in the country.

      Even its polictians rabble-rouse and hunt votes on the “asian invasion” ticket http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/whose-country-is-it-anyway/3563866


      Also see

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/4988983/Stop-the-Asian-Invasion-row-in-city

      • calvin
        December 26, 2012 at 6:38 pm

        woah that’s shocking. and here from what I read, racism is not big issue in the NZ. I will study in palmy though, hopefully I wont encounter one. thanks for the arning.

        • E2NZ
          December 27, 2012 at 3:06 am

          Before you commit yourself why not find a Facebook group for students in Palmerston North and ask them what they think?

        • P Ray
          December 27, 2012 at 4:49 am

          from what I read, racism is not big issue in the NZ. I will study in palmy though, hopefully I wont encounter one. thanks for the arning.
          You will not encounter much overt racism.
          You will encounter a lot of covert racism.
          e.g. Software study supplies that you were not informed about, contacts and lab resources that you didn’t know existed ,,, and you may probably also be told a pack of lies by students in your cohort about what they are studying or where they apply for jobs or inadequate/ineffectual Career Centre guidance for resume improvement or work applications.
          But everyone lives their own life and has to experience things themselves.
          Remember that over the period of time that you lodge an expression of interest or your work permit … you CANNOT work until it comes back in the affirmative.
          Of course, you can still work the hours as specified in your passport based on your study in NZ when you are still a student.

    • cassie
      December 29, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      if i were you..dont take a risk..you can study in other countries while not experiencing racism… i work at a call center in an asian country..and our customers are NZers!… on the phone..they keep at shouting at you..onset of the call..they were angry at you and say bad things about you and the way you speak when in fact..your just doing a customer service job for them… we are experiencing racism over the phone ..what more if we go to NZ… that’s why i never dream to go there even if its the only beautiful country left..but with that kind of people..well..never mind

      • January 2, 2013 at 6:44 pm

        I dont really mind it though since I receive scholarship from NZ government. also being chinese indonesian, we are tough ones since we have experienced open racism for decades in indonesia. I’m sure I could endure any possible racism in NZ, again. hopefully I will encounter none though!

  90. Suri
    December 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    NZ government have to do business with foreigners as the majority of NZ income comes from the main industry of the country which is tourism & international students, beside the horticultural & agricultural. Then the big amount of money that NZ earns from foriengners feeding Kiwi people and NZ country. Your government propaganda seem to welcome Asians when NZ knows that we’re money resources for Kiwis, eventually native people in NZ pits us off at the end. Well . . . What go round will come round, Kiwis will need to aware of what you have done to us now because it can be impact your reputation and credit across countries.

  91. January 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I am from Iran and came to NZ in 1988. Only purpose my family and I left Iran was because of the Iran-Iraq war and we never had NZ in our destination, it simply came as accidental that at that time NZ was taking people abroad.
    I grew up here, and yes not all people are bad but overall I view the mindset of white people here as disturbing.
    Reality is New Zealand is a small farming country at the bottom of the planet, it really has not much to show except for sheep and lamb and on the world stage it has a small presence.
    Whether kiwi’s like it or not that the reality.
    Even people from overseas, Europe and Americans whom I met in NZ say that NZ other than nature has nothing else and these people have often laughed about it.
    All kiwi’s have to say is that they are white or from European decent, which is funny because Europeans that I spoke to dont want to relate to NZ in any way.
    In terms of NZ economy, it has little in manufacturing and lot of its trade is from Asia, and even then NZ is in deep debt. Without Asian trade NZ would be shot back into the 70’s.
    I met an American guy some years back who was a nice man, he told me he came to NZ for holiday and he found the talking manner of people in NZ amusing.
    He told me that he was in a conversation to a kiwi and this kiwi was rambling on about NZ and the American man told this kiwi guy, do you know how small you are on the world stage?
    And after that the kiwi guy was silent. lol…
    And speaking of first world country, in reality NZ isnt a first world country as its economy and GDP is equal to Spain and housing quality and standard of living is very average except for the few rich.
    Actually many things in NZ are old, cars on average are 12 years old and most things are expensive as 90% of goods are imported.
    All you have to do is go across to Australia to see the massive gap between wealth in NZ to Australia.
    My cousin who is a German came to NZ some years ago and he said all he hears from kiwi’s is oh this place is pretty or there is a nice beach there…why would you take credit for god’s creation, something that was here before you ever settled here, lol..
    These are facts of NZ and because kiwi’s have little to do or show for, when they dont have much all they can do is become racist to few asians or middle easterns that have immigrated to NZ. If anyone wants to challenge this, please come forward..lol

  92. Elmo
    January 3, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I find that the real racism comes from the foreigners…
    As a matter of fact racism is a 1000 times worse in Asian countries.

    • E2NZ
      January 3, 2013 at 10:44 am

      Elmo, you are a prime example of racism in New Zealand and you don’t even realise it. Don’t you feel any embarrassment at all for what you’ve written, not even the slightest glimmer of realisation that a country populated by people like you may not be a very pleasant place to love?

  93. inini
    January 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Don’t worry kiwis . We are breeding at a very fast rate than you think . Before you know it kiwis you are going to be a minority in your own country .Tough luck chappies

    • P Ray
      January 8, 2013 at 11:50 pm

      There is just one flaw in your plan.
      Who will your children marry?
      And even before that, will they be paid and recognised commensurate with their ability … or will there be an increase in taxi drivers with degrees?
      As I said … the population from overseas that discovers things lacking in New Zealand … build their subsequent careers elsewhere.
      So it doesn’t change much.
      What will change things … is when immigrants leave BEFORE they get stuck too deep … or after they have had an education at the fee rate of domestic students.
      It’s certainly very interesting that a lot of immigrants from overseas who don’t fit the “mind’s-eye-racial-attribution” of what makes a kiwi …
      are either not married … or don’t meet their partner in New Zealand.

      • NZer
        January 10, 2013 at 10:46 pm

        What does “mind’s-eye-racial-attribution” mean? (Another term of “mentality”, but especially in respect to how mentality might be connected to culture?)

        If that is what you mean, then I would say that I am not at all surprised that people with significantly different cultural mentalities don’t tend to marry each other. I consider that to be not at all evil, in and of itself.

        • P Ray
          January 11, 2013 at 5:30 am

          I am not at all surprised that people with significantly different cultural mentalities don’t tend to marry each other. I consider that to be not at all evil, in and of itself.
          Would you happen to be one of those colourblind people who can only dismiss what a person of a different race goes through because you enjoy the perks of “white privilege”?
          For your information, a basic global culture already exists, e.g. Money as a form of success, relationships as a form of success, job you have as a form of success.
          But for some people the starting point of achievement is other peoples’ perceptions of you … regardless of what you have actually done.

          • January 21, 2013 at 12:15 pm

            Is that a question seeking my answer, or a rhetorical question?

            If the first, I’d say no. I am very much aware that some people are mistreated/treated in a specific way because of their race/ethnicity; and I do not think that that is the way that it should be. I think all this “in spite of” my being “white”.

            If it is a rhetorical question, then I reject what it suggests (that is, that I dismiss the way some others are treated because of their race, because of my race and the way I am treated by some because of my race).

            You do know that in the context of racism, “colourblind” is usually used in a positive sense? “Colourblind” is usually used to mean “non-racist”.

            Also, I personally for myself do not accept what you have mentioned as globally accepted measurements of success (or at least, not beyond the point of having enough to live a healthy lifestyle, or in the specific circumstances of one’s specific desires being fulfilled; e.g. “you want lots of money+you get lots of money=fulfilment of that specific desire/success”), although I realize that they are commonly accepted as measurements of success. As far as I am concerned, those measurements of success are utterly shallow.

            I am aware that some people will not begin to achieve much until some people’s perception of them changes. That is sad, in my books. It is something I desire to be changed.

            But I am interested to know: Do you actually think that people with significantly different cultural mentalities having a tendency not to marry is actually an evil/problem in society? And do you think that it is not worth making a distinction between the %100 normal (in my opinion) difficulty that many people of significantly different cultures have in interacting with each other, and actual “you are an Asian and I am a European (and that is an important distinction to make)”-type racism?

            I am of the opinion that who a person marries is ideally an inter-personal issue; and the fact that many people tend to avoid marrying others of significantly different cultural mentality, is the last thing that I would cite as evidence of racism in society. I would, however, cite people’s tendencies to avoid marrying others of a different race, but of the same/a very similar cultural mentality, as evidence of racism (and by racism, I here mean “counting race as a significant factor”).

            That is to say, if you don’t marry someone because of perceived irreconcilable differences in cultural mentality, I have no problem with that, in general, at all. If you don’t marry someone because of their race, then I still think that is your own personal decision (and it’s probably a good thing that racists tend not to marry the people they’re racist against); but it shows a certain lack of clarity of perception and maturity, as far as I am concerned. It may also cause/be connected to other problems in society.

            For myself, I would not even try to marry someone of a significantly different cultural mentality. That is to say, if I desperately enough wanted to marry someone of a significantly different cultural mentality, then I would change my own cultural mentality to be more in line with theirs (I have no problem with culture/cultural mentality compromise, in general – actually, I think it is often necessary to make various kinds of relationships/inter-personal interactions work well). That having been said, I also do not object to people who think they can work through cultural mentality differences, marrying (as I said before, I have no problem with culture/cultural mentality compromise; and in my personal experience, every single successful/happily enduring intercultural marriage I have seen has involved compromise; actually, the same goes for every single successful marriage I have seen, as far as I can remember). It’s their decision, not mine. And I definitely have no problem at all with marrying someone of a different race.

            Sorry for lengthy response.

            • P Ray
              February 4, 2013 at 4:22 pm

              You do know that in the context of racism, “colourblind” is usually used in a positive sense? “Colourblind” is usually used to mean “non-racist”.
              To debunk your patronising notion (the world has moved on, you know)
              Examples of Racial Microaggressions:
              Theme:
              Color blindness
              Statements which indicate that a White person does not want to acknowledge race

              Microaggression:
              A therapist says “I think you are being too paranoid. We should emphasize similarities, not people’s differences” when a client of color attempts to discuss her feelings about being the only person of color at her job and feeling alienated and dismissed by her co-workers.
              A client of color expresses concern in discussing racial issues with her therapist. Her therapist replies with, “When I see you, I don’t see color.”

              Message:
              Race and culture are not important variables that affect
              people’s lives.
              Your racial experiences are not valid.

              • nzer
                February 4, 2013 at 8:53 pm

                I was not aware that I was helping to spread a notion that the world has moved on, although it seems obvious to me that some people in the world have (moved on); and it also seems equally obvious to me that some people haven’t (moved on).

                Thank you for the example. It has helped clarify to me what you meant by “colourblind”. My impression is that you mean something like “discounting race as a (significant) factor”. Please correct me if I’m wrong in that impression.

                Would you agree with me that in the context, for example, of hiring an employee, it is actually good to discount race (as opposed to personality, the ability to communicate clearly, work ethic, character, etc.) as a factor in the decision to hire or not hire the possible future employee? (And if you do not agree with me, why not?)

                However, in the context of having a serious discussion with your therapist, or anyone else (myself included), about race/culture issues (in this example, in the client’s workplace), I definitely think(/agree with you?) that poo-pooing race and/or culture as an insignificant factor, is not at all helpful.

                But out of interest: What, of all the things I said, caused you to come to suspect that I was spreading the notion that racism was no longer an issue/”the world has moved on you know” (in your own words)? It would be good to know, to avoid repeating the same mistake (assuming I made a mistake – not all misunderstandings are the speaker’s fault, nor necessarily the hearer’s), because that it is not an impression I seek to give.

                Also, do you read my lengthy replies?

                • P Ray
                  February 4, 2013 at 10:46 pm

                  By “the world has moved on”, I mean that the old ways of mollifying people by treating them like children who are alien to your ways of thinking, is frankly getting old and people are getting sick of it.
                  It’s interesting that you assume that I’m a “she” (based on the example above).
                  What, of all the things I said, caused you to come to suspect that I was spreading the notion that racism was no longer an issue
                  When people mention colourblindness, I check their race.
                  No surprise they happen to be white.
                  Now … it’s interesting that those considered “top of the heap” on the racial totem pole of expectation of good treatment (and who get it) are the ones saying they are “colourblind”.
                  I get the feeling the more I speak on this,
                  the smarter I make racists … so they learn how to be covertly so, and not overtly racist.

                • nzer
                  February 5, 2013 at 10:04 am

                  P Ray:

                  (Please read my whole answer, to avoid further confusion.)

                  Ah, I thought you were saying *I* had said that “the world has moved on you know”. I thought people (well, adults, at least) were *always* sick of being treated like children.

                  By the way, what do you here mean by “…treating them like children…”?

                  I had absolutely no idea that the example you gave was about you personally. I assumed that the client in the example was a “she” because you used the pronoun “her” referring to her (or you, if indeed you are saying that client was you). For example, “Her therapist…” (you said it, not me). I would say that was a reasonable assumption based on the word you used.

                  Sorry, and who mentioned colourblindness first?

                  Do you realize it is racially stereotyping to assume that someone who mentions the word “colourblind” is white? I would ask you not to do this – I did not assume you were white when you first mentioned the word (and you mentioned it before me).

                  A person is only be considered “top of the heap” if *someone* does the considering. I say that that someone is not me.

                  Also, please do answer my question: Do you actually read my lengthy answers?

                  It seems to me by your answers that you do not.

                  And please clarify what you mean by the words “racist” and “racism” and “colourblind”, to avoid further confusion on my behalf. Many things you have said have confused me very, very much.

                  Thank you for having read the entire post (assuming you have).

                • nzer
                  February 5, 2013 at 10:44 am

                  P Ray:

                  (Please read the entire post.)

                  Actually, to bring some clarity to the situation, I will re-state everything I have (tried) to communicate in this discussion so far, as clearly as I can:

                  *I am not surprised people of incompatibly different cultural mentalities don’t tend to marry each other

                  *I don’t think that people of incompatibly different cultural mentalities tending not to marry each other (mutually), by itself, is at all bad

                  *Marriage is ideally an inter-personal issue (as opposed to a race issue)

                  *I do not condemn inter-cultural marriage

                  *The successful inter-cultural marriages I have seen have involved compromise (so that the cultural mentalities involved are no longer incompatibly different

                  *I am aware that there is racial discrimination, and I do not think it should happen

                  *Race should not be counted as a factor in the context, for example, of hiring or not hiring an employee

                  *Race and culture issues should not be taboo to discus

                  *I am aware that there are commonly accepted (materialistic and/or consumerist) measurements for success

                  *I personally do think that these (materialistic and/or consumerist) measurements for success are very good

                  *I have expressed doubt that you are actually reading my entire posts

                  *I have stated that many of the things you say confuse me very, very much

                  Do you take serious issue (that is, serious enough to make an issue of it) with anything in this list (barring the last item – that is not up for discussion, because I doubt you can disprove that I have been confused by what you have said)? If so, please explain.

                  (Thank you for having read the entire post, assuming you have. Please make sure you also read my entire previous post, before you reply. Thank you for your time.)

                • P Ray
                  February 5, 2013 at 1:26 pm

                  ^ I like that post of yours.
                  Straight talk. Far different than meandering through the fields of semantics like a bee buzzing about.
                  As you have probably guessed, I do not give much truck to what people “say” about being “colourblind”.
                  I have much greater satisfaction … watching how they act.

                • nzer
                  February 5, 2013 at 9:25 pm

                  P Ray:

                  Fair enough.

  94. Painted Fern
    January 12, 2013 at 1:18 am

    E2NZ :
    Sorry that you were bullied there and had to move countries twice. But what if most of the time people were only jesting?
    Please don’t denigrate the experiences of others by suggesting they have a sense of humour failure that you yourself suffer from.
    However unpleasant these things are to accept there’s no getting away from the fact that New Zealand has a bullying problem. It has a problem with domestic violence and a culture of brutality.
    Accepting that is the first step to eradicating it.

    Sounds like a recent troll on a certain forum.

  95. UTU
    January 16, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    yea old post etc as a Ngāpuhi and always open for a battle, racist’s yea it’s real, kiwi sense of humour does mask a bit of it.. our albino cuzzie’s etc.I’ve had enuff but some thing’s don’t change.

  96. urbangel
    January 27, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    For those justifying racism because they have this belief that immigrants refuse integration into NZ culture are delusional. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    This same excuse was used to justify why a friend of mine deserved racial abuse. I admit, her English was mediocre. What people didn’t realise was she volunteered a lot of her free time. She volunteered at the RSPCA, the museum and helped run community and fundraising projects. However, she has been insulted on many occasions for not integrating and not being “beneficial” to NZ.

    I have integrated into NZ society. My entire family has and so have the families of our friends. Please explain to me why I, my family and friends are the subjects of racial abuse. Why I do hear these phrases yelled at me?

    Ching chong
    Go home
    Get out of NZ

    Twenty five years I have been in NZ. I, nor anyone in my family has ever been on a benefit of any kind. My siblings and I didn’t even receive student allowances. None of us have criminal histories. We didn’t come to NZ rich. We live comfortably now due to years of hard work. My siblings and I had our first jobs at ages, twelve and thirteen. Can all “pure” Kiwis say the same thing?

    The most recent incident was when two children threw racial remarks at me. What astonished me more was the fact that their mother was with them and instead of reprimanding them for their behaviour, she laughed. Fifty years from now we will still be discussing these same issues.

    • January 28, 2013 at 8:53 pm

      Indeed, justifying racism by failure/seeming failure of an individual to integrate is not commendable, although using it as part of an explanation for racism or a racist reaction to certain happenings (happenings like the arrival of noticeably many immigrants), is another matter altogether, I think. An explanation not necessarily being the same as a justification… By your description of your friend, I would say that she seems to actively participate in New Zealand culture more than many New Zealanders do.

      I would suggest that you are subject to racial abuse because there are racists (in this case, in New Zealand), who are presumably racist because they are on some level dysfunctional, or for whatever reason do not perceive the truth clearly (because other people taught them to be racist by indoctrination, perhaps?), or simply consciously choose to be hateful and hurtful and racist. Though I’ve never actually met a person who I’ve known to be the latter of those.

      It’s awesome to hear that you’re contributing so much to New Zealand society – more than many New Zealand-born people, I would say. I sincerely wish that New Zealand society do as much for you, as you do for it. (What purpose does society have if it does not benefit its members?) I think many “pure” Kiwis can’t say the same things you have said.

      I remember as a child learning racial behaviour from other children, and there was certainly a mentality of particularly East and South-East Asians being “different” and “strange”. I’m thankful to say I’ve grown out of it. Having good Asian friends certainly helped.

      I dearly hope we’re not discussing the same issues in fifty years time. We aren’t right now discussing all the same things we were fifty years ago. Who knows?

  97. Paul
    February 17, 2013 at 10:48 am

    HYPOCRITES. Hypocrites IF all these people who distill their hatred and envy against New Zealand. Truly feel sorry, embarrassed laughter and the Chinese are exploited, abused and slaughtered by their own government’s infamous RED Politburo
    Slaughter Cultural Revolution Tiananmen Remember that? , large parts of China is polluted, air, land, destroyed the environment to achieve its development”” the Chinese are not free in their country, are slaves of totalitarian Communist government practiced capitalism paradoxically wildest and inhuman, Chinese settlers are known in Southeast Asia as cruel exploiters-greedy and greedy and very racist and ethnocentric = generations living in those countries Vietnam.-Thailand-Philippines have not been assimilated, they still believe Chinese, ”” foreign students come with that label to stay in the host country (Autralia-New Zealand-US-Canada) and achieve social benefits, is an unethical tactic. So do not come to give moral lessons, which have no EQUAL Koreans, a few years ago there was a case in Guam an entrepreneur” Korean” and his minions who tricked = propaganda, women’s groups bilked Vietnamese and Filipino, which forced them to work long overtime without recognizing the wages, were exploited labor, sexually harassed and humiliated, beaten and even a bully Korean Vietnamese killed one worker, speaking of massacres and violations made ​​by South Korean soldiers in Vietnam, contempt and arrogance of these Koreans and Chinese toward the native inhabitants of Southeast Asia, now looking to expand to other regions of the world and that causes rejection, and the victims are now ha ha haha, go elsewhere with their lies, the Western world does not need BYE.

    • Nzer
      February 19, 2013 at 7:00 pm

      Awkward…

      Okay, so Asia had and has issues, and some Asian countries more issues than other Asian countries, and some Asian countries have arguably more issues than New Zealand.

      The point of this site is that New Zealand also has issues (which are often not widely publicized – that is, some people come to New Zealand with unrealistic expectations (because they are not always given a realistic description of New Zealand), and are let down).

      Now, wouldn’t it be good if people coming to New Zealand had realistic expectations so that when they face difficulties, at least they were forewarned (and maybe better prepared because of the forewarning), as opposed to fairy-skipping into the place (and maybe in the process ridding themselves of their life savings) and being hit by the ten-ton weight of reality? I think being forewarned would be good.

      Kia ora.

      • P Ray
        February 19, 2013 at 8:32 pm

        Now, wouldn’t it be good if people coming to New Zealand had realistic expectations so that when they face difficulties, at least they were forewarned (and maybe better prepared because of the forewarning), as opposed to fairy-skipping into the place (and maybe in the process ridding themselves of their life savings) and being hit by the ten-ton weight of reality? I think being forewarned would be good.
        New Zealand doesn’t let “regular” as opposed to “refugee” immigrants in unless they show proof of savings enough to tide them over for some time.
        The problem happens when people have to leave their jobs in the home country to get one in the new one … then discover that they can’t.
        It’s usually an “all or nothing” situation when many people invest their savings and effort to going overseas and getting a job.
        Then they have been out of work in their home country for some years … and if particularly unlucky have gained citizenship in the new one … without having employment – making prospects for being hired in their old country, disappear … as they are no longer citizens.
        Plus all the while they’re in the new country, they are paying full fare for all products and services and maybe 4x the university fees of locals, until they become permanent residents/citizens.
        There’s a good reason things continue the way they do.

  98. Kelly
    February 19, 2013 at 12:41 am

    Gosh this is a confronting read.

    I live in an of area of Auckland with a very large Asian presence (mostly Chinese), I live in the same house my Grandmother lived in 35 years ago. My local shopping centre/community was once an entirely Pakeha area. Twenty years ago a vibrant Pacific Island community arrived.

