“New Zealand Is Turning Into A Really Racist Country” – updated 26 Aug 2015: Skin Heads and Hate Crimes.

26 August 2015

Since this article was written in March 2010 the racism topic arose again on the Trademe message board in a thread titled It’s confirmed, Christchurch is racist. Here’s some of the comments for your information…

And the inevitable ‘its ok, other places are just as bad so that makes it acceptable in NZ’ retort, followed by a more rational comeback…

  • The so called Experts are Wrong………Maybe a few people are intolerant, that doesn’t make the Whole City the same…….There are Intolerant people in every city in the world
  • No, they’re not. Everywhere “is racist” to some degree, yes. But absolutely, Christchurch is more racist than average, and probably one of the most racist places in NZ. I this as a local, who tends to think of herself as not racist. But yes, absolutely we are, here.

 

Here’s some more of the comments, including a copy of a news report stating that the city has more white power groups than anywhere else in NZ, including a harder core of skinheads involved in violent hate-crime attacks

wrote:
Massey University sociologist Paul Spoonley, say Christchurch has long had a harder core of groups advocating more extreme racism.

Spoonley says during the late 1970s-80s, after the dawn raids era and 1981 Springbok tour, “There were some centres around the country where groups developed who wanted to preserve old white New Zealand – and the greatest number of those were in Christchurch“.

Christchurch now has more white power groups and more supporters than anywhere else in the country which, he says, range “from the polite racists to the harder core of skinheads, who were involved in violent attacks that can only be described as hate crimes“.

  • I have found many Maori in Christchurch racist towards Asians.
  • I’ve lived in Auckland, far too many parts of the Golden Bay, the West Coast, and the UK. Along with Christchurch. I’ve found racism in all of these areas. Ironically enough, some of the most racist people seem to be the ones who like to cast the accusation of racism at others, as if to deflect attention or seek to minimise their own comparable culpability. I’ve also found people in all these areas who are not racist, and who should not be tarred with the racist brush on the basis of where they live. Some people however, either can only cope with thinking in generalisations and stereotypes, or find it far more entertaining to do so, methinks.
  • I have lived in Christchurch all my life I don’t think it is that bad
  • yeah just if you are Asian, some school kids come to you and spit on you or some asshole throw eggs at you.this is Christchurch where Christ left us long time ago. Actually, it was not me who got spat on, it was one of my friends. i did get egged though. you see those idiots who drive at night and throw eggs at Asians here.unfortunately, bad people are much more noticeable than good people.
  • out of curiosity sometimes i check a persons brofile when a constant attack against Maori or other ethnic groups are bought up on here over time and yup sure enough,most of the posters seem to be from christchurch.
  • Do they still have active skinheads in Chch or have they all moved to Nelson and Timaru ?
  • Those who live in ChCh are very racist to those who live in Auckland, generally speaking. Im sure they feel inferior in some ways to be like this?One of the most racist places in NZ is the far North, various high profile families a among the most racist haters in the country.Years ago I had a job with an Australian based company that required me to travel around NZ and do meet and greets. After just a month I started playing up an accent and telling people I was a visiting Australian because of the level of abuse I received once people found out I was an Aucklander. As soon as I “became Australian” – no problems and people accepted me as is, so it was clearly where I was from, not me. The worst areas were Whakatane, Lower Hutt and Tokoroa. In Tokoroa it was so bad my colleague and I ended up staying together in the same room at the back of the unit and moved furniture in front of the windows and doors. I never visited Christchuch back then, but since then I’ve done a lot of work with various CHCH offices, and while no one has been overtly physically aggressive like I’ve experienced elsewhere, they have been very snarky and offensive. Sad but true.

If you’re a Trademe member you can read the rest of the discussion here…http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=1573779&p=1&topic=5

23 March 2010

For anyone wanting to get a feel for good old grass root opinions and issues in New Zealand you can’t go far wrong by logging on to the community message boards at the NZ auction site Trademe.

This is a thread that was started on 22 March 2010 and has generated a heated debate on the site about racism and how difficult it is for people to be accepted into NZ culture if they look different, it’s not even a ‘cultural thing’ just an open hostility toward anyone who doesn’t look like they ‘fit in’.

Since we first published this post in March 2010 this page has gone on to be one of the most popular pages on E2NZ with almost 25,000 visitors from all over the world  and it has attracted 208 comments from our readers. It has itself become the subject of debate on other fora, not least Trademe : Is this how immigrants really see New Zealanders!

Here’s the original opening post on Trademe and a taste of the responses it generated. At the bottom of the page are scores of comments left by our readers. We recommend that this page is read in conjunction with our Migrants Tales series to get an accurate picture of the many problems outsiders face in New Zealand.

There is much discussion in our flat. We have one Chinese (19 years in NZ), one Filipino (8 years in NZ), one English (3 months in NZ) and two PI (12-16 years in NZ). The Chinese, Filipino and PI’s receive racist remarks on a regular basis yet funnily enough our English flatmate who have been in NZ the least amount of time is welcomed with opened arms. The Chinese is NZ citizen. Filipino & PI’s are permanent residences. English on working visa.

The majority of the racists looking down their noses at us are usually white. Umm didn’t you come here after the Maori? Tossers.

Our landlord & neighbour will gladly rent to us but complain immigrants spoiling NZ, stealing jobs here & stealing contracts overseas. It’s OK to take our money but it’s not for us to get jobs here. Hyprocrite. As soon as our lease ends we’ll be going.

NZ is seen as a racist country in some parts of the world. Even Bic Runga said so.

.The British countries are the most racist towards the Chinese and there is a lot of racism towards Maori. Being half Chinese and half Maori can’t be easy for her.

. It’s no wonder there’s a decline in rentals in Auckland. So many empty apartments. Now all those redneck aparment owners and real estate.      agents wish there were Asian to fill the rentals. Sorry but the Asian students won’t be coming back to line your pockets.

There’ll probably be less tourism as well. Japanese friend have mentioned articles that frequently pop up on the web or newspapers about racism during tours in NZ. Again, it’s OK to take their cash and let them on the buses and let them stay in your hotels, eat in your restaurants but you want them out of sight. Hypocrites.

  • “NZ has always been racist. It’s more noticeable now because of the increase in our immigrant populations (which I think is great, by the way)”
  • “yes i agree but nz is still better than were the complaining immagrants came from so if they don’t like it here fark off back to were they came from. and nz is not known as being a really racist country thats buls***.”

Original Poster: “We live in Auckland CBD and most of us are students.”

  • “Oh well nothing more to do then bugger off then if you aren’t happy. Close the door behind you , thanks”
  • “yea, and i agree this country is racist. I wonder why? when the goverment starts favouring one race, then it leads to unrest and that is what is happening.”
  • ” for many of us the “Asian Invasion” (as it was called) happened too fast…..too many and too fast. It changed the face of city’s and suburbs that at times it didn’t feel like home any more. It was if we were the ones in a foreign country. It takes time to assimilate into a new culture.If immigration was processed slowly, many NZers would have been a lot more accepting. It has also been very hard to deal with rude arrogant and ignorant people, and sometimes I am not surprised NZers have become sick and tired of some immigrants.”
  • if you came to NZ for a better life because your country is crap & it’s not working out for you then go somewhere else, i’m sure it wont bother any other NZ citizens. And I would bet that you were seeking cheap rent so will be living in an area with a significant number of ‘undesireables’ around you… that’s what happens. The answer is very simple… move to a better neighbourhood or go to another country… or go back home where everyone is so nice to you. lol.

To avoid confusion this is the Chinese flatmate here. Let me tell you about my experiences. I was one of those who immersed themselves into NZ culture. I came to NZ at a young age and totally embraced NZ. Was even in the kapa haka at school.There weren’t any Chinese schools or language lessons back then so I don’t know how to read or write Chinese. I can speak in a southern dialect but I don’t speak Mandarin.

You can’t imagine how much crap I get from NZ’ers about me not being able to read/write Chinese. They look at me like I’m stupid and sometimes they will say so.

You immerse you get crap. You don’t and try to sustain some of your own culture, you still get crap.

It’s a lose lose situation.”

  • if you came to NZ for a better life because your country is crap & it’s not working out for you then go somewhere else, i’m sure it wont bother any other NZ citizens. And I would bet that you were seeking cheap rent so will be living in an area with a significant number of ‘undesireables’ around you… that’s what happens. The answer is very simple… move to a better neighbourhood or go to another country… or go back home where everyone is so nice to you. lol.

Original poster: No cheap rent. We live in Auckland CBD. Telling us to leave NZ when we’ve been here for most of our lives. You’re just as bad as those who tell us to either die or leave NZ on the street….”

We’ll leave you to read the rest. link

Update: read about the treatment of a South African journalist, Vata Ngobeni, in Taupo covering the world cup here

See also: An article in Philippine Nurse:

“Amid speculations that New Zealand is cutting down on foreign workers, the island country is still marketing itself to be a “choice” destination country for overseas Filipino workers (OFW).

Currently, OFWs in New Zealand are faced with the alleged tightening of registration for foreign nurses, taking into account the country’s assumption that Filipino nurses are not “at par” with their standards.

New Zealand Nursing Council chief executive Carolyn Reed has even previously expressed concern that the rapid increase in nursing programs in the Philippines has compromised the quality of nursing, prompting them make the registration for overseas-trained nurses stricter…”

See also: Skinhead groups on the rise again

690 thoughts on ““New Zealand Is Turning Into A Really Racist Country” – updated 26 Aug 2015: Skin Heads and Hate Crimes.

  1. Be wary of the flavours of racism you come across here, on the surface it might just be washed off with a laugh but deep within the comments often passed on have an intended racist remark.

    We didn’t notice it all through the first couple of years after arriving here but later on started to see it all upfront & personal. My partner especially noticed the inferiority complex among some of the local kiwis in shopping malls or anytime we step out. What we have seen is, lot of Kiwis are jealous if you have half a thing more than them or if you tend to buy something from abroad. Few months back my partner was having conversation with a neighbor and when asked she mentioned that she purchased one of her purse/accessories from Dubai while transiting. The neighbor has stopped even making eye contact since then, the whole experience is so pathetic considering we all use shared lift at least once a week.

    Its probably the savage mentality and struggle for existence 24/7 for the kiwis, com’on societies have civilized way ahead of the cave mentality and people must be happy for each rater than having a biased behaviour towards someone who knows or has little more than you.

    • I think you may have hit the nail on the head there, its jealousy.. They are jealous of the Chinese and their hard working ethic, tough living, disciplined life worth. And of course Australians because their demographic is Asian. However their is one incident of prejudice toward NZ and that is the banning of wide tooth shears for shearing because they are cruel… But then I suppose its because their sheep have an Asian origin.

  2. Yeah damn straight Im an asian living here and because I’ve got white ancestery I can pass for a white man but I must say that newzealanders can be some of the worst racist people specially maori they can be ruthless and are extremely dodgy. They talk about people being racist towards them but they’re the ones who make all the trouble and are the most racist of all peoples. There’s all this talk about Australia being racist but from all the complaints I’ve heard from friends of different nationalities that have come here that this place is way more racist and i definitely believe them

    • Yes sub zero you’re right I couldn’t agree more after you’ve dealt with the racism, nonsense and hypocricy of the maori australians wont do jack to you as far as racism goes

    • I recently realized whilst on holidays that some of my Kiwi friends not Maori are extremely racist. They live in Australia and hate Australians and hate Americans and hate Chinese and hate Russians and now hate the Ukrainians, etc etc…The conversation got very real when I was enlightened by the fact the Australians are push overs and weak… I was brought to tears… I can’t believe why they live here, I then had no choice but to turn the conversation around. I firstly opened by saying so that’s why your here… Firstly to defraud Centrelink, live in the most livable city in the world, be accepted into a multicultural community by Australians who show no prejudice except to hang it on you occasionally which you find hard to tolerate… So Please do us all a favour and P…. O…..Q.. Oh and we’re are good for free Nose jobs apparently…

  3. I have recently moved from Auckland to Wellington. I am a Japanese woman in my 30s. I find that Wellington has more rural white women who are over weight and they get intimidated Asian women and hostile

  4. Admin..
    Yes your right.. Nz is. A racist country..
    So tell me what country isint. You knw if its hardto settle down here your in the wrong place.. Why dont you try to moveto a different locations.. thay are not all the same.. I have been dealing with racism since primary.. It dosent bother me anymore.. You sound like you are getting offended by what others haveto say.. White people are racist because they thincc tha world revolves around them.. Dont listen to them.. Im ashamed tht you think of my country as racist.. Im maori and idont make fun of other peoples cultures.. Their are alot of reasons NZers are the way thay are.. Mainly to do with tha government. Favouring ones culture.. Jobs. Housings. Ect.. I hope next time yous stay you meet nicer people:) and have a better stay next time..

  5. Chinese Imigrants are destroyin my homeland.

    They do not try to mix but prefer to stay isolated in there own groups . They are rude and obviously do not consider us kiwis as equals. Due to our recent laws mainly wealthy chinese have been able to enter our country. Thus has affected our property market severely. Kiwi family’s are being pushed out of 1st homes by Chinese buying half the street. No joke half the street at once.
    The average kiwi family cannot compete with these people and they have to be governed . Or they will swallow up nz in a matter of years. We have to stop selling our country because once they have it they are not going to sell it back to us. This same thing has happened all over the globe to different nations. Think of your kids and grand kids before you sell any thing to the Chinese community especially your land.

    • How exactly are Chinese people destroying your homeland and what of the 1,000,000 Kiwis living overseas?

      Maybe if more Kiwis stayed New Zealand wouldn’t need immigrants to replace them?

      • Good comment …
        Come to Melbourne we’ll have you… i’m gong to retire soon. I’ll even hand over my business to you to develop. I keep some royalties….

    • We have to stop selling our country because once they have it they are not going to sell it back to us. This same thing has happened all over the globe to different nations.
      You seem to have some knowledge of this sinister plot. Could you let us know what other nations this has happened to?
      Do you know of any commonplace culture in the world, where having lots of money is NOT celebrated?
      And how many rich people do you know, that have not used political connections, influence or control of information along with office politics to get ahead? Can you name them?

    • The investor thing could use some control, but please do not put all Chinese in the same basket.

      “They are rude and obviously do not consider us kiwis as equals.”

      I find kiwis fit this description perfectly. And just so you know, I’m a New Zealander and see this constantly.

      “Kiwi family’s are being pushed out of 1st homes by Chinese buying half the street. No joke half the street at once.”

      Don’t worry, the street will be much better now.

      “The average kiwi family cannot compete with these people and they have to be governed .”

      I will say again, yes the investing issue could do with some changes, but who on earth are these ‘average kiwi families’? I’m tired of seeing this thrown around. Kiwis clearly show they don’t give a damn about what happens to each other. What if every investor was kiwi? Would you still complain about these ‘average’ kiwis losing out? Remember who is selling their houses for huge profit. KIWIS, and loving every second of it.

      “Think of your kids and grand kids before you sell any thing to the Chinese community especially your land.”

      I’m more concerned about kiwi drinking and violence culture that isn’t seen as an issue here. That’s what needs to stop. Maybe the country will improve the more foreigners we get in here.

    • Well said…and its all going to end in tears. Kiwis pay tax and if they employ people they have to pay decent wages. Chinese cheat the system and make great wealth through exploitation of labour and corrupt dealings with Chinese government officials. Most well of Chinese are trying to get their money out of China and hence buying up property in New Zealand and Australia and elsewhere.

    • I don’t understand some POC who go out of their way to defend situations that promote a caste system.
      But there is one interesting question I would ask …
      Balinder, do you have a nickname that Kiwis call you by, in case they’re too lazy to refer to you by your given name?
      I believe being referred to by your given name, is a decent measure of “how human you are seen to be”.

    • Maori do not get better treatment, Neither of us do. We get the pity support because people think we’re not capable of doing any better. We don’t, because that would be racist. But no-one will listen, will they?

      • I sort of get what you’re saying, but Chuck Palahniuk has a take on it that may make you … think twice.
        “Since that day in the nurse’s office (after choosing to opt-out of a miserable life as a world-famous architect or heart surgeon, by self-administering shocks from cardiac defibrillators to their temples, effectively lobotomizing themselves), Griffin Wilson has never seemed happier. He’s always giggling too loud and wiping spit off his chin with his sleeve. The Special Ed teachers clap their hands and heap him with praise just for using the toilet. Talk about a double standard. The rest of us are fighting tooth and nail for whatever garbage career we can get, while Griffin Wilson is going to be thrilled with penny candy and reruns of Fraggle Rock for the rest of his life.” – from “Zombies” in Make Something Up: Stories You Can’t Unread by Chuck Palahniuk

        “The soft tyranny of low expectations” … allows people to get away with a lot of bad behaviour … which … much later … WILL be directed upon their own communities. Everything has consequences.

  6. To be honest, I haven’t met very many Kiwis in my life being from the States. However, I always find it funny how they sometimes perceive White South Africans. The stories above made me think of this as well.