    In the last 10 (maybe 15 yrs) another ethnic move happened. A shopping centre of about 30 shops, now has two shops that are not Chinese or Korean and one of them is Countdown.
    This is not a good thing BUT a GREAT thing! There is barely an ingredient for any recipe that I want to cook that I can’t find less than five minutes drive from my house!

    Yes New Zealanders CAN be racist. Living with multiculturalism is very familiar to some but new and scary to older people. My own mother frequently says “Why don’t Chinese people know how car parks work!!”….and there IS a little truth to that statement. In the local shopping centre car park I frequently have to slam the brakes on as (usually) elderly Chinese people saunter in front of my car. Backing out of a car park is also hazardous. as someone speeds past BUT if you come from a city the size of Beijing it is easy to see why you GO when the moment arrives!

    I’m a pre-school teacher (in another part of Auckland) and my centre has a fairly high immigrant population. This population includes Indian, South African, European, British, Korean but mostly Chinese. .

    The reason we have a substantial number of immigrant children in our centre is because other families recommend us. They recommend us because we are totally inclusive. We are told this everyday. We are thanked by immigrant families for helping them negotiate Kiwi ways that they don’t instantly understand but want to adopt.

    After living overseas for many years myself (Yes I am a white NZer and I lived in Britain BUT it WAS a foreign country in sooooo many ways! I also lived in Greece, Egypt and Israel) I can relate to that ‘fish out of water” feeling.

    Please don’t automatically believe all Kiwi’s are racist……YES we have A-holes like EVERY country but I do not believe they represent the majority!

    • P Ray
      February 19, 2013 at 8:25 pm

      We are thanked by immigrant families for helping them negotiate Kiwi ways that they don’t instantly understand but want to adopt.
      Well, you may not be very good at helping those kids remember their lessons, if they don’t get jobs in NZ.
      Or maybe those kids went to the wrong universities, have unusual religions or support the wrong political parties or are the wrong genders or are too old or “are not the correct fit” or are “overqualified” or have the wrong skin colour?
      Whoops, I guess I listed down all the reasons that are illegal to discriminate against someone for a job … but happens because employers don’t list down why they do so.

      There’s a lot more to racism than fitting in at kindergarten.
      Usually … it’s to do with not being able to earn a living in the country you grew up in, despite having taken the path of others who do so, that succeeded despite doing even less than you did.

      • Nzer
        February 20, 2013 at 10:14 am

        P Ray, just because employment is a big issue, it does not mean we should poo-poo people teaching at exceptionally diverse kindergartens and schools. But perhaps *you* do so anyway.

        There’s a lot more to racism than unemployment.

        But tell me: Would you employ someone who could not understand you, and who you could not understand? Most people wouldn’t and don’t.

        Yes, actual racism is an issue amongst employers. But I think a lot of what might seem to be racist employer practices, is not racism. I know Asians who have a good understanding of the language and the culture, and it seems that they have no more difficulty than a NZ European in finding employment (that is not to say that they have no difficulty finding employment).

        • P Ray
          February 20, 2013 at 12:47 pm

          Would you employ someone who could not understand you, and who you could not understand? Most people wouldn’t and don’t.

          You’re clearly not in touch with reality if you think the foreign students looking for employment who are university graduates, cannot communicate or write properly.
          Remember: your country considered them (and their grasp of English) good enough to let them in to either begin, complete or extend their studies.
          And if not, they were told to take the IELTS qualification (I’ve gone much further than that).
          Don’t turn around and play “I don’t know what’s going on”.
          I pooh-pooh teaching qualifications (not lecturer qualifications).
          The reason is simple: I’ve actually seen the syllabus.
          And when people say NCEA is an eyewash, who are the people promulgating that syllabus? You guessed it: the teachers coming out … who chose teaching because it was an easy degree.
          There are of course specialist subjects, e.g. physics, mathematics, science, geography, biology.
          But how many of your teachers do that?

          • Nzer
            February 20, 2013 at 9:48 pm

            Okay, so, presumably most foreign students speak decent English. But I am pretty sure most foreigners (however one is to define them) in New Zealand are not students, and it is clear from what I said, that I was not talking only about foreign students. I was also not questioning that racism might be a factor. I was saying that much that one might accusingly call racism, is not.

            Governing authorities in my country may have deemed their English good enough, but I have met (a small few) immigrants in New Zealand who can almost speak no English; and I have met many who cannot communicate fluently in English, and many more who have little understanding of the mainstream culture(s). Maybe further tightening the standards for immigrants coming into the country would do something to improve that situation…? Maybe we should stop encouraging immigrants to come here in the first place…? Maybe we should focus on post-arrival assimilation into society…? Maybe we should keep complaining about racism…?

            Okay, so, there are issues with NCEA, and some teachers push NCEA, and others object to it (and are pushed into it anyway). But it is clear that you were not pooh-poohing teaching qualifications. You were belittling her teaching at a racially diverse school where immigrant families thanked the school for helping them fit in.

            I myself don’t believe I know a single person who went for teaching qualifications because they thought it would be easy (and I know a fair few people who have recently finished training to be a teachers). The main reason amongst the people I know is a passion for helping and teaching children. But perhaps (probably) my social group is not representative of society as a whole.

            I don’t know exactly how many teachers do the subjects you mentioned; but one guy I know is going into teaching mathematics; and he said that there is a demand for mathematics teachers, because not so many people train to teach it, because they often train to teach things that they are passionate about, like art. He was able to find a job easily enough (because of the demand for mathematics teachers).

          • Kelly
            February 21, 2013 at 12:00 am

            Teaching is an easy degree? Possibly the degree is easier than physics, maths etc but those degrees do no not include the most challenging part of a teaching degree….CHILDREN!
            So many people believe teaching is easy. Those people have never met a classroom of children,

            You dismiss teachers in the way that you hate being dismissed. Prejudice is fairly widespread.

            • P Ray
              February 21, 2013 at 5:26 am

              @Kelly: when all shall have medals, and people are bumped up grades without having learnt … then I’d say teaching becomes easy … and those who stand up get smacked down.
              Doing things right … always puts you at odds with those who enjoy doing things wrong.

              http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/news/sacked-teacher-claims-bullying/1533928/

              A teacher claims she was bullied and unfairly dismissed from a prestigious Hawke’s Bay private school over alleged instructions to lie to parents about their children’s achievement.

              • Kelly
                February 21, 2013 at 11:11 pm

                “@Kelly: when all shall have medals, and people are bumped up grades without having learnt … then I’d say teaching becomes easy … and those who stand up get smacked down.”

                Try it for a day,,,one day and then proclaim it is easy.

                Also bear in mind the fact that teachers have NO control over what they are prescribed to teach. Good teachers just find an effective way to teach what is prescribed,

                New Zealand teachers are very good because they don’t rely on rote learning or “teaching to the test”> John Key will erode this though.

                • P Ray
                  March 1, 2013 at 7:19 am

                  because they don’t rely on rote learning or “teaching to the test”
                  That’s true, because if they did teach to the test … more domestic students would be going to university. ZING!
                  It’s considered that primary and secondary education is primarily for socialisation … with the critical thinking usually happening at university.
                  Like the saying “Nobody cares how much you know, until they know how much you care”.
                  Man, caring people who can’t do their job …gotta have them around, eh?
                  Which explains why you can meet many people who got their jobs because of who they know … not what they know … and proceed to muck things up, or underperform.
                  Think about what could happen … if competent people got on with the job and were hired predictably.
                  Then again, disruptive people know how to get around obstacles and unseat monopolies.

          • orca
            February 21, 2013 at 12:56 am

            P. Ray, here is where you are mistaken. New Zealand lets them into English programs and trains them, passes them, hands them a slip of paper saying their English or some other skill is good because NZ makes money in so doing. Not because the courses are actually producing good English speakers or people with some other marketable skill. If the courses are like any of the other schools in New Zealand, in fact, they are doing a poor job. These NZ education factories are degree mills. They churn out degreed individuals, but the degrees may have no practical value in the NZ economy. So over and above the prejudice these people have to overcome by simply being non-Kiwis, they have often paid big bucks for useless degrees..

            • P Ray
              February 21, 2013 at 5:29 am

              Whew. Good thing I didn’t go to a polytechnic then, eh?
              On the flip side, you know you’re onto something good when over 90% of the people who enrol … fail to gain the qualification.
              World class standards … DEMAND world class levels of failure … because that’s the only way you know who the best are :)

    • Saurabh
      April 7, 2013 at 7:20 pm

      Completely agree to that. I have an Indian friend living in Christchruch and she is all praise for nezealand except for the pay packages that are relatively smaller than even India. However, if newzealand wants to grow and become a better place, they need to accept multi culturalism and welcome immigrants. It’s an old primitive notion of the western countries that immigrants especially Asians are out there to snatch jobs and screw up their nations. On the contrary let me be honest, Asians are one of the richest people in the world and can be the biggest investors in the country. World is fast becoming one nation and one who accepts and goes beyond race and gender would grow,adapt and survive. Newzealand lawmakers should think about that.

  99. Kelly
    February 20, 2013 at 12:17 am

    What can I say to this????

    I am not a racist. I have never felt any racist thoughts toward ANY group of people.BUT I am also NOT an employer! I am subjected to the same whims of the workplace as you are!

    My son is a NZ’er, born of a NZ mum and a British father. He is a Uni-graduate and he can’t find a job!

    Perhaps we need to look at the govt more harshly.

    • P Ray
      February 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm

      You mean he can’t find a job … in New Zealand.
      Has he tried the UK yet? After all, he can claim dual citizenship –

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

      and I believe as a citizen, he may be entitled to the benefit.

      There are many advantages you get … that new immigrants don’t or are ineligible for.
      If you’re playing Oppression Olympics, you’re in for a tough race.

      • February 20, 2013 at 10:09 pm

        You seem to miss her point, that in spite of being New Zealand born, he is unable to get a job (e.g. not only foreign students cannot get jobs).

        Is it oppression for the government not to put as much money into non-citizens as into citizens? It is, as far as I am aware, global practice to do so, so if you disagree with this practice, and you actually want it changed, you have a long road ahead of you.

        Of course, there are also Asian citizens of New Zealand who are entitled to the same benefit as him. In other words, New Zealand Asian citizens also have an advantage over Asian non-citizens of New Zealand, in New Zealand. This is wrong?

        If we had wanted to play Oppression Olympics, I should have tried to move to one of various countries in Asia or Africa already. I have no desire to be oppressed, but if I decided I wanted to move country, I would make sure that I was aware of any relevant oppression in that country, and that I thought I could bear such oppression, if necessary. If I thought I could not bear said oppression, I think I would only go if I had little choice.

        • P Ray
          February 24, 2013 at 6:37 pm

          In other words, New Zealand Asian citizens also have an advantage over Asian non-citizens of New Zealand, in New Zealand.
          Could we have a breakdown of people on the benefit by race in New Zealand? Thanks in advance :)

        • P Ray
          February 24, 2013 at 6:50 pm

          Is it oppression for the government not to put as much money into non-citizens as into citizens?
          Now where did I put the dollar I got from the NZ government?
          Oh that’s right … I never got it.
          Way to use red herrings.

        • P Ray
          March 1, 2013 at 4:16 am

          If we had wanted to play Oppression Olympics, I should have tried to move to one of various countries in Asia or Africa already.
          I know, right? Those countries have white people in chains and sold as slaves.
          Oh wait …

      • Kelly
        February 20, 2013 at 11:37 pm

        Well he doesn’t want to leave New Zealand, even with a British passport.

        I totally agree with you on advantages new immigrants are not entitled to.

        I was not even vaguely looking for a game of “Oppression Olympics”. I totally agree that immigrants DO NOT get an easy ride in ANY form.

        I was just saying the ride is not always smooth to those born and bred either.

        This is a fairly crap country….Over the years we have tried to pull from socialism, PURE capitalism and a variety of weird combinations.

        Only the public are left worse off…..well immigrants are left off worst!

  100. P Ray
    February 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    A very interesting article on the same topic:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866445

    Takeaway quote:
    “So a migrant who brings in stocks and goods for retail to the tune of the required amount (NZD500,000) must hold on to them for two years before being able to sell them. That’s just nonsensical, absurd and wrong,” said Mr Delamere.

    Summary:
    Entrepreneur Plus

    What’s required:
    *$500,000 investment
    *3 fulltime jobs
    *2 years that the investment must be retained

    (Introduced in Nov 2009 to fast track residency of entrepreneur migrants)

    Do you think immigrants exceeding that amount in liquid cash will put their money in banks which give interest rates that are barely (if not) meet inflation rates? So they put it into property … and get told they are pricing locals out of the market. Seems more of the same, we want the money, we DON’T WANT YOU.

    • February 20, 2013 at 10:27 pm

      Migrants who enter the country under that scheme should be informed explicitly of the currently accepted interpretation of the requirements. If the scheme is not working (and in this specific case, the article gives the impression that it is not), perhaps the scheme should be done away with, or the requirements modified.

      I think that this scheme’s requirements make it quite clear that it is intended to be about investment and commerce, not getting one more immigrant to New Zealand.

    • Kelly
      February 21, 2013 at 12:41 am

      And can you understand why locals wish you just put your money in the bank?

    • orca
      February 21, 2013 at 12:58 am

      They are asked to bring in the money so that the Kiwi banks and other institutions can use it. They lend it out and use it in other ways to cover their needs before allowing the migrant to liquidate the sum.

  101. Kelly
    February 20, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    The STUPID NATIONAL govt WANTS your money! They are incapable of doing anything that does not have money at it’s key (“JOHN KEY”…Always shaken and often stirred but more frequently forgetful!) ask Sky City!

    • orca
      February 21, 2013 at 1:00 am

      New Zealand had many of these problems before, and it was misleading migrants before as well. Just because Key isn’t waving a magic wand doesn’t mean he’s at fault for any of this.

      • Kelly
        February 21, 2013 at 11:14 pm

        I beg to differ. Though he may not have caused ALL our problems he has added to existing ones and tacked on several on of his own.

        • Kiran Solanki
          February 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm

          I personally feel as a migrant that New Zealand is and has always been very intolerant of immigrants. I’m an Indian male and I’ve lived in New Zealand since the age of 11. I immigrated with my mom 12 years ago and to this day, despite being a “kiwi” on paper and having a “kiwi” passport, I feel that I am still made to feel like I am “fresh off the boat” or more commonly a FOB by the majority of the NZ population. I don’t talk with a funny accent and my parents don’t own a dairy or drive taxis. My mother is actually married to a 3rd generation European New Zealander who is very much against racism and openly admits his own people are rednecks. In our first year of living in New Zealand I was constantly taunted about the colour of my skin, the food that I ate and the way I smelt. I would constantly hear words such as Curry Muncher, F***ng Indian or the N***er, Darkie, Stinky Paki etc directed to me personally. I actually find the term curry muncher quite ironic, especially considering the fact that many Kiwis love Indian food! My mother even experienced this herself personally in the business community, I which I find absolutely appalling. At the same time the World Trade Centre was supposedly attacked by Al Qaeda, so it just seemed natural that when I went to school the next day, I would be labelled everything under the sun relating to terrorism, which is just despicable.
          Over the years I have noticed that the number direct ethnic slurs has decreased, but I’m noticing more and more that racism towards immigrants still exists in a very indirect manner. The hostility that is felt when talking with local Kiwis is so obvious, it makes me wonder as to why they just don’t speak their mind. The funniest thing is though that most of the racism directed to me is from European New Zealanders, not from Pasifika or Maori. In fact, I have actually heard a lot of complaints from Pasifika and Maori about racism directed towards them from European New Zealanders, regardless of how long they have lived here.
          As a young Indian male I have found that it has been extremely difficult for me to develop relationships with kiwi women, more specifically white kiwi women. The only women I seem to attract are Indian or of various other ethnicities, but not European New Zealand women. I have asked this question to several people and the notion I get is that apparently Indian men are sleazy and chauvinistic hence the reason why women area not attracted to them. I was not let into a club in downtown Auckland due to the fact that they were sick of the complaints from women regarding sleazy Indian men. Now I personally feel that this is another form of racial stereotyping but others tend to think this claim is based on experience and fact, so I’ll leave that for you to decide yourself. I also find this quite fascinating as I seem to notice a lot of Kiwi European men in intimate relationships with women who are Asian, Indian, Pasifika, Maori and in some cases African just to name a few. I have many immigrant friends and they have all said the same thing, which is that they have been misled. A lot of immigrants come to NZ with the notion that Kiwis are warm friendly people. Unfortunately the reality is quite different. I have met other European immigrants who feel that local New Zealanders are uncouth, uncivilised, and just downright intolerable towards the majority of foreigners. Now I originally immigrated from a third world country which had its issues hence the reason for moving, but I can honestly say that for a so called first world country the general attitude and mentality of local Kiwis is very much third world. Ask any foreigner who has travelled further than Australia and they will say the same thing.
          Thank you
          Have a nice day 

          • P Ray
            February 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm

            The relationship scene in NZ is extremely nasty for most ethnic guys. I managed to be on the receiving end of some abrupt behaviour from someone who was a dux.
            Maybe they’ll change their mind about xenophobia once they’ve been through a cycle of either pregnancy, disease or abuse.
            Of course, the choice of whether you accept them then is yours to make.
            As someone said in the stuff website, “If there is a bowl of dip and other people take samples of it, can you still ask full price for it when it’s obviously not in pristine condition?”

          • Saurabh
            April 7, 2013 at 7:32 pm

            Bro, let me tell you I am an Indian from India and the 3rd world country concept is created by the western media. We are no more a 3rd world country so to say. We have population that’s beyond Newzealands imagination. As far as European NZ women are concerned, they are entitled to their opinion and choice of men they want to date. You should be proud of your ethnicity and the nation you chose to live in. You are no less an Indian and global citizen than any of the so called people from the developed nations.

  102. February 25, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Many of the money sucking social programs that National is now faced with maintaining and funding were put in place by the Labour government of “Uncle” Helen Clark.
    It would be dishonest to not include the more than decade of implementation of liberal socialist ideology.

  103. March 14, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    I visited this site again knowing that there are people who talk about this. I can’t talk about this issue often with my family. I do not want to hurt or make my children aware of racism too much. One teenage and one at uni.

    My husband did not agree with me that there is racism in NZ against Asian until one day he saw how I was treated right in front of him at a bar.

    We never spoke about this, but I noticed that later when I mentioned how I was treated by service people, he didn’t deny it at all, but just listened and agreed uncomfortably.

    I was just about to order my drink, and the staff looked at me, but quickly asked to the right next person from me. And she never got back to me. So, I waited and waited until another friendly white (seemingly European- accent) staff served me. That was for the first time my husband saw it from behind me.

    Previously, I even had to defend myself from my husband defensive ‘no racism’ by service people, I felt so sad that I couldn’t get his support.

    It was not easy for me to accept that that was ‘racism’, because it hurt my ego that I am treated that way. That’s the reason I didn’t want to tell my children or initially even to my husband. Because, I felt like I was second citizen, and I am a 2nd citizen in NZ. I accept that and my anger is still there.

    • P Ray
      March 14, 2013 at 8:23 pm

      I do not want to hurt or make my children aware of racism too much. One teenage and one at uni.
      If your child gets into trouble as a result of a lecturer making a false accusation please don’t let that wrongdoer get away.
      As to your child becoming aware of racism, if they’re male they’ll wake up to it fast enough when they don’t get a date to the prom or have rumours spread about them relating to a derogatory stereotype.
      If female, they might hear “Me love you long time”.
      Whatever you do, please don’t believe “sit down, be quiet, do your work” will resolve that bullying.
      Being a “model minority” also means that you are discouraged from behaving in the way the majority does when angry. Think about that…

  104. Pene3
    March 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    I am a Kiwi of Maori decent and it is sad to hear the comments on here about New Zealand being a labelled racist country, intolerant of the migrants and people not of a mainstream NZ background. By mainstream I think it is fair to say of mostly Pakeha origin, a term which was never used as a derogatory term for most NZ Europeans (Origin: Pakepakeha = Ghostly or Supernatural, Pakehakeha = Gods in the forms of man or animal).
    I will say however that the comments are pretty well justified and as a Maori who has just moved from Home to live in Australia, I find that I am being better treated here. Even Pakeha living in OZ treat you better probably taking subliminal cues from there Ozzy mates. I wouldn’t say that Ozzys aren’t racist though as they really despised the Aboriginal people of Australia.
    I hear of Asians and Indians being the most discriminated against back home but I’ve gotta say add Maori to that mix too. The difference being that Maori have a tendency to make their issues heard more often and, as a result – unlike the Asians, Indians and other minorities – are probably the most despised ethnic minority in New Zealand. You hear about protests where we are fighting for land, fighting to be recognised in this country, fighting to keep our identity as Maori, and fighting to keep that identity as Maori as possible considering that a lot of our language and culture had been beaten out of my Grandparents generations and were too scared to pass their language and culture on to the next.
    A lot of the immigrants that come to NZ are lucky in that their cultures and languages are preserved in their own countries, are mainstream mostly and are not endangered as ours was once and is still critical.
    I will agree too that Maori compared to 30 odd years ago are a bit more racist than what they used to be but mainly towards Pakeha, and more of a political nature than one of colour creed etc.
    Immigrants are hard to accept especially for westernised countries because they are seen as a threat to the status quo in a particular country. That is until those not of a mainstream majority stand up and become counted and change that status quo. Ask Mr Obama (President of USA) or even Meng Foon (Mayor of Gisborne New Zealand), or Sir Anand Satyanand (Governor General, New Zealand). This doesn’t always mean blending in, sometimes you have to be unique, even if it does piss some people off. People will learn to respect, accept, or at least tolerate you eventually. Other than that just ignore the crap and fight to dispell the generalisations that people use because they are too arrogant or ignorant to know that people are different no matter what their skin colour or ethnic background.
    Example: I have an Asian brother in law and he is not your typical Asian. He hates maths, is not a lawyer, or computer technician and is not rich. But he is very frugal with money. I guess somethings you never lose.

  105. Josh
    March 22, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    The Kiwis in this country think their superior, but actually the foreigners are keeping this island afloat- the Chinese rule New Zealand. Learn to respect your new bosses.

    • Kelly
      June 1, 2013 at 12:09 am

      New Zealand was founded on egalitarian principles. Learn them and embrace them.

  106. P Ray
    March 23, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Ah, time for a good old racist gathering from the Right Wing Resistance (it’s a yearly gathering apparently) in Christchurch.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8457819/Counter-protest-against-racism

    “Anti-racism is code for anti-white”
    My rebuttal:
    When were Caucasian people forbidden to enter Asian countries?
    Where was the head tax for them?