    I recently came back from the Western Cape after college (stayed with my Afrikaner girlfriend’s family for a few months) and thought it was the English Speaking Whites there who acted a lot like New Zealanders (judging mostly from the posts). They were extremely clicky, rude, and racist. Everyone else seemed to be cool with me (mostly met Afrikaners, Couloureds, Xhosa, and hung out a lot with a Shona friend from Zimbabwe), but I was always treated worse by the English Whites. One time a couple of them made some stuff up to some bigger dude at a bar and I had to explain myself to not get a beat-down. I guess they thought it would be funny to see an American get punched I guess considering I was just trying to be nice and make some friends. Another time my girlfriend tried to call the management at her flat because some English dudes tried to spit on the Couloured cleaning lady for going through the garbage bin (I would talk to her all the time and she would do that to collect food for some of the dogs in her neighborhood). A lot of people give Afrikaners a bad rep, but I find most of them more respectable and nice. I’m sure it can also depend on where you are in the country and I’m a little biased too given my story. However, it was just weird how everyone who was at least multilingual (I speak Afrikaans and would like to learn more Xhosa in the future) was usually more tolerant while mostly monolingual people were, of course, the English Whites. Even though it’s the lingua franca I just thought that was a little condescending of them. It could also be that having a distinct language away from the lingua franca makes someone more proud of their culture and gives it a stronger sense of values. Who knows?

    Does anyone think this is some kind of trend because I feel a lot of Kiwis are only monolingual? I grew up in the Mid-West in the United States and most people could only speak English in my town.I think it’s a shame considering language can make people more tolerant, or at least make them get a better perception on the world. Then again, being a pretty insular country down there doesn’t help much either. Really interesting site btw, I enjoyed reading through this thread.

    • I tend to think that people lacking the curiosity to learn other languages tend to rather narrow minded. I have seldom encountered a bilingual or multilingual person that is a dolt. A large number of English speakers, especially Kiwis, are very narrow minded and arrogant. Most do not realise how their own cultural practices (boasting of having a large but crappy house with carpet or driving an expensive car whilst having negative net worth) come across as low class to people from saner cultures.

      • i tend to agree im not racist but i see your point without asians in new zealand the country would sink and im new zealand born to kiwi parents its disgusting keep trying.

  7. It would be even better that the first people of australia have equalty to everything to do with the quality medical care and treatment better and quality housing be treated with the utmost respect to hear and see acknowledgement of australian govenment abuse to oboriginals people and their families that only most white australians have the prevlidges to the oboriginal people get less or no prevledges in thier own country where is to be proud of for all australians when oboriginal people are treated like they are not of their own land?

  8. You decend from a people who ate humans flesh mate no denying that and ill give it to you my ancestors too were canabals during their battles of victory to calim the power and skills of the highest rank worrior thats how it were in their days but for you and me mate we can only try to make living on earth better than what its become we just need a billion more people to follow the good examples we set and the rest of the world will diffinately follow suite.

  9. Wouldn’t it be great if we all jumped into the creek and came out muddy brown, no matter what country you originate from. I love culture. NZ is young and changing , unfortunately for the worst. multi cultura has been replaced with bicultura as the new buzz word on Maori TV now. One thing about Australia – so much pride in being Australian , regardless if not originally born in the country. This is something not seen in NZ.. Sad

    • Johnno,

      “…multi cultura has been replaced with bicultura”

      I’m Australian, so this is an outsider’s opinion. I’m interested as to how New Zealanders are going to reconcile their bicultural institutions with the increasingly multicultural nature of the country, it’s probably not going to be easy.

  10. I am a new zealand maori. I dont know why people are the way they are but i love that the new day and age is now multi cultural. Why only know one language when you can learn many i have friends of all races backgrounds and religion’s. I think at the end of the day it comes down to how you were raised. Its sad that a lot of children grow up with spiteful role models and just uneducated parents. Its something that is taught or picked up from others. Its a terrible habit that’s just carried on generation after generation. How appalling is it that people cant even come and visit our country to enjoy our beautiful landscapes without being discriminated and harassed and publicly humiliated. Not everyone is nasty like that but unfortunately not many are kind either. New Zealanders come in all shapes and sizes and yes races to. Maybe one day the world will wake up. Peace out

    • carpentaro,

      “By DNA studies, Maori descend from Asian bloodlines. I do not know why so many Maori are against Asians.”

      I’m not sure what point you’re making, by using ‘ bloodlines’ we’re all Africans, and that simple fact has never prevented racial prejudice, also the concept of ‘race’ is more or less obsolete scientifically. The legal definition of ‘racism’ that is usually applied the days is prejudice towards different ethnic or cultural groups, DNA is irrelevant. There is still, sometime, lethal prejudice within groups, that in the past, were considered members of a separate ‘race’.

    • Nesian bloodlines yes i think i remember reading something like this somewhere. Polynesia and asian. But they will claim that this is untrue i also read that maori language was created by mixinglanguages and these two languages are two of many as well i am maori btw. But they do have very similar words Chinese and maori have the same words for things like objects and same with the Polynesian language.

  11. Anyway explain who is racist and discriminate towards asians chineese indians and so for? Who are the racist? From which nationality do asians get racial discrimination from? Huh? New Zealand is a country of many nationalities so be more specific than speaking in general not all of us are racist but the truth is their is racism

  12. Oh see people this is the answer to all the stories about racism in New Zealand i just read skin head groups on the rise again. Hahaha as you can see in plain writting where racism in New Zealand began of cause the white westerner british and english is how our Beautiful land Ao tea roa became colonialised by racism greed and coruption

  13. White NZ feeling like there the minority!! Wat a load of crap!! Remember u whites were the ones who invaded & suppressed the Maori ppl.
    I have plenty of Maori & friends & family & they have not one drop of racism in them, it’s Tru there are racist Maoris out there!! The most out spoken ones probably only have 10% Maori blood & typically has a white way attitude towards other cultures & People’s

  14. Racism arrived into my beautiful Indegenous Native Maori land Ao tea roa the exact time the british white colony arrived on their ships and step foot on to our land bringing with them their corruptive wicked greedy minds and cold hearts which activated racism towards my Indegenous Native Maori Ancestors and racism where ever the white british colony wanted to make a house they would bribe trick steal muder and use their crown and government to take away our land so we see now you have a clear understanding how racism come to be amongst my indegenous native maori people. Racism is amongst people of all cultures and nations and it only gets worse when added fuel to it like the comments and remarks that i have read in some of the stories in here man its so sad but you can see that for most people anger too gives fuel to keep racism alive and to keep it going from that one to the next one the fuel is the next person been tagged with a reply or comment on racism and then just like that more join and keep that name and that behaviour about racism alive and keep it going around thats why racism will be around for ever but not just here in Ao tea roa its a Global issue world wide so Ao tea roa has its share of racial issues but my people didnt born and breed it and my people dont try to hide anything about racism if we made a racist comment or remark to another culture or person because youre being disrespectful to us
    in some way or another your being reminded that your are on our land in our country and we are the first people of the land and its true and its fact. My people are angry what would you expect history has the facts of the truths and that is why we will speak up about racism and use racism at times as a tool or a weapon to fight racist attacks. Well i know some will be critical about what ive written here so ill be ready for it ok then thank you the admin of this page.

    • What do you expect when a people becoming subjects of the crown , as acknowledged today as the crown is always at fault and should pay. There is so much positive to appreciate by becoming global citizens, massive increases in life expectancy and a change of diet is just a start of a long list. We are all from different cultures all having respect for one another .. right . Can’t look back – but forward. 3rd Gen Kiwi “where ever the white british colony wanted to make a house they would bribe trick steal muder” Thats Funny and a bit rich – whenever a Maori tribe ran out of food they would raid and eat the neighbouring tribe. Nothing has changes except the menu. Globalism one cannot run from.

  15. In reference to
    http://e2nz.org/2015/04/07/nz-police-cant-protect-the-sikh-student-who-received-death-threats/

    he has also been (WRONGLY) accused of molesting someone
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67624792/indian-student-wrongly-accused-of-sexual-abuse

    A radical idea:
    These people who it has been proven, to have wrongly accused someone, that almost certainly affects their reputation permanently …
    need to have their reputation affected permanently too.

    I’ve heard Gandhi’s saying “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”,
    but it is also wise to remember the corollary “No, it doesn’t. There’ll be one guy left with one eye. How’s the last blind guy gonna take out the eye of the last guy left?”

    sites such as register-her.com, cotwa.info, crimesagainstfathers are very helpful.

    These people who wrongfully accuse others and in doing so pervert the course of justice, better pray they don’t meet someone determined to get at the truth, as Eleanor de Freitas discovered to her detriment.

  16. Being originally from England, i have encountered some racism here! Especially, when i was living in a small town!

  17. In 1981, despite an almost global protest against South Africa’s apratheid, New Zealand invited and South African ruby team to tour. Only 150,000 people protested, with a population at the time of about 3 million.

    At the time the immigration of relatively poor and poorly educated pacific islanders made an easy target to make fun at if you were white and had any educational background. I have people I’m still friendly with who openly refer to them as ‘freshies’ fresh off the boat. As far as I can see that target seems to have been widened to any and all immigrants.

    My father is a self proclaimed racist and has moved to one of the all white communities / towns that are in the South Island. As far as I’m concerned good on him, and at least he is more than happy to be nice to anybody who’s paying him.

    Having been brought up that NZ was well known for its education, culture, anti-nuclear stance and friendliness, I was shocked by the only thing people seemed to know / care about was “Oh NZ is such a beautiful country, you sports fanatic aren’t you?”. Having lived away from NZ for the past 18 years I can barely stand the place when I visit family. The government is a joke, the biggest city smelled like a stale deep fat fryer last time I visited, transport is a joke, when I watched the safety brief on a internal NZ flight I cringed by the corniness of the thing. The only people won’t don’t seem to know this are the kiwi’s themselves who are so stuck up on their own self importance.

  18. I always experience racism with the new zealanders… Especially with kiwis. They are envious people who doesn’t have the balls to say how they hate asians like me. I tried to be friends with them in some point but they look at me differently. I walk home everyday after work and it’s always the same thing, harrasing and showing bad behaviours. I had experience numerous times in which kiwis looks at me with a dirty finger. Regardless of age. They always say that we foreigners who invsde thwm should go back home but they didn’t realize the fact that they are first race who invaded this land. Before they say it to us, they should tell it to themselves. But when foreigners come to our country, we treat them with respect and hospitality. Appling people. Unfortunately, the bad perception of foreigners affects those good kiwis because of those prick ones. FuckING cocktail pricks.

    • Stand up for yourself and dont put up with that crap. Im a maori but i would never tolerate that. some people a just bloody wanks. Sorry to hear about that just dont think that goes for all of us aye. We are not all bad. But these ones make it hard to see the ones that are good.

  19. Racism is active and well all over the world. In this respect NZ is on par with the world and up-to-date. In so many other ways NZ is 15 years behind the rest of the world, just not with regard to racism. The Chinese here keep to themselves and that makes sense to me in light of how they can be mistreated. We’ve been here 2 years and to this day we are treated better by immigrants. Immigrants are excited to meet us, Kiwis not so much.

    However, our kiwi neighbors invited us over for a drink on Christmas Day, that’s classy and cool. We didn’t stay long, as they had a large extended family and we felt we were kind of a third wheel. Still very classy that they invited us over.

    Kiwis are quirky, but mostly just people with their own foibles. It seems almost all of them have a friend or relative living in Canada. Mostly I think kiwis fear the unknown, as everyone does. I think this has lead them to be very protective of their thinking. I believe kiwis actively do not want to change their thinking. A change of thinking is what it’s going to take to reduce racism. So it’s going to be around forever, unless the government makes an effort to change racist thinking in the way they have done so with drink driving.

    It sounds like there are two different types of racism, that from non-Maoris and that from Maoris. It also sounds like racism is handed down from generation to generation within the Maori population. I think racism is being diluted in Canada from generation to generation. It’s very easy to blame your horrible life on someone else.

    Many underachieving people of any color or ethnicity can’t take responsibility for their situation. That’s when racism rears its head. If you’re unhappy, it must be someone else’s fault or cause. And that’s when the unhappy person lashes out at someone else. In addition, tall poppy syndrome can kick in really easily. So a “rich” Asian kid with good grades would constantly be under attack by those who could never attain that level of achievement. An underachiever may not be able to achieve that level of success, but they can throw insults and barbs at others in a very refined fashion. They can excel at bullying.

    There are so many different ethnic groups in NZ that its easy to find friends, as long as you’re not counting on having kiwi friends. And even then, there are many kiwis who are open to friendship. The only difficulty I find is the grand shutdown of business that happens between December 1 and January 31 and beyond. So many people in our industry are still not back at their jobs and it’s mid-February. You see, kiwis don’t care about working hard, they just want to have fun.

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  20. A country where the indigenous people were killed in drives,and where I got called a Paki, so many English now go to NZ compelling England has too many immigrants and the country doesn’t feel like their own? I am sure thats exactly how the Maoris feel! Irony

  21. I have briefed my parents that when they retire they would be better off selling up everything they own in NZ and move back to Hong Kong, the racism aspect of New Zealand is real and its alive

  22. Most born and raised european NZrs have no idea what its like to learn a second language , let alone move to a foriegn culture and attempt to assimilate useing that learnt language. From personal experience NZ is a hard place to immigrate to because of this fact. There is a kind of phobia towards anything foriegn or different. A culture of conformity which says you must fit in or miss out, which results in a nation of under achievers, and a immigrant population that is ignored. NZrs need to step into the immigrants shoes and see what its really like.

  23. I’m so glad I found this blog, was planning on moving there with my wife (Chinese) I myself I’m Irish, we have 2 beautiful girls and I love my family so much. Too think for 1 second that my wife or children would ever be subjected to any form of racial slur anywhere in world, well frankly that disgusts me. Seems that racism is real issue in NZ. If I had not found this blog and had moved to NZ based on NZ site propaganda alone, I’d surely be jail within a week of landing there, why people subjected to this don’t react furiously and instantly to such injustice is beyond me. I personally wouldn’t hesitate for a second if anyone offended my wife, myself or my children by virtue of racism. Myself that in itself has allowed this issue to fester and turn into such blunt disregard for fellow humans. People subjected to racism should challenge it or the offender will continue to belief in his/her own self righteous bullshit. I’ve been to several countries and sometimes not all have received a few choice words from small minded bigots, being Irish of course I’m none to shy to reply with a few choice words of my own, and in all but 1 case the racist bigots of the world cowarded down like the uneducated filth they are. The exception was a drunken English guy in France, never try and reason with a drunk with words, but I don’t endorse that whole turn the other cheek or the bigger man walks away either, stand your ground in this life and demand equality regardless of consequences. If you don’t then prepare to be become a door matt.

  24. My name is Kevin and I’m African (I don’t call myself by other racist names) and I live in Mobile, Alabama. I just want to share a story with you all. One of my friends, also African, recently took a trip to NZ and began posting all these great things about her trip. I commented on her post how racist the Caucasian’s are in NZ and that those not Caucasian were under dire threat through the racist tactics that they perpetrate on others so often. I thought bringing her attention to the fact that all her money was spent to make the Caucasians there that much stronger, and that she obviously missed all the racist stares (likely ignored them) and comments (which they always make), and that all they wanted her to do was spend her money there. Well, me trying to enlighten her had a totally different effect: she became offended because many of her clients are Caucasian and that they often followed her on Facebook and that saying something like that was not well received. In other words, she doesn’t give a damn about all the racism going on in the world and that it is okay since she has Caucasian friends. Well, I have friends of many races, including Caucasian’s, and they know what I stand for, and to see one of my friends scolding me for informing her about racism in NZ was shameful to me that she was ever considered a friend. Of course, she no longer will be my friend because she doesn’t stand for anything. We all have to stand for something, and I stand with the people of NZ that being treated unfairly, unequally, and unethically by their Caucasian oppressors and their darker allies who look the other way.

  25. I’m a Kiwi born Asian and New Zealand is racist and cruel . I can’t get a job because I’m Asian. A engineering firm was hiring staff and apprenticeships. I was qualified with Skills and experience. But they did not hire, but instead hired an inexperienced and underqualified non Asian. Unfair racist and unfair New Zealand I was born and raised in new Zealand and I cant even get a job, its not just that company, its everywhere I go, even Burger king don’t hire, because I’m Asian. Work and income cut benefit for no reason. What am I to do to survive? ..
    Now I’m In Australia with a eighty thousand dollar job. The people here in Australia are different to Kiwis kind and unbiased I cant survive in NZ even im a KIWI born I cant get job in own country. New Zealand is Shit.

    • You are absolutely correct. Racist people even you are qualified they wouldn’t dare give you a chance and prefers their own colour. See, you are a Kiwi yourself and can’t even land a decent job to put food on the table. Narrow-minded racists.

  26. NZ is very resistant to change, so don’t expect it to do much more than plug along and stay pretty much as it is. The housing is little better than tar-paper shacks, hot in summer and cold in winter. Plumbing that has not been seen in decades, rubber stoppers and all. An “old boy” network that is near immpossible to overcome. Merit in the workplace is an unknown concept, you have had to gone to school, be related to someone, or know someone to catch a break as far as getting and progressing in a job goes.
    Fear of being shown up for being backwards and behind the times is gripping. So, if you are from someplace that is more advanced than NZ [which is most everywhere except maybe some of the Pacific Islands, Afganistan, parts of Africa…], you’ll be looked upon with suspicion and contempt.
    Good luck, I’d shoot for Oz.

  27. Dear All,
    I am bit worried now, This thread realy give a insite abt NZ and its close minded people.

    I am looking to Migrate to NZ with my family and if My family faces with this culture then I am not doing no good to them.

    I am reconaidering my decision. NZ Will have its own problems in future and regrets will not help them then

    Hope AUS good life for us.

    • Good Decision, Stay away from NZ.

      Today another of my friend left for India, he could find a suitable job here and was working at a caryard here to get by. He is qualified CA from India and holds NZICA membership, and his previous job was in big four and guess what, the dumbos here couldnt see an opportunity in employing him.

      But it is not his loss, its this country’s loss, who so easily let go of talented migrants and kiwis alike and could provide a level playing ground for them.

      As i speak, his flight must be somewhere over Australia now, and before he will land in India, he will have a few options to choose from, as he already has few top job offers.Two from Singapore, one from Dubai and few from India based MNC’s.

      Its a sign of the regressive society of NZ, and the tomorrow that awaits for this countryful of morons. I am waiting for my flight away from hobbitoland.

  28. People in NZ are racist. Before Lord of the Rings, you are an unknown country for most part of the world except perhaps China since both countries have long standing relationship. You don’t like migrants but your government lures people to work in your country. Why? Because most of you don’t want to work and just live off the benefits. Mind you, what you’re getting from the government comes from the taxpayers which most of them are immigrants who get in the country by abiding the strict requirements set by the Immigration. And if they want their family to be here, they deserve it.

  29. The title of this post sort of misconstrues the greater reality. ‘NZ is turning into a racist country’ would make people assume that, NZ didn’t used to be a racist eastablishment. However, the reality is that NZ, by foundation was/is a race backed establishment by the european invader/aggressor colonist, and NZ is microcosm of all things racist. It would be fair to credit them that they have become more tolerant and PC, but not near enough, and mostly on papers.

    One doesn’t need to look too deep into NZ society, which sort of markets itself as a country which is at pinnacle of western model of governance. Well..well…looks too good to be true, only on paper…

    The lower class jobs are done by the people of colour here, and the dominant white folks here get all the good jobs. The white diaspora here is even ready to bend its own rule, by choosing an uneducated white over a masters degree holding black/brown man/woman.

    So, next time you are in a taxi in NZ, ask the migrant driver, what sort of degree he holds….

    • NZ is now asking 50,000 Australians to move there because there is a skills shortage.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852629/Would-live-New-Zealand-Kiwi-government-trying-convince-50-000-Aussies-ditch.html

      User “Tin Cup” has pegged things:
      Tin Cup, Sydney, Australia, 1 day ago

      Thank you for allowing my post to appear, finally. I’m not allowed to post the links, but run some online searches for violent crime in NZ. There are websites who post the stats and they are horrifying, particularly as they apply to tourists and desperate northern Europeans seeking a better life. The details and figures are so bad, the NZ government forbids its media to report them. Surely, anyone with a family or who believes they’re visiting a wonderland deserves to know the truth before they commit to such a large step and enormous expense. Forewarned is forearmed. Rose tinted government spin won’t help when you’ve moved your family to the other side of the globe. Sure, NZ wants people to go there, temporarily or permanently. But for whose benefit ?


      Tin Cup, Sydney, Australia, 1 day ago

      You re joking, surely ? Further, I’ve stopped buying supposedly ‘NZ made’ frozen and other groceries since learning they are merely packed in NZ, with their source being China ! NZ is far from the friendly, decent haven it’s marketed as, in my opinion. Even employees at Auckland’s premier motel were aghast when we innocently told them we’d walked through the area at 9 p.m. Apparently we’d risked our lives, according to them. They said they would never go out alone ‘at night’ in that area, which is supposed to be upmarket. A NZ family moved to Queensland and when we naively asked why they’d left the ‘paradise’ that is supposed to be NZ, they stared at us as if we were stupid — ‘crime’ they said, as if we should know, as if everyone must know. They — Kiwis themselves — had fled their homeland to Australia because of crime in NZ that made them fear for their family’s lives. That was several years ago and they’re still in Australia with no intention of returning to NZ


      Tin Cup, Sydney, Australia, 1 day ago

      And the houses ! As we drove into Auckland, I kept waiting for the ‘English style’ houses I expected to see, seeing as NZ is marketed as ‘Just like England only better’. All I saw were TINY little weatherboard dwellings — tiny, made of wood planks — with smoke billowing furiously from chimneys. Like something from the US pioneer West 150 years ago. But the prices for those things are high ! And a fortune is spent trying to keep them heated. Low wages, crime, being stuck at the ends of the earth — no wonder Kiwis are so sour and bitter, the few of them who can afford to holiday in Australia for a couple of weeks. When we owned an electrical retail business in Queensland, New Zealand holiday-makers couldn’t stop exclaiming about how ‘cheap’ electrical goods are in Australia, compared to New Zealand. They bought as much as they could afford, which wasn’t much. They panned New Zealand for as long as we would listen. Then we went to New Zealand to see for ourselves. Doom

      And about the pay
      Brit in Philippines, Laoag, Philippines, 1 day ago

      Then they had better tell the HR people in their businesses. There is no way I am going to pay my way their and get paid 70% the locals get. That is what I have been offered by two places.

  30. They consult each other. When Mary didn’t know my daughter’s skin problem was duet to allergy, Brian was called in as 2nd opinion and he got it right. Shouldn’t they consult each other? I don’t know why Brian thought bringing up jaundice would be undiplomatic.

  31. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9986721/First-time-mum-believed-everything-GP-said

    I wonder whether this doctor is a racist or genuinely made a mistake. Brian was our family’s GP except for my husband who went to his workplace doctor from the beginning. Our son goes somewhere else since he is an adult, but I used to take him to this doctor. My daughter and I used to be under him, but we stopped going there at about 10 years ago after I felt he was not concerned about our health. The incident was over a blood test regarding an allergy for my daughter who is half Asian. So, we went to his wife who was one of 3 doctors, now retired. Last year his wife retired. I was not informed at all while everybody got a letter and invitation for her retirement farewell party. After I found that out, I told the receptionist that I didn’t get the letter. The explanation was that because I was still under Brian’s. I didn’t change my GP from Brain to his wife officially. That was the reason. But, I felt this was weird as this is a small local practice and they must have known that I went to Mary for the last 10 years. Anyway, I found this article on chance while looking for the contact to tell my husband who is going to bring my daughter to the practice. Brian is not our GP anymore but he is the owner of the practice and the 3 doctors share the place. I am concerned after having read this article because I still go to his practice to a different doctor.

    “Plimmerton GP Brian Wesley-Smith’s memory of events was scrutinised yesterday. He insisted he recommended a blood test for the baby when his mother brought him to the doctor with flu symptoms. The mother called this a “lie”.”

    I mentioned above that I changed my GP from him to his wife over blood test. The story is like this. We suspected our daughter had a peanut allergy and I took her to the doctor. I asked for a blood test. He insisted that it wasn’t peanut allergy. I insisted that I would still like to get a blood test done. He kept smiling and try to persuade me by saying that it costs money. I also kept calm and asked him how much. He said it would be about $20. I wondered later “Did he think I wouldn’t have done the blood test for my daughter because of $20?” Later, when i went to the blood test place, it was free. The test result was ‘severe’. I didn’t get a call from the practice. They ring you if the result is bad or concerned but if it is good they won’t ring. That was their policy. I waited for a while and then rang the practice to know the result. The nurse said it was severe peanut allergy. There was no follow up. I felt at that time that the doctor did not care. I am Asian and my daughter is half-Asian. My identity will be exposed if he or other staff read this as this is a small local practice, but after I read the article, I decided to write my experience.

    Extract from the article:

    The baby had jaundice from birth but, being part-Asian, it was hard to tell how bad it was, the mother said. – I don’t know the colour of the baby, how light/dark, but I don’t think it is because being part-Asian. Does anyone here have similar experience? Do western doctor get confused whether it is jaundice or not because of the skin colour?

    Wesley-Smith had not read a midwife’s report in the baby’s file, mentioning jaundice and “lemon-lime poo”.

    He said he worried that bringing up the jaundice would be undiplomatic, and did not book a follow-up appointment because he was not the baby’s regular GP and it was not his place.” –

    This is truly appalling….3 doctors work there. He has been there long and owns the practice with his wife, Mary and another younger doctor.

    • We have entered an age of people unwilling to carry out things agreed to verbally, for whatever reason – because “people should understand that sometimes people agree to do something, even when they don’t intend to”
      and “sometimes to agree is socially more pleasant than to disagree”
      and “just because you’re ignorant, I have no obligation to enlighten you”.

      By not caring, the doctor broke the Hippocratic oath “First, do no harm”.
      Perhaps he thought it was “You harm the parent emotionally by letting them know the child has an allergy” OR “I told the staff doing the testing that I would let the parent know”
      On the flip side, the staff could have let you know quickly, but didn’t.

      Again, welcome to a hidden face of racism.

      Electronic recorders are very cheap now, I recommend you invest in them to catch people out telling such lies. Give them to your kids too, and have them keep (written or typed) diaries to watch “the evolution of character” of their peers towards your children.
      I still have my notebooks (and electronic files) of my social time at university.
      Of course, it would make society paranoid and untrusting. But I suppose, that is now something that people in positions of leadership or confidence(or even your peers), should experience.
      After all, they should only be allowed to make money or help or lead others … when they serve their customers.
      Otherwise, that is theft or betrayal of trust …

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  33. Hye People,

    I am Indian and want to move to NZ , But this discussion made me think twise before taking any steps. My friends do work in wellington n they say racism is all ok until its remains only up to passing comments.

    I have two kids n wife looks like life will be challenging here.

    Please guide me on selecting a city. THANKS

    • If you are thinking of moving with the idea of supporting a family, when you are not a New Zealand citizen, it will not be easy unless:
      1) they are willing to accept a lower standard of living;
      2) you are willing to work your guts out;
      3) you and them are prepared to start your own small business.

      Of course, luck may render all the previous points moot, but are you prepared to put your family’s future in the hands of luck?

      Remember, a migrant from overseas, according to a report, requires over a decade of work in New Zealand … in order to be paid the same wage as the locals.

      • @P Ray Thanks for your point of view and I know it will be challenging, I know it will be most challenging journey. Atleast make effort to do something good for my family and NZ in my own way.

        I will prepare myself for good and progressive carrer in NZ. Hope I will do more than luck.

        • VGP, I am an indian too buddy. I have lived across the breadth of NZ and have been here for a while now. Your friends said that the racism is limited to comments only. Which is bollocks, i have never had any passing comments here around my race, but have had people talking around my back,

          Racism here is on a different level and is subtle and much dangerous. You will know it when you are here, as you have already made up your mind. However, as a well wisher, i would say that don’t burn all your bridges and live here alone at least for six months before bringing your family over to get a taste of it.

          I believe you are in IT, so you will probably have a good company of Indians who work in your industry, so you can suss out things before you transition your family to here. If you got a residency then live here for two to three years and use NZ as a gateway to Australia, as most Indian migrants do.

          Go to Auckland if you want to experience less racism and live in a cosmopolitan environment, as Auckland has so many Indians that you will never miss home (satire!). But its crazy expensive city to live in. Anyways, your call man.

          Good luck.

        • Something for all immigrants to think about when they consider a move, is this gem of a comment that I picked up from my huge text archive:
          You spend more than half of your waking time at work. Money can only improve the time you don’t spend at work up to a limit. This won’t compensate for spending the time you spend working in a crappy environment, with people you don’t like, in bad working conditions, or having to obey heavily bureaucratic regulations – these being specific to any large company.

          Also remember what Vigilante says, and that if looking to buy:
          – House prices in Auckland will rise NZD50K per year.
          – The cheaper the house, the longer the commute.
          – Very few companies practise “virtual office” culture.
          – Remember that every office you work in … WILL have office politics.

  34. This is an extremely insightful post. The Kiwis lack the wherewithal to admit when they are wrong or even to acknowledge a problem. Often, I recall that I would back one into a corner and the Kiwi would just shut up, look at you with some passive aggressive look, and not reply anymore.

    In many respects, the average New Zealander has suffered from an Orwellian conditioning. They convince themselves that they are the best, the most virtuous, and that they know everything. In actuality, most of them are subnormal, ignorant, and often exhibit a strange type of passive aggressiveness. When one points out an obvious problem about New Zealand, their instinctive reaction is to say that the problem is worse elsewhere and that things are not so bad in New Zealand. This is especially so with the Kiwis abroad who seem to think they come from some Edenic paradise.

    • Thanks. I’m happy that I can still, after almost a decade here, make cogent contributions to the site that others like yourself read and enjoy. Of course, I would rather be cruising south in a Daimler on A5 headed in your direction : )

      • @CalvinKulo: I do hope that you can get out as soon as you can. I thank God every single day for being in Switzerland where things work properly and where the overwhelming majority of people are polite and decent. I am also happy that it is 20C inside my apartment this morning, as opposed to 2C inside the house during the cold winter days in New Zealand.

  35. I was in NZ for 18 months in 2006-2008. I heard loads of racist comments against Asians which, given they were coming from white people who’s families can have lived in the country for a maximum of only 150 years or so, was so ridiculous it made me laugh. NZ most definitely has a reputation on the other side of the world for being slightly backward and very racist “but not as bad as Australia” people often say. I got hassle for working in a shop. I’m white and Scottish, so technically it might not be racism, as the guy was white and presumably also European of some descent, but he kicked off saying that foreigners shouldn’t be working here. “Where are all the Kiwis?” he said. “In Edinburgh” I replied.

    • ayearintheweeg,

      The following comments are definitely not directed at you personally.

      “but not as bad as Australia”

      If the people saying this are New Zealanders, it’s not unexpected, for many Kiwis, Australia- bashing is a default position, so they would say that, wouldn’t they?

      Australia has received plenty of justified criticism because of the government’s policy towards “boat people”, however that policy can’t be necessarily considered indicative of attitudes within the country. Recently the UK and other EU nations have adopted more restrictive policies towards “refugees/illegal migrants/asylum seekers”. Naturally, one British journalist blamed the sinister influence of Australia for the change in policy, rather than UK public opinion.

      You might be interested in this survey–

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

      I noticed that members of one particular nationality who complain loudly and often about racism in Australia and NZ, and other Western countries, score very badly on international comparisons. In other words, based on the data of this survey, they’re very racist indeed, no, I’m not going to specify which nationality.
      My objection is to the massive hypocrisy involved in the race debate, thanks to the Net an enormous amount of information is available in regard to race relations and levels of racism around the world. The rate of racism and crime in NZ revealed on this, and other sites, was a revelation, the country presents itself as model for the world, perhaps Kiwis actually believe it.

      I’m not defending Australia’s record BTW, that isn’t the point of my argument.

      Far too many hypocrites are ready to cast the first stone.

      • I noticed that members of one particular nationality who complain loudly and often about racism in Australia and NZ, and other Western countries, score very badly on international comparisons. In other words, based on the data of this survey, they’re very racist indeed, no, I’m not going to specify which nationality.

        That’s disingenuous – attempting to argue from a position of authority or higher knowledge but declining to reveal details for your assertion, let alone any evidence. If you’ve got the goods, please share. If you make your point objectively without appealing to kiwi cultural biases, others on this site would probably appreciate your contribution. Otherwise, it’s just the same not-so-clever-anymore deception that is pervasive in this country: you are equivocating by innuendo.

        New Zealand’s Culture of Censorship
        The problem with New Zealand is the complete lack of credible, self-reflective research. I think some of the major reasons for this are: (1) fact-gathering and research are not funded in academia deliberately unless they contribute to the positive myths and brand image of the country, or promote political or economic goals; (2) there are almost no independent institutions which are not controlled by the government/ruling party/class, and which have the mandate or agenda to publish anything that could threaten the nation’s marketing themes; (3) it was a political and policy decision by the ‘ruling’ party/politburo when it came to power to defund, dismantle and even hide previous (albeit mediocre and very limited) efforts to study NZ’s social problems and publish findings; (4) serious academics and scientists (or anyone else, for that matter) are not recruited or hired if they have a CV that could be(come) critical of NZ [anyone allergic to kool-aide need not apply]; (5) the incumbent research communities in NZ are tightly controlled and censored; (6) research and other evidence are frequently hidden in ‘libraries’ and institutions which do not allow access by the general public. There are probably other good reasons as well. Australia’s Liberal Party is now furthering this approach by suppressing information about boat people, defunding academic research, underfunding or cutting government mechanisms such as the Privacy Commission, ad nauseam.

        See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil
        If an opinion or story or event comes to light that undermines or threatens the delusional reality that underpins the nation’s identity, it is squashed. “We are who we say we are,” reality be damned. If a victim or crusader speaks out against unfairness, abuse, discrimination, or crime, they, too are squashed or marginalised because real kiwis know better.

        But Just Look at the Decadence Elsewhere!
        The US, and to a lesser extent, Europe, are at the opposite end of the spectrum: academic and other private and public institutions, many which are world leaders, are still funding high-quality social policy and other research to address major concerns. As a result, there is ample evidence of racism, discrimination, and other societal ills, etc. Feeding off this environment are the various media outlets always waiting to pounce on any negative story to exaggerate and overdramatise problems for political or ratings purposes. It’s not that the problems are universally worse in the US, it is often the case that there are significant or severe problems in some areas that the rest of (or at least some other segment of) the country wants to improve. The civil rights movement which began after WWII was the result of such an imbalance. The absurd and worsening imbalance of wealth distribution, fueled by corporate and financial shenanigans, is another. The US hands this information to the rest of the world on a platter, and it is so easy to focus on and blame the US, whilst burying NZ’s own severe problems while the nation remains distracted and looks away.

        The National Bully Trap
        Ultimately, it’s still a trap that most kiwis like to set: they can always find some evidence (often very subjective or of poor-quality) that somewhere else has the same – or worse – problem. As a result, the national psyche has a deeply-ingrained defect of equivocation. Major problems thus continue unabated: youth crime, bullying, human rights, pollution, violence against women, discrimination, etc. The kiwi media, government and the vast majority of society all lock arms, equivocate endlessly, and attack the source; they blame the immigrants, Aussies, Americans, British, etc., and bully the courageous fools who spoke up into poverty and submission.