  107. Kelsey
    March 27, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    I moved to New Zealand ten years ago from South Africa as a 10 year old child. I came from a country that is often labelled as racist, (and it is!) although I always stood up for the indigenous African, Indian, Greek etc populations when they were racially attacked, even as a child I would not stand for racism.
    Then I moved to New Zealand.
    I was so shocked. People often think that racism only happens to people of colour, (and I’m not disputing that the majority of the time it does), but I am a caucasian (and one of the palest you could ever see at that). However, I was mocked, told to “go back to Africa”, I was mercilessly bullied because I was South African. And a lot of that mocking came from Caucasian AND Maori children. So it’s not like whites are the only ones who can be racist, which is often the stereotype, which is in itself racist..
    Basically, I had never, NEVER, seen such hatred from children towards a foreigner.
    And I’m from the Apartheid country. (Ironically, I was called a dirty racist purely because I was South African. Bit hypocritical if you ask me).
    I think it might also be because of a general lack of respect that is inforced in New Zealand (don’t get me wrong, I love my adopted country). But I had never been around children who so openly disrespected each other and even the teachers. There language was atrocious, and they had absolutely no care for others. Eventually I made friends with a group of other immigrants from China and Korea, as we were all mercilessly bullied, and found comfort in our mutual situations.

    • P Ray
      March 28, 2013 at 12:54 pm

      Eventually I made friends with a group of other immigrants from China and Korea, as we were all mercilessly bullied, and found comfort in our mutual situations.
      There’s something really weird about a situation where teachers can’t perform their responsibilities to make the learning environment as non-disruptive as possible.
      I’d add that’s not a surprise because I noticed those taking that course were after a soft-touch degree and seemed to have very flexible ethics. It also doesn’t help that many children and teachers know the rule of “no blood, no foul”. Relational aggression is a common bullying tactic since bruises can’t be explained away.

    • Sylvia
      April 7, 2013 at 11:00 am

      My friend who emigrated from England (Asian) with her English husband and children went back to England. They stayed here for 2 years and the problem started from her son’s first school. He was bullied as ‘nigger’, she went to school to talk about it with his teacher. Her response was using nigger was nothing wrong in New Zealand. She was appalled by the response and in the end she pulled her son out of the school.

      My own experience observing a school reading class. I visited a Catholic primary school (NZ catholic school is not a private school) with my daughter. An older female teacher was talking about books. While she was talking, she mentioned ‘negro’ became president in the USA. That must have been in 2008, I guess when Obama was elected. She didn’t show any emotions, but simply put the word ‘negro’ 3 times. There was no explanation about the historic event. The kids were about 10 or 11. There were some Indian, Asian kids as well.

      I asked a couple of people whether the term ‘negro’ is okay to use in New Zealand. One woman told me, yes. It seems the word came back to use these days. Obviously in her friend’s circle they use it. Other people said ‘no’. Definitely not in classroom!

      Is Negro okay and Nigger bad?

      Could the teacher at my friend’s son’s school defended other students who bullied him ‘nigger’ as not ‘bullying’ because ‘negro’ is okay to use?

      I remember even a minister using the word ‘negro’ in a normal conversation.

      Anyway, I observed a teacher who was not happy with Obama’s win at all and told her kids ‘negro’. I could tell she was not amused about the historic event.

      My friend went back to England with not so good memory of New Zealand people.

      • Kelly
        April 23, 2013 at 2:22 am

        ::”My friend who emigrated from England (Asian) with her English husband and children went back to England. They stayed here for 2 years and the problem started from her son’s first school. He was bullied as ‘nigger’, she went to school to talk about it with his teacher. Her response was using nigger was nothing wrong in New Zealand”

        I am 45 yrs old and have NEVER heard the term “nigger” used in my life,,,with the exception of American movies and songs.

        I would not be surprised if it was a term used by teenager who have adopted that language from TV and movies but I would be very quick to ensure that American crap language is not acceptable to most adult kiwis. My son is 21 and I have never heard him use language like that (his best friend from 12 yrs old is originally from Hong Kong)

        ” My own experience observing a school reading class. I visited a Catholic primary school (NZ catholic school is not a private school) with my daughter”

        Catholic schools are absolutely private schools…..being Catholic is a condition of enrolment!

        . “An older female teacher was talking about books. While she was talking, she mentioned ‘negro’ became president in the USA. That must have been in 2008, I guess when Obama was elected. She didn’t show any emotions, but simply put the word ‘negro’ 3 times. There was no explanation about the historic event. The kids were about 10 or 11. There were some Indian, Asian kids as well”

        My mother is 70 this year, she also talked about Obama as a ‘Negro”. Negro was the term that her generation was taught as ‘correct’. My mum would have NEVER used the term ‘nigger’ and felt using the term ‘black’ was wrong. So she reverted to ‘Negro’.

        It must be the cultural divide to think that talking the Black American President (or calling him a Negro) could in anyway be thought of to describe anyone BUT an American.

        • P Ray
          April 23, 2013 at 10:03 am

          My mother is 70 this year, she also talked about Obama as a ‘Negro”. Negro was the term that her generation was taught as ‘correct’. My mum would have NEVER used the term ‘nigger’ and felt using the term ‘black’ was wrong. So she reverted to ‘Negro’.
          Just say “of African lineage/descent”. Is that too hard a definition to get accustomed to?

  108. Adejumo
    April 4, 2013 at 8:55 am

    What is the point smiling at people when you actually do hate them ? oi ?

  109. April 7, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I am off NZ now, and I’m pretty happy with it…Me and my family we experienced rasism, and bullying, in our jobs/schools, and everywhere…We are thankfull we are caucasians, because if we were Indians, or Chinese, it could be 100-times worse. We are Greeks, and we spend 4 years there, and we always had to deal with verbal abuse about our nationality because of Greece’s ecomonic problems and we are most dissapointed by the indifference of our children’s school, to help tackle the constant bullying they expecienced both from teachers and peers. We decided we rather come back than to stay in a country where public hospitals turn away foreigner workers like me, rents are unaffordable and houses are unsafe/ or of very low quality, and there is no antibullying law/procedure at school.
    I wish I knew better before moving to NZ, but now at least, I know how the true NZ looks like…

    • Sylvia
      April 7, 2013 at 11:13 am

      Just put up my story on Kelsey’s by mistake. Was going to write related with her, but changed my mind an wrote something else. And then, I found your message just now.

      You mentioned job searching at health care sector. Since i became so aware of the racism in NZ, I wonder how minorities are treated in health sector as patients.

      Anyway, I would like to wish you all the best for you and your family!

      I guess you go back to Greece? Then, at least you’ll be able to communicate with your native language and express yourself as much as you can! That will be so good!

      • Sylvia
        April 7, 2013 at 11:16 am

        Oh, I read wrong. You are already gone back to Greece! Hope everything is well there!

  110. Liv
    April 12, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    I came to NZ in my early teens, went to school and university there. Things were slightly different back then, since there weren’t that many eastern asians (chinese, koreans, japanese). But things were changing over time, more asians came in, most of us work hard, pay tax and make contribution to the society. However, I do have to point out that there are some that came in with tons of cash, and are ignorant, refused to learn the language. That’s probably where racism came from. Also as a small country, it is understandable that the flood of asian people do pose a thread, and insecurity.

    Had my own experiences of working in NZ for few years upon graduation. I noticed that there were hardly any asians at the top management level, many of us were just put into some bottom positions for years and years, regardless of our achievements. Not only the asians noticed that, but also my co workers from england, they told me that asian talents are much better treated and appreciated in the UK.

    For the past 5 years, I had lived in europe, did more studies and learned to speak more european languages. It is not uncommon to find educated people in europe speak at least four languages, which is a bit amusing that people get judged only by their english language skills in NZ. During these 5 years, I had never encountered any racism towards asian perhaps in the whitest countries possible. I love NZ, but not sure if I would ever come back any more.

  111. P Ray
    April 18, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Interesting news bit:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/3026635/Bleak-outlook-without-immigration-Coleman

    Immigration contributes significantly to every New Zealander’s per capita income, new research shows.

    The Department of Labour’s International Migration Settlement and Employment Dynamics research showed that “without immigration, the outlook is bleak”, Immigration Minister Jonathan Coleman said.

    Without current levels of immigrants moving to New Zealand, the population would drop by 9.6 percent and gross domestic profit (GDP) by 11.3 percent by 2021.

    At the current 20,000 annual net flow, annual GDP would be an extra $28 billion by 2021.

    Double the number of immigrants, 40,000, would see GDP per capita rise 1.5 percent.

    Dr Coleman said government policy had to “continue to focus on economic gains from immigration”.

    … I don’t confuse immigration with integration as it’s obvious that the article does not talk about the value of diversity.
    What is interesting is that they left out contribution via originating region of migrants.
    Since this would create one of two implications, either that one section of migrants has a higher bar to cross or one section of migrants pays more for goods and services.

  112. Gregory Peischl
    April 22, 2013 at 4:49 am

    I can’t see why everyone can’t have a place, including racists. New Zealand was built by and for white people, specificly Brits. No one else has any right there. A place for everyone!

    • P Ray
      April 22, 2013 at 7:31 pm

      And yet so many British people get told they are “whining POMs”.
      You wouldn’t have let them into the country if they didn’t have the dollars NZ craved …

  113. Hesitant
    April 22, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    I found this page by googling “racism new zealand” after reading an article about a white supremacist group from Christchurch, and must admit that I am shocked at the state of affairs in New Zealand based on the comments in this post. I was planning a vacation to the South Island in July, travelling around in a campervan – now I am genuinely concerned about my physical safety as an Asian tourist of Chinese descent. I’ve traveled to at least a dozen countries in Asia, North America and Europe and have only had racist abuse yelled at me from cars twice – once in Canada, and once in Croatia – and cannot imagine that it seems fairly common in New Zealand. It totally ruined my day, and I cannot imagine putting myself through the same distressing experience again.

    • P Ray
      April 23, 2013 at 10:00 am

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8583127/The-cost-of-looking-different-in-Hamilton

      Or you could just get charged double for entry into bars (among other things).
      Disclosure: I was never charged ANYTHING. On the flip side, I always went in a suit and tie.
      Heh … and always got carded (yay for the genes that keep you looking young). Eh, and I’m Asian too.

      • Kelly
        June 1, 2013 at 12:19 am

        They are odd genes though. Asian people look super young forever and then BOOM overnight they look ANCIENT!
        It is almost like middle-age just never exist! One minute they are 40-ish and wrinkle free, next minute ALL wrinkles and ancient.
        It must be genes!

        • E2NZ
          June 1, 2013 at 6:52 pm

          Racial profiling now? Stay classy Kelly, you’re a credit to your country.

          • Kelly
            June 1, 2013 at 10:39 pm

            Racial profiling? Seriously???

            I agreed with your comment!
            “the genes that keep you looking young). Eh, and I’m Asian too.”. YES THEY DO!!! But very old age looks great on Asians too.

            I just said that Asian people never look middle aged, They look young forever and then do VERY old soooo well!

            Racial profiling?
            Here is some “racial profiling” for you. I have noticed that most red heads are Scottish or Irish. I have noticed that most polynesians have curly hair. I have noticed that chinese people have black hair. I have noticed Australians have horrid accents.I have noticed that in my family woman are short and men are very tall.

            RACIAL PROFILING!!!!!!!!!!! You are ridiculous!

            • E2NZ
              June 2, 2013 at 12:52 am

              Did you learn that in a school assembly, or were you brought up to think this way?

        • P Ray
          June 1, 2013 at 8:55 pm

          Come on, if you’re going to rehash that tired reddit, at least include a link.
          Don’t be like those lazy students who write clever things without proper citation. That’s plagiarism and is academic misconduct.

          http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1eh0c6/this_woman_is_46_years_old/

          On the other hand there is also this:

          http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/gallery/before-and-after-drug-abuse/crystal-meth-abuse/index.htm

          Stay off the drugs, mmmkay?

          • Kelly
            June 2, 2013 at 1:16 am

            I had to ask my son what “reddit” is.

            After my first brief look, it looks like a place that takes far too much bullshit to learn bullshit.

            I made what I thought was a compliment to Asian skin because I wish I had skin like that! I’m 46, I need young skin!

            Just for the record the hardest drug I partake in is a Sav Blanc

            • E2NZ
              June 2, 2013 at 1:23 am

              When you’ve sobered up ask him what racism is.

    • P Ray
      April 23, 2013 at 10:04 am

      My experience (on the assault side of things) was having things thrown at me from cars, and escaping from a skinhead group. So you might want to put in some gym time to keep up the stamina for a sudden run when you need it.

  114. Robert
    April 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    I am white born in NZ , but my children are married to Asians. I’m sickened to read this web-page because so many posts are driven by bigoted hatred of white Kiwis and NZ culture. If you come into a tiny insular country like NZ and insult the people and the culture you will be perceived by the natives as invaders and destroyers. The whites whose families have lived here for generations are natives in a similar sense to Maori. They grew up in a relatively harmonious bicultural society , not a multicultural society. Understanding and respect form a two-way street. Do not come into NZ with a bolshy attitude and presume to teach NZers how to suck eggs.

  115. Robert
    April 30, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Another point for those thinking about coming to NZ: if you are the sort of person who would go on internet forums to moan about the quality of NZ houses or anything else which Kiwis regarded as whinging, then you are the sort of person who would find NZ culture hard going and its people hard to make friends with.

  116. Kiwi
    May 2, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    The government needs to take immigration seriously and apply tougher citizenship laws like in Switzerland where it takes 12 years to gain citenzenship by naturalisation. The other issue is the sky high home prices that is not helped by non resident Asians purchasing homes becaue they can i.e. there is no government law stopping them from buying our homes which is pushing up prices. An Asian Auckland professor has also given insight on how asain men in Cjina and Korea are expected to have a home no matter where is is in order to attract and marry Asian women – -so they choose NZ which is an easy target haven been driven away from other countries like Singapore where they have quickly introduce tas to prevent this nonsense.

    • E2NZ
      May 3, 2013 at 2:45 am

      Are you serious?

      And what about all the Kiwis returning home with their overseas earned wealth, buying up investment properties without the hindrance of stamp duty to moderate their spending?

      Thanks for showing our readers just how bad racism is in New Zealand.

    • P Ray
      May 3, 2013 at 6:16 am

      The other issue is the sky high home prices that is not helped by non resident Asians purchasing homes becaue they can i.e. there is no government law stopping them from buying our homes which is pushing up prices.
      I know, it’s quite horrifying if someone from overseas can offer a price the seller can live with to get a house. And if you make it tough for those people to hang around (i.e. proper qualifications but no job) … why do you think they should stay given that they have no income?
      On the flip side, is there a breakdown of beneficiary recipients by ethnic community?

      An Asian Auckland professor has also given insight on how asain men in Cjina and Korea are expected to have a home no matter where is is in order to attract and marry Asian women – -so they choose NZ which is an easy target haven been driven away from other countries like Singapore where they have quickly introduce tas to prevent this nonsense.
      The stamp duty is only some percentage. You do know Singapore suffers from a land shortage, right? Manying Ip is that professor you are talking about.
      P.S. Maybe they wouldn’t need to buy houses if your local kiwi girls threw themselves at them. Something to think about :) If you don’t want an overheated housing market on account of Asian men buying houses to be seen as a good prospect to Asian women … you could always – give them an alternative offer.
      P.P.S. NZ has sold 9 times more land to people from Liechtenstein than China. Have fun being racist … to people you can’t visually distinguish from the majority of the NZ-born.

  117. Halfie
    May 7, 2013 at 12:26 am

    I have spent ages reading lots of the comments, views and opinions shared here. some of them are alarming, distressing and worrying to say the least. there are definitely some valid and true points as well as some far fetched ones, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. I am half black and half white, not trying to be racist just saying it how it is, and I have experienced both sides of racism. I have grown up in both New Zealand and in the Pacific Islands. Being a halfcast woman I have experienced racism for not being fully black but then also for not being fully white either. racism is always a two way street and yes I will agree with some of you who say it is learned. I don’t believe we are born racist creatures but over time we experience, learn and encounter certain things that either make us racist towards others or have others be racist towards us. I learnt at a young age while at school about racism when a swastika was drawn on one of my belongings by a wee white fella. at the time i didn’t think much of it as I didn’t fully understand racism but i understood that it was to do with the colour of my skin. Still to this day I don’t think much of it because i know that that wee kid probably didn’t even realise what exactly he was drawing or the history behind that sign, he probably learnt it off someone else. I know what it feels like to be discriminated against because I am slightly dark but I also know what it feels like to be discriminated against because I am slightly white. I have been called nigger numerous times by white people but then have been almost looked down on by my own pacific people as I am not fully black. or even when other races look down on me as I am PI and immediately think that I am an underachiever, I’m lazy and can’t work hard, or won’t extend myself in learning and will just end up dropping out of school and having heaps of kids – all of these stereotypes but not always true! it is not always direct but at times subtle and indirect. But despite this i claim and am proud of both my New Zealand background and PI background. I do believe New Zealand has issues with racism but what country doesn’t??! every single nation, country, race, ethnic group etc has their own faults, their own mistakes and their own problems to deal with including racism, discrimination, prejudices and stereotypes which are all ugly truths. yes some groups of people experience more racism than others and that is extremely unfortunate but we must not forget at the end of the day we are all imperfect human beings living in the same world. as a half Kiwi I am protective of my country and hate seeing it being put down and bad mouthed by others, just as any patriotic citizen would. Generally I think NZ isn’t too racist, yea we have opinions about people and things but again who doesn’t??! I think it is at times a small minority of racists that give the rest of us Kiwis a bad name, we are actually good, friendly, down to earth people who get along with others from all walks of life, we aren’t all crazy, wack racists who go out of our way to hurt immigrants or those from other ethnicities!! I know we ain’t perfect but we aren’t as bad as others. I also think that one’s own perception of things can come into the equation as well. I have often thought when walking into a shop, or anywhere really, and I see the staff or another customer staring at me or the security’s eyes follow me round the shop, is that to do with the colour of my skin or is it do with maybe I have something on my face or maybe they think I’m a lil good lookin!?! ;) nah but who knows what is going on in their brain, you might take it personally and think they are being racist or you might just shrug it off and keep shopping and not think much of it! at the end of the day I think it’s important to see someone first as a human being not their ethnic origin, their religion or beliefs, not their history and lastly “not judged by the colour of the skin but by the content of their character.” (Martin Luther King Jr.)

    • P Ray
      May 28, 2013 at 11:47 pm

      we aren’t all crazy, wack racists who go out of our way to hurt immigrants or those from other ethnicities!!
      Let me deconstruct this misguided notion.
      Assume you are in HR or the hiring manager at your company.
      Step 1. Resume lands on your desk – not a local-sounding name. Not a citizen either.
      Step 2. Place resume in trash.
      See, no need to go out of your way to hurt immigrants or those from other ethnicities, you are merely putting waste paper into the trash.
      That’s how people can be “racist without appearing to be racist”.

  118. ubetYu
    May 11, 2013 at 3:23 am

    Don’t Worry— “What goes around Comes around”. Kiwis are already being prejudiced in Australia. Someday, their descendants will also be discriminated against. The world is changing. Most industrialized nations are faltering. Emerging economies are now mostly from third world countries. Someday them racists children and grandchildren will work for Asians, Latinos and Africans. So all you racists out there enjoy your racist tendencies now because payback will be in full in the future. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! HAIL KARMA!!!!

  119. Kim
    May 27, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Thank you about this topic. it make me feel stronger in my heart. I live in NZ for 7 years I try to adapt and adopt to NZ environment but so hard that I have lots of time talk with my husband how to choose about leaving NZ or stay more another years. You know this topic mean lots for me to be patient to live in this country because we still be called family if I tell the truth I am not feel happy to live in NZ any more. I just wish and dream to going out as soon as I can. No place like home!

  120. Kim
    May 27, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Ps. My husband white original Kiwi but lots of time I found not just only Asian been abused but my husband too from same skin color or opposite. So sometimes I think not just Asian but look like everyone been abused from bad people here.

  121. Shona
    May 27, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Wow. Obviously this is an issue that a lot of people have opinions on. Personally, I think racism isn’t exactly a societal issue, but one that concerns individuals. In an ideal world, when people take responsibility for their own words and actions, then racism wouldn’t exist because the only person you would be able to judge would be yourself.
    Of course, this ideal world doesnt exist. Yet.

    • P Ray
      May 28, 2013 at 11:41 pm

      In an ideal world, when people take responsibility for their own words and actions, then racism wouldn’t exist because the only person you would be able to judge would be yourself.
      In my opinion, generally people don’t take responsibility for themselves.
      However, we are not told the information that made them make those decisions. Lies are one of the reasons society breaks down, the others are lack of reciprocation and deceivers.
      In the real world, you cannot murder, steal or kidnap.
      But through the magic of the ballot box you can exercise those rights.
      Via war, inflation/taxation/confiscation(the only ways ANY government thus far works with money) and conscription.

      I’ve found that people who refuse to say racism is wrong …
      are generally either racist or want special (unearned) privileges for themselves out of proportion to their needs or ability.
      Besides, from a pragmatic point of view, pissing people off because of their skin colour may lose you opportunities.
      Then again, I am pretty sure you don’t go to a mechanic or a doctor because you like their fashion sense or whether they speak with an accent – you go there because you require their expertise, like their price or delivery time.
      To a very great extent, every interaction is a transaction.
      But to go back to pissing people off: of course, some people become pissed off when you speak the truth. They’d like the status quo to remain, where they benefit: Which is also why many liars get ahead. Oh well, reward the liar and earn the lie :)

  122. DB
    May 29, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    I don’t think it really matters but I am a “Pakeha” .I attend a school in Wellington and the experiences some of you have shared has seriously shocked me and I personally would never stoop to such low actions as discriminating somebody based upon race. I have many Asian friends and none of this would be tolerated at my school, we regularly experience different cultures at assemblies during school where if you have a different background then it is something which is celebrated. New Zealand may have a problem but I can assure you it is far worse else where around the world, racism should not be tolerated anywhere but you cannot argue that there is no racism in every single nation (including Asia). I know of a friend who visited Japan where he was an outcast for a long time and was considered an ‘outsider’ because of his race. Look, NZ isn’t perfect but no where is perfect. Conflict is human nature.

    • E2NZ
      May 30, 2013 at 2:51 am

      “New Zealand may have a problem but I can assure you it is far worse else where around the world”

      And how does that make racism in New Zealand more tolerable? You have admitted you are shocked by what you’ve read, yet you fall into the trap of comforting yourself with the belief that these awful things are more tolerable because it’s so much worse somewhere else?