        As it now stands, the social climate for dissent is perilous, at best, in New Zealand, and getting worse in Australia. It may have worsened in the US and Europe, although the dynamics and scale are far different. Russia is effectively a growing dictatorship once again, where dissent and ‘deviants’ are persecuted. China continues to target unrest and dissent with military and police suppression, censorship, and isolation.

        Regardless what is going on in their own country, kiwis would rather pretend to be better and point the finger somewhere else.

        [**note to E2NZ: sorry to repost, but I needed to make a few minor edits]

        • By the tone of your comments, you’ve obviously made an assumption that I’m a Kiwi (is that a category mistake?) in fact I’m an Australian in Australia, consequently you have drawn incorrect inferences from my comments. Actually I became interested in this site and others like it, because, some years ago I was contemplating moving to NZ. You’re the expert on NZ, not me.

          (1) “That’s disingenuous – attempting to argue from a position of authority or higher knowledge but declining to reveal details for your assertion, let alone any evidence.”

          No, it isn’t disingenuous and I wasn’t ‘arguing from authority’– I’ve provided evidence through the link as support for my comments. It appears from your attitude that you haven’t actually visited the relevant site and looked at the map.

          (2) “Regardless what is going on in their own country, kiwis would rather pretend to be better and point the finger somewhere else.”

          Yes and Australians seem a favourite target, I’m really fed up with Kiwi trolls bleating “It’s worse in Australia”.
          From the impression I’ve gained from the net and the NZ MSM, that assessment seems plausible, although Kiwis here in Australia, deny there’s any significant Oz bashing in NZ.

          I generally agree with you other comments, in particular I detest our reactionary Coalition government here in Australia, Abbott and his accomplices are trying to destroy social democracy.

          • @RussellW

            It has been obvious to me for a while that your reasoning skills are well above local genetic conditions, and thus you could not possibly be a domestic species. I confess that my first paragraph in my previous post sounds a bit confusing, as I did challenge you to not pull your punches against other cultures which you believe discriminate as much or more than New Zealand and Australia.

            The rest of the post was addressed to all readers.

  36. I heard that there are all ‘young, blond, blue eyes’ parliament staff. I mean around PM office. It seems it wasn’t like that previously by the tone of the person who told me that. But, this is my assumption. If it was like that with previous government, the person might have said that at that time, so, I hope John Key/staff hires other ethnic group as well.

  37. I am a WHITE African ( born in Zimbabwe ) I have been here 10 years. Money is how you grade your welcome. For years I was not paid the same as Kiwis. I have out worked, out performed and out designed any Kiwi I have worked with and yet they get more I have proof. I am now working for a “moaning pom” and finally am paid what i am worth. Let Kiwi’s moan at us my non Kiwi brothers and sisters we will soon out number them :-) then the shoe will be on the other foot. Hay here is an idea all vote for a non white leader that will shake their stupid little beehive tree house… BAHAHAH

    • You’re right about “Money is how you grade your welcome”.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11172701
      Census 2013: Immigration at new high
      By Susan Edmunds
      10:45 AM Sunday Dec 15, 2013
      It takes a typical immigrant 12 years to get the same wages and type of job that a New Zealand-qualified person would get.
      But even then there is the “international student, who began and completed their studies in New Zealand”, that will never get those opportunities eventhough they’re “New Zealand-qualified”.
      The media is very quiet about that…

  38. Wow and here I am a black American considering visiting NZ to ESCAPE racism, but it’s everywhere..so goes my NZ vacation planning. Good to know wouldn’t be welcomed BEFORE I started buying tickets. Is Fiji racist too?

    • Hi Registered Nurse – if you’re coming for a holiday and you are not in a work setting you will probably not experience any racism at all. You would also be less likely to experience racism than someone of Chinese descent. The place is great for a holiday but it is a VERY different thing to work and live here. But you will probably love it for a holiday and african americans are pretty welcome here in general. You would get less flack than a white american, possibly, among the hipster set in Auckland and Wellington. Black frame glasses, goatees and weird hats. They will love you as much as they hate your white countrymen.

    • Not sure what parts of Auckland or Wellington GetMeOuttaHere is referring to, but the goatees and weird hats are little more than costumes most of the time. There may be a few who routinely dress that way around Cuba Street in Wellington or near the University of Auckland, but they are less than .01% of the population. New Zealand is a very centre-mass, conformist place, meaning that most people [strive to] dress, talk, walk, act and speak the same way. Foreign accents, particularly American, are discouraged or shunned outright.

      Wellington city is almost entirely government-service bureaucracy in one way or the other. There are a fair number of immigrants, but they are mostly pakeha (of white European origin). You can go weeks in Wellington without seeing a black person (except Asians who might consider themselves “black”). Auckland is mostly business types. You may find more ethnic diversity there in some areas, but blacks of African[-American] descent are very rare. If you head to Christchurch, or other smaller cities, or the suburbs of Auckland or Wellington, you can expect to encounter some public ambivalence and occasional outward hostility.

      As for feeling welcomed? Tourists with big grins and wallets generally are welcome in most cities in the world, as long as they stay on the beaten path and come to spend. Any bigotry or intolerance will remain mostly out of sight, if it’s just a short visit and you stay in he CBDs (central business districts). Being black, you may find mainstream white kiwis more willing to overlook your nationality temporarily just to find out how you think, feel and talk, and whether you eat with utensils. Maori might express a certain affinity or desire to get to know you, as their subculture tends to borrow (steal?) heavily from the American urban black mystique. Both cultures probably want to know about how bad racism is in the US and what is going on in Missouri, just to get their daily dose of superiority complex. If you start badmouthing the US and discussing all the perceived problems there, you might even feel some superficial welcome from a few encounters. However, don’t be fooled into thinking the grass is greener here for black, white, Asian or any other colour or nationality.

      There was a black veterinarian who lived here for a few years, gave up and left, who posted here. There are also a few comments further up this thread and elsewhere on this site from others who are black. You may want to read what they have experienced before making any permanent move.

  39. Hi there.
    I am truly sorry of the abuse you and your friends have endured and I completely understand why you feel this way toward us. I want to let you know that there are some good Kiwis out there. It sucks you had to come across our scum. I am sorry on behalf of them. I personally love foreigners; my very good friends through my life consisted of Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Norwegians, Germans and English, all of whom embraced and respected our Kiwi culture. Fortunately for them they had good experiences here and wish they’d come back. I am not particularly fond of our culture and at times don’t feel “Kiwi”, and I do know of this prejudice attitude you speak of. However I know it’s not only experienced here in NZ – I’ve noticed it a great deal when I lived in Australia and through the glory of the internet, apparently the US has it pretty bad too. I think anywhere you go which is foreign in the world will contain groups of people with closed minds and hearts. I also know that there are those of us that do have open minds. I hope that soon you’ll run into THIS type of Kiwi.

    • @01 muffin – thank you! yes, I have been forgetting that a good portion of the population here is kind and decent and also not racist. Hard to find sometimes, but there all the same. But I’m just popping up to say thanks for existing among a population where your mindset is sometimes, er, less common than it should be. Life here can be hard for anyone who doesn’t join in the mindless “hate on the outsider” vibe that it takes to be a good kiwi, so thanks for existing, and yes I have found some kiwis very kind and decent. Except I get to know them and they leave for anywhere and everywhere overseas!

    • That says quite a lot about you, but at least you’re honest.

      There really are many people who truly love human beings and see only the best in them. I used to be one of them, but New Zealand cured me of that.

  40. I am an Asian female who has been living in Auckland for the past two decades. I don’t have an accent and although I am known to be intellectual in my group of friends (both immigrants and kiwis) I wouldn’t say that it can be directly linked to my race. Most of my achievements and wisdom come from my personal desire to do well and from just having a general interest in learning new things. None of my family were interested in watching nine hours of documentaries, etc so I don’t believe that I got these desires from my culture. But this doesn’t stop 98% of my peers from saying that I got a scholarship in calculus because I’m Asian or that I know the structure of the brain because my parents want me to become a doctor.

    My parents have never had to be particularly strict with me and they let me have a lot of freedom growing up. I wouldn’t say I retained the ‘Asian culture’ or adopted the kiwi culture instead I have a mix of multiple like a lot of immigrants in my generation have. I’m currently doing a commerce and law degree. Simply because I want to. Now let’s be honest. How many of you had a thought pop up thinking that I was doing that because my parents wanted me to be successful in life? Or slightly disapproves of me because I’m not doing med? I know when I used to tell people what I wanted to do in uni at least 40% of them said “Is that because you want to or because your parents are making you?”.

    It was fun to watch all the heads turning in confusion when I swore because a little Asian girl should be shy and conservative. I am not.

    I went to an all girls school and to get home I would have to pass our brother school. Every single fucking time at least one boy would yell a racist remark at me. “Saranghai!” “Make me some sushi!” “Come to my bedroom and I can blindfold you with string!” “You have big boobs for an Asian!”. Firstly, can I just say that I find it pretty offensive that people group all Asians together just because we look a like. I didn’t even know what Saranghai or however you spell it meant until I was retelling my friends the story. Even in school, skinny blonde girls would walk into me while loudly chattering and look at me expecting me to apologise and scurry away. If they weren’t so disrespectful I probably would have at least said sorry but I preferred to enjoy the looks on their faces when I firmly but politely tell them to use their inside voices and to mind their manners and then push myself between them. I don’t understand how they were so skinny yet they could take up the whole passage way? Honestly, what type of fucked up society do we have in New Zealand that any of this would be considered alright in any context? If immigrants weren’t here, they’d find someone else to be rude to because that’s apparently NZ etiquette.

    I know everyone is guilty of being racist/stereotyping. I know when I get on the bus and I have to pick someone to sit next to I pick the Asian girl because majority of the time they respect personal space and don’t try to sleep on me like multiple people do after a long day in the city. I don’t consider this racist. I do not have time to interview each individual on the bus until I have found the most suitable person to sit next to because that’s just unreasonable. Stereotyping is part of every day life and I feel it is alright in some contexts. I acknowledge that sometimes other people respect space too and choose not to use me as a bed and that some Asians prefer to touch my arm with theirs. It is still a hit and miss but with my stereotyping I’m able to at least miss a lot less.

    Although I dislike NZ culture, I believe that the people who move here do have a responsibility to learn about it and try somewhat adopt it. But in return, NZers should be considerate and accept the fact that our nation is changing and I believe that neither Asian,etc or Kiwi cultures are winning in this social war. I believe a new culture is emerging which I call the new kiwi culture. For those who want to keep the old kiwi culture are either ignorant, just plain rude, or idiotically stubborn.

    Sorry this was so long but trust me it’s just an overview of all the shit I’ve been getting ever since I was little just because I’ve got black hair and squinty eyes. If NZ keeps up it’s racism I bet you that tourism will plummet as well as our populations. Be more accepting. If we’re taking your jobs it’s simply because you aren’t trying hard enough.

  41. All the people who are saying “If you don’t like it then go somewhere else” are bloody ignorant. Do you not realise that ‘immigrants’/non-whites/non-Maori make nearly half the New Zealand population. If they all took your advice and left then the New Zealand economy would collapse especially because European kiwis normally expect a higher wage for labour. So enjoy reversing back to the village days because there won’t be enough businesses open to have any CBDs and enjoy expenses, including water, electricity and, of course, data, being doubled. Oh and also enjoy inbreeding because if you just want to accept people who look like you go fuck your mother. Excuse my language.

  42. All the people who are saying “If you don’t like it then go somewhere else” are bloody ignorant. Do you not realise that ‘immigrants’/non-whites/non-Maori make nearly half the New Zealand population. If they all took your advice and left then the New Zealand economy would collapse especially because the majority of European kiwis expect a higher wage for labour. So enjoy reverting back to the village days because there won’t be enough businesses open to have any CBDs and enjoy expenses, including water, electricity and, of course, data, being doubled. Oh and also I hope you like inbreeding because if you just want to accept people who look like you go fuck your mother. Excuse my language.

  43. I have not been further than Australia but I have been to Auckland and having seen the effect of Asians in New Zealand has not been an enjoyable experience. I believe that if you visit another country you should respect that countries culture. This I feel from what I have seen is not happening. Arrogance predominates mainly by the wealthier Asians. I and other New Zealanders do not appreciate having to step to the side of a footpath that has a line of Asian youth stretched across the full width of a footpath werer very upset when I held my line and as a consequence bumped into one of these young guys. I am 71 and this is my country. The other disgusting habit is indiscriminate spitting; this I saw many times in the Auckland Airport. These ‘spitters’ were well dressed business men who did not care about us and what we expect. To Asians I suggest you buy a book on NZ etiquette and try to please those you wish to respect you. It only takes a few rotten apples to spoil the whole barrel. The arrogance has come with the apparent wealth and it seams as though they have scant regard for our considered good manners.
    Bob from Rotorua..

    • Well thanks for being honest, Bob. Your attitude is probably much more representative of Kiwis than the stereotypes to used attracts ‘Asian’ people (and their money) to New Zealand.

  44. “Asian countries are far more cosmopolitan and accepting than any NZ city, and asians are ‘warm’ people, with a spark of life. They aren’t void, visceral, stark, cold hearted, beer belching, devoid of life morons like typical kiwis. ”
    This is my experience also from spending time all over Asia and living there. Even if you are really depressed in Asia there is always something to cheer you up, out on the streets and in the community. Here in NZ what you see out on the streets and in the community makes you want to go home and pull the curtains closed. There is something very wrong here and it completely repels me now as though it is not even worth understanding – it is too sick and repulsive. I have only been back here three weeks and I feel I am entering a space which makes me very unhappy and uncomfortable. I am a Kiwi and I am embarrassed to some extent about this, but Kiwi or not I am just a person, and I do not fit in here. I cannot spend anymore time in this country as it is just not for me. It is like voluntarily drinking poison to stay and live here. As pretty as it is there are also pretty places in other countries, and living with the bit of scenery that NZ manages to offer is not enough to offset the insanity of living in such a society.

    • If asian countries were racist, then no white old men from NZ would be able to rape young girls in countries like Combodia and get away that easily, where they go lustfully to quench their degenerate desires. Then you wouldn’t see old fat white kiwis, with their asian brides.

      Actually, whites are the privileged bunch in Asia, which i absolute loathe. Because of my own experiences in white countries.

      Asian countries are far more cosmopolitan and accepting than any NZ city, and asians are ‘warm’ people, with a spark of life. They aren’t void, visceral, stark, cold hearted, beer belching, devoid of life morons like typical kiwis. Whites survive and do very well in Asian countries, and on the contrary they have somewhat of a ‘white privilege’.

      As an Indian, I have been around the world, and grown up in cosmopolitan city of New Delhi, and i have seen the kind of respect even a typical white person gets there. Having lived in the white ghettos called as Hastings-Napier, i know what racism is about. My wife if from Honk Kong, and i have spend a significant time there, and i love the locals, never felt racism, but warmth there. Same in Singapore, Beijing, and Seoul, met very nice and warm people and made friends in very short visits. But given my eight years in NZ, i couldn’t make even a single kiwi friend. Must be something wrong with me huh? My friends here are migrants, like Americans, Germans, Chinese, Indians, Cambodians etc etc., not a single kiwi!

      Given my experiences in different part of the world, especially in Asia, it is a crystal clear fact that kiwis are devoid of something called as ‘the zest of life’. The other bunch of people i loathe are the white south africans who are at par with kiwis, when it comes to racism, but even then, they are high achievers than kiwis with good qualifications and zest for life, even with their deranged and skewed outlook. But kiwis are an absolute lifeless bunch of people!

      • @Vigilante: That is a very perceptive piece. When I had the misfortune to live in Retardicon 6 (New Zealand) I was somehow able to befriend plenty of people from other countries whether Australian, South African, British, Austrians, Chinese, and Indians, but incapable of getting on with the degenerate Kiwi inbreds.

        • All my friends here are from other counties too – I’m Canadian and I’ve been here 21 years and most of my friends are Chinese, South African, English, American… I do have a couple of fairly close kiwi friends but I would say I do all the entertaining, all the favors, all the friendship really. But I do know 2 kiwis who would ignore me at a party and who would consider me in a friend-ish way I think. But I worked at that. Get tired of how nothing is reciprocated and quite a bit is expected. And you never know, because part of how they bond is by ganging up on an “outsider”. They are not an outgoing people.

        • @Safe You are lucky to slip through this destitute island to beautiful Switzerland, I am counting my days, and researching my options, and definitely don’t want to go to Australia from here.

          Maybe Canada or Denmark, or even contemplating to return to India, but my wife wouldn’t want to live there, and I wouldn’t want to live in HK, owing to our language barriers.

          So…it seems like the bridges back to our homes have been long burnt…and we could only go forward from here. But now i am finding myself with this ‘fear’ of migrating again…talk about ‘Once burnt twice shy’.

          • @Vigilante: The feeling of being outside New Zealand in a country that functions properly where the people are nice and friendly is refreshing. I certainly think lovely Australia would be a few steps up and a welcome respite from New Zealand. The hardest part is leaving New Zealand, but things will improve in your new country. There are places in the world that reward hard work and industry, but regrettably, New Zealand is not one of them.