      How easily you dismiss the experiences of many people based on what you see in your school assemblies.

      Perhaps when you’ve finished school you’ll have the opportunity to see something of the world beyond Wellington. Stop defining yourself as pakeha, and call yourself a global citizen.

    • P Ray
      May 30, 2013 at 12:59 pm

      I have many Asian friends and none of this would be tolerated at my school, we regularly experience different cultures at assemblies during school where if you have a different background then it is something which is celebrated.
      The real racism happens after school … examples include getting a job, getting a date, access to the benefit, access to scholarships :)
      You know, when it comes to the chances of your building a life in NZ even when you completely grew up there.
      P.S. How many of your Asian friends are permanent residents or non-citizens? Reason I ask is because in game theory, there is this idea of “shadow of the future” – you are more likely to treat well, people that can be in contact with you regularly … because they can negatively affect your future prospects. Others get the shaft …

  123. skadush
    June 4, 2013 at 5:39 am

    I just moved here in new zealand and trust they are racist. espcially finding jobs.

    • PeterTang
      June 14, 2013 at 1:30 pm

      I had the same experience like yours. I left for Australia and managed to secure a high post job within a week. I was in NZ for 1.5 years job hunting and had to work as cashier in PakNSave. Common replies on rejection are
      1. no NZ experience…although i have 10 years OE working in world class project internationally…(Ironic or just pure hypocrite when Kiwis travel abroad to get OE)..not even given opportunity for Fresh Graduate vacancy.
      2. I don’t have Kiwi Accent….yeah..I speak Queen’s English…At 2 interviews, the interviewers asked,’Are you from UK?’….
      3. I am South East Asian….One recruiter at Hamilton SODA asked,’Can you speak English?’, ‘ China must be really cold that’s why you moved here’….I was like ???? WTF??
      4. I was a regular at one of the Cafe in The Base, Hamilton….The regular barista that always welcome me in the morning asked,’Why are you still here? When are you going back to your home country?’ and I replied, ‘I live and work here’….after that he turned cold towards me…I stop visiting that cafe after that…
      5. A kiwi friend, more like unfriendly neighbour, as I was complaining to him on how hard to get job after he told me he was living on dole, said,’If you don’t like the country, then GET out…maybe Asian should be with Asian.’…So this is the hardworking kiwi? living on dole and doesn’t even attempt to get a permanent job.
      6. At another interview, the director said,’Maybe Asian prefers to be fruit picker rather than working in key post’

      and the list goes on….

      • P Ray
        June 17, 2013 at 3:12 am

        Here’s something else to think about though:
        Would you have verbally cut dead an Asian who pried about your private life or made such ridiculous comments?
        One of the reasons why people are emboldened to behave badly is because no-one calls them out on their boorishness.

      • P Ray
        June 20, 2013 at 9:54 am

        I’d advise anyone looking for the quick job fix in Australia to be careful, and only make the move when a written offer is on the table. JUST the same for anyone looking for the quick job fix in NZ.
        As an example, it has become VERY difficult for accountants to secure a job even if they began and completed their studies in Australia.
        Uprooting your life is not something to be done willy-nilly.

  124. Gab
    June 4, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Japan has its share of ethnocentric racists but the right-wing idiots over here don’t personally heckle and fling crap at minorities from unmarked moving vehicles like in New Zealand, especially Christchurch. This city already developed a bad reputation for being unable to build and maintain modern office blocks that can withstand the jolt of a moderate scale earthquake, so let’s not have racist physical violence tarnishing the city’s name any further, because it’s difficult enough to raise awareness of New Zealand as a potential tourist destination to the Japanese, let alone persuading them to visit the ‘tiny village’ of Christchurch in the age of super cheap holidays to Australia, the Marianas and other tourist spots that matter.

    Then again, I doubt New Zealand gives a crap about Japanese tourists, the average Kiwi can’t tell the difference between East Asian Chinese, Japanese or Koreans to begin with. Oh and there’s this irony that all those racist hecklers and egg chuckers drive used Japanese cars, so what’s the message they really want to tell their victims? “Go home Asians, I drive a Subaru which was driven by a half-a-dozen Japos before it was shipped to New Zealand which then I stole.”

  125. rizalino reyes
    June 11, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Yeah, NZ is truly a racist country. I should know I lived there for years and received racism not only from Pakehas but also Maoris and even an Aborigine in New Zealand Post. So you can’t expect me to be sympathetic to Aborigine in Aust. In New Zealand Post, they expected me to do all the work manual work at that and the team leader accused me of being lazy to the instigation of I think her Maori coworker who was racist towards me. In the union meet all they can say is cultural gap despite the team leader saying she does not know why she was racist to me. I am a science grad of the most competitive university in my country and hope never to set foot in New Zealand. I know UP Phds working as janitors can you imagine!

    • Indian Student
      July 25, 2013 at 4:20 am

      I came in New Zealand for one year PG diploma in University, from India. As every Indian coming over here I also had a dream of making friends in University while studying along with them. But within three to four months I realized that No one literally no one came to me and just say even a ‘Hi’. It was like I was completely being ignored in the class room. The friends whom I made was like me who came from India to study in the Uni and they were also treated the same like me. Its been an year since I am here and the story is the same. I am from a culturally rich country and completed my bachelors and masters in a University and what happened in India was that if anyone was from some other state came to our institute we would go to him or her and talk with them about their culture, family and if they have any kind of problems while settling in the new place and make that person our friend. But here there was no one, even the people in the International student office say that you have to gel in the system, I always wonder that how can you gel in some place where there is no one talking to you even the Indians who are born and brought up here didn’t talked with us. First time in my life I have seen that how one is being alienated in a place because you don’t have white color, no one talks with you and you just come and attend the class and go back to your house. Also there are many stories which I have heard from other Indians who came here to study that how they were punched in their faces, kicked and got looted with all of their cash and mobile phones plus being offered with various racial insults. Never in my life I felt that making friends is so difficult. Me and my friend were also gifted with F*** you Indians insult when we were walking on a road on a friday night. I would not recommend anyone to come in this country because it is not as they say on their different college and uni websites that the environment here is very friendly and blah blah. Nothing like that happens here and moreover there is no jobs over here as they depict on their sites. I don’t know, but its quite depressing when you are treated as you don’t belong to that place when you are away from your loved ones and came to an unknown place and environment for better prospects.

  126. c,brown
    June 11, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    To all you racists New Zealanders ,I have lived in this country for over 30 years .From primary school till now you have called me terrorist ,curry muncher, rag head etc.When ever I challenged you were shocked that I stood up for my self and you backed off like a coward.I am stay right here and you make me leave.Just as much as you hate me now I feel sorry for you lot,in such a nice country you are brought up so twisted and full of hate………even the poorest people who I meet in my life through out the world in the poorest of countries are more welcoming and friendly than you lot, brought up in the land of milk of honey but jealous greedy as hell.

  127. P Ray
    June 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/8782258/Attacking-sisters-hurled-fists-and-racism

    Interesting case.
    The defence used by the girls:
    Defence lawyer Jacinda Younger said the incident was triggered by Mr Gupta grabbing Tawharu’s breasts.
    Her sister’s lawyer, Mike Andrews, two weeks’ ago accused Mr Gupta of grabbing one of the women’s bottoms.
    Judge Lynch noted the “part of the anatomy” had changed.

    Always take the time to enable recording devices on your person, it may save you a false sex-harassment charge or a racist the chance of getting away by claiming a sexual assault.

  128. June 24, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I would like to welcome all people to our country Manakitanga is key for how we treat people (Tangata whenua ) the first people of the land it is with us that you should build a relationship first shame on all of us buying into the hatred and bull crap about asians etc… shame
    the hatred and thinking is only coming from the western world world beliefs of money rulz the world and all that fear mongering its all about money and been victims of fear what ever racism is when we carry on the bull crap that we lose jobs housing what ever that is not true …read the facts who really owns this country I am asahmed to read all this crap listening to it on talk backs one eyed racist views guess what we dont all think like the majority of whingers and whiners in the country …….who have nothing better to do than complain , run other cultures down and sit on these sites writing lots of crap yak I am so ahamed and sick of negative views and guess what I just turn off the radio and dont normally read all the racist crap coming from moaners and whingers with nothing better to do guess what diversity and difference is every where we are everywhere could be one day you daughter in law son in law , landlord , tenant , future boss …….. aroha ki te tangata always think well of others in how we treat people
    Kai Tahu proverb
    Tania M

  129. Alyssa
    July 4, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I agree that New Zealand is very much a racist country but I completely disagree when you blamed it on white people. It’s all of us. Maori and Pakeha.
    I get just as much crap for being white in my town.
    We should all be equal. None of us are any less human because our skin tones are different.
    And you can’t just blame one whites. We are all “tossers”

    P.s. I’m Pakeha with Pakeha, Maori, Japanese, Indian and Cambodian friends.

  130. Anthony
    July 4, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    I can’t claim to know a great deal about NZ as a country because I’ve never been there.I do however have family over there that I do not speak to anymore.They left England 30 years ago to start a new life and periodically visited us every 5 years.There seemed to be a very gradual and unpleasant change to their characters in this time that led to a lot of friction between myself and them.They did display these racist atitudes mentioned here and seemed to take an almost parochial attitude(i.e what happens outside NZ was of no consequence whatsoever).Furthermore they became arrogant ,rude and insufferable:whether this is a charcter flaw on their part or an indication of Kiwi out look,I couldn’t say.Perhaps a KIWI could offer his or her opinion?

  131. cornfield
    July 8, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I remember hearing complaints from British women there that their men had become feral (Kiwified) after migration. Hygiene, manners, out the window.

    • Anthony
      July 21, 2013 at 10:49 am

      …and I thought the water was gratis over there!Dear
      me!

  132. amanda
    July 8, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    wow just stumbled onto this website and after reading the previous comments, left me with a headache. I’m part Moari and English. I have received racists comments from both sides..dirty moari..stuck up white B… and the list goes now. My family and I are quite open minded, worked hard and have a lot of friends from different nationalities. 30 years later, my sister married a migrant and they have 5 kids together. The younger kids 4&5 are teased and called filthy Indians from the white kids. The older kids who are lighter in color are called lazy Maoris by the Migrant kids. It is obvious these types of comments by a bunch of 4-9 year olds get it from their racist parents. Its got to the point now my brother n law wants to move them out of this stupid country (considering he is a citizen here and has one of the top jobs in this country). I already have siblings who couldn’t get a job here due their native race, the biggest excuse is they where over qualified, the reason is because they are half-cast, Now are earning big money in Japan and Australia. My problem is the ones who complain about migrants taking the jobs, then going around spreading hate, my answer is get off your lazy backside get a job then we don’t have to outsource jobs. ( Although all the cut backs in the market place are not helping thanks to the NZ govt, one of the reasons why my relatives have left.) I am living in a city where the fascist Nazi mindset has moved in and the name calling starts up when I get a tan in summer and hang out with my Asian mates. Something really needs to change here, not sure what but this country is really going to the pack.

  133. July 9, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Don’t get me started on job interviews in New Zealand,I have lived in the country for 19 years and now in my mid 20s when I applied for a job,I found one or two employers or HR’s would start sniggering during the job interview and also my mum who works in a supermarket,the staff would get jealous and her give her abuse too because she is a efficent worker and would refuse to take part in rumor spreading or gossiping

  134. M
    July 11, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Is this racism or not?

    I rang up an instructor yesterday to make an inquiry about an activity that she offers. I put the speaker phone on so my teenage daughter could hear the conversation as it was related with her. My daughter got the instructor’s number from her friend who gets lessons from her. When I rang, I told her who I was and why I rang. The instructor said she would ring me in 10 min. but she didn’t ring me back yet. (now the next day – more than 24 hours passed)

    If I took this as racism, would I be too sensitive? I wonder whether she would have rung us back if my teenage daughter or son who have no Asian accent. Or she might have even had time to talk on the spot yesterday, I wonder… (Before, she texted me to ring on her land line when she gets home, so I did)

    Now, even if she rings back, I do not have a good impression of her, so I probably would not choose her as my daughter’s instructor. Regardless racism or not, this is such a bad manner, I think. Would she have done that to people who speak with NZ accent or non Asian accent, e.g. European?

    Anyway, this is the first time my teenage daughter happen to observe the situation. She normally doesn’t take things as ‘racism’, so I don’t know how she is going to perceive this.

    This kind of thing is confusing to figure out whether it is a form of racism or not…

    What do you think of this? Is this just a very bad manner? Too busy? Forgot to ring back? Anybody had similar experience? Did you contact the person again? How did you respond/react?

    • E2NZ
      July 11, 2013 at 9:42 pm

      Plain old fashioned bad manners. Give her a call just in case she’s lost your number.

      • outoutout
        July 13, 2013 at 12:02 pm

        Yes, they are just slack like that in general. I wouldn’t take that as racism. Find someone else if you’re getting a bad vibe from her though. Trust your gut!

  135. M
    July 12, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    She has both my mobile number and land line. In any way, I
    would not like my daughter to have the instructor with such bad
    manners anymore. It seems she is very nice to my daughter’s friend,
    so we were told she is a very nice person and a good instructor.
    However, I saw her face on face book page and I don’t like her,
    either. It gives me the impression of what kind of person she is. I
    would have tried her if the phone conversation went well. But, I am
    glad that we don’t have to try her.

    • M
      July 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      By the way, I rang her today at 3pm because my daughter
      really wanted to ring her thinking she might have forgotten it. Her
      daughter got the phone, her speaker phone was on so I could hear a
      woman telling this girl to get my name and phone number and tell me
      to ring in 30 min. It was quiet so I couldn’t recognize her voice.
      I assumed it was her, but it could be another daughter. My gut
      feeling was her, though. It was adult talking. So, I rang back at
      3.30. The daughter got it again and said I should ring back in 2
      hours. So, I told her to tell her mum to ring me back when she
      comes home. So far, she hasn’t rung back. (4 hours later) My
      daughter in the meantime said she didn’t want her anymore. I’ve
      never encountered this kind of experience in regards of some
      activity either for myself or my children. Even though initially
      she texted me saying that she could give a lesson to my daughter,
      but her attitude changed after I range her up and wanted to talk
      about the details. But, as you two suggest, I’ll take her attitude
      as ‘slack’ ‘rude’ ‘meanness’ etc…other than racism. I don’t tell
      my daughter about ‘racism’ experience, yet. She also doesn’t say
      that. Just ‘forgot’ ‘mean’ .etc…

      • M
        March 5, 2014 at 5:44 pm

        Just an update – Some days ago, my daughter told me that she was sitting next to a girl in one of her classes. They talked about their common interest in horses. It turned out that the instructor lets the girl use her land for free horse riding with the instructor’s horse. My gut feeling was that she didn’t bother to talk with me in the first place. She just said that she gives lessons to people who have their own horses, let alone free riding. My daughter would have loved free riding, too. We didn’t even get to talk with her about different options at all. Blocked.

        • Admin
          March 5, 2014 at 5:48 pm

          Thanks for the update, that must’ve been upsetting for both of you.

  136. Hedrix
    July 22, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    the worst Managers are kiwis. and they are the worst
    professionals too… so lazy. They pretend that they know
    everything, but when it comes to the actual practice, they fail big
    time.

  137. Bored
    July 23, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I have applied to around 30 jobs since arriving in New Zealand. I am UK born and bred but my surname is not ‘white’.

    I have years of experience working for companies which are known around the world. I have applied for positions not only at my current level but at a level I was working at 5 years ago. So far I have not been accepted for ONE interview. I have been rejected from every single application even before they have seen me.

    You would think that it may be my CV, but in the UK, I didn’t seem to have a problem.

    • Michelle
      September 26, 2013 at 10:08 am

      I dont think its you…. i have had the same problem here as well.. and my CV was just fine in the UK and in South Africa where i am from….Im sorry to hear that..

  138. July 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Im kiwi(pakeha) but cant get a job. All I see is foreigners working every job in Auckland.
    How do think we feel when kiwis wont employ us.I worked 10 yrs overseas and come back to a city where all employers only hire immigrants, was never racist overseas and had plenty of foreign friends.Wish I never came back.NZ sux.

    • Deesh
      July 26, 2013 at 12:24 am

      I think Auckland is an anomaly in New Zealand. You do indeed see many foreigners working in Auckland. Move to a smaller city, and I am sure you will find the Pakeha Kiwis are given preference.

  139. PG
    July 26, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Thats what you get from excessive immigration , look at France , UK etc and now the last example is Singapore . Excessive immigration without good integration is the major problem , and even Singapore is paying the price with racism .
    Immigrants have to integrate and adopt culture , and government immigration services have to be much more selective backed up by legislation . Also governments have to made accountable under the law for mismanagement of this type , no political immunity .
    Also certain NGO’s who are for immigration has to be made responsible for their decisions.
    Any government today who does not listen to citizens concerning immigration is heading for instability and possibly racist reactions .

    • P Ray
      July 26, 2013 at 10:32 pm

      Excessive immigration without good integration is the major problem , and even Singapore is paying the price with racism .
      U wot m8?
      Immigration to Singapore is largely from China and India. Singapore is a multiracial Asian country. So that idea of “racism” is kind of insane.
      What is happening in Singapore is immigrant workers being paid less and locals being disregarded for positions – HARDLY what is happening in New Zealand, where some locals seem to have preference despite poorer schooling, grammar and ability!
      I’m sure no New Zealand citizen would want to step up to the plate of receiving less than the minimum wage.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8087351/Claims-Chinese-firms-routinely-underpaying

      As long as you think it’s only a problem for immigrants to get less than the award rate … you may later find yourself working for peanuts to compete. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

  140. Kris
    July 29, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    New Zealand was racist from its inception

  141. Mr Rupa
    August 1, 2013 at 5:25 am

    Irony; a country where the immigrants took over, and then complain about immigrants. There are too many immigrants in New Zealand ask any Maori! I see even the Indian population, hate the immigrants, and moan about the POMs maybe they should be reminded if it had not been for the POMs, maybe the poor Maori would not have lost his land. A lot of English emigrate to NZ and Aussieland because they think their country is full of immigrants! There is a poetic justice in that! However I think there is a psyche about “white/ British” people in that they do not like anyone who is coloured. Well that’s not quite true, they like Indian / Chinese, and Japanese women, their, food, yet hate the male of the species, they even try to get a tan, and go Bollywood dancing and love the fashion. I see the Indians in NZ hate Indians, however most I have met, suddenly become, Indian, with their white friends, and whilst over in England complain about the influx of Indians and how tradition they are!

  142. cameron
    August 6, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Hi i am a new zealander and my family sailed here 1879 and have lived here ever since i am very proud to be a scottish/kiwi and i do not think that me nor my family are racist what so ever and at the end of the day we are all people that live on the same planet but at the end of the day my family has been here longer then most so I demand respect and with respect I give respect. I dont care where your from I dont care if your a so called kiwi a russian a asian a European or a African I will show u respect and if you dont show respect in return theres gonna be a real problem. I think all of you will find us real kiwis (whos familys have lived here b4 1900) are not that racist at all and all the others arent racist they just dont like anyone. All you people need to harded the f up and not let people walk all over you. At the end of the day the people that dont and cant stand up for themselves are gonna get walked all over it doesnt matter where in the world you are its gonna happen because the fit survive so instead of pointing fingers at the wrong people get your facts straight. South Africans/russians/asians/germans theyre alot more racist then kiwis but the thing that makes us different is we dont put up with your guys crap. So the bottom line is if you act or look weak ur get picked on. Sh*t did your school tell you earth was heaven or something. Imagine my kids went to school in your country u dont think they would get picked on of course they would untill they hardened up and showed them theyre not little wimps. Hope this is of some help people :)

    • E2NZ
      August 6, 2013 at 1:32 am

      Thanks Cameron, we don’t normally publish posts like yours but it was such an excellent example of ingrained racism masquerading as self righteous indignation that we couldn’t let it pass.

      Have you considered that it is your attitude that needs to change. Ever thought about emigrating and getting some real world, mind broadening experience?

      • Pete Schwann
        August 8, 2013 at 7:58 pm

        Hi E2NZ. I personally didn’t find Cameron’s post racist. I think he trying to help. He offers a way of coping. It is not an approach I would use, but works for some.

    • P Ray
      August 11, 2013 at 2:14 am

      @Cameron:
      You’re a bit of a “fun guy” (fungi):
      All you people need to harded the f up and not let people walk all over you.
      So why are New Zealanders complaining about rising house prices? Willing buyer, willing seller.

      At the end of the day the people that dont and cant stand up for themselves are gonna get walked all over it doesnt matter where in the world you are its gonna happen because the fit survive so instead of pointing fingers at the wrong people get your facts straight.
      It must be fun for you guys to do your “over 4-years-cause-you-failed- too-many-times” degrees, while paying out of your own pocket since student loans don’t last past the 4th year (or 3rd year if you need to take CUP courses to get up to speed) … or to the completion of your Law/Medicine/Psychology qualifications. After all, the fit survive, amirite?

      So the bottom line is if you act or look weak ur get picked on.
      Don’t start complaining about gangsterism, thuggery or crime then. Only the weak get picked on.

      Imagine my kids went to school in your country u dont think they would get picked on of course they would untill they hardened up and showed them theyre not little wimps.
      I’d like to see that country in Asia where “not born there” people from “countries considered white”(correct me if my assumption is wrong) are picked on or treated with contempt, or paid LESS than locals. It’s been my observation that whether in China, South Korea, Singapore or other Asian countries, they’re paid MULTIPLES of the local person’s wages.
      Maybe that’s why I have little sympathy for the stupid argument “people from NZ cannot own land in Asian countries” … erm, your fat paycheque should certainly ease that disappointment. I also haven’t heard of that “person from a country considered white” who “died of overwork” in Asia.
      P.S. My experience as an Asian in NZ: “tolerance” is not “respect”. (Maybe it’s ’cause I’m an Asian male?)

    • Bruce
      July 5, 2014 at 8:47 pm

      You obviously have,nt lived anywhere else but NZ, My experience of school in a foreign culture as a student was the overall friendliness and hospitality of the students. In contrast to school in NZ (small city,southland) where if you were different you were ignored. by the way what does it mean to “harden up” ,are we all supposed to conform into the same kiwi bloke world view.