  45. Thank you for your advice, very appreciated! The robotic stuff was good to get me a visa and residency but I don’t see myself working in an office or workshop for the rest of my life. What I want to achieve is simply a better quality of life! In Germany I had everything I needed: a nice car, an awesome place to stay, good income, friends…but what would come next? Another car, more money, a bigger house, more friends? And after this is achieved?!! I just want to do something different and fortunately robotic is not the only thing I’m good at. I love the outdoors, meeting new people and cultural exchange. Honestly, I reached the point where I just can’t wait to finish work and go back to things I really enjoy like hiking, running, rock climbing, all sorts of work out (no, not lifting weights at the gym!) and martial arts and I might be wrong, but NZ seems to be a good place to do so. Even though it might be not the easiest thing to do, I would like to try Eco-tourism. Surely, If I’d go for the easier option it would save me lots of hassle but is that it? I mean, is that what life is about, taking the short cut and do all the easy things? I want to learn and experience more and I’m not afraid to fail. I won’t give up only because it might be uncomfortable. How can I tell people off to blame others for their failure and then just leave because things are not as easy as I’d like them to be? I don’t want to get rich as having money does not equal being happy! I’m not just saying it, I experienced it for myself. Also, it might give me the chance to make a change, to show people that being tall and fat does not make you strong, as a big had does not make you smart! It is really sad what is going on in this country and how people treat their environment, following blind the mass media, not using their own brain! Someone has to make a change…so why not make the first step?! I’ll try it…Argentina can wait :)

    • I think you are being very naïve and foolish by mistaking achieving your dreams in New Zealand for a challenge. You might want to check out the Retardicon 6 link at the top of the page and the section pertaining to business conditions in New Zealand. There are plenty of nicer places in the world where you can develop yourself.

    • If New Zealand makes you happy, then good on you.

      Just realise that the postcard-idyllic lifestyle will cost you a lot in New Zealand – in more than just money: New Zealand’s value proposition has been covered a lot elsewhere on this site. Perhaps you understand this vicariously, but after 5-10 years you will feel it to the core.

      Since this thread is about racism, the only issue is whether you will have a fair chance to earn what you need or succeed in business in order to have the kind of life you seek. If it works out for you, great. All the best.

  46. Hi all! I read half of the posts here and decided to share my experience. I was born in Kyrgyzstan and my family moved to Germany when I was about six years old. They call us Russian-Germans as back in the days Kyrgyzstan was a part of the Soviet Union. Kyrgyzstan borders China, so all my life I had to put up with all sorts of names like Russian-Chinese, Russian-German, German-Russian, Mongo-German etc…In Germany we lived in an area mostly inhabited by Turkish and Arabic so I learned to get along with all sorts of people from different backgrounds with different believes, saw that everything only depends on RESPECT and TOLERANCE! About four years ago, I was 25 back then, I decided to travel Australia to learn English. Yes, we do learn English at school but as a teenager I had “better” things to do than learning a language I did not feel having the need to learn.
    I’m a Robotic Engineer, back then fluent in German and Russian, who got called a dumb f…, who comes to take away jobs Australians could do! Well, most of the time I was picking fruit for an hourly rate no Aussi would get out of bed for, not to mention the amount of hours I worked (60-70 a week), living in a shed, paying AUD 170 a week! After over a year, when I was able to have a conversation in English, I found a job in Metal Fabrication where I had the hardest time ever. My work “mates” gave me a hard time because of my accent or just laughed at me all day, calling me all sorts of names or saying things I couldn’t understand as they spoke their slang in combination with their accent. “Just giving you shit mate!” After work, when I did not stay back for beers because I had to study for the IELTS test (I decided to stay in Australia for a while), I got called gay fuck, fucking pussy and fucking sober Nazi, just to mention a few. If I would stay, it would be me standing there with a beer while the other 5 or six, including the boss, would make fun of me, call me names and pretend to punch or kick me, “just pushing your buttons mate.” When one day one of those punches actually hit me and I accidentally, by reflex (I have years of Kickboxing experience) knocked the attacker out, I got accused of getting smashed and attacking people without any reason.
    I had had enough of Australia and decided to see a bit of NZ and then go back to Europe.
    When I came here, I met some awesome people who supported me in every aspect of life and after 2 months they even found me a job programming handling and welding robots!
    It sounded so great that I decided to apply for a Work Visa. The company I work for bought a CNC Press Brake / Robot combination a while before I started there and couldn’t operate it, so they were quite happy when I told them I could fix and operate it. And so I did, even though our production manager doubted it from the first day as he tried it himself and he had years of experience with this kind of machinery, so he told me. Well, since then he calls me names, every day something new. I’m vegetarian, Buddhist, do yoga, work rather hard and drink very rarely, which he can’t understand or better say he can’t understand that I’m not like him. He calls me things like skinny-yoga-loving-fuck or German penis, greets me in front of everyone with “good morning you fucking weirdo” and during meetings which all staff attend he refers to me as The German, most of the time mimicking my accent. I ignore him calling me dumb fuck, as mentioned before I am a Robotic Engineer, speak now three languages fluently, and I’m confident to say my spelling is far better than his. Every day I have to listen to his stories about him being awesome and he would show me how to be a kiwi. Well, if being Kiwi means being like him, an ignorant, arrogant guy with a personality disorder, I rather go for Mongo-German or even fucking weirdo! I will apply for a resident visa soon and will leave the company as soon as possible to start my own business. And if people out there think they will loose their jobs or businesses because of me, I can assure you that your success only depends on what you put in! Don’t blame the others because you’re not capable of doing your job! I see my fellow workers everyday walking in slow motion from and to the smoko room, not caring about what they produce, cracking a beer as soon as they walk through the door and having sick leave when they don’t feel right! Kiwis definitely have a problem with people like me who think differently, have different hobbies or another way of life, but the problem are not the foreigners, the problem is in your heads! How would you expect someone who comes from the other side of the world to have the same humor, same interests, same way to do things or to eat the same food?! Why do you think foreigners prefer to be with their own kind rather then integrating? Because Kiwis love to point out differences and make people feel like shit or unwanted and call it “humor!”
    I won’t leave, I love the country and as sad as it is I learned to live without people if I have to,
    but I hang around with all the other weirdos, all those Indians, Chinese and Coconuts ..love it!

    • Utterly inspiring and well written. But I have to wonder: what do you expect to accomplish in NZ? Assuming you do start your own company, do you think there will be much of a market for your robotics expertise, assuming that is the field you would start in? I mean, seriously, if you were going to manufacture DIY P-labs or boy-racer exhausts, I’d say your company would thrive, but given your obvious intelligence, why do you want to waste it here? Even if you find some clients and can achieve profitability, your business will always be small if confined to the domestic market, and the chance of exporting would be crippled by finance, logistics and materiel constraints.

      Here is another thing to consider: the arrogant, brutish, lazy types you described are dominant in New Zealand, and exist at all strata of society: in the police, in the judiciary, in the local, regional and national governments; in the IRD, the hospitals, the law offices; they are everywhere. You may enjoy the company of fellow in-migrants, but they are not in charge, and at some point you will come face to face with yet another cretin who holds power over your life. So, if you get into legal trouble, if you become seriously ill, if you defend yourself when attacked and are prosecuted for it, if you need to enforce a contract, who are you going to call? In New Zealand, fairness and justice are cultural.

      Although there are many things to like about New Zealand’s geography, low population density, and dwindling natural appeal, it is the people who will determine the quality, and limits, of your life.

      • @Banano: Feel free to in German if it is more comfortable for you. I would very much urge you to adopt Calvin’s advice and consider cutting your losses and leaving New Zealand. New Zealand is a place where the government, public, and virtually everyone will try to undermine your achievement. If you love the natural beauty, then go to Alaska, Chile, or Africa, as these places are beautiful and populated by somewhat better people.

  47. Guess it’s all changed huh….

    Of eastern asian descent, grew up in NZ, best mates kiwis, left the country after high school, memory of NZ being the best damn experience of my life, was an anchor point to think back to during difficult uni life abroad. ended up at a top-tier school currently working on finishing my degree with one of the highest grade point average in the major.

    highest level of satisfaction in the public can be observed in countries with racial homogeneity, high GDP and low differences in socioeconomic benefits.
    (this will sound racist but) From a totally detached point of view I will say that the racism that we’re witnessing comes from the white population in a far from justified fashion. It is unjust because some of the white population believes that they are entitled to what NZ has to offer. Racism comes about from a stress stimulus. the stress is the loss of higher-tier jobs and a higher quality of living – they feel that what they owned previously has been taken from them.

    It is only natural that the progeny of the immigration pool end up on top of the food-chain. Most immigration parents are/were professionals in their fields. Most made career sacrifices for the betterment of their children’s living conditions/education on their journey to the land of the long white clouds. Why do Asians/Indians try so hard in education? It’s a little bit like fear conditioning. If we conduct an experiment where the subject is prodded with the introduction of a high pitched tone, the subjects learn to associate two unlinked stimuli/punishment and will run when they hear the high pitched tone. The stun rod is unemployment, something most 1st gen. immigration kid would have grown up with and the high pitched tone is analogous to failure to excel. (my younger brother stayed up 4 nights in a row to ensure [literally] straight E’s in his NCEA finals, I asked him why and he tells me “failure is not an option” we should insert failure at ‘excellence’)

    Its time for the NZ population to wake up and smell the air – it isn’t sweet, it smells more like the gentle yet harsh salt smell of our beaches. Look at the rate at which our NZ population is increasing compared to the rate at which our resources are increasing… it doesn’t take a genius to figure out the equilibrium that the NZ economy will have to come to in order to satisfy both boundary conditions and the collateral damage that ensues with the change.

    Yes, alien immigrants come to NZ waving great wads of cash. they claim they’re paying for superior education, they end up get the same education as your children, the difference is that one child takes more out of the same class than the other. it’s all in the mindset.

    I don’t want to blame the govt but they aren’t doing a stellar job on their part.

    all in all, the white parents blame asians/indians for taking their jobs, the children see this, learned behavior is witnessed in schools, we get an article or 2 on the news, govt spends money on anti-racism in schools, the cycle continues. What the govt needs to do is to focus on creating new jobs for kiwis (indigenous/pakeha/implants alike). Our racism doesn’t come about from just the difference in skin color, it’s not some hate-crime for the darker skinned counterpart, its an associated feeling from the loss of jobs and positions linked to the introduction of heterogeneous races into the socio-economic ecosystem.

    • What made you leave your country of birth? Was it because you happened to be a tall poppy, that your parents felt will be crushed down in your holy sweet Aeteroa? And then they siphoned you out of here. Good that you got a degree, as majority of your fellow countrymen don’t possess that. You have made your country proud. But don’t be too proud too soon as possessing a degree is a ‘constant’ in Asian and Indian community. Everybody has got a degree, and masters is the new norm, go try throw a rock in a crowd in India and it will land up upon somebody who has a degree. And most of them have good GPA’s too, try Ivy League institutions, Indians are over-represented there. Try Silicon Valley, most of the engineers running the show there are FOB Indians. So, you still don’t stack up enough, compared these races which are looked down upon, back here in your sweet Aeteroa.

      ‘Highest level of satisfaction in the public can be observed in countries with racial homogeneity’, that is a childish statement and sounds like one of those clichés which are frequented by KKK, Neo-Nazis, Skin-heads and the neo cons. First of all, you have to define satisfaction and please do that in a non ‘Smitho-Keynesian’ context, because ‘hyper inflating money supply’ is not the most benevolent sign of heightened personal satisfaction. GDP historically doesn’t coincides with the societal satisfaction, and with rise in GDP the rise of underclass is a so called ‘given’, because ‘the capital’ always tends to find ways to bring the wages down, or to find new avenues to shift to those areas where the wages are low. This is the fundamental ‘greed’ backed flaw that the whole modern economics is based upon, and an illusion so distinct before our eyes, but we do little to get rid of it. So, economic predicators such as GDP are a purely an ‘industrial construct’ who has little worth to gauge a country’s economic development. The fundamental lesson that one learns graduating from micro economic to macroeconomics is the difference between ‘growth’ and ‘development’. NZ is neither growing, now will it develop, because of the level of societal degeneration here. I would like to know how many of your countrymen are satisfied, with around a million of them already living off the shores of Aeteroa. So, in a nutshell and to put it crudely racism doesn’t comes from ‘stress stimulus’ of ‘getting their jobs taken over by migrants’, it comes from their lack of education, lack of vigilance and the level of societal degeneration here.

      Socioeconomic differences that you see in many of western nations as NZ, is the net output of the crony capitalism, which is fundamentally a ‘western system’ and was initially hatched by the imperialistic superpowers, to stripe and exploit the indigenous of their resources. In contemporary context, this poisonous system is striping the working class out of their right, and sowing seed sof disdain amongst the working class, right here in Aeoteroa, which is betting high on a debt based economic bubble, boasting about the so called ‘Rockstar Economy’. When the bubble will burst, the kiwi degenerates will blame the migrants, AGAIN!

      In NZ, a majority of the people are the son/daughter of immigrants, but only the Asians and Indians are the ones who are high achievers. Why? If your logic was correct then why isn’t it every ‘kind’ of second generation migrants here are high achievers? But that not being the case, and only Indians and Asians being over-represented in the academia, there must be something fundamentally wrong with the kiwi culture, which is a coagulated mix of so many X,Y,Z European subcultures. the reason my friend is not, ‘fear conditioning’, it called as proper parenting that the euro kiwi kids here miss out on, owing to the absentee parents. Indian and Asian families centres around their kids, and the parents instil very high value in their kids, and its not the fear of failing, but it is the ‘joy of success’ that motivates them, which the rugby piss heads would never understand. Kiwis can discount it as ‘fear conditioning; or ‘tiger parenting’, but they understand the importance of them when they see the Asian/Indian kids taking home the trophies, while their kids getting pregnant by different guys, every ‘open season’.

      I will ‘fail’ the very logic of your ‘growing population vis-à-vis resources growth’ ranting, using an argument from same school of ‘Smitho-Keynesian’ economics that you draw and sputtered from. And i quote from ‘the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research’ which believes we’d be better off with 15 million of us. With just 4,447,369 of us rattling around in 268,000 square kilometres of this green and pleasant land, there’s plenty of space for everyone in New Zealand, and we are all human being getting on with our lives and i have a faith that we will get on well, minus people like you.

      And being an Indian, i am a preacher of ‘human independence’ from the ‘nanny state’, so i would say that we shouldn’t look towards the government to create jobs, while we can create them ourselves. This is the very fundamental difference that many will notice, between you and me, one born in a so called third world, where you are in ‘sole charge’ of rowing your boat of destiny, accepting failure and success and rowing ahead, taking it as the crucial part of personal journey, while on the other end of the spectrum is you, who was born and grew up in a benevolent nanny state, who still looks up to the nanny to do everything for him. This change of perspective is what migrants bring, and create new jobs. Countries are built upon migrants, as we are all, at the end of the day, sons of daughters of immigrants, somewhere down in our histories.

      On a slightly philosophical note, nobody is an ‘alien’ and everybody is ‘fellow human’ who deserves equality, love and respect, as these values are the very foundation of human peace.

  48. I’m 17 years old, i’m Maori. I can’t say that i’m not racist, but i am open to many cultures of all countries. But here in Aotearoa i will always say i am my sub tribes before i am a kiwi, i dont see myself as a Kiwi, because i just dont. that’s all, hei kona ;)

  49. sorry haven’t read through all these posts, just wondered if anybody knew if the spear tackler who almost killed O’Driscoll a few years ago during British and Irish Lions tour, was still playing for the dark side (all blacks)

  50. I come from South Africa, was discriminated all my life for being the wrong colour and now in New Zealand i have to act as though i am stupid and don’t know anything, this is the impression they have of African, (stupid poor people who live in huts, etc.. ) because if i show them how much i trully know they will see me as arrogant or be intimidated. The cycle continues…

  51. After reading this thread that has been going strong for the past four years is making me rethink the idea of doing a working holiday in New Zealand. As a black american woman (my roots can be traced back to Germany not Africa) I am no stranger to racism both color and gender wise but I would rather not take a time where I would like to explore the culture of another country looking over my shoulder or making sure that I can beat off attackers. However my question for the posters is one I saw but no one answered. Are both islands strongly racist or is it in isolated areas?

    • It is widespread, but is probably worse on the South Island, and everywhere else on the North Island outside large institutions in Wellington and Auckland. Even in national government departments or ministries, Anna’s advice is spot on: be prepared to duck and expect the people to be weird. Both my partner and I have known non-kiwi non-white people of color who are treated exactly as Anna described – and this is in work scenarios where you would expect the caliber of people to be above that. Not so in NZ: ignorance and prejudice run rampant from the bottom to the top. For example, your boss, who, might be a general manager earning 150k per year, could ask if you are accustomed to using a knife and fork while you are both out for a group lunch in front of your coworkers, and actually mean it.

      Also, be careful not to be drawn into any discussions about the negative aspects of the US or its politics by kiwis (and other nationalities) – it is an ambush, and you will lose whether you are right or wrong. Be proud of where you come from, but do not ever be drawn into any discussions about the US, or, worse, attempt to explain or defend anything: they simply won’t get it. No matter how sincere they might sound, or well-meaning you strive to be, you.will.lose.

      Good luck, but bring your “A” game and always keep your guard up. Whenever – and I do mean whenever – you (over-)hear an offensive remark, immediately ask the person, in front of everyone else, in a calm, clear, strong, and deliberate voice, to repeat what they said, and explain what they meant. Then, without getting angry, explain to them just how wrong or retarded they are in front of everyone else, from a position of higher class. If you can do this without being caught flatfooted or off-guard, or in a moment of weakness when you might respond angrily, most of the garden-variety cretins will leave you alone most of the time, for fear of being put in their place on front of their mates.