  143. Pete Schwann
    August 8, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    I’m sorry to hear about this. New Zealand used not to be so racist. As a so called white New Zealander, I find Auckland has aways had a problem. I personally find all racism disgusting and am interested in where everyone comes from, as I want to learn more. As a last comment, I think racists are usually stupid people anyway. They are also dangerous and racism causes wars!

  144. August 13, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Not much racism in NZ,,if youve travelled the world you will see much more racism than here ,,the maoris are the ones who have it hardest as the land was taken from them so harden up all ye.

    • P Ray
      August 18, 2013 at 4:31 am

      Then collect reparations from the people who wronged you, not others who have nothing to do with your quarrel.
      Simple enough, no?

  145. American Observer
    August 14, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    anyone think the Brother, Sister, Cousin law being a possible culprit?
    (for foreigners: Kiwis are allowed to marry brothers, sisters, cousins, etc. due to population)

    In fact, White Kiwi Males have lower IQs.
    (straight from a White Kiwi Female on YouTube)

  146. roberto
    August 19, 2013 at 3:48 am

    steven :
    while i admit I have seen this racism 1st hand ( Im a “Pakeha” which is the Maori word for white man/people ) I have had mates at school who came over to NZ to study and have had coworkers who have come over to work and I do believe it is appalling that it still happens. I believe it got worse with the so called Asian invasion, too many too fast and when people started losing jobs, homes and businesses to the people coming from other countries in this short time the racism issue flared again ever since with each new flood of people entering the country is viewed with the same suspicion because our government made a mistake back then and couldn’t fix it, look at how racism wasn’t such a widespread or maybe as noticeable problem before then people will come in small groups not like the floods of people we get now at times so we as a country had time to get used to and intermingle with the newcomers and now yes our government looks at them like cash cows and even the people. The people that come over think there is plenty of space jobs and money to go around because that is what they are told before they move so they save up and come over with enough money for a few weeks at best thinking that it would be easy to find a house,job etc etc, some do find it easy but don’t realize their success can put people out onto the street and worse some don’t even care. I do agree that it is a nasty problem in our country and agree with the comment “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” by plumtart2003 but I believe rather than demonizing us kiwis ( who are all really immigrants yes even the Maoris read the history and you’ll find it ) but in looking at the issue in its entirety, Our governments propaganda, the influx of immigrants, the loss of jobs and housing etc because there is not enough to go around, and finally the visible symptom of all of this the racism towards immigrants, while true racism still exists alot of it nowadays is not the same it is due to people being fearful of losing their jobs and houses so to try to stop this they treat immigrants like crap so enough leave that we aren’t struggling to feed and cloth ourselves and our families. I believe that if we cannot cope with the level of population we need to let people leave but temporarily reduce the amount of people coming into the country till we get down to a number we can sustain and increase that number slowly so this problem goes away and racism drops back to what it was or even better lower than what it was. its not personal I think but each and every person who has come over and experienced racism from our people ask yourself this ” how would you feel if your country was doing well life was good and then because of some idiot high up you get a massive amount of immigrants all at once to the point where they are taking your jobs homes and businesses etc etc like what has happened to us how would you react to that ? would you do any better ? or would you do worse ? by no means does this mean what you have experienced is justifiable or excusable but we are a small country and were unable to cope and since our government was just making the problem worse and still is, some people came up with this as a solution ( it didnt work too well either but there are all ways stubborn people still clinging to old ways as with every country and culture ) I would like to change the quote “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” into ” Pretty Land, Retard In Charge Making Toxic People”

  147. roberto
    August 19, 2013 at 3:55 am

    but this is NZ goverment fault and not from people ho save aloot to go to a better place! for nz goverment the income from international students are far better than nz citizen interests… so go complain and made a revolution or kick goverment ass, but the immigrants dont have the blame

    • P Ray
      August 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      Revolutions can only happen if people believe that will make things change.
      The lack of that, what does that say about the future of government in New Zealand (and the people the government is made up of) … or how people there will treat immigrants and not refugees?

  148. Alf
    September 18, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    I often wince with embarressment when I overheard stupid ignorant statements made by my fellow new zealanders (I’m white and I m talking about white nzers). New zealanders are nice people but unfortaunetly because of our isloation and cultural backwardness, we are narrow minded. It is what it is. I’m very sorry to hear of an mistreatment towards asians. Speaking from experience I’ve travelled to china korea japan. And the asians are incrediably polite and treated me excellently. New zealanders needed to grow up, extend themselves, overcome that small-town mentaility.

  149. James
    September 22, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    I feel very sorry for all of the people here. And the people who threw racist comments at them are F***ing mentals

  150. hehe
    September 26, 2013 at 4:12 am

    NZ has always been and will always be a racist country i think. Especially the HR. You cant find a decent job here if your a black race or asian :(

  151. crackerjack
    September 27, 2013 at 3:08 am

    I know that where I come from, a certain percentage of right-wingers, especially from backward areas, can be counted on to make comments about people of other races, religions, orientations. and so on. In New Zealand, as with the drug use, it crosses lines that surprise you. So an upper middle class leftie Greens party accountant we knew in the Far North was using terms like “taking a Maori shower”, “Maori earthmoving” and others. His father would call individual male Maoris “Hori” and other Polynesian people “Felofasofa” and so on, making fun of the way their names sounded and the attributes associated with their cultures. They regarded this as joking and not as a genuine reflection of their beliefs, but the demographics of their personal networks generally corroborated their preference for their own sort.

  152. Jess
    October 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Always do not go for Racist as all are same human we all human no matter from heat country we are coming or what race we are (eg, British, mouri, new zelander, Chinese, Malay, Arab, Indian & etc etc).
    Human are always not perfect why need criticize each other by the way all human or all races are running ReD color blood can it be other color?? Green or yellow .
    I do agree to some ppl are feel hurt by others but god is there watching us so what come around will go around.
    Easy country need to growth that is why immigration look for ppl to come in to boom the country and actually I do hv the same feeling some will racist due to job selection they sure will put away those Chinese resume even they fit the job but do not worry when time change everything will be change.
    Anyway most richest man in top list there is many Chinese or Indian is coming soon as now India booming due to country population, so why worry see thing in wide range of ankle.
    I been here also becoz my husband get a offer job here and we not border whether their ppl are not happy on us becoz we are coming here to take their bowl of rice but if anyone hv brain can think why the company choose overseas staff coming in instead get their own ppl is quality (fast deliver/able to handle job without any problem lacking for your boss and experience of work how to overcome when there is issue coming & etc..,)
    I actually also seeking job around and I know that my application have been rejected maybe hv many ppl are applying as per recruitment agency told and company hv selected are better candidate but when I search job again they advertise in another job website which mean they still not get the candidate why they are bluffing me it’s maybe they just want me to feel better and they are looking for even better than mine to fill the position. Why I want to said this is always think positive if ppl turn me down then I work more harder to let them accept and agree with us. Never ever be negative thinking as when you go negative thing will come negative.
    All my ex boss and even some colleague also surprise that I can’t even get a job in nz they are headhunter in my country always call me for job opportunity even I’m hire but when you are hire you will not probAbly want to go even they paid high salary and the company own by Japanese or us.
    So be happy everyone always be greatful what you have and not criticize racist all are living in the same country and same roof who know one day when you need help the person was the one you criticize.
    Good luck everyone

  153. Nickname
    October 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    I’m an international student and I have been in New Zealand for 2 years I really cannot stand it anymore, When I study in Auckland I cannot even walk outside of CBD without hearing at least once ” fuckin’ asian ”, I was just walking on the street and nothing else. Then I go to the university in south island and one day someone kicked me from the behind while saying something i don’t know but contains f-words and I just throw my glass soda bottle to the ground to show him I was mad. I always remained silent when someone said s**t to me just because of I’m Asian, after that, I started to carry weapons wherever I go, I now warn every racist, if you once again step on my dignity, then I will let your birthday party become funeral, my bullet does not show mercy to men, women, or children. Be careful.

  154. Lee
    October 10, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Wow this is fascinating reading! I came across this site by accident while doing some research for an assignment. I consider myself a kiwi – my grandparents first settled here in the 50’s and my parents grew up here. I am of pacific descent. I have never experienced racism, though my parents and grandparents definitely have. So it saddens me that visitors have had bad experiences and may be tarring us all with the same brush.

    I may have been protected by being a Pacific Islander, because we are generally bigger and sometimes ‘scarier’ then our European fellow kiwis. Or it may be because I grew up in blended neighborhoods where it was common to find households of Maori, Pasifika and European families living side by side. Or it could be my generation, who were less rigid and insular compared to the generations before, so mingled socially without any obvious disapproval or racial discrimination. Who knows?

    Experiencing any type of discrimination in any country is bad but that it’s my own beautiful NZ is totally disheartening. I don’t believe that racism runs rampant through entire communities, towns and cities in NZ but I do believe it is here. It sucks but I am strong enough to rise above it.

    • E2NZ
      October 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm

      Interesting you say you rise above it yet you’re not adverse to doing a bit of racial stereotyping.

      You leave out people of Asian decent in your analysis of “blended” communities despite them making up a large proportion of the population of NZ. Maybe the problem here is that a definition of racism is missing in New Zealand and there is selective blindness. Maybe you need to have your perspectives challenged?

  155. P Ray
    October 12, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Sometimes people enjoy digging holes for themselves to keep busy:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9274721/Tertiary-Asianisation-comments-refuted

    A former Wintec lecturer has labelled international students as a “growing cancer” on the quality of New Zealand’s tertiary education system.

    In a scathing column for the Waikato Times, Max Christoffersen, a former business studies and communications teacher at Wintec, has blasted the “corporatisation and commercialisation” of the domestic student experience.

    But Christoffersen might have a lone supporter in Tertiary Education Union national president Lesley Francey. She was critical of the column’s tone, but said the Government could do more to ensure international students had adequate support.

    “We have a duty of care to ensure they have the requisite language skills to complete the courses and they have the student support and pastoral support there so that they are actually coming to get the education they think they are coming for.”

    Francey said international students were “definitely” being used to prop up tertiary institutions who were “chronically” underfunded.

    Durrr … the government considered their language skills sufficient to be allowed in to begin and complete their courses.
    Take it up with the government then, or is it a case of, you want the money but not the student?
    P.S. You could always print more money too, ever heard of Quantitative Easing?

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  157. Mr_Alex
    November 6, 2013 at 4:58 am

    Are there any immigrants in the Wellington/Hutt Valley Area that has had enough of the country as a whole,is anyone open to maybe a meeting at a cafe or bar to share our experience in New Zealand?

  158. GoFlyNZ
    November 6, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Hedrix :
    the worst Managers are kiwis. and they are the worst
    professionals too… so lazy. They pretend that they know
    everything, but when it comes to the actual practice, they fail big
    time.

    I was told on more than one occasion when I first started at my “major kiwi company” job that I worked really fast & well. I was just doing my job to the same standard I did in the UK previously. I was told to ‘take a break’ or ‘sit down’ or ‘relax’ a few times. Over the years I must have reduced myself to their level as I didn’t hear it much before I left (after 9 years with that company)

  159. Sahn
    November 11, 2013 at 1:06 am

    NZ needs a Massive change or its all over for NZ…..Just type ‘GDP per capita’ on Google and try to find NZ in the Wiki list……..no wonder all smart kiwis moved to Australia or UK or somewhere else….

  160. le critique
    December 10, 2013 at 6:59 am

    I think that immigration is a very bad thing, ask any Maori. Indeed many people from England go to N.Z. complaining their country has been overrun by immigrants, rather Ironic that isn’t it?

  161. namd and shame
    December 15, 2013 at 6:28 am

    I am so sick of being treated as a second citizen by some people. Is there a ‘name and shame racists’ site for nz shop/clertk or any kind of assistant, service people etc?
    I was totally ignored by a department store staff at the counter. She first said to me come to her to get served. While I was walking towards her, another customer was coming to the counter. We were almost at the same time towards the counter, but she was a bit behind me. This staff suddenly ignored me totally and said hi, with the most bright smile and friendly voice to the other (white) customer! But, the customer said to me in a kind voice,’You were the first’.
    So, I was served, but when the efp didn’t work well (card swapping), I was told (off) to do slowly in a rude tone. I didn’t say anything towards her other than showing very unpleasant face expression that i was not happy. It was because my daughter doesn’t want confrontation and I swallowed.
    It is hard to name and shame because of sometimes the racism is not that evident to people other than who are experiencing, but it would be great if we work together and say this is not acceptable for making a better society.

    • E2NZ
      December 15, 2013 at 11:26 am

      How unpleasant for you. Where did this happen?

      • J
        January 29, 2014 at 6:39 pm

        Farmers, Porirua. I’ve never treated this bad at the Farmers. Another occasion was a male staff at the small appliance corner totally ignored me while talking to other customer and noticed that I was waiting, but went somewhere after having served that customer. On that day, I just left without buying the item.

        • J
          January 29, 2014 at 6:52 pm

          Kirks (Wellington department store) chocolate shop staff told me twice that she couldn’t hear me and the tone was rude. When it happened second time, I confronted her by saying that she may need some hearing check. She made an excuse that the music was loud. It wasn’t. When it happens like this, It is generally their rude attitude and tone. They wouldn’t do that (and they don’t, from my observation) in the same situation towards non Asians. I’ve also observed in other corner of Kirks that how a Japanese older lady was treated badly. Anyway, I don’t buy chocolates when she is there. One time she came up to me and offered service, I thought it was a bit strange. Later I noticed that there was a man who looked like a manager was observing.

  162. Joe
    December 22, 2013 at 10:52 am

    NZ is full of racist sheepfucking pieces of shit.

    • E2NZ
      December 22, 2013 at 11:17 am

      Care to say why?

  163. Emilio Cortez
    December 27, 2013 at 12:14 am

    I’m glad i left that piece of shit bogan scum filled country. The majority of the inhabitants are shallow minded fucks who won’t last a second living outside of their shit hole country. I swear, man, any more longer in living there I’d probably murder some them scumbags out of sheer fucking hate. God fuck I hate nz

    • E2NZ
      December 27, 2013 at 1:27 am

      What’s your story Emilio?

    • December 27, 2013 at 11:12 am

      Where u from,,id say somewhere near uk

  164. jono
    December 30, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Was this remark from someone in auckland because they need to visit the smaller place in new zealand were the kiwi attitude is still aliveinstead of claiming were geting more racist

  165. osborne
    December 30, 2013 at 2:36 am

    llke Kaitaia, where they beat up on swiss tourists. Small enough for ya?

  166. John
    January 11, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Wow! Dropped in on this forum by chance and I see a whole bunch of personal experiences generalized and blown-up for good measure to paint the whole population of a country grey&black (intended!)

    Says a lot about New Zealand government policy makers’ planning and errors in judgment!

    Let me explain:

    The root cause of ‘intolerance’ (which is what hateful racist behavior patterns that caused most of these posts here are) is not addressed. You are not racist when you acknowledge the ‘differentness’ of another person and allot them the same measure of consideration and respect as you would any other human being. You don’t have to carry the burden of the hypocritical lie that we are all the same. No we are not! Some of us are healthier, some sicker, some poor, some rich, some industrious, some lazy, some cat-lovers, some dog-lovers, some compassionate, some a**holes! And then the same individual can be all of the above at different times in his/her life – depending on circumstance.

    As a society, humans are as ‘insecure’ as any dog with a bone (very few have the self-assurance of a super-evolved, enlightened world citizen) that battles constantly for the “me & mine” in increasingly concentric circles of ownership -self, family, neighborhood, tribe, kind, skin, state, country and (for any UFO buffs out there) species! So, it is natural for an immigrant to experience the insecure reactions of a ‘majority’ population that doesn’t want you in any one of its circles – particularly if you are eating up a share of that pie!

    So, if this is pretty much the state of affairs how can society function – you ask? This is a question that in older times was answered by invasions, battles and genocides. But in evolving global politics, we would see government planners and strategy builders designing policies around education and jobs that allow for a slow but steady assimilation of foreign resources. Immigrants are undeniably healthy for a society’s economic present and future – especially an aging one. Because GDP and prosperity of a nation are linked to production and optimum utilization of resources, the market shakes down job-seekers and entrepreneurs in the simple manner of the best trained, best educated, hard-working, eager and hungry ones getting the better piece of the economic pie while the rest settle for the smaller pieces until finally there’s a unlucky few left at the bottom in underemployed or unemployed category.

    When this happens in an environment that is controlled and massaged in by policies that spreads out the influx in an even manner by advertising and encouraging industries in far flung places to hire immigrant help by tax rebates etc or with constant education to the masses on how the influx is helpful to the society, there is far less friction generated by immigration until a stasis is reached. This is the least that a government that benefits from immigration should be doing!

    Also, there is a stage in immigration flow where the demographics is so varied that no one group dominates which breaks this shackle of ‘your kind’ vs ‘my kind’… and just boils down to ‘you’ vs ‘me’… which is the universal and much more manageable (low-angst) law of the land. This is the stage of immigrant balance with only slight ripples of periodic adjustments. All stages before this balance is reached will be filled with ‘discriminatory’ experiences. I’m an assimilated East Indian in Toronto. I’m lucky to now thrive in an immigrant environment where the balance of power in terms of sheer numbers does not rest with any one ethnic group. All are equally engaged in eking out a living with the equality assigned by the market, not at the whim of an insecure minority. It wasn’t a bed of roses when I was new and it might still not be for the culturally-challenged or the job-market underachievers, but as my ability to work with the society grew, the better I became at coping with the few bad eggs.

    Newbies to New Zealand, you could write to your local politicians and suggest that they lobby to spend some money in educating the masses and give benefits to companies to open up in different cities/towns and hire new-comers.
    Be gentle in your response to typical hateful discrimination; as much as possible avoid situations that get you there.
    Seek out locals that are friendly.
    Do good to your society and then have media cover that goodness in a good way (volunteer for a cause and then write to a local daily that you’re doing it)
    Be confident in your ‘differentness’ while encouraging others in their ‘differentness’.

    Above all, believe that it is just a temporary natural phase of imbalance and you just happen to that pioneer in a change towards the good. Carry that leadership quality with you!

    • E2NZ
      January 11, 2014 at 10:30 am

      John, have you ever lived in New Zealand?

      • Get Me Outta Here!!
        January 11, 2014 at 10:49 am

        E2NZ :
        John, have you ever lived in New Zealand?

        I would say he has not, given what he thinks about the problems here and the possible solutions.

        I’d write to the politicians but most of them are borderline illiterate. They’d just call me a bitch front bum or if my complaint reached the Prime Minister he might tell me my opinion was “so gay”. This ain’t Canada dude.

        Although the fact that I want to call this poster who is only trying to help a wanker for doing so may mean I’ve been here too long myself.

        • E2NZ
          January 11, 2014 at 11:04 am

          His comment was very blue sky wasn’t it.

          If only the solution was as simple as he believes. Maybe that’s the problem with New Zealand – there isn’t one?

          • John
            January 14, 2014 at 4:58 am

            Bingo, E2NZ! If you expect a quick-fix or even a solution to human insecurity (tribal mentality) at a personal level… dream on! That surely would be overly optimistic.

            But we’re talking about adjusting (over time) the social norm to one of tolerance and acceptance. I’m talking about a society-based solution starting with the individual having the courage to do something positive about a problem…. controlling the controllable and managing/coping with the rest.

            No, I haven’t been to NZ but was exploring my options of moving there… that’s when I came across this forum!

            • E2NZ
              January 14, 2014 at 11:18 am

              Its very obvious that you’ve never been to New Zealand.

              If you had you’d know that many migrants approach it with the exactly the same open mindedness you displayed in your first comment. They then spend months/years wondering what was wrong with them because they couldn’t make it work.

              The lucky view eventually realise its not them, its the country.

              How fortunate for you, you came across this site whilst doing your research.

              Please read more of our Migrant Tales and posts from New Zealanders and you’ll see there is very little to differentiate them. What does that tell you?

  167. P
    January 29, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11180656

    Racism blamed for bar ban

    In this article, Asia NZ research results about Asians are a bit more positive than the past. I am not sure whether ordinary people (Asians) felt that way. If then, how much worse before??? I thought it was going bad.

  168. Alexander
    February 3, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    As a Relief/Substitute Primary School Teacher I encounter racism on a daily basis from Maori students. I have found Maori students to be deliberately disruptive, mean, nasty and racist to European, Asian, Indian and other ethnic groups!
    There was a lovely Asian girl at a school where I taught last year, from the Philippines, a top student, an extremely diligent worker in the classroom, who became so depressed by the Maori and Island girls negative behaviour toward her that she used to just lay out on one of the benches outside her classroom and cover her face every morning tea and lunch time while I was there.
    The disgusting thing was that her European teacher refused to acknowledge there was a problem whenever I mentioned it. That poor girl lived a life of hell at school and every time I relieved/substituted at that school I could see she was becoming more and more depressed. Those Maori and Island girls never let up on her. It was disgusting! I’ve noticed that the Maori and Island girls act all tough and bully others to cover their own feelings of inferiority. I asked these particular bullies why they were like this and their answer was, “Because we are poor, Mister,” and then they laughed in that mean Maori/Island way. I can’t stand them and I hate teaching most of them. They are anti everything and refuse to learn at school but are happy to leave at sixteen, have a baby that the state will support and live on the dole for the rest of their lives. It is hardly any wonder the New Zealander’s of European origin hate the Maori, I know I can’t stand them!
    I realise that the hate these Maori students have has been encouraged by their parents who hate everyone they see as ‘in authority,’ and everything derived from the white culture except for the life the state gives them to free load for their entire life.
    In my opinion, Maori need to segregate themselves entirely from the rest of New Zealand and live in their own generated squalor. Then they might appreciate the life that the other hard working cultures within New Zealand provide for them. The world needs to realise what a racist country New Zealand really is. If I was an Asian parent from overseas I would never send my child here to be schooled, especially in an area where there is a high Maori population. They will make your child’s life hell on earth!

    • B
      March 5, 2014 at 11:42 am

      I wonder why the ‘white’ teacher is not doing anything for the Asian girl? Could it be the teacher is a secret ‘racist’ and refuse to help her? It would be interesting if the teacher helps others in similar situation. e.g. white girl bullied by others

      • Alexander
        March 20, 2014 at 6:32 pm

        B, to answer your question, ‘I wonder why the ‘white’ teacher is not doing anything for the Asian girl?’ From my observations and talking to other teachers at the school it was this particular teachers behaviour management strategy to align herself with the bullies/difficult members of her classroom to make her life in the classroom easier. Sort of like the ancient Roman axiom: keep your friends close but your enemies closer mentality. she favored these students and could see no wrong in their behaviour toward the Asian girl. In my opinion she failed in her duty. I don’t think this teacher would think she was being racist, rather, pragmatic in the way she managed her class. However, it is a teachers responsibility to ensure the welfare of every child in his/her classroom. It was doubly shocking for the fact that this woman was the Deputy Principal! Every time I think of what happened to this girl it angers me that nothing was done to support her. I know I should have done more myself. Being just a reliever/substitute teacher my voice in the schools is barely considered by the hierarchy that exists. however, that is just an excuse on my part and I know I should have done more to help her. I wish now that I did.