    • One of the reason why we didn’t go to Christchurch about 20years ago was that I read a newspaper article that a dairy owner (Indian) was attacked by a racist. We stay in North island, but I notice racism everyday by retailers, service people etc… But, I am not sure whether these people will ignore other non-desirable in their eyes white customers/clients. If they do, it will be just discrimination? But, how often they will ignore white people? As much as they ignore Asian people? I am saying ‘asian’ because I am speaking from my own experience.Many asians treat whites better than fellow asians, particularly if they are not aware of ‘racism’ that they are getting from whites. These people are usually over friendly towards Whites naively.

      By the way, there was a recent incident that appalled many people, but I don’t know how many are happy secretly or openly in their close circle of friends about the judge’s decision. It will be interesting to do survey how many people were happy about the decision to find out the rough percentage of racism population.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/10537657/Racially-abused-taxi-driver-devastated-by-discharge

      http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/no-charges-over-taxi-driver-racist-abuse-2013073116

  52. I find ‘helloanonme”s opinion is also valuable. It wasn’t trolling. I wish “helloanonme’ could come back. I thought we could have a good discussion between racism and discrimination.

    Even Asians/Maori/Pacific discriminates Asians let alone whites. Is this racism or discrimination? Even they treat Whites better than the others. Is this racism or discrimination?

    How can we separate racism from discrimination? How would I know certain incident/discrimination/bad treatment was based on ‘racism’ or ‘discrimination’?

    Once a very short woman (white) told me that she would sometimes be ignored by shop assistants. My guess is that those shop assistants will more likely discriminate/ignore non whites, particularly, Asians in shops based on ‘weak, not-wealthy look = minority group’.

    If the shop assistant ignores me, she becomes ‘racist’ because I am Asian? But, one day if I turn up the shop with very wealthy look, if she treats me with politeness and friendliness, she is not a racist, is she?

    So, how do we define racism and discrimination?

  53. Admin,

    “youll(sic) find (that) usa(sic) and australia(sic) have higher levels of racism then(sic) n.z(sic),
    Some Kiwis just can’t resist bashing the usual targets, can they?

  54. On a hole I would agree nz has racism but not every white new zealander shares these views youll find usa and australia have higher levels of racism then n.z I personally accept people on who they are not there nationality.

  55. @helloanonme

    Again, another kiwi not living in the promised land lecturing others about how kiwis really are. Puhlleeze, as if your location of birth decades ago makes you an all-knowing expert. I probably have lived in NZ more in the past 10 years than you have. Does that make my point of view more valid, or are you still the expert because of your birthright? Should I lecture you about the subtleties of the culture you do not live in? BTW, a weekend flight back from Oz once a month to visit rellies doesn’t make you a resident, nor revalidate your expert badge.

    No one here is demonising ALL kiwis, and you need not take the negative comments personally. However, you really hit the nail on the head by focusing on culture – which is the source of the problem in NZ: the country is not a nation of laws, but a tribal land controlled by bi-cultural rules. So, the discussion should not be about whether it is culturally acceptable to flatulate loudly at the office or at the Marae, but whether laws mean anything at all here and are enforced fairly, if ever.

    FYI, electricity rates in the US vary WIDELY by region, so you simply cannot make a comparison.

    • @Calvin Kulo
      What part of
      “I’m not an NZ’er”
      didn’t you understand?

      I’m not now, nor have I ever been a citizen of NZ.
      As already mentioned I live in NZ periodically. What wasn’t mentioned is I’ve been doing this for 28 years! Also not mentioned, I am currently IN Nelson. As for the, ‘visiting relies’ bs. My relatives don’t live in NZ.

      Your presumption and inabity to read is remarkable. Ad hominem attacks don’t make any point beyond intolerance of opinions that differ to your own.

      • @helloanonme. It must be easy to live in a country periodically for 28 years, it’s little wonder you have no empathy for people who have to do suck-it-up full time, winter spring summer and fall. Not everyone can be a fair-weather migrant.

        Maybe when you’ve emigrated for real and made a commitment to the country you’ll be able to speak with authority about what it’s like to be a migrant in NZ?

      • @helloanonme

        You are a bit thin-skinned, as my post wasn’t a direct ad hominem attack on you, but a pointed critique of a common kiwi archetype. To say you are not a “NZ’er” says nothing, and could mean that you are a kiwi living abroad (not a bona fide NZ resident) who comes back to New Zealand to visit, which is quite common, and what I interpreted it to mean. Given the jumbled syntax and diction that many kiwi posters inflict on the readers in their comments, we are frequently left to translate and interpret what was meant. And with all the BS kiwi imposters who pretend to be American or other nationality on this site, the shoe seemed to fit you as well, based on your writing style and kiwi apologist mentality.

        So, if you really are not a kiwi, exactly what are your country of birth and country of residence then? Why have you joined this discussion, and why do you feel it is necessary defend the kiwi culture from complaints about racism? Why do you feel qualified and compelled to instruct others that it takes two to five years to feel at home after immigrating, as if most of us have or had not lived here (or in another foreign land) that long already? And why should we care that you claim to limit heater usage to one hour per day [while staying in Nelson somewhere], as though it were a badge of honour? Does that give you a special bond with the culture, and does it make you feel like an honorary kiwi?

        • Those questions are really easy to answer and again, I would point you to my very first post which mentioned your right to talk about experiences of racism. I looked at both sides by also saying 4 million people are not all the same person. I fully understand anger at racism. I also understand the difference between being angry at the actual racists as opposed to misdirecting that anger at everyone who shares one similar aspect. Furthermore, each bad experience leaves a mark. When we are treated normally, it doesn’t stand out. The hundreds of interactions like getting on a bus, going grocery shopping, walking down the street and being treated normally such as a smile in passing, ‘how are you today?’ at the checkout and so forth are the invisible experiences because of the sheer normality of them. Those are the people who aren’t racist. They don’t come up abd say, ‘hey, I’m not racist. If there’s anything I can do to make you feel normal here, please let me know. ‘ If they did, the very act would in fact ‘other’ you. Balance is having empathy on both sides. It is seeing 4 million individuals rather than ‘those a-holes’ because of a few bad apples. Of course, those bad apples exist. Again, context is essential.

          You’ve been trying to change my position from one of balance and empathy into some extremist position. I’m not taking that bait.

          Who am I?
          First and foremost a human being with a voice no more or lrss valud than anyone else’s.
          Secondly, I have dual citizenship for Malta and Australia which also gives me residency status in NZ and the EU without need for visas.
          Thirdly, length of residency is not limited. My periodic living in NZ has ranged from 1-7 years at a time.

          Now, who are you? What makes your bias that an entire country of 4 million people are a bunch of hateful racists more valid than my opinion that racism exists but is not a ‘kiwi’ problem. More of them are not racist than those who are. Why is your voice more valid than mine?

          Oh, and I don’t need to be an ‘honorary kiwi’ to bond with the land and the culture. I like diversity. I like the differences between people and cultures. I enjoy being given the opportunity to participate and learn. I don’t claim to understand every aspect of cultures that aren’t mine but I do claim a willingness to understand.

            • Good question.

              Another question is: would you consider helloanonme’s posts to be trolling?

              There is so much diversion and misrepresentation and misdirection in its posts that the intent appears to be trolling.

              I could certainly respond, but it would be a waste of time, a waste of space, and a distraction from what this story and its comments are all about.

  56. I spent some time reading the comments here and couldn’t be more disgusted by the attitude. Moving country is always hard, especially when you do it alone. Feelings of not belonging, loneliness and a need for family are normal experiences of moving. It usually takes most people 2-5 years to feel at home in a new country irrespective of which country you’ve come from and which country you’ve moved to. The subtleties of culture are the hardest to adapt to and the hardest to identify. Intonation of words can be the difference between polite and rude. I’ve personally never felt that I have a right to change others cultural ways of being, outside of basic human rights. Those violations need addressing on a world stage. But screaming racism because you don’t feel at home is unfair.

    And sidenote; students not allowed to use heaters during the day – I limit my heater usage to 1 hr per/night maximum when living in NZ (I’m not a NZ’er but live there on and off) because electricity in NZ is extremely expensive. Compare it, and an NZ bill per/month is an Au bill per quarter year, or a US bill per half year.

    There really is no need to demonize all Kiwi’s. It’s not a perfect country but show me one that is, I’d love to ecperience it. It has flaws and it has some racist people. You can certainly talk about your experience of those people and the awfulness of those experiences without tarring all with a highly biased brush.

    • Helloanonme. One of the biggest issues we’ve observed whilst running this site the Kiwis who refuse to accept the problems that migrants have in their country.

      So many Kiwis refuse to believe racism is overt and pervasive and put it down to culture shock, obviously never having experienced it themselves because they’ve been brought up to accept it. And because they have no ‘experience’ of it they refuse to consider it exists. This close-mindedness exudes from your message and suggests that you’ve sought out this site with the sole intention of trolling it.

      You may like the taste of Kool-Aid but don’t expect others to drink from your shallow cup.

  57. Really sad to read comments along the lines of “if you don’t like it then leave and close the door behind you”. If that’s the case then I think we all need to raise awareness globally about the state of affairs for foreigners of a certain hue within NZ. The world’s a big, beautiful place with many places that will welcome you- life’s too short to put up with this type of little-village mentality. Take your hard earned money, heritage and spirit of adventure to a place that will appreciate you. Life is simply too short to live like a 2nd class citizen.

  58. If nz doesn’t want to share their country because migrant workers are stealing their jobs, why bother granting immigrant visas? Why not just deny them all and isolate your country from these migrant workers then you would not have these kind of problems. Your country would just all be yours.

  59. Here is a story to prove my point.

    A young brown/black/yellow dude goes to school, is hardworking ambitious and focused, so he studies hard and gets a degree and a masters and then he looks for job. After some 500/600 application to entry level jobs,he finally managed to secure a position only because the last person who was hired stepped out owing to falsifying his/her CV (was a white NZer), Because of this rare chance / by luck, not merit, this dude finally gets a lowly paid job which would qualify as clerical grade of work. Anyways…..then, when he joins in, he soon becomes evident that the monkeys who run the business in NZ, are barely high school pass.

    The second story is of those monkeys, who mess around all of their student life, do not strive to learn, are basically low iq unmotivated morons, who having had spend their constructive years being wasted on alcohol/party/drugs, aren’t worth any shillings, outside of kiwi wonderland. Such morons, owing to the ‘white only’ woodwork, manage to creep into good positions and due to their monkey bullying and dirty politics, become the decision makers.

    Now, can anybody tell me how can you expect this countries’ businesses to be innovative and global?

    In NZ, 99% of companies have this problem, and you can try to prove me wrong.

    • You see, many of the saddos in New Zealand have a very quaint idea:
      “We hire for attitude and train for skill”.
      The thing is,
      specialised skills … are not “trainable on the job” as the work day … has NO TIME for that.
      Over and over people are pointing out that workplaces in NZ, training hours are not billable hours, and hence – companies WILL NOT train workers.
      Besides that, if people could “learn specialised skills on the job”, why does the university exist?
      In that case, hire a butcher and upskill him to a surgeon, amirite?

      Of course, the other problem with “monkeys at the workplace” … are the people under them who support bad and incompetent leadership.
      Those people … will get blamed for decisions of management, that don’t pan out, and live up to the quote: “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem”.

  60. It is interesting that the teacher didn’t do the reverse role because white students seem to show understanding. I hope the teacher’s intention of doing this role play was genuine.

    Once I asked my daughter’s teacher to bring some ‘racism education’ in the classroom so the kids can be a bit more considerate to others after I learned that a half Maori girl was showing some racist remarks to my daughter who is half Asian. She was about 8 years old.

    One day, my daughter cried as soon as she saw me after school. Apparently, the teacher said God loves everybody and Asian daughter’s who were abandoned at the train station are loved by God as well. (Around that time, there was a newspaper article regarding Chines baby girl abandoned at train station). My daughter was so fearful and at the same time felt sad and relived that I didn’t abandon her because she was an Asian girl.

    I just couldn’t believe this. The teacher wanted to give the kids that God loves everybody equally, but did she have to make this kind example to get her message cross to 8 year old children?

    There were a couple of a bit suspicious actions from her discriminating my daughter or my occasional involvement for school trips which she tried not to involve me. One day she made me follow (drive) the school bus alone while there were enough seats in the bus. Eventually, another teacher who on chance found this out put me in the bus. Anyway, she seems to be so generous and nice with warm smile, but behind that smile, I noticed that kind of covert racism.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9117463/Racism-lesson-hits-nerve

  61. Ever since watching the lord of the rings as a child (biggest promotional plattform for NZ ever) I wanted to go to NZ and even live there. I thought that such beautiful scenery must produce people who are nice, generous and down to earth.

    Just recently I heard about racism towards Asians being a huge issue in NZ. I was born in Germany but I’m of Chinese heritage. When I found this website I was really turned off by this… Of course, politicians seem to make really awful choices. They couldn’t predict the consequences, neither being able to control what was done (calling it the “Asian invasion” makes it also sound uber-racist). But the people who have to hurt others not only verbally just because they are not white, makes it now look like that the people in general there must be awful (so I wouldn’t blame that on the politicians only since they are NZ’s people).

    I really can’t believe a “particularly white society” who believe in God and always (hypocritically, it seems) preach his words, could turn out to be less of what I consider a “modern” human being. Only – they might not be “modern”. People from the Middles-Ages seemed to have the same behavior like people from NZ – But actually you can’t really blame them since they’ve been always on that tiny island, living with food shortage, cold weather and other conditions, without new influences from the world on what it is to be a human nowadays. It’s “survival of the fittest”, of course they are hostile to outsiders.

    It is sad since I really do want to see unpolluted and untouched nature but I don’t want to set one step into such a toxic environment among such toxic people.

    • Alyce, I think New Zealand is still nice place even though I experience covert racism often. I want this country to do better against covert racism. It is still a good place to visit as a tourist and also as an immigrant. Even though you will feel quite isolated here if you move from Europe, simply because it is just so far from Europe.

  62. Being a white, female who has lived in New Zealand all my life. I do believe that New Zealander’s are increasingly getting more racist. As I’ve grown up, I noticed it slightly but its happening more and more. I see it happening all the time and when I try to defend them, they turn on me asking why I would defend immigrants etc.
    The white majority in New Zealand is extremely racist and when they get told that they’re being racist they get frustrated and get angrier. Just because they think that being white is the social norm doesn’t mean you can hate on people of another nationality or skin colour.
    It pisses me off. Even my family is racist and I can’t stand it.
    I am also in an interracial relationship and get shit from people all the time about it. I don’t care what colour skin people are. People need to start basing it on the person themselves rather than physical characteristics like skin colour and eye shape. Grow up New Zealanders.

    If you watch a video on youtube ‘the angry eye – blue eye brown eye experiment’ that is exactly what needs to be done in New Zealand to teach the white majority over here what its like.

  63. I think there is racism on many levels in all countries.
    I am in a situation in New Zealand. Most of my work colleagues are from the Phillipines and sometimes I feel like I am living in CEBU because they constantly talk in their own language including the patients.

  64. You guys are all a bunch of hypocrites. Nz is not too bad for racism, as every one is generally treated the same, with the exception of native Maori who a generally treated better. Sure NZers like every other humans on the planet hold different opinions on othe peoples/races. We however treat everyone the same and give every one equal opportunitys whether in education or the work force. Foreigners can’t complain if we don’t make room In our culture for theirs. The whole point for moving to nz is to intergrate into not nz society not too come and form community’s based around their culture in nz as that in itself could be seen as ‘Racist’. Racist is a very broad term, everybody holds racist views towards cultures and people different from their own to varying degrees. It’s human nature and surely has it’s roots in ancient survival instincts.

    • How old are you? It’s not that we object to having children contribute to this site, it’s just that the rules apply to you the same as everyone else. You’re not in the school yard now. Consider yourself yellow carded. Read the comments guidelines.

    • I know what you mean, but I do not agree with your comment on:

      “Foreigners can’t complain if we don’t make room In our culture for theirs.”

      This website is for the people who experience racism. Here, people can talk about it and complain and vent. And hopefully, we find some solutions or do something to make a better society. Those who suffer, you do not see them. Because they suffer inside.

      You are not ready to understand what these people are talking about here. Please come back when you are ready to listen.

      If you want to know better, you can get married with non Whites and see if what happens to you, your spouse/partner and children.

  65. Funnily enough for me, as a Chinese New Zealander my high school years were the best compared to primary school. My family immigrated to New Zealand when I was 2. My family was poor, the government subsidy was my family had. My father gave up smoking because he couldn’t afford smokes haha.

    The worst events during primary school was when my father used to deliver hot lunch for me at the school. (He was getting a doctorate at the university which is really close by.) And whenever he came, this white kid would jump up and dance around him chanting “Ching-chong china man.” Looking back at this experience, I wonder what kind of upbringing would allow an eleven year old to perform an action. Where were the teachers? haha they quickly rushed off to the staffroom for their coffee. I experienced so much alienation and hazing it wasn’t even funny. Everyday I could sense their revulsion of having to be in the same class as me.

    My mother studied hard to get a electrician’s diploma to support this family. And she’s done well to raise me. In high school it was a fresh start, I remember this group activity on the school field at the start of the year, and a group of guys called out for me to join their group. I was heavily shocked, at first I thought they were talking to someone behind or beside me. As I grew older I met some great people who mentored me and appreciated me for being me. And I quickly became aware I had missed out on associating with people and I knew I had to fix this.