  169. February 4, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    I agree.Maori/Islanders are inferior and are
    bullies because they are much bigger physically and they will make others lives hell.

    • February 4, 2014 at 8:13 pm

      You’re speaking in very general terms there Dylan?

    • Lady_Zane
      March 20, 2014 at 1:50 am

      <ad hom attack>

      • Admin
        March 20, 2014 at 1:38 pm

        Banned, read our comments guidelines.

  170. Jiian
    March 6, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    Just got back from New Zealand. I live in New York and, for the record, I am African American. My grandmother had to flee her homeland and had to watch the secret police kill a lot of her friends and family so I understand respecting culture…….especially a culture people died to protect. I was there because my wife was doing the Ironman New Zealand race and my 3 year old daughter hasn’t missed a race since she was born. My family and I were waiting to park our rental car when another car pulled up, and the young Maori male (not a man, he has a lot of growing up to do) pulled up. Obviously upset over the space, he decided to call me a “fag!, fucking foreigner!, boy!, nigger!…..” and on and on….He made it very clear he wanted me to “go back to where I came from!!”…..I have heard this kind of hate before, nothing new there, and there was nothing new about the hateful little coward backing down when I challenged his hate……..you brought shame to your family name and dishonored yourself that day, little man, when you grow up, you will realize what that means……..You can be proud of who you are, where you come from, the tribal blood in your veins WITHOUT hating others. From one minority to another, educate yourself. Don’t just be a stereotype, and by the way, What do you think all those native New Zealanders were thinking when they witnessed your shame? I guess you paid for those tattoos. It is a shame you didn’t earn them. Maybe then you would have respected them and their meaning.

  171. Margret
    March 19, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    as a university student , truly , they r racist !!! and they r stupid , fooled by them own government but they think Asia is shit ! they admire British with no reason. As long as u can from UK, u r loyalty. how damn they r … I regret to came and study here, US is much better than u guies. racist country, I wish Chinese government companies stop put money here, students stop came here and study. let them keep their pool style. I spend at least 45000 dollars here, but what I been treated is shit … I don’t like NZ except the environment. People here r shit

  172. thekitsunenikki
    March 22, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Seemingly true enough. Growing up in NZ with an Asian ethnicity, in a school with a mixed culture (Whites, Asians, Maoris) I did receive some rather offensive comments from my ‘fellow school pupils’. One of my Primary teachers was partially Pasifika/Maori (did not know for sure and good riddance), and she would always lecture me harder than some other kids.
    There is a special class in my school just for the Pasifika kids, and I swear, is there really hope for them? When we had to play against the other classes for a school sports event, me and my class had to go up against one of the more ‘mainstream’ classes, usually filled with somewhat ‘intelligent’ Pasifikas. At one point, a girl threw her phone down just because of the game, and her friends all yell and complain whenever we get a point.
    Hah, that doesn’t stop there. If you were to take Maori as an option, you’d get far more credits than other subjects (around 40, I think). And then for the other subjects, you’d better get to work.

    Sure, they did come to NZ first and lived on the land which wasn’t known as ‘China’ back then, but why do they act like they actually own the whole bloody place? Obviously they abused their massive physical bodies and looked like they were about to murder everyone. In some suburbs/shops, you’d see a ton of these people there, due to their financial issues or unemployment, as they get fed off from the government. And– excuse me –they provide free food to the Maori kids whose parents did not pack lunch.

    I’ve heard that in the city, both whites and Maori’s always call out to elderly Asian men/women. They toss rubbish at them, and say offensive things. Since they couldn’t do anything about it, these helpless people have no choice but to run away. The police also gives them a gentler warning compared to the ones they give Asians.

    Observing my surroundings in NZ for current lifetime, I can say that is it a racist country. Both whites and Maoris. We had to embrace their offensive behaviour, and watch as the government gives them their free ‘helpful’ proportions to buy their drugs or KFC or whatever the **** they can afford. The only good thing about NZ would probably be the environment. Other than that, it probably sucks shit.

  173. not in NZ long ago
    March 27, 2014 at 11:31 am

    After read this post, reminds me some of the old memory.

    I was once were a international student at NZ,auckland,Takapuna high school.

    And i almost have not speak english for a 1st language more than 10 years(so fogive my poor english ,and cause may sounds naive,get my point is engough anyway,heh),since i went back to my home country China.

    read this post is poroboly because recent heard a chinese news about racist(a yong immgrent been bet up etc) in NZ,few days ago.

    this reminds me what i have went through in NZ.

    for honest,if i would comment about it, i would say, every where has good people and bad people,if you dont want 100% getting racist, the best way is stay at your home born land,instead of leave her.

    and,once i were in NZ,i hd met alot friends, with many races, chinese,
    kiwis,koreans,japanese,Thailanders Irani etc.I got say, it was good memory more than bad, i liked the country(NZ).

    and of course to the title, i had been incountered racsim(almost at 1st year when i almost could’t spoke english,especialsy back then, the evreiment were way more less internaional student or asian race around with i guess),and wathched some others fact my self.

    the racist action is no need to talk about too much since everybody could imagine or heard about they all about the same kind anyway.

    so from what i had overcome,here is the selution

    i had come up long ago,people wana earn respect ?

    some times not just from respest the others,some times also from you are stronger, this is maybe a culture thing, some people respect smarter, some respect higher morality, and some respect more powerful or better skill higher rank ,self attractive etc.the only real reason(racsm) to a single person,is bacuse your need to “leve up”your self in some aspect,instead of do nothing and complain. this is why even if you stay in your totally same race home land, there always pyramid phenomenon any way.

    Actully indeeper look at this sort of problem(new racism condtion?), it is the immigration cause the problem,wana solve this kind of social problem relise on single person or few been abused people is misson impossible,and also immigration is big part of NZ encomni, so maybe(i d say maybe) NZ goverment maybe should give more a bit on publicize to lubricate this kind of problem, make the country even better at all various aspects.

    and btw peter jackson’s lord of the rings series is pretty nice,it’s new part is coming soon at china cinema,alot of chinese people like it in here.

    some high school friend didnt contect for a long time, over globel anyway good luck to you all! :)

  174. pg
    March 28, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    This is not unique to New Zealand , many countries where there is massive unnecessary immigration suffer from the same problem.
    The additional problem is of integration and concentration and is underestimated by all governments and NGO’s .
    Immigration is desirable for many countries , but the quantity of immigrants and quality are the important factors.
    As can be seen in many European style countries there is very little real integration by immigrants and this creates tensions . Immigrants should be required to integrate into local culture , and until this is included in immigration legislation , the problem will remain

    • B
      April 8, 2014 at 10:22 am

      Every time when I see people asking Asians to be more integrated into the society, I want to ask them. “Do you really want Asians to be in your community?” “Have you tried to integrate them into your community, clubs etc…?” ” Have you welcomed them as much as you do to people from Britain and other parts of Europe?” Or “Have you just ignored them long enough till they give up integrating into the society and then you blame them not making an effort to integrate?”

      Of course, I know many Asians who are afraid of speaking English and stay in their church community to get help – psychological and practical. But, also many Asians tried to integrated this society, but my question is really, “Did you welcome them?”

      • Bruce
        July 5, 2014 at 9:31 pm

        I agree,,,in general white NZ are not hospitable towards foreigners,,,they have know idea what its like to immigrate.

  175. Jim Haughie
    April 7, 2014 at 6:22 pm

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  176. Joe Yap
    April 9, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    I am a Malaysian Chinese and will be touching down in Auckland in several months time, and this forum really caught my attention.

    Us Malaysian Chinese are being oppressed by the ruling Malay since 1957, unequal rights since birth, double standard citizenship, Television press conference with ministers asking us Chinese to go back to where we came from, Chinese population were being threatened with

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_May_incident_%28Malaysia%29

    and the list goes on.

    I am curious how i would cope with the racism issue in New Zealand, shall report back several months after i touched down.

  177. M
    April 11, 2014 at 9:55 am

    This morning Dominion newspaper reporting Lidia Ko (golfer) regarding funding, tax etc…

    If she has done anything wrong, she should pay. But, the article says previously famous golfer also got fund from tax payer and etc… So, the article doesn’t pin point that it is Lidia Ko alone, but the harm is already done.

    So, my feeling about this article stems from racism. Lidia Ko’s golf association should back her up strongly otherwise it will lead all the question regarding sports player, their tax pay, but it is shame people will remember Lidia Ko first.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/9929027/Lydia-Ko-the-pro-asks-the-taxpayer-to-chip-in

    By doing this, Lidia Ko’s image is tarnished and people associate with “Asians” do bad things whether Lidia Ko’s manager or accountant did something illegal or not, the result of this report already made Lidia Ko bad enough.

    When she was doing well, I noticed that she didn’t get much attention from media and read someone mentioning that on dominion post.

  178. Disappointed
    April 16, 2014 at 12:59 am

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  179. April 21, 2014 at 2:23 am

    Yep! You’re right in a way. It’s not so much from a people perspective, because there are a vast majority of us who will accept others cultures. It goes deeper than that, it’s more political. Lets micro-study the Maori from a political perspective. Have you seen the youth drinking culture ad campaign, the one with the ghost chips and Monica thinks he’s dumb type shit?

    Everyone in that ad is Maori:

    Can we safely assume Maori are the target audience or do we assume only Maori have drinking issues and where are the other races? Are the government discouraging race relationships within the new generation of Maori youth?

    In the ad the main character spurts out a sentence of supposedly intellectual dialect.

    Do we assume because he is the only individual who made the right decision in stopping his friend from driving intoxicated, he has advanced in intelligence? Or are we really seeing one educated Maori out of a vast majority? Why is he the only person who has the capability to string together a coherent sentence while the rest have Neanderthal personas?

    It’s simply or government placing a stereotype over the heads of Maori youth culture. They must have been ROFL’ing over this ad during happy hour at the beehive.

    • April 21, 2014 at 10:20 am

      You’re correct of course, and how many other countries would have advertising campaigns based on racial stereotyping? Can you imagine an ad in the US telling black people to give up eating fried chicken because its bad for their health – there would be an absolute uproar and legal action taken, rightly so.

      What sort of message are ads like Blazing really conveying, what’s the subtext here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8KAaf45g5U&feature=player_detailpage

  180. NZ
    April 23, 2014 at 12:05 am

    Why do you people want to come to NZ to live. Do you not want to stay in your country and fight against your governments and your eval country treatment and non concerning for your health safety and well being. Are you cowards in your country and cowards when you come to the land of real men. We make all blacks here. Have you chosen the right country to run to.

    • April 23, 2014 at 5:42 pm

      Obviously the solution is for other countries to make their own all blacks.

      Please can you give our readers a link where they can download the data file for their 3D printers. How many do you recommend they print off, enough to put on a decent Haka perhaps or will a mating pair suffice?

      Many thanks.

    • Bruce
      July 5, 2014 at 9:35 pm

      @NZ
      no idea idiot

  181. Susan
    April 25, 2014 at 11:49 pm

    We are all human beings, we all want the same thing…to be happy! Who cares! Good hearts are what matters more than anything in the world.

  182. Etienne
    April 28, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Unbelievable. Is this not the same country that protested to play rugby against South Africa in 81 because of racism

    • April 28, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      Not that unbelievable. At the time it was the only country that would play rugby against a South Africa: it welched on the Gleneagles agreement, other countries didn’t and they boycotted sport with SA.

      New Zealand reneged on the Gleneagles Agreement http://e2nz.org/2013/12/16/3news-asks-is-new-zealand-a-racist-country-yes-just-as-bad-as-south-africa/

      In 1981 New Zealand was the only country to allow the apartheid regime of South Africa to play rugby with it, in what became known as the Rebel Tour. The tour was in direct contravention of the Gleneagles Agreement, ratified by New Zealand in 1977.

      The Gleneagles Agreement arose after the public outrage at the New Zealand All Blacks tour of South Africa in 1976, causing 28 countries to protest the tour and boycott the 1976 Olympics in Montreal. (NZ won no medals at that games).

      Present Prime Minister John Key was quoted around the world as having no opinion on the 1981 rebel tour which divided his country, and conveniently ‘forgot’ his stance on it on a number of occasions . This has caused him to be dubbed “amnesic” and castigated internationally for not including any anti-tour representatives in the delegation to the recent Nelson Mandela memorial and funeral.

  183. Pulkit
    May 6, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    While a few of people here do not have a dismissive attitude towards ‘immigrants’, their deep seated disaproval is quite evident. Technically, we are all immigrants. There are certain cultural idiosyncrasies which need to be respected and unfortunately I have seen a lot of immigrants disregarding them.
    Being an Indian I came to see how unpopular and generalized we were. It is true that I have seen my people ‘ape-ing’ the culture here and I find it unfair. But to come to the conclusion that all Indians behave and think the same way is sickening.
    However, having said that, I’d like to express that there is a flip-side to this discussion on racism. No one and absolutely no one in this degrading society we are proud to be a part of has a right to question, judge and condescend upon anyone.
    Progressive societies do not behave this way. Anyone has the right to go anywhere (unless you harm people directly). Racism and dismissive behavior are indicators of the slow rate of societal growth. It is a vicious cycle. Trust me on that. I have heard of ‘cocky’ Kiwis going to Australia and and being looked down upon there.
    An alien invasion/apocalypse which breaks down the fabric of the society is just wishful thinking. If I get denied entry into a club because I am drunk/misbehaving, it is correct. If a girl ignores me on a dating site because I am not treating her right, it is correct. Not because I am an Indian.
    So to put an end to this bickering, I will go to any country I want, get the best job I can and if I can do the aforementioned without harming a person physically or making things unpleasant, you can, to put it, swallow your pride and accept it.

  184. May 7, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    Most of you are sweating the small stuff. Racism is when you dislike someone for the color of his/her skin. Bias is when you disagree with morals, ethics, beliefs, policies, rules & the like. Comments or opinions made about how someone behaves, looks, acts etc is not worth personalising or crying over. It doesn’t matter which part of the world you will find yourself you will always witness someone expressing his/her opinion. Its a free world. We are free to speak how we think. However, when you are confronted by someone who says they hate you for the color of your skin, then you have a racial problem in your hands. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Save your energy for a work out.

  185. Maud Grant
    May 12, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    I’m a 53 year old Maori female, middle class, educated and well travelled. When I leave NZ I also leave behind the daily, unspoken racism I encounter socially and professionally. It still hurts every time I am in a shop ( I can be dressed in a business suit and it still happens) and a white woman, usually middle aged comes to the counter to be served AFTER me and uses her body language to sideline me, forcing the shop assistant, who knows that I was first to have to ask, ” who was first” ? In an apologetic tone. I speak up, saying “I was” and the white customer refuses to look at me, or acknowledge me in any way, as if I am invisible. Why do I then feel uncomfortable for saying, “I was first”. She is annoyed with me, that I didn’t bow to her racist expectations of how she should be treated.
    NZ is racist, this does not happen when I travel. Thanks to the students for talking about this.

    • Jess
      May 13, 2014 at 12:35 pm

      Maud,

      If I’m you I will not support the shop & just walk to other shop which were not toward racist. We are a customer to give them sales we have the right to spend our money wisely.

      I’m also sad to hear about your comment since you are Maori in nz, for a business service industry no matter what race you are they still need to provide their best service to every customer even if the customer are not purchase at the time but you were never know he/she will coming back to your shop and look for you to purchase in their next visit.

      I remember as well when I was attend a exhibition in Singapore on behalf of the company I work under export customer service, what we need to do was stand whole day on the exhibition give out flyer and broucher plus take down all the customer details when ever I service them. I notice there one old man wearing a technician cloths very dirty but walk with one young guy the guy wear executive suit when ever he go to the shop he ask question all the exhibitor not attend to him and straight answer the young man which was with him.
      He was at my next booth I go out and pass my company broucher to him and bring him in to introduce our factory product to him plus give him a little goody. He immediate talk Vietnamese call the young guy and the young guy run over to our store and ask the young guy take my name card.
      After the exhibition over he place a container order from me and you know what he is the boss of the company. The moral is telling us do not look down on people or races you were not know who are they. It’s sad that nz was like in local market but in internationally you can’t to do otherwise you can’t even get a customer.

      I hope you will not treated again on your next shopping or even in work will be treat equally. Fighting.

  186. Vigilante
    May 16, 2014 at 11:21 am

    The truth of the matter is that New Zealand will never change, until and unless they let go of this false notion of ‘ethinical kiwiness’ & self fulfilling notion of ‘most blessed state’,which is akin to and upon the same level plane as that of some of the most notorious states like ‘Israel’, and ‘Saudi Arabia’.

    NZ, as a nation state is not too far behind them, however, this country has shrouded itself into a false facade of lucrativeness for the would be migrants owing to its ‘Anglo Saxon imperialistic past’. Ideologically the foundation of this state of New Zealand is not to far off from Zionism driven Israel or Wahhabi extremists of Saudi Arabia.This very cement of extremism and racial supremacy makes these people extremists, A migrant, especially of a darker race here is automatically considered as ‘inferior’, irrespective of his personal capacities and achievements.

    Being an Indian, i have faced this ‘generalization’ again and again.NZ Sheeple have came-up to me asking me about ‘Bollywood and Butter Chicken’, in their vile monotonous accent and pathetic English. Probably that’s all they know all about India and probably they don’t know that the people of the world have long ago start to forego of the idea of the ‘Nation State’. We live in a world, which is one, and we breathe the same air which had been breathed by others. Our identities is not limited to the color or our skin, or the country we were born into.

    The only solution to NZ’s problem is to allow as many asian migrants as possible and out-reproduce white bogans kiwis .This is happening in Auckland, and should happen in other parts too. The white supremacists have a choice to integrate or to succumb, because last time i checked one in four NZer was born abroad.

    • Calvin Kulo
      May 18, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      Very well stated.

  187. melanin
    May 17, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    reading this reminds me of america. we have racists bosses, redneck land and building owners, “mexican” invasion as the new englands in america call native people now. same situation done to the brown people and black people there and here. i feel you in the usa. alot of us do.

    • Calvin Kulo
      May 18, 2014 at 12:00 pm

      Have you ever lived outside the US for three years or more? I seriously doubt it.

      The US’s (and Americans’) primary disease is one of self-destruction, where everyone is always filled with hate towards the opposing party, religion or race. It is driven by the media and by big organisations with political agendas – often with the funding and support of foreign interests.

      Here are but a few examples of what isn’t the same in NZ as compared to the US:

      You can move almost anywhere in New Zealand and you still face the same ugly cultural mindset and social problems. In the US, you can move to a different suburb, city or state and change your life. Don’t like being a black man in Mississippi? Or a white woman in Atlanta? Or an Indian in Dallas? There are 49 other states and hundreds of real cities to choose from as alternatives.

      In New Zealand, there are no real laws, private watchdog groups, or even government entities that will protect your rights. They are mostly for show, and tend to suppress or deter complaints. At best, organisations like the Privacy Commission, Ombudsman, Health and Disability Commission, Justice system, and the like are apologists for the system – or totally impotent. In the US, there is the ACLU, EFF, and any number of private or even public organisations, which, despite hard economic times, still hold the government accountable. In New Zealand, you are either part of the system, or you are against it. If you are against it, good luck, even Kim Dotcom’s millions won’t help you unless you are very well-connected (and kiwi). If someone rapes and kills your wife in New Zealand, they may only get three years in prison, or even less; in the US, you can shoot the mofo in many states in self defense. While that can lead to real travesties like the Trayvon Martin case, at least you won’t get a prison sentence for shooting in self defence (but not actually hitting) at a machete-wielding crazy person who tries to rob your small dairy (aka convenience store), as almost happened in Auckland a few years ago.

      There are many other examples, but I suggest you read the posts on this site and elsewhere (like expatexposeed.com) from people who actually live here (or did previously) before you make uninformed comparisons.

    • Calvin Kulo
      May 18, 2014 at 12:20 pm

      @melanin:

      Actually, after re-reading your post a couple times, I doubt you are (or have ever been) in America.

      Your seem to be trying to imitate bad American English, but it sounds fake to me.

  188. May 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    To American’s credit it doesn’t have state sanctioned racism and call itself bi-cultural like New Zealand does. Tough luck if your first language isn’t British English or te reo Maori and you want to live in a meritocratic, multicultural society.

    • P Ray
      May 19, 2014 at 3:55 am

      It’s also tough luck if you happen to be Asian, without a “Christian” first name, speak English fluently as a first language (have a certification from a UK examination body to prove that … which KIWIS found unbelievable, to the extent of making me sign a waiver to the effect “you will not hold the university responsible if your grasp of the English language results in having to retake papers”), have a proper education in a skills shortage area and speak up against real thoughtless racism that seems to permeate many levels of society in NZ.
      As an example, outside the university library, was a note on the noticeboard “gooks go home” … that the librarians WHO WORKED THERE, claimed to not have seen despite it being up for some time.
      Also shameful … was the attitude of the students both domestic AND international, that didn’t seem fit to call out that casual racism.
      How do I know about that? I called it out.

      And to end on a funny note:

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/10052680/Uni-hikes-English-requirements

      Haha, looks like the domestic school leavers … need to learn how to articulate themselves in English.

  189. Anonymous
    May 27, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Umm hello… The asian invasion…. wasn’t there a white people invasion as well?

  190. Jimmy's ego.
    June 1, 2014 at 12:53 am

    ACT party ‘colourful character’ and all round not very nice guy Clint Heine despises the English from the comfort of his ivory tower in England, quite the angry one.