    Last year I became a bouncer. At the age of 19 and weighing in at 110kgs and being 1.9m tall it wasn’t so bad compared to my childhood as a shrimp. Boooooooooooooooooooy did I get a hearty welcome from kiwis at bars. Sometimes kiwis would come up to me and talk to me in broken English. And as soon as I respond, they realize I’ve either grown up here or was born here. Their attitude changes and suddenly there’s some respect. It’s kind of annoying when you get interested stares at “an Asian bouncer”. Now let’s turn to the streets. When I work at the door sometimes, bogans will drive by screaming “gook”. This term was used by American servicemen to reference Vietnamese soldiers. And I think to myself, you don’t know me or have probably ever met me and you’ve already confirmed that you have disgust for me. Simply amazing us New Zealanders.

    As a result of growing up in New Zealand I’ve got more of a British accent than kiwi. My parents always ensured I had Chinese education. This will probably serve me well after I finish my law degree. And I think back to my bullies in primary school. What have these guys benefited from bullying me? Instead it is me who was learnt vocabulary from them, no matter how nasty it is, it’s still something. Will they go on to find a career and do business with other Chinese people? Will they dare to call them Ching-chong china man from across the table with their colleagues surrounding them? I look forward to finishing my degree and I’m currently learning the Swedish language. They at least seem to have a lot more tolerance and autonomy for different cultures.

    • I am so proud of you how you got over your primary school days bullying and discrimination. It would be interesting to know what those kids at that time are doing now and in the future. My teen daughter said “Mum, that’s why we say Asian 5” when she saw Asian doctors at the hospital (after hours). I asked what’s Asian 5. I explained her why some Asian kids do well at school. Most of them are doing just okay.

      Here is the definition form urban dictionary.

      The subjects taken in your VCE years in Victoria – Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Physics, Chemistry, English and fast-track Biology in year 11.

      example:

      I want to do Medicine at Uni

      Oh, you better do the Asian 5


      Hope there will be more Asian doctors, lawyers etc… and more bouncers.
      At least, ‘Asian 5’ is a good prejudice.

      • Just like how most people wouldn’t expect a European to learn fluent Chinese or Japanese within 2-5 years; and utilize their amazing vocational skills in China and Japan, I don’t feel its fair for New Zealanders to expect such speedy progress from immigrants. My parents still don’t speak top notch English today, but they still retain good jobs and pay taxes.

        As a side note I actually failed math in my last year in high school, which is why I won’t be a doctor or engineer any time soon. There was always that sense and longing for justice as a kid I never got. Law has really intrigued me, there was this quote from a kids movie I watched years back called Barnyard. “A strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others.” I didn’t get that help in my youth, but I sure hope I can give it to those who need it after I score my law degree.

        But hey I sure hope your daughter gets through into medicine or something at Otago or Victoria. I’ve got a couple of friends who are doing medicine and they’re all fantastic people, of course they have mentioned forms of racism from time to time, but it’s what you learn and do from the experience not how you despise it.

  66. Intriguing to read all of these posts on this page alone. I am white Australian and went to New Zealand with my family to live, when I was 9. Way back in 1972. I lived there for about 8 or 9 years. I did my best to assimilate into the culture possibly just to be more accepted. I focused so hard on that, I think other areas needing focus in my life, suffered. I spent most of my time with my Maori friends and went to a Maori dominated high school. I was accepted by some of my friends but didn’t ultimately fit in alot of the time. Still tried. I experienced what I felt was prejudice against me being white but a new white family moved into the community we were living in and go figure, they were as popular as anything. (it could be the X factor). It still haunts me to this day but whatever doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger, right? It wasn’t all bad, but I guess you really feel it when you feel not totally accepted. I went back to Australia when 19 and I felt like a foreigner in that city where I was born. Anyway, now I’m here in Sydney and really, we don’t have enough Chinese and Korean people influxing over here!!! Come on people – why aren’t you coming to live in Australia??! Being a human on this planet can be lonely, like a little drop of water in the great big ocean: so much water everywhere, but not a single drop of water to drink. I know there’s a point in there. Hang in there people. One day we will all be accepted. I’m sure there are some maoris that can tell some sad rejected stories too.

    • Australian culture is quite different from New Zealand’s. My son has been both places, and much prefers the Australians as a people, despite having a Kiwi father. They are more intelligent, sunshiny, less resentful, more humorous, more organized, and more proactive.

  67. I was a massive racist growing up in New Zealand… Too young to know any better until I wasn’t. Moved to Australia and then I wised up pretty quick. There is an undercurrent of racism in this part of the world and it’s deeply entrenched within many people who are resistant to societal expectations about tolerance and acceptance. Many are smart enough not to vocalise their opinions too strongly these days, which is why I believe racism has simply become a lot more covert in nature, notwithstanding the ones whose racist rants are captured and subsequently spread on social media.

    The multicultural, cosmopolitan progressives may have to move a little further out of the “melting pot” cities in order to find intolerance in all of its common, ugly ignobility. Ethnic tribalism still rules in a lot of communities and New Zealand is no exception. It flourishes within the indigenous, the multi-generational and the migrant populations all at the same time. Cultural solidarity, safety in numbers and perceiving threats from “others” are natural survival instincts for many who find themselves caught up in an unpredictably large, diverse and mobile world. Four and a half million people spread out on a few islands or twenty three million spread out on another couple will probably concentrate that effect somewhat. Excuses? Reasons? Science? We humans are a complex bunch.

    Family, friends, acquaintances, strangers… No matter the “respect” you may feel for them, do not let them dictate your life with their hate and malice. I still feel shame for remarks I made years ago to those who I was too immature to treat with basic human dignity and attributed slurs against their character on the sole basis of their ethnicity. Racism is a learned behaviour – With dedication and the desire to be a better human, it can be unlearned. A lot of New Zealanders and Australians are either going to figure out a more harmonious way to live through the discarding of maladaptive attitudes or they will simply grow old and bitter, left well alone by the more conscientious portion of our population. I strive to be the former.

    • “…Four and a half million people spread out on a few islands or twenty three million spread out on another couple will probably concentrate that effect somewhat…”

      If I remember right, Germany is only about 90.000 square km larger than NZ with a population of about 80 million people from all kinds of backgrounds…I never felt it being as racist as Australia or NZ…just saying!

  68. “To you whites, like white Americans with your accents, expect NZ to brace you with open arms. NZ is indeed, a racist nation”.
    Embrace with open arms? Hardly, NZer’s are equal opportunity racists, they don’t like Americans very much, either.

  69. OMG, this thread was started in 2010, and it’s still going strong in 2014!

    As a guy of South Korean heritage, who’s started school in NZ, and lived here since, let me give you my perspective.

    “Is NZ racist?”
    – Well, I’ve lived in NZ all my life. I think it’s fair to say that it is ‘racist’ – I felt discrimination, subtle or overt, on numerous occasions, ever since primary school. The posts here seem to agree with my POV.

    Also, relating back to those original Trademe forum posts, yes that is racism, as opposed to discrimination against immigrants – the immigrant Pom is ‘fine’, while the other non-white immigrants have stories of racism in NZ!

    Of course, NZ is part of my life, and I am a Kiwi… and I’ve friends of many nationalities, including everyday NZers. If I am not a Kiwi, then I am nothing else (unfortunately).

    But, I feel like a second class citizen in my own country… from my own counrymen =/ You see, they consider you as another international student from China. And if you speak fluent English like me… who cares, you’re Asian – ‘you don’t belong here’.

    As someone who’s subconsciously ‘pushed away’ my ethnic (South Korean) background, to fit in with the others since 3 years old, and ‘fully accept’ my cultural surroundings (that is, “I am a Kiwi, and nothing else”), I regret not having any connections to South Korea as I am older. (South Korea is a much bigger player in the world, and I want to be part of it. But, I am not Korean anymore.)

    It sucks, but that’s life in NZ. To you other non-whites, consider general NZ ‘racist’, and expect racism at the most unexpected times to leave you frozen and thinking, ‘WTF just happend??’. To you whites, like white Americans with your accents, expect NZ to brace you with open arms. NZ is indeed, a racist nation.

  70. The thing that gets me is: NZ needs the fresh perspective and talent being brought in from the outside [at considerable cost to the migrants], and this valuable experience is being rejected and those who bring it are pilloried.

    • carpentaro,

      Perhaps one day the level of immigration will (like Australia) reach a ‘tipping point’ that will transform NZ’s culture and economy.

        • I’d say that many people would agree that a least some immigrants are using NZ as a back door to Australia, on that assumption, who knows what the effective, intended long-term level of immigration to NZ actually is.

          • I’ve thought long and hard about the NZ>Oz move. One of the only reasons that we became citizens [while maintaining dual, otherwise we wouldn’t have] was so that that SPV option was available to us. If there was no SPV arangement between NZ and Aus. we would not have bothered to do the NZ citizen thing. We were PRs, so all that NZ had to offer was available, so the carrot was OZ.
            So, even though I had not considered not staying in NZ [firstly], I’m thinking of it now and SPV IS a way out.

  71. if nz is racist, its all of our faults. european, maori, pacific islander, chinese, indian.
    im english, irish and maori raised in otara, south auckland by my english mother, I’ve experienced racism on all sides, forgot how times ive called whitey, whiteboy. palagi. then on the flipside, you’d never see me walk through neighborhoods like mount eden, remuera and stuff because i know alot of european new zealanders will look down their noses at me. but i believe in jesus christ and just because someone judges me, doesn’t make it ok for me to judge them. feel nothing but horrible for all the immigrants coming here getting discriminated against, and then again alot of immigrants will only stick to themselves and wont even try to integrate into society. its all our faults, its my fault, its your fault. no group of people is more right than the other or has more preference over the other.

  72. Agree also,, I’m born in NZ,,raised in Melanesia,(TCK),,came back to high school in NZ, southland,, There is a hostility and indifference towards those who don,t conform,,even though you try.. just a very narrow world view,,,,,I.m moving out,,,,but I always loved Queenstown,very diverse population..

  73. Agreed, im half middle eastern & half American, i spent 17 years in Auckland New Zealand, i would say most people i met were very racist, constantly trying to confirm the “in this country we don’t do that and this” and often either being put down for being middle eastern or american, either way at the end thou i tried my hardest to get along and look at the positive side, after 17 years i gave up and came back home to LA.17 years of hard ship i tell you, from high school to adult life, high school was the worst, i mean every day some bully of either pakiha or maori or pacific islander or of the skin head gang back the would gang up and beat the crap of all immigrant kids and tell them go back home, selwyn college it was, we had immigrant kids being stabbed and shot, i got stabbed personally,as for work it doesn’t matter how overqualified you are or how much experience you have if you are a foreigner there is no such thing and growth and promotion or raise, over all, i dono what to tell you there are good and bad every where, but my experience was the worst, new zealand is such a beautiful country but my experience was that they are very close minded, even against the auzis & brits…….

  74. Here is something interesting, if it is filled with Pakehas it is no invasion, it is normal, but if it is filled with non-white it is invasion, even though when Europeans have invaded this country and own it.

    White doubkle standards.

  75. I’m a Filipino-NZ and lived in Auckland for a good 10 years before I relocated here in the US. On my first month, i too experienced racist remarks not just from the Pakehas but from the PI’s as well and so did my family. My parents were working professionals with Masters Degrees that was recognized all over the world but not in NZ. Why not i ask? Is it becuase the quality of life that we deserve had to be adjusted to gradually assimilate us as immigrants into the country? So we as a family had to adjust our lifestyle which is not fair. Why would give someone a job that doesn’t even know how to spell nor graduated their bachelors? Is it because we are immigrants and the only way we could milk them is by hitting them up with technicalities in the system. The progress of actually being able to afford a home, getting a decent job and treatment was very slow. It kinda feels like we were just there to contribute to the taxes and thats it. The student loan system was abused. Allowing immigrant students who are in real dire need (like myself) to get the loan but not qualify to get a daily allowance to support my study. How is that going to work? Bury the student in loans, rack up the interest rate and the hell with your future. Good luck paying them back. After a good fee years, we were starting to get a decent lifestyle. We were able to afford a home and off the Govt. Housing project. Then all of a sudden, my dad was fired from work for unsafe and negligent behavior. My dad received numerous awards for applying safety planning procedures for one of the biggest oil and gas refinery in the world and a simple machine operating a production line screwed that up? BS, he was blamed for someone else’s incompetency because the other guy is a PI.

    My mom on the other hand held accounts for the Govt. of the Philippines and in NZ worked as an accounts receivables clerk, because her masters degree is only equivalent to a certificate. Really? She also lost her job because of downsizing and cant get back into the work force because she was being discriminated not just by her race but by her age as well. The culprits then were Indians because Indians help out their fellow Indians. My older brother who graduated as a nurse on one of the top 100 ranked schools in the world got himself employed as a nursing aid. He then took theNZ Nursing bar exam and passed it in flying colors. Impressive enough that he was the first Filipino that was offered to work for Auckland Hospital at that time.

    Even though racism in NZ greatly affected us, molded us to be better persons, i still considered NZ as my home. We still focused on the good traits and experiences that we had. So i convinced my wife, a doctor and scholar in the Philippines and the US in the field of Cancer Research. She works as a research scientist in the field of nuclear medicine in MEMORIAL SLOAN KEYTERING CANCER RESEARCH (Look it up) to come home with me in NZ AND HOPEFULLY CONSIDER STAYING. Guess what, 3rd day in NZ, walking around the Pakuranga mall, a woman of european decent said, “theres too many fucking asians here”. I quickly turned around and spoke my mind and she immediately realized that she was messing with the wrong person. That ruined a good first impression to the wife because of an ignorant lady speaking her moronic views on immigrants. She should be grateful that my wife was even considering moving there despite the country’s lack of experience and research funding to fight cancer. If that lady knew who she was trying to bully out, I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t say a damn thing.

    I just hope in the future, that the NZ govt. would take a good hard and firm stance against discrimination. Because you are ACTUALLY losing good honest citizens like my older brother and sister. Hope it gets better soon.

  76. I was passing a small town in the evening when it was already dark. I was pulled over by a police officer who asked first question, “Do you have NZ license?” I felt instantly this was a bit funny to be asked ‘NZ’ license, not just ‘license’. I am Asian and NZ citizen. He obviously considered me as ‘foreign’ driver.
    I asked why I was pulled over. He said, “I can stop anybody I want to”. And then he said my speed was 65k in 50k zone. He got my details and then fined me for $120 something like that and than gave me demerit point 20. This was ever that I was pulled over by a police officer in my whole life. I am over 50.
    I was following 2 very big trucks because it was dark and wet day and I didn’t know that area that well and felt safe following the trucks assuming they are going where I was going.

    When I came back home, I filled in an web inquiry for asking photos of speeding camera. The infringement bureau officer wrote to me that they couldn’t provide a photo of the vehicle or the speed at that time because that was speed laser. The [plice officer showed me the machine at that time. It was 65. I read it. But, my question is whether it was me.

    I was just going to pay, even though I had this weird feelings about the police officer, but still tried not to take it as a racial issue. IOn the letter, if I go to court hearing, the officer will come bring the speed limit and vehicle identified. I was wondering how come they could identify it was my vehicle if there was no photo. So, I rang the infringement bureau and talked with the person who wrote to me the letter.

    I asked where the police officer was. From my internet search, the laser can’t be used in a driving car. So he must have been inside of his parked car (bad weather and dark)and used the laser and after that he must have followed me.

    And shockingly, the bureau officer said the report says I took over 3 cars!

    So, I sent a letter today to get the offense document by the police officer to know what her wrote about my offense and also a request for a court hearing. I took over 3 cars? In 50k zone? In a small town? At that time in a darkness when there were not many cars at all and when I was happy to have found trucks that I could follow because I felt safer following them. They were in front of me. The police officer said they were not speeding. Does that make sense? I didn’t feel that they were reducing speed to 50k, if they did, I would have done the same. I honestly didn’t even know that we were passing a small town on the way to Taupo. It was Hunterville at night.

    And the officer didn’t tell me this was a offense that I made.

    I never want to get into this kind of court hearing. Also, I may lose because it will be hard to convince the judge. I am not going to bring the racial issue on the court hearing day at least at the beginning as the police officer will be absolute in denial and defensive and also the others as well including the judge thinking ‘another racial card’.

    What do you think? I am not sure, but I should do it only with facts what can be argued?

    I might go to Citizens advice bureau or community law centre to get some advice. I never took over 3 cars. As I said, I was happy to follow other cars as the weather was not good, dark and unknown area for me and there was no urgent reason that I took over 3 cars in a 50k zone. This seems absolute lie to me. Unless he mistook my car over someone else’.

    Anyway, that’s the reason that I decided to defend myself because it is a pure lie that I took over 3 cars at night in a strange town that I don’t know. Even on the way back from Taupo during the daylight, I didn’t take over any cars as others were faster than me anyway.

    Why wasn’t I told at that time If I did when I asked him what was the reason? I also found that from US or UK site that you have to be followed for some distance to issue a speeding ticket by laser. Haven’t found about NZ, yet, though, I guess there would be a similar rule for the police officers.

    Anyway, I think this is serious. This kind of thing, if it happens in the society like this, could we trust police? Of course, I want to trust the police and there are many good police officers, but like in retail sector, maybe public servant sectors are racist as well? The statistic shows that Asian people feel more racism in public sector, but I haven’t had that much encounters with them so far. It was more with shop experiences.

    Has anybody have similar experience? Police do not have to provide any evidence that you violate traffic offense. (no photo, no speed record) So, basically whoever they want, they can get him/her. How convenient! How dangerous! What is my right?

    From my experience with this incident, the laser that police use should be abolished. Unless it identifies the vehicle and speed.