  191. Vicky
    June 1, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    The only solution is to move to Australia, I did it and found happiness here, I was very very unhappy in NZ, mainly due to open Racism at Work and Society….OK, I admit….there is some Racism here in Australia too, but nowhere near as much as NZ. The weather here is perfect, and the Wages are so high that Racism rarely crosses ones mind. I am loving it here, and believe it or not, these Kiwis here are indeed at their “best” behaviour in Australia, win win really……

  192. Judge
    June 1, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    New Zealand is a very racist country.
    We have two separate electoral roles(registering to vote) here. I only have the choice to register on one off those. I do not get to chose, as some New Zealand’s do, because I am not a Maori .
    We have a department of Maori Affairs, payed for by all New Zealand tax payers.
    If I went to this department to get help for myself or my family, they would refuse because I am not a Maori.
    There are lots of scholarships available in New Zealand to help students. But I cant apply for all of them because I am not a Maori.
    If I was a really good rugby player, I could play for lots of teams around New Zealand. Except for the New Zealand Maori team, because I am not a Maori.

  193. Rose
    June 4, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    We live in a racist country , few years ago it was class systems ,when class system faded , racism popped up , it can be eliminated only when people learn to respect one another .. What a pity ..

  194. Syd
    June 5, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    NZ is a racist country and the comments by Judge basically cover a few of the reasons why. I left NZ some 30 years ago for a better life in Australia,it was a wise move. I returned to NZ on a number of occasions to visit family and because I now speak with an Australian accent I copped a lot of garbage that was not necessary , some of the rubbish was portrayed as humour but it really showed me the massive chip on the shoulder a lot of my fellow New Zealand compatriots. New Zealand is not the warm friendly place I grew up in .The radical views of vocal minorities have spoiled this once beautiful peaceful place.How someone can try to claim the wind as belonging to them after also claiming the sea bed highlights the massive problem NZ faces in the future.The claims will never end , they will never be finally settled because its not in the interests of the industry that support the claims to get them settled once and for all. In the future the claims will become even more outlandish and create huge division and resentment within NZ society . The continuing money grabbing on these claims is like a cancer….it is gradually killing the once lucky country and perpetuating generation after generation of so called victims.NZ is a land of many peoples and no special privilege should be afforded to any one group on the grounds of race …..to do so is racist and creating a huge divide.

  195. Katherine
    June 6, 2014 at 11:57 am

    How can some New Zealander’s complain about foreigners making NZ their home when most of them moved to Australia, in 1989 there were 280,200 New Zealander’s living in Australia that then by 2009 there was 529,.200 ,they dont like their own country & leave to come here but dont want people from other countries to live there..Just saying..

    • Admin
      June 6, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      And it’s the ‘failed in Australia’ Kiwis that are returning home (mostly because they can’t claim benefits in Australia when they become unemployed) sucks to be a taxpayer, or first time home buyer, in NZ huh?

      • RussellW
        June 7, 2014 at 1:09 pm

        Yes, and considering the probability of a recession in Oz, there’s the possibility of many more ‘failed in Australia’ Kiwis returning home and relying on welfare.

        • June 9, 2014 at 9:03 am

          Having NZers as guest workers seems a win/win situation for both countries.

  196. lollollol
    June 8, 2014 at 7:10 am

    Oh, no, Admin, it is not Kiwis who can’t get benefits in Australia who are buggering off whence they came. It is the ones who realised that New Zealand was the “better country”.
    And Judge? “But I cant apply for all of them because I am not a Maori”? Marry into a Maori clan, or a parent does, or get a clan to adopt you as an honorary member, even if you are not blood-Maori. I know people who (ridiculously, because in so doing they shove out “real” blood Maoris) have gotten Uni grants that way.

    • June 9, 2014 at 9:00 am

      If NZ were the “better country” why did they leave in the first place?

      Are you saying they return to NZ because they don’t get special consideration for being Maori (ie. benefits) in Australia?

      • lollollol
        June 22, 2014 at 2:20 am

        was being sarcastic about better country, and sorry, that didn’t convey…one reason some of them do go back is because of special treatment arrangements, however, yes.

    • P Ray
      June 10, 2014 at 11:19 pm

      I know people who (ridiculously, because in so doing they shove out “real” blood Maoris) have gotten Uni grants that way.
      You know, the funny thing about this “getting University grants” business, is:
      it doesn’t mean anything if the recipient is too stupid to graduate, or, even worse – doesn’t even try and drops out halfway.

      At this point in time I’m aware of a journalism student in Whitiera AND an NZ First Director, Chairperson for Mana Electorate …
      that just couldn’t gain their mass communication and law qualifications respectively,
      that were given grants. They both dropped out.

      I wonder if the tribes will be seeking compensation from their members that seem to be defrauding them in this way.

  197. Anonymous
    June 10, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    Every one in the world is at least slightly racist. Some are just more honest

  198. kan
    June 21, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    i am holding hk passport I planned to visit New Zeland but to be frank the world worst Immigration they don’t know who is right and who is wrong only doing paper work if they want so long interview they have to have to check from with our immigration our records they given me visa then refuse and put cancled chop which is really annoying and bad experience .
    They repeated same question 20 times very bad officer very bad manner they totally they r racist

  199. babygirl64
    June 25, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    I’m a New Zealand Maori an yes some people are racist i admit but that doesn’t mean all of New Zealand citizens are racist its just an individual thing that some people do that makes other foreigners think that New Zealand is a racist country maybe you came across the wrong people but New Zealand is not bad yes crimes etc happens here but you see that happening everywhere not just here

  200. S
    June 27, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    I was going to make a peace with myself about racism as Mary here said. ” Don’t sweat the small stuff.”. Yes, It hurts as Maud Grant said in her comment and many others. Even Opera Winfrey faces racism. It happens everywhere. However, if these small stuff hurts so many minority people, shouldn’t we try to make a better society? NZ has got a chance to do that. I hope. How about we make a TV advertisement for these incidents commented on this site sponsored by human right commission, AsiaNZ orginasation, Maori and other organisation or government level to make a better society. There are too many silent sufferers. We shouldn’t forget about high school or even primary school kids. What happens at school? Name callings, better treatment for white kids etc.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2392778/Oprah-Winfrey-insists-WAS-victim-racism-Swiss-store-nearly-called-Jennifer-Aniston-tell-her.html

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oprah-winfrey-racism-story-is-604351

    typical denial, in one article, The managers said it was ‘misunderstanding’ , the staff was Italian and there was a language barrier. She wouldn’t have been employed in the first place if her English wasn’t good enough.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2391880/Oprahs-racist-handbag-Swiss-store-owner-brands-star-sensitive.html

    Anyway, today’s my real story follows since it is too long in one post.

  201. S
    June 27, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    I was passing a small town in the evening when it was already dark. I was pulled over by a police officer who asked first question, “Do you have NZ license?” I felt instantly this was a bit funny to be asked ‘NZ’ license, not just ‘license’. I am Asian and NZ citizen. He obviously considered me as ‘foreign’ driver.
    I asked why I was pulled over. He said, “I can stop anybody I want to”. And then he said my speed was 65k in 50k zone. He got my details and then fined me for $120 something like that and than gave me demerit point 20. This was ever that I was pulled over by a police officer in my whole life. I am over 50.
    I was following 2 very big trucks because it was dark and wet day and I didn’t know that area that well and felt safe following the trucks assuming they are going where I was going.

    When I came back home, I filled in an web inquiry for asking photos of speeding camera. The infringement bureau officer wrote to me that they couldn’t provide a photo of the vehicle or the speed at that time because that was speed laser. The [plice officer showed me the machine at that time. It was 65. I read it. But, my question is whether it was me.

    I was just going to pay, even though I had this weird feelings about the police officer, but still tried not to take it as a racial issue. IOn the letter, if I go to court hearing, the officer will come bring the speed limit and vehicle identified. I was wondering how come they could identify it was my vehicle if there was no photo. So, I rang the infringement bureau and talked with the person who wrote to me the letter.

    I asked where the police officer was. From my internet search, the laser can’t be used in a driving car. So he must have been inside of his parked car (bad weather and dark)and used the laser and after that he must have followed me.

    And shockingly, the bureau officer said the report says I took over 3 cars!

    So, I sent a letter today to get the offense document by the police officer to know what her wrote about my offense and also a request for a court hearing. I took over 3 cars? In 50k zone? In a small town? At that time in a darkness when there were not many cars at all and when I was happy to have found trucks that I could follow because I felt safer following them. They were in front of me. The police officer said they were not speeding. Does that make sense? I didn’t feel that they were reducing speed to 50k, if they did, I would have done the same. I honestly didn’t even know that we were passing a small town on the way to Taupo. It was Hunterville at night.

    And the officer didn’t tell me this was a offense that I made.

    I never want to get into this kind of court hearing. Also, I may lose because it will be hard to convince the judge. I am not going to bring the racial issue on the court hearing day at least at the beginning as the police officer will be absolute in denial and defensive and also the others as well including the judge thinking ‘another racial card’.

    What do you think? I am not sure, but I should do it only with facts what can be argued?

    I might go to Citizens advice bureau or community law centre to get some advice. I never took over 3 cars. As I said, I was happy to follow other cars as the weather was not good, dark and unknown area for me and there was no urgent reason that I took over 3 cars in a 50k zone. This seems absolute lie to me. Unless he mistook my car over someone else’.

    Anyway, that’s the reason that I decided to defend myself because it is a pure lie that I took over 3 cars at night in a strange town that I don’t know. Even on the way back from Taupo during the daylight, I didn’t take over any cars as others were faster than me anyway.

    Why wasn’t I told at that time If I did when I asked him what was the reason? I also found that from US or UK site that you have to be followed for some distance to issue a speeding ticket by laser. Haven’t found about NZ, yet, though, I guess there would be a similar rule for the police officers.

    Anyway, I think this is serious. This kind of thing, if it happens in the society like this, could we trust police? Of course, I want to trust the police and there are many good police officers, but like in retail sector, maybe public servant sectors are racist as well? The statistic shows that Asian people feel more racism in public sector, but I haven’t had that much encounters with them so far. It was more with shop experiences.

    Has anybody have similar experience? Police do not have to provide any evidence that you violate traffic offense. (no photo, no speed record) So, basically whoever they want, they can get him/her. How convenient! How dangerous! What is my right?

    From my experience with this incident, the laser that police use should be abolished. Unless it identifies the vehicle and speed.

  202. Anonymous
    June 30, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    I’m a Filipino-NZ and lived in Auckland for a good 10 years before I relocated here in the US. On my first month, i too experienced racist remarks not just from the Pakehas but from the PI’s as well and so did my family. My parents were working professionals with Masters Degrees that was recognized all over the world but not in NZ. Why not i ask? Is it becuase the quality of life that we deserve had to be adjusted to gradually assimilate us as immigrants into the country? So we as a family had to adjust our lifestyle which is not fair. Why would give someone a job that doesn’t even know how to spell nor graduated their bachelors? Is it because we are immigrants and the only way we could milk them is by hitting them up with technicalities in the system. The progress of actually being able to afford a home, getting a decent job and treatment was very slow. It kinda feels like we were just there to contribute to the taxes and thats it. The student loan system was abused. Allowing immigrant students who are in real dire need (like myself) to get the loan but not qualify to get a daily allowance to support my study. How is that going to work? Bury the student in loans, rack up the interest rate and the hell with your future. Good luck paying them back. After a good fee years, we were starting to get a decent lifestyle. We were able to afford a home and off the Govt. Housing project. Then all of a sudden, my dad was fired from work for unsafe and negligent behavior. My dad received numerous awards for applying safety planning procedures for one of the biggest oil and gas refinery in the world and a simple machine operating a production line screwed that up? BS, he was blamed for someone else’s incompetency because the other guy is a PI.

    My mom on the other hand held accounts for the Govt. of the Philippines and in NZ worked as an accounts receivables clerk, because her masters degree is only equivalent to a certificate. Really? She also lost her job because of downsizing and cant get back into the work force because she was being discriminated not just by her race but by her age as well. The culprits then were Indians because Indians help out their fellow Indians. My older brother who graduated as a nurse on one of the top 100 ranked schools in the world got himself employed as a nursing aid. He then took theNZ Nursing bar exam and passed it in flying colors. Impressive enough that he was the first Filipino that was offered to work for Auckland Hospital at that time.

    Even though racism in NZ greatly affected us, molded us to be better persons, i still considered NZ as my home. We still focused on the good traits and experiences that we had. So i convinced my wife, a doctor and scholar in the Philippines and the US in the field of Cancer Research. She works as a research scientist in the field of nuclear medicine in MEMORIAL SLOAN KEYTERING CANCER RESEARCH (Look it up) to come home with me in NZ AND HOPEFULLY CONSIDER STAYING. Guess what, 3rd day in NZ, walking around the Pakuranga mall, a woman of european decent said, “theres too many fucking asians here”. I quickly turned around and spoke my mind and she immediately realized that she was messing with the wrong person. That ruined a good first impression to the wife because of an ignorant lady speaking her moronic views on immigrants. She should be grateful that my wife was even considering moving there despite the country’s lack of experience and research funding to fight cancer. If that lady knew who she was trying to bully out, I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t say a damn thing.

    I just hope in the future, that the NZ govt. would take a good hard and firm stance against discrimination. Because you are ACTUALLY losing good honest citizens like my older brother and sister. Hope it gets better soon.

    • July 1, 2014 at 11:53 am

      Thank you for sharing your story with our readers, it will be added to our Migrant Tales series.

  203. Nikhil1911
    July 1, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Here is something interesting, if it is filled with Pakehas it is no invasion, it is normal, but if it is filled with non-white it is invasion, even though when Europeans have invaded this country and own it.

    White doubkle standards.

    • July 1, 2014 at 1:33 pm

      You’re correct, it is double standards.

  204. cid
    July 1, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Agreed, im half middle eastern & half American, i spent 17 years in Auckland New Zealand, i would say most people i met were very racist, constantly trying to confirm the “in this country we don’t do that and this” and often either being put down for being middle eastern or american, either way at the end thou i tried my hardest to get along and look at the positive side, after 17 years i gave up and came back home to LA.17 years of hard ship i tell you, from high school to adult life, high school was the worst, i mean every day some bully of either pakiha or maori or pacific islander or of the skin head gang back the would gang up and beat the crap of all immigrant kids and tell them go back home, selwyn college it was, we had immigrant kids being stabbed and shot, i got stabbed personally,as for work it doesn’t matter how overqualified you are or how much experience you have if you are a foreigner there is no such thing and growth and promotion or raise, over all, i dono what to tell you there are good and bad every where, but my experience was the worst, new zealand is such a beautiful country but my experience was that they are very close minded, even against the auzis & brits…….

  205. Bruce
    July 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Agree also,, I’m born in NZ,,raised in Melanesia,(TCK),,came back to high school in NZ, southland,, There is a hostility and indifference towards those who don,t conform,,even though you try.. just a very narrow world view,,,,,I.m moving out,,,,but I always loved Queenstown,very diverse population..

  206. danny
    July 8, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    if nz is racist, its all of our faults. european, maori, pacific islander, chinese, indian.
    im english, irish and maori raised in otara, south auckland by my english mother, I’ve experienced racism on all sides, forgot how times ive called whitey, whiteboy. palagi. then on the flipside, you’d never see me walk through neighborhoods like mount eden, remuera and stuff because i know alot of european new zealanders will look down their noses at me. but i believe in jesus christ and just because someone judges me, doesn’t make it ok for me to judge them. feel nothing but horrible for all the immigrants coming here getting discriminated against, and then again alot of immigrants will only stick to themselves and wont even try to integrate into society. its all our faults, its my fault, its your fault. no group of people is more right than the other or has more preference over the other.

  207. July 9, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    The thing that gets me is: NZ needs the fresh perspective and talent being brought in from the outside [at considerable cost to the migrants], and this valuable experience is being rejected and those who bring it are pilloried.

    • RussellW
      July 10, 2014 at 10:41 am

      carpentaro,

      Perhaps one day the level of immigration will (like Australia) reach a ‘tipping point’ that will transform NZ’s culture and economy.

      • July 11, 2014 at 8:02 pm

        I’m not so sure of that. Seems as many leave as come these days.

        • RussellW
          July 13, 2014 at 11:38 am

          I’d say that many people would agree that a least some immigrants are using NZ as a back door to Australia, on that assumption, who knows what the effective, intended long-term level of immigration to NZ actually is.

          • July 13, 2014 at 3:10 pm

            I’ve thought long and hard about the NZ>Oz move. One of the only reasons that we became citizens [while maintaining dual, otherwise we wouldn't have] was so that that SPV option was available to us. If there was no SPV arangement between NZ and Aus. we would not have bothered to do the NZ citizen thing. We were PRs, so all that NZ had to offer was available, so the carrot was OZ.
            So, even though I had not considered not staying in NZ [firstly], I’m thinking of it now and SPV IS a way out.

  208. Jake
    July 11, 2014 at 1:36 am

    OMG, this thread was started in 2010, and it’s still going strong in 2014!

    As a guy of South Korean heritage, who’s started school in NZ, and lived here since, let me give you my perspective.

    “Is NZ racist?”
    – Well, I’ve lived in NZ all my life. I think it’s fair to say that it is ‘racist’ – I felt discrimination, subtle or overt, on numerous occasions, ever since primary school. The posts here seem to agree with my POV.

    Also, relating back to those original Trademe forum posts, yes that is racism, as opposed to discrimination against immigrants – the immigrant Pom is ‘fine’, while the other non-white immigrants have stories of racism in NZ!

    Of course, NZ is part of my life, and I am a Kiwi… and I’ve friends of many nationalities, including everyday NZers. If I am not a Kiwi, then I am nothing else (unfortunately).

    But, I feel like a second class citizen in my own country… from my own counrymen =/ You see, they consider you as another international student from China. And if you speak fluent English like me… who cares, you’re Asian – ‘you don’t belong here’.

    As someone who’s subconsciously ‘pushed away’ my ethnic (South Korean) background, to fit in with the others since 3 years old, and ‘fully accept’ my cultural surroundings (that is, “I am a Kiwi, and nothing else”), I regret not having any connections to South Korea as I am older. (South Korea is a much bigger player in the world, and I want to be part of it. But, I am not Korean anymore.)

    It sucks, but that’s life in NZ. To you other non-whites, consider general NZ ‘racist’, and expect racism at the most unexpected times to leave you frozen and thinking, ‘WTF just happend??’. To you whites, like white Americans with your accents, expect NZ to brace you with open arms. NZ is indeed, a racist nation.

  209. July 11, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    “To you whites, like white Americans with your accents, expect NZ to brace you with open arms. NZ is indeed, a racist nation”.
    Embrace with open arms? Hardly, NZer’s are equal opportunity racists, they don’t like Americans very much, either.

  210. Antipodes
    July 14, 2014 at 4:54 am

    I was a massive racist growing up in New Zealand… Too young to know any better until I wasn’t. Moved to Australia and then I wised up pretty quick. There is an undercurrent of racism in this part of the world and it’s deeply entrenched within many people who are resistant to societal expectations about tolerance and acceptance. Many are smart enough not to vocalise their opinions too strongly these days, which is why I believe racism has simply become a lot more covert in nature, notwithstanding the ones whose racist rants are captured and subsequently spread on social media.

    The multicultural, cosmopolitan progressives may have to move a little further out of the “melting pot” cities in order to find intolerance in all of its common, ugly ignobility. Ethnic tribalism still rules in a lot of communities and New Zealand is no exception. It flourishes within the indigenous, the multi-generational and the migrant populations all at the same time. Cultural solidarity, safety in numbers and perceiving threats from “others” are natural survival instincts for many who find themselves caught up in an unpredictably large, diverse and mobile world. Four and a half million people spread out on a few islands or twenty three million spread out on another couple will probably concentrate that effect somewhat. Excuses? Reasons? Science? We humans are a complex bunch.

    Family, friends, acquaintances, strangers… No matter the “respect” you may feel for them, do not let them dictate your life with their hate and malice. I still feel shame for remarks I made years ago to those who I was too immature to treat with basic human dignity and attributed slurs against their character on the sole basis of their ethnicity. Racism is a learned behaviour – With dedication and the desire to be a better human, it can be unlearned. A lot of New Zealanders and Australians are either going to figure out a more harmonious way to live through the discarding of maladaptive attitudes or they will simply grow old and bitter, left well alone by the more conscientious portion of our population. I strive to be the former.

  211. Shelley
    July 23, 2014 at 3:08 am

    Intriguing to read all of these posts on this page alone. I am white Australian and went to New Zealand with my family to live, when I was 9. Way back in 1972. I lived there for about 8 or 9 years. I did my best to assimilate into the culture possibly just to be more accepted. I focused so hard on that, I think other areas needing focus in my life, suffered. I spent most of my time with my Maori friends and went to a Maori dominated high school. I was accepted by some of my friends but didn’t ultimately fit in alot of the time. Still tried. I experienced what I felt was prejudice against me being white but a new white family moved into the community we were living in and go figure, they were as popular as anything. (it could be the X factor). It still haunts me to this day but whatever doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger, right? It wasn’t all bad, but I guess you really feel it when you feel not totally accepted. I went back to Australia when 19 and I felt like a foreigner in that city where I was born. Anyway, now I’m here in Sydney and really, we don’t have enough Chinese and Korean people influxing over here!!! Come on people – why aren’t you coming to live in Australia??! Being a human on this planet can be lonely, like a little drop of water in the great big ocean: so much water everywhere, but not a single drop of water to drink. I know there’s a point in there. Hang in there people. One day we will all be accepted. I’m sure there are some maoris that can tell some sad rejected stories too.

  212. Heath
    July 26, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    Funnily enough for me, as a Chinese New Zealander my high school years were the best compared to primary school. My family immigrated to New Zealand when I was 2. My family was poor, the government subsidy was my family had. My father gave up smoking because he couldn’t afford smokes haha.

    The worst events during primary school was when my father used to deliver hot lunch for me at the school. (He was getting a doctorate at the university which is really close by.) And whenever he came, this white kid would jump up and dance around him chanting “Ching-chong china man.” Looking back at this experience, I wonder what kind of upbringing would allow an eleven year old to perform an action. Where were the teachers? haha they quickly rushed off to the staffroom for their coffee. I experienced so much alienation and hazing it wasn’t even funny. Everyday I could sense their revulsion of having to be in the same class as me.

    My mother studied hard to get a electrician’s diploma to support this family. And she’s done well to raise me. In high school it was a fresh start, I remember this group activity on the school field at the start of the year, and a group of guys called out for me to join their group. I was heavily shocked, at first I thought they were talking to someone behind or beside me. As I grew older I met some great people who mentored me and appreciated me for being me. And I quickly became aware I had missed out on associating with people and I knew I had to fix this.

    Last year I became a bouncer. At the age of 19 and weighing in at 110kgs and being 1.9m tall it wasn’t so bad compared to my childhood as a shrimp. Boooooooooooooooooooy did I get a hearty welcome from kiwis at bars. Sometimes kiwis would come up to me and talk to me in broken English. And as soon as I respond, they realize I’ve either grown up here or was born here. Their attitude changes and suddenly there’s some respect. It’s kind of annoying when you get interested stares at “an Asian bouncer”. Now let’s turn to the streets. When I work at the door sometimes, bogans will drive by screaming “gook”. This term was used by American servicemen to reference Vietnamese soldiers. And I think to myself, you don’t know me or have probably ever met me and you’ve already confirmed that you have disgust for me. Simply amazing us New Zealanders.

    As a result of growing up in New Zealand I’ve got more of a British accent than kiwi. My parents always ensured I had Chinese education. This will probably serve me well after I finish my law degree. And I think back to my bullies in primary school. What have these guys benefited from bullying me? Instead it is me who was learnt vocabulary from them, no matter how nasty it is, it’s still something. Will they go on to find a career and do business with other Chinese people? Will they dare to call them Ching-chong china man from across the table with their colleagues surrounding them? I look forward to finishing my degree and I’m currently learning the Swedish language. They at least seem to have a lot more tolerance and autonomy for different cultures.

    • O
      August 13, 2014 at 11:55 am

      I am so proud of you how you got over your primary school days bullying and discrimination. It would be interesting to know what those kids at that time are doing now and in the future. My teen daughter said “Mum, that’s why we say Asian 5″ when she saw Asian doctors at the hospital (after hours). I asked what’s Asian 5. I explained her why some Asian kids do well at school. Most of them are doing just okay.

      Here is the definition form urban dictionary.

      The subjects taken in your VCE years in Victoria – Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Physics, Chemistry, English and fast-track Biology in year 11.

      example:

      I want to do Medicine at Uni

      Oh, you better do the Asian 5


      Hope there will be more Asian doctors, lawyers etc… and more bouncers.
      At least, ‘Asian 5′ is a good prejudice.

      • Heath
        September 11, 2014 at 11:56 pm

        Just like how most people wouldn’t expect a European to learn fluent Chinese or Japanese within 2-5 years; and utilize their amazing vocational skills in China and Japan, I don’t feel its fair for New Zealanders to expect such speedy progress from immigrants. My parents still don’t speak top notch English today, but they still retain good jobs and pay taxes.

        As a side note I actually failed math in my last year in high school, which is why I won’t be a doctor or engineer any time soon. There was always that sense and longing for justice as a kid I never got. Law has really intrigued me, there was this quote from a kids movie I watched years back called Barnyard. “A strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others.” I didn’t get that help in my youth, but I sure hope I can give it to those who need it after I score my law degree.

        But hey I sure hope your daughter gets through into medicine or something at Otago or Victoria. I’ve got a couple of friends who are doing medicine and they’re all fantastic people, of course they have mentioned forms of racism from time to time, but it’s what you learn and do from the experience not how you despise it.

  213. J
    August 8, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    You guys are all a bunch of hypocrites. Nz is not too bad for racism, as every one is generally treated the same, with the exception of native Maori who a generally treated better. Sure NZers like every other humans on the planet hold different opinions on othe peoples/races. We however treat everyone the same and give every one equal opportunitys whether in education or the work force. Foreigners can’t complain if we don’t make room In our culture for theirs. The whole point for moving to nz is to intergrate into not nz society not too come and form community’s based around their culture in nz as that in itself could be seen as ‘Racist’. Racist is a very broad term, everybody holds racist views towards cultures and people different from their own to varying degrees. It’s human nature and surely has it’s roots in ancient survival instincts.

    • August 9, 2014 at 9:43 am

      How old are you? It’s not that we object to having children contribute to this site, it’s just that the rules apply to you the same as everyone else. You’re not in the school yard now. Consider yourself yellow carded. Read the comments guidelines.

    • Q
      August 13, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      I know what you mean, but I do not agree with your comment on:

      “Foreigners can’t complain if we don’t make room In our culture for theirs.”

      This website is for the people who experience racism. Here, people can talk about it and complain and vent. And hopefully, we find some solutions or do something to make a better society. Those who suffer, you do not see them. Because they suffer inside.

      You are not ready to understand what these people are talking about here. Please come back when you are ready to listen.

      If you want to know better, you can get married with non Whites and see if what happens to you, your spouse/partner and children.

  214. Elizabeth
    August 28, 2014 at 9:46 am

    I think there is racism on many levels in all countries.
    I am in a situation in New Zealand. Most of my work colleagues are from the Phillipines and sometimes I feel like I am living in CEBU because they constantly talk in their own language including the patients.

    • August 28, 2014 at 9:58 am

      Are you saying that you’re racist or they are?

  215. Jess
    August 28, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Being a white, female who has lived in New Zealand all my life. I do believe that New Zealander’s are increasingly getting more racist. As I’ve grown up, I noticed it slightly but its happening more and more. I see it happening all the time and when I try to defend them, they turn on me asking why I would defend immigrants etc.
    The white majority in New Zealand is extremely racist and when they get told that they’re being racist they get frustrated and get angrier. Just because they think that being white is the social norm doesn’t mean you can hate on people of another nationality or skin colour.
    It pisses me off. Even my family is racist and I can’t stand it.
    I am also in an interracial relationship and get shit from people all the time about it. I don’t care what colour skin people are. People need to start basing it on the person themselves rather than physical characteristics like skin colour and eye shape. Grow up New Zealanders.

    If you watch a video on youtube ‘the angry eye – blue eye brown eye experiment’ that is exactly what needs to be done in New Zealand to teach the white majority over here what its like.

  216. alyce
    August 29, 2014 at 2:58 am

    Ever since watching the lord of the rings as a child (biggest promotional plattform for NZ ever) I wanted to go to NZ and even live there. I thought that such beautiful scenery must produce people who are nice, generous and down to earth.

    Just recently I heard about racism towards Asians being a huge issue in NZ. I was born in Germany but I’m of Chinese heritage. When I found this website I was really turned off by this… Of course, politicians seem to make really awful choices. They couldn’t predict the consequences, neither being able to control what was done (calling it the “Asian invasion” makes it also sound uber-racist). But the people who have to hurt others not only verbally just because they are not white, makes it now look like that the people in general there must be awful (so I wouldn’t blame that on the politicians only since they are NZ’s people).

    I really can’t believe a “particularly white society” who believe in God and always (hypocritically, it seems) preach his words, could turn out to be less of what I consider a “modern” human being. Only – they might not be “modern”. People from the Middles-Ages seemed to have the same behavior like people from NZ – But actually you can’t really blame them since they’ve been always on that tiny island, living with food shortage, cold weather and other conditions, without new influences from the world on what it is to be a human nowadays. It’s “survival of the fittest”, of course they are hostile to outsiders.

    It is sad since I really do want to see unpolluted and untouched nature but I don’t want to set one step into such a toxic environment among such toxic people.

    • Tui
      August 29, 2014 at 11:06 am

      Alyce, I think New Zealand is still nice place even though I experience covert racism often. I want this country to do better against covert racism. It is still a good place to visit as a tourist and also as an immigrant. Even though you will feel quite isolated here if you move from Europe, simply because it is just so far from Europe.

    • August 29, 2014 at 2:39 pm

      Lord of the Flies.

  217. Tui
    August 29, 2014 at 10:48 am

    It is interesting that the teacher didn’t do the reverse role because white students seem to show understanding. I hope the teacher’s intention of doing this role play was genuine.

    Once I asked my daughter’s teacher to bring some ‘racism education’ in the classroom so the kids can be a bit more considerate to others after I learned that a half Maori girl was showing some racist remarks to my daughter who is half Asian. She was about 8 years old.

    One day, my daughter cried as soon as she saw me after school. Apparently, the teacher said God loves everybody and Asian daughter’s who were abandoned at the train station are loved by God as well. (Around that time, there was a newspaper article regarding Chines baby girl abandoned at train station). My daughter was so fearful and at the same time felt sad and relived that I didn’t abandon her because she was an Asian girl.

    I just couldn’t believe this. The teacher wanted to give the kids that God loves everybody equally, but did she have to make this kind example to get her message cross to 8 year old children?

    There were a couple of a bit suspicious actions from her discriminating my daughter or my occasional involvement for school trips which she tried not to involve me. One day she made me follow (drive) the school bus alone while there were enough seats in the bus. Eventually, another teacher who on chance found this out put me in the bus. Anyway, she seems to be so generous and nice with warm smile, but behind that smile, I noticed that kind of covert racism.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9117463/Racism-lesson-hits-nerve

  218. Vigilante
    August 29, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    Here is a story to prove my point.

    A young brown/black/yellow dude goes to school, is hardworking ambitious and focused, so he studies hard and gets a degree and a masters and then he looks for job. After some 500/600 application to entry level jobs,he finally managed to secure a position only because the last person who was hired stepped out owing to falsifying his/her CV (was a white NZer), Because of this rare chance / by luck, not merit, this dude finally gets a lowly paid job which would qualify as clerical grade of work. Anyways…..then, when he joins in, he soon becomes evident that the monkeys who run the business in NZ, are barely high school pass.

    The second story is of those monkeys, who mess around all of their student life, do not strive to learn, are basically low iq unmotivated morons, who having had spend their constructive years being wasted on alcohol/party/drugs, aren’t worth any shillings, outside of kiwi wonderland. Such morons, owing to the ‘white only’ woodwork, manage to creep into good positions and due to their monkey bullying and dirty politics, become the decision makers.

    Now, can anybody tell me how can you expect this countries’ businesses to be innovative and global?

    In NZ, 99% of companies have this problem, and you can try to prove me wrong.

    • P Ray
      August 30, 2014 at 5:03 am

      You see, many of the saddos in New Zealand have a very quaint idea:
      “We hire for attitude and train for skill”.
      The thing is,
      specialised skills … are not “trainable on the job” as the work day … has NO TIME for that.
      Over and over people are pointing out that workplaces in NZ, training hours are not billable hours, and hence – companies WILL NOT train workers.
      Besides that, if people could “learn specialised skills on the job”, why does the university exist?
      In that case, hire a butcher and upskill him to a surgeon, amirite?

      Of course, the other problem with “monkeys at the workplace” … are the people under them who support bad and incompetent leadership.
      Those people … will get blamed for decisions of management, that don’t pan out, and live up to the quote: “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem”.

  219. Vigilante
  220. Anonymous
    August 30, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    If nz doesn’t want to share their country because migrant workers are stealing their jobs, why bother granting immigrant visas? Why not just deny them all and isolate your country from these migrant workers then you would not have these kind of problems. Your country would just all be yours.

  221. griqua
    September 1, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Really sad to read comments along the lines of “if you don’t like it then leave and close the door behind you”. If that’s the case then I think we all need to raise awareness globally about the state of affairs for foreigners of a certain hue within NZ. The world’s a big, beautiful place with many places that will welcome you- life’s too short to put up with this type of little-village mentality. Take your hard earned money, heritage and spirit of adventure to a place that will appreciate you. Life is simply too short to live like a 2nd class citizen.

  222. September 3, 2014 at 11:45 pm

    I spent some time reading the comments here and couldn’t be more disgusted by the attitude. Moving country is always hard, especially when you do it alone. Feelings of not belonging, loneliness and a need for family are normal experiences of moving. It usually takes most people 2-5 years to feel at home in a new country irrespective of which country you’ve come from and which country you’ve moved to. The subtleties of culture are the hardest to adapt to and the hardest to identify. Intonation of words can be the difference between polite and rude. I’ve personally never felt that I have a right to change others cultural ways of being, outside of basic human rights. Those violations need addressing on a world stage. But screaming racism because you don’t feel at home is unfair.

    And sidenote; students not allowed to use heaters during the day – I limit my heater usage to 1 hr per/night maximum when living in NZ (I’m not a NZ’er but live there on and off) because electricity in NZ is extremely expensive. Compare it, and an NZ bill per/month is an Au bill per quarter year, or a US bill per half year.

    There really is no need to demonize all Kiwi’s. It’s not a perfect country but show me one that is, I’d love to ecperience it. It has flaws and it has some racist people. You can certainly talk about your experience of those people and the awfulness of those experiences without tarring all with a highly biased brush.

    • Admin
      September 4, 2014 at 9:15 am

      Helloanonme. One of the biggest issues we’ve observed whilst running this site the Kiwis who refuse to accept the problems that migrants have in their country.

      So many Kiwis refuse to believe racism is overt and pervasive and put it down to culture shock, obviously never having experienced it themselves because they’ve been brought up to accept it. And because they have no ‘experience’ of it they refuse to consider it exists. This close-mindedness exudes from your message and suggests that you’ve sought out this site with the sole intention of trolling it.

      You may like the taste of Kool-Aid but don’t expect others to drink from your shallow cup.

  223. Calvin Kulo
    September 4, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    @helloanonme

    Again, another kiwi not living in the promised land lecturing others about how kiwis really are. Puhlleeze, as if your location of birth decades ago makes you an all-knowing expert. I probably have lived in NZ more in the past 10 years than you have. Does that make my point of view more valid, or are you still the expert because of your birthright? Should I lecture you about the subtleties of the culture you do not live in? BTW, a weekend flight back from Oz once a month to visit rellies doesn’t make you a resident, nor revalidate your expert badge.

    No one here is demonising ALL kiwis, and you need not take the negative comments personally. However, you really hit the nail on the head by focusing on culture – which is the source of the problem in NZ: the country is not a nation of laws, but a tribal land controlled by bi-cultural rules. So, the discussion should not be about whether it is culturally acceptable to flatulate loudly at the office or at the Marae, but whether laws mean anything at all here and are enforced fairly, if ever.

    FYI, electricity rates in the US vary WIDELY by region, so you simply cannot make a comparison.

    • September 4, 2014 at 6:45 pm

      @Calvin Kulo
      What part of
      “I’m not an NZ’er”
      didn’t you understand?

      I’m not now, nor have I ever been a citizen of NZ.
      As already mentioned I live in NZ periodically. What wasn’t mentioned is I’ve been doing this for 28 years! Also not mentioned, I am currently IN Nelson. As for the, ‘visiting relies’ bs. My relatives don’t live in NZ.

      Your presumption and inabity to read is remarkable. Ad hominem attacks don’t make any point beyond intolerance of opinions that differ to your own.

      • September 4, 2014 at 10:54 pm

        @helloanonme. It must be easy to live in a country periodically for 28 years, it’s little wonder you have no empathy for people who have to do suck-it-up full time, winter spring summer and fall. Not everyone can be a fair-weather migrant.

        Maybe when you’ve emigrated for real and made a commitment to the country you’ll be able to speak with authority about what it’s like to be a migrant in NZ?

      • Calvin Kulo
        September 5, 2014 at 1:34 am

        @helloanonme

        You are a bit thin-skinned, as my post wasn’t a direct ad hominem attack on you, but a pointed critique of a common kiwi archetype. To say you are not a “NZ’er” says nothing, and could mean that you are a kiwi living abroad (not a bona fide NZ resident) who comes back to New Zealand to visit, which is quite common, and what I interpreted it to mean. Given the jumbled syntax and diction that many kiwi posters inflict on the readers in their comments, we are frequently left to translate and interpret what was meant. And with all the BS kiwi imposters who pretend to be American or other nationality on this site, the shoe seemed to fit you as well, based on your writing style and kiwi apologist mentality.

        So, if you really are not a kiwi, exactly what are your country of birth and country of residence then? Why have you joined this discussion, and why do you feel it is necessary defend the kiwi culture from complaints about racism? Why do you feel qualified and compelled to instruct others that it takes two to five years to feel at home after immigrating, as if most of us have or had not lived here (or in another foreign land) that long already? And why should we care that you claim to limit heater usage to one hour per day [while staying in Nelson somewhere], as though it were a badge of honour? Does that give you a special bond with the culture, and does it make you feel like an honorary kiwi?

        • September 5, 2014 at 12:06 pm

          Those questions are really easy to answer and again, I would point you to my very first post which mentioned your right to talk about experiences of racism. I looked at both sides by also saying 4 million people are not all the same person. I fully understand anger at racism. I also understand the difference between being angry at the actual racists as opposed to misdirecting that anger at everyone who shares one similar aspect. Furthermore, each bad experience leaves a mark. When we are treated normally, it doesn’t stand out. The hundreds of interactions like getting on a bus, going grocery shopping, walking down the street and being treated normally such as a smile in passing, ‘how are you today?’ at the checkout and so forth are the invisible experiences because of the sheer normality of them. Those are the people who aren’t racist. They don’t come up abd say, ‘hey, I’m not racist. If there’s anything I can do to make you feel normal here, please let me know. ‘ If they did, the very act would in fact ‘other’ you. Balance is having empathy on both sides. It is seeing 4 million individuals rather than ‘those a-holes’ because of a few bad apples. Of course, those bad apples exist. Again, context is essential.

          You’ve been trying to change my position from one of balance and empathy into some extremist position. I’m not taking that bait.

          Who am I?
          First and foremost a human being with a voice no more or lrss valud than anyone else’s.
          Secondly, I have dual citizenship for Malta and Australia which also gives me residency status in NZ and the EU without need for visas.
          Thirdly, length of residency is not limited. My periodic living in NZ has ranged from 1-7 years at a time.

          Now, who are you? What makes your bias that an entire country of 4 million people are a bunch of hateful racists more valid than my opinion that racism exists but is not a ‘kiwi’ problem. More of them are not racist than those who are. Why is your voice more valid than mine?

          Oh, and I don’t need to be an ‘honorary kiwi’ to bond with the land and the culture. I like diversity. I like the differences between people and cultures. I enjoy being given the opportunity to participate and learn. I don’t claim to understand every aspect of cultures that aren’t mine but I do claim a willingness to understand.

          • September 5, 2014 at 7:16 pm

            Ever moderated an expat forum Helloanonme?

            • Calvin Kulo
              September 6, 2014 at 11:05 am

              Good question.

              Another question is: would you consider helloanonme’s posts to be trolling?

              There is so much diversion and misrepresentation and misdirection in its posts that the intent appears to be trolling.

              I could certainly respond, but it would be a waste of time, a waste of space, and a distraction from what this story and its comments are all about.

              • September 6, 2014 at 6:19 pm

                Yes Calvin, helloanonme is 100% pure troll and already toast.

  224. Jamie Winter
    September 5, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    On a hole I would agree nz has racism but not every white new zealander shares these views youll find usa and australia have higher levels of racism then n.z I personally accept people on who they are not there nationality.

  225. RussellW
    September 5, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    Admin,

    “youll(sic) find (that) usa(sic) and australia(sic) have higher levels of racism then(sic) n.z(sic),
    Some Kiwis just can’t resist bashing the usual targets, can they?

  226. Racism or Discrimination
    September 11, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    I find ‘helloanonme”s opinion is also valuable. It wasn’t trolling. I wish “helloanonme’ could come back. I thought we could have a good discussion between racism and discrimination.

    Even Asians/Maori/Pacific discriminates Asians let alone whites. Is this racism or discrimination? Even they treat Whites better than the others. Is this racism or discrimination?

    How can we separate racism from discrimination? How would I know certain incident/discrimination/bad treatment was based on ‘racism’ or ‘discrimination’?

    Once a very short woman (white) told me that she would sometimes be ignored by shop assistants. My guess is that those shop assistants will more likely discriminate/ignore non whites, particularly, Asians in shops based on ‘weak, not-wealthy look = minority group’.

    If the shop assistant ignores me, she becomes ‘racist’ because I am Asian? But, one day if I turn up the shop with very wealthy look, if she treats me with politeness and friendliness, she is not a racist, is she?

    So, how do we define racism and discrimination?

  227. Naturally_Air
    September 11, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    After reading this thread that has been going strong for the past four years is making me rethink the idea of doing a working holiday in New Zealand. As a black american woman (my roots can be traced back to Germany not Africa) I am no stranger to racism both color and gender wise but I would rather not take a time where I would like to explore the culture of another country looking over my shoulder or making sure that I can beat off attackers. However my question for the posters is one I saw but no one answered. Are both islands strongly racist or is it in isolated areas?

    • Calvin Kulo
      September 13, 2014 at 2:26 am

      It is widespread, but is probably worse on the South Island, and everywhere else on the North Island outside large institutions in Wellington and Auckland. Even in national government departments or ministries, Anna’s advice is spot on: be prepared to duck and expect the people to be weird. Both my partner and I have known non-kiwi non-white people of color who are treated exactly as Anna described – and this is in work scenarios where you would expect the caliber of people to be above that. Not so in NZ: ignorance and prejudice run rampant from the bottom to the top. For example, your boss, who, might be a general manager earning 150k per year, could ask if you are accustomed to using a knife and fork while you are both out for a group lunch in front of your coworkers, and actually mean it.

      Also, be careful not to be drawn into any discussions about the negative aspects of the US or its politics by kiwis (and other nationalities) – it is an ambush, and you will lose whether you are right or wrong. Be proud of where you come from, but do not ever be drawn into any discussions about the US, or, worse, attempt to explain or defend anything: they simply won’t get it. No matter how sincere they might sound, or well-meaning you strive to be, you.will.lose.

      Good luck, but bring your “A” game and always keep your guard up. Whenever – and I do mean whenever – you (over-)hear an offensive remark, immediately ask the person, in front of everyone else, in a calm, clear, strong, and deliberate voice, to repeat what they said, and explain what they meant. Then, without getting angry, explain to them just how wrong or retarded they are in front of everyone else, from a position of higher class. If you can do this without being caught flatfooted or off-guard, or in a moment of weakness when you might respond angrily, most of the garden-variety cretins will leave you alone most of the time, for fear of being put in their place on front of their mates.

  228. Anna P
    September 12, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    I come from South Africa, was discriminated all my life for being the wrong colour and now in New Zealand i have to act as though i am stupid and don’t know anything, this is the impression they have of African, (stupid poor people who live in huts, etc.. ) because if i show them how much i trully know they will see me as arrogant or be intimidated. The cycle continues…

  229. Alastair Walker
    September 13, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    sorry haven’t read through all these posts, just wondered if anybody knew if the spear tackler who almost killed O’Driscoll a few years ago during British and Irish Lions tour, was still playing for the dark side (all blacks)

  230. pororanaka
    September 15, 2014 at 11:10 am

    I’m 17 years old, i’m Maori. I can’t say that i’m not racist, but i am open to many cultures of all countries. But here in Aotearoa i will always say i am my sub tribes before i am a kiwi, i dont see myself as a Kiwi, because i just dont. that’s all, hei kona ;)

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