  77. I was going to make a peace with myself about racism as Mary here said. ” Don’t sweat the small stuff.”. Yes, It hurts as Maud Grant said in her comment and many others. Even Opera Winfrey faces racism. It happens everywhere. However, if these small stuff hurts so many minority people, shouldn’t we try to make a better society? NZ has got a chance to do that. I hope. How about we make a TV advertisement for these incidents commented on this site sponsored by human right commission, AsiaNZ orginasation, Maori and other organisation or government level to make a better society. There are too many silent sufferers. We shouldn’t forget about high school or even primary school kids. What happens at school? Name callings, better treatment for white kids etc.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2392778/Oprah-Winfrey-insists-WAS-victim-racism-Swiss-store-nearly-called-Jennifer-Aniston-tell-her.html

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oprah-winfrey-racism-story-is-604351

    typical denial, in one article, The managers said it was ‘misunderstanding’ , the staff was Italian and there was a language barrier. She wouldn’t have been employed in the first place if her English wasn’t good enough.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2391880/Oprahs-racist-handbag-Swiss-store-owner-brands-star-sensitive.html

    Anyway, today’s my real story follows since it is too long in one post.

  78. I’m a New Zealand Maori an yes some people are racist i admit but that doesn’t mean all of New Zealand citizens are racist its just an individual thing that some people do that makes other foreigners think that New Zealand is a racist country maybe you came across the wrong people but New Zealand is not bad yes crimes etc happens here but you see that happening everywhere not just here

  79. i am holding hk passport I planned to visit New Zeland but to be frank the world worst Immigration they don’t know who is right and who is wrong only doing paper work if they want so long interview they have to have to check from with our immigration our records they given me visa then refuse and put cancled chop which is really annoying and bad experience .
    They repeated same question 20 times very bad officer very bad manner they totally they r racist

  80. Oh, no, Admin, it is not Kiwis who can’t get benefits in Australia who are buggering off whence they came. It is the ones who realised that New Zealand was the “better country”.
    And Judge? “But I cant apply for all of them because I am not a Maori”? Marry into a Maori clan, or a parent does, or get a clan to adopt you as an honorary member, even if you are not blood-Maori. I know people who (ridiculously, because in so doing they shove out “real” blood Maoris) have gotten Uni grants that way.

    • If NZ were the “better country” why did they leave in the first place?

      Are you saying they return to NZ because they don’t get special consideration for being Maori (ie. benefits) in Australia?

      • was being sarcastic about better country, and sorry, that didn’t convey…one reason some of them do go back is because of special treatment arrangements, however, yes.

    • I know people who (ridiculously, because in so doing they shove out “real” blood Maoris) have gotten Uni grants that way.
      You know, the funny thing about this “getting University grants” business, is:
      it doesn’t mean anything if the recipient is too stupid to graduate, or, even worse – doesn’t even try and drops out halfway.

      At this point in time I’m aware of a journalism student in Whitiera AND an NZ First Director, Chairperson for Mana Electorate …
      that just couldn’t gain their mass communication and law qualifications respectively,
      that were given grants. They both dropped out.

      I wonder if the tribes will be seeking compensation from their members that seem to be defrauding them in this way.

  81. How can some New Zealander’s complain about foreigners making NZ their home when most of them moved to Australia, in 1989 there were 280,200 New Zealander’s living in Australia that then by 2009 there was 529,.200 ,they dont like their own country & leave to come here but dont want people from other countries to live there..Just saying..

    • And it’s the ‘failed in Australia’ Kiwis that are returning home (mostly because they can’t claim benefits in Australia when they become unemployed) sucks to be a taxpayer, or first time home buyer, in NZ huh?

      • Yes, and considering the probability of a recession in Oz, there’s the possibility of many more ‘failed in Australia’ Kiwis returning home and relying on welfare.

  82. NZ is a racist country and the comments by Judge basically cover a few of the reasons why. I left NZ some 30 years ago for a better life in Australia,it was a wise move. I returned to NZ on a number of occasions to visit family and because I now speak with an Australian accent I copped a lot of garbage that was not necessary , some of the rubbish was portrayed as humour but it really showed me the massive chip on the shoulder a lot of my fellow New Zealand compatriots. New Zealand is not the warm friendly place I grew up in .The radical views of vocal minorities have spoiled this once beautiful peaceful place.How someone can try to claim the wind as belonging to them after also claiming the sea bed highlights the massive problem NZ faces in the future.The claims will never end , they will never be finally settled because its not in the interests of the industry that support the claims to get them settled once and for all. In the future the claims will become even more outlandish and create huge division and resentment within NZ society . The continuing money grabbing on these claims is like a cancer….it is gradually killing the once lucky country and perpetuating generation after generation of so called victims.NZ is a land of many peoples and no special privilege should be afforded to any one group on the grounds of race …..to do so is racist and creating a huge divide.

  83. We live in a racist country , few years ago it was class systems ,when class system faded , racism popped up , it can be eliminated only when people learn to respect one another .. What a pity ..

  84. New Zealand is a very racist country.
    We have two separate electoral roles(registering to vote) here. I only have the choice to register on one off those. I do not get to chose, as some New Zealand’s do, because I am not a Maori .
    We have a department of Maori Affairs, payed for by all New Zealand tax payers.
    If I went to this department to get help for myself or my family, they would refuse because I am not a Maori.
    There are lots of scholarships available in New Zealand to help students. But I cant apply for all of them because I am not a Maori.
    If I was a really good rugby player, I could play for lots of teams around New Zealand. Except for the New Zealand Maori team, because I am not a Maori.

  85. The only solution is to move to Australia, I did it and found happiness here, I was very very unhappy in NZ, mainly due to open Racism at Work and Society….OK, I admit….there is some Racism here in Australia too, but nowhere near as much as NZ. The weather here is perfect, and the Wages are so high that Racism rarely crosses ones mind. I am loving it here, and believe it or not, these Kiwis here are indeed at their “best” behaviour in Australia, win win really……

  86. ACT party ‘colourful character’ and all round not very nice guy Clint Heine despises the English from the comfort of his ivory tower in England, quite the angry one.

  87. To American’s credit it doesn’t have state sanctioned racism and call itself bi-cultural like New Zealand does. Tough luck if your first language isn’t British English or te reo Maori and you want to live in a meritocratic, multicultural society.

    • It’s also tough luck if you happen to be Asian, without a “Christian” first name, speak English fluently as a first language (have a certification from a UK examination body to prove that … which KIWIS found unbelievable, to the extent of making me sign a waiver to the effect “you will not hold the university responsible if your grasp of the English language results in having to retake papers”), have a proper education in a skills shortage area and speak up against real thoughtless racism that seems to permeate many levels of society in NZ.
      As an example, outside the university library, was a note on the noticeboard “gooks go home” … that the librarians WHO WORKED THERE, claimed to not have seen despite it being up for some time.
      Also shameful … was the attitude of the students both domestic AND international, that didn’t seem fit to call out that casual racism.
      How do I know about that? I called it out.

      And to end on a funny note:
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/10052680/Uni-hikes-English-requirements
      Haha, looks like the domestic school leavers … need to learn how to articulate themselves in English.

  88. reading this reminds me of america. we have racists bosses, redneck land and building owners, “mexican” invasion as the new englands in america call native people now. same situation done to the brown people and black people there and here. i feel you in the usa. alot of us do.

    • Have you ever lived outside the US for three years or more? I seriously doubt it.

      The US’s (and Americans’) primary disease is one of self-destruction, where everyone is always filled with hate towards the opposing party, religion or race. It is driven by the media and by big organisations with political agendas – often with the funding and support of foreign interests.

      Here are but a few examples of what isn’t the same in NZ as compared to the US:

      You can move almost anywhere in New Zealand and you still face the same ugly cultural mindset and social problems. In the US, you can move to a different suburb, city or state and change your life. Don’t like being a black man in Mississippi? Or a white woman in Atlanta? Or an Indian in Dallas? There are 49 other states and hundreds of real cities to choose from as alternatives.

      In New Zealand, there are no real laws, private watchdog groups, or even government entities that will protect your rights. They are mostly for show, and tend to suppress or deter complaints. At best, organisations like the Privacy Commission, Ombudsman, Health and Disability Commission, Justice system, and the like are apologists for the system – or totally impotent. In the US, there is the ACLU, EFF, and any number of private or even public organisations, which, despite hard economic times, still hold the government accountable. In New Zealand, you are either part of the system, or you are against it. If you are against it, good luck, even Kim Dotcom’s millions won’t help you unless you are very well-connected (and kiwi). If someone rapes and kills your wife in New Zealand, they may only get three years in prison, or even less; in the US, you can shoot the mofo in many states in self defense. While that can lead to real travesties like the Trayvon Martin case, at least you won’t get a prison sentence for shooting in self defence (but not actually hitting) at a machete-wielding crazy person who tries to rob your small dairy (aka convenience store), as almost happened in Auckland a few years ago.

      There are many other examples, but I suggest you read the posts on this site and elsewhere (like expatexposeed.com) from people who actually live here (or did previously) before you make uninformed comparisons.

    • @melanin:

      Actually, after re-reading your post a couple times, I doubt you are (or have ever been) in America.

      Your seem to be trying to imitate bad American English, but it sounds fake to me.

  89. The truth of the matter is that New Zealand will never change, until and unless they let go of this false notion of ‘ethinical kiwiness’ & self fulfilling notion of ‘most blessed state’,which is akin to and upon the same level plane as that of some of the most notorious states like ‘Israel’, and ‘Saudi Arabia’.

    NZ, as a nation state is not too far behind them, however, this country has shrouded itself into a false facade of lucrativeness for the would be migrants owing to its ‘Anglo Saxon imperialistic past’. Ideologically the foundation of this state of New Zealand is not to far off from Zionism driven Israel or Wahhabi extremists of Saudi Arabia.This very cement of extremism and racial supremacy makes these people extremists, A migrant, especially of a darker race here is automatically considered as ‘inferior’, irrespective of his personal capacities and achievements.

    Being an Indian, i have faced this ‘generalization’ again and again.NZ Sheeple have came-up to me asking me about ‘Bollywood and Butter Chicken’, in their vile monotonous accent and pathetic English. Probably that’s all they know all about India and probably they don’t know that the people of the world have long ago start to forego of the idea of the ‘Nation State’. We live in a world, which is one, and we breathe the same air which had been breathed by others. Our identities is not limited to the color or our skin, or the country we were born into.

    The only solution to NZ’s problem is to allow as many asian migrants as possible and out-reproduce white bogans kiwis .This is happening in Auckland, and should happen in other parts too. The white supremacists have a choice to integrate or to succumb, because last time i checked one in four NZer was born abroad.

  90. I’m a 53 year old Maori female, middle class, educated and well travelled. When I leave NZ I also leave behind the daily, unspoken racism I encounter socially and professionally. It still hurts every time I am in a shop ( I can be dressed in a business suit and it still happens) and a white woman, usually middle aged comes to the counter to be served AFTER me and uses her body language to sideline me, forcing the shop assistant, who knows that I was first to have to ask, ” who was first” ? In an apologetic tone. I speak up, saying “I was” and the white customer refuses to look at me, or acknowledge me in any way, as if I am invisible. Why do I then feel uncomfortable for saying, “I was first”. She is annoyed with me, that I didn’t bow to her racist expectations of how she should be treated.
    NZ is racist, this does not happen when I travel. Thanks to the students for talking about this.

    • Maud,

      If I’m you I will not support the shop & just walk to other shop which were not toward racist. We are a customer to give them sales we have the right to spend our money wisely.

      I’m also sad to hear about your comment since you are Maori in nz, for a business service industry no matter what race you are they still need to provide their best service to every customer even if the customer are not purchase at the time but you were never know he/she will coming back to your shop and look for you to purchase in their next visit.

      I remember as well when I was attend a exhibition in Singapore on behalf of the company I work under export customer service, what we need to do was stand whole day on the exhibition give out flyer and broucher plus take down all the customer details when ever I service them. I notice there one old man wearing a technician cloths very dirty but walk with one young guy the guy wear executive suit when ever he go to the shop he ask question all the exhibitor not attend to him and straight answer the young man which was with him.
      He was at my next booth I go out and pass my company broucher to him and bring him in to introduce our factory product to him plus give him a little goody. He immediate talk Vietnamese call the young guy and the young guy run over to our store and ask the young guy take my name card.
      After the exhibition over he place a container order from me and you know what he is the boss of the company. The moral is telling us do not look down on people or races you were not know who are they. It’s sad that nz was like in local market but in internationally you can’t to do otherwise you can’t even get a customer.

      I hope you will not treated again on your next shopping or even in work will be treat equally. Fighting.

  91. Most of you are sweating the small stuff. Racism is when you dislike someone for the color of his/her skin. Bias is when you disagree with morals, ethics, beliefs, policies, rules & the like. Comments or opinions made about how someone behaves, looks, acts etc is not worth personalising or crying over. It doesn’t matter which part of the world you will find yourself you will always witness someone expressing his/her opinion. Its a free world. We are free to speak how we think. However, when you are confronted by someone who says they hate you for the color of your skin, then you have a racial problem in your hands. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Save your energy for a work out.

  92. While a few of people here do not have a dismissive attitude towards ‘immigrants’, their deep seated disaproval is quite evident. Technically, we are all immigrants. There are certain cultural idiosyncrasies which need to be respected and unfortunately I have seen a lot of immigrants disregarding them.
    Being an Indian I came to see how unpopular and generalized we were. It is true that I have seen my people ‘ape-ing’ the culture here and I find it unfair. But to come to the conclusion that all Indians behave and think the same way is sickening.
    However, having said that, I’d like to express that there is a flip-side to this discussion on racism. No one and absolutely no one in this degrading society we are proud to be a part of has a right to question, judge and condescend upon anyone.
    Progressive societies do not behave this way. Anyone has the right to go anywhere (unless you harm people directly). Racism and dismissive behavior are indicators of the slow rate of societal growth. It is a vicious cycle. Trust me on that. I have heard of ‘cocky’ Kiwis going to Australia and and being looked down upon there.
    An alien invasion/apocalypse which breaks down the fabric of the society is just wishful thinking. If I get denied entry into a club because I am drunk/misbehaving, it is correct. If a girl ignores me on a dating site because I am not treating her right, it is correct. Not because I am an Indian.
    So to put an end to this bickering, I will go to any country I want, get the best job I can and if I can do the aforementioned without harming a person physically or making things unpleasant, you can, to put it, swallow your pride and accept it.

  93. Unbelievable. Is this not the same country that protested to play rugby against South Africa in 81 because of racism

    • Not that unbelievable. At the time it was the only country that would play rugby against a South Africa: it welched on the Gleneagles agreement, other countries didn’t and they boycotted sport with SA.

      New Zealand reneged on the Gleneagles Agreement http://e2nz.org/2013/12/16/3news-asks-is-new-zealand-a-racist-country-yes-just-as-bad-as-south-africa/

      In 1981 New Zealand was the only country to allow the apartheid regime of South Africa to play rugby with it, in what became known as the Rebel Tour. The tour was in direct contravention of the Gleneagles Agreement, ratified by New Zealand in 1977.

      The Gleneagles Agreement arose after the public outrage at the New Zealand All Blacks tour of South Africa in 1976, causing 28 countries to protest the tour and boycott the 1976 Olympics in Montreal. (NZ won no medals at that games).

      Present Prime Minister John Key was quoted around the world as having no opinion on the 1981 rebel tour which divided his country, and conveniently ‘forgot’ his stance on it on a number of occasions . This has caused him to be dubbed “amnesic” and castigated internationally for not including any anti-tour representatives in the delegation to the recent Nelson Mandela memorial and funeral.

  94. We are all human beings, we all want the same thing…to be happy! Who cares! Good hearts are what matters more than anything in the world.

    • It’s bad world, not only for the ones committing the unspeakable but more over for those who deliberately get blinded by staring into the full sun…….

  95. Why do you people want to come to NZ to live. Do you not want to stay in your country and fight against your governments and your eval country treatment and non concerning for your health safety and well being. Are you cowards in your country and cowards when you come to the land of real men. We make all blacks here. Have you chosen the right country to run to.

    • Obviously the solution is for other countries to make their own all blacks.

      Please can you give our readers a link where they can download the data file for their 3D printers. How many do you recommend they print off, enough to put on a decent Haka perhaps or will a mating pair suffice?

      Many thanks.

      • The distinct stench of bigotry here is confirming and validating the sheer endless list of stories of hatred in New Zealand, innit……?

  96. Yep! You’re right in a way. It’s not so much from a people perspective, because there are a vast majority of us who will accept others cultures. It goes deeper than that, it’s more political. Lets micro-study the Maori from a political perspective. Have you seen the youth drinking culture ad campaign, the one with the ghost chips and Monica thinks he’s dumb type shit?

    Everyone in that ad is Maori:

    Can we safely assume Maori are the target audience or do we assume only Maori have drinking issues and where are the other races? Are the government discouraging race relationships within the new generation of Maori youth?

    In the ad the main character spurts out a sentence of supposedly intellectual dialect.

    Do we assume because he is the only individual who made the right decision in stopping his friend from driving intoxicated, he has advanced in intelligence? Or are we really seeing one educated Maori out of a vast majority? Why is he the only person who has the capability to string together a coherent sentence while the rest have Neanderthal personas?

    It’s simply or government placing a stereotype over the heads of Maori youth culture. They must have been ROFL’ing over this ad during happy hour at the beehive.

  97. This morning Dominion newspaper reporting Lidia Ko (golfer) regarding funding, tax etc…

    If she has done anything wrong, she should pay. But, the article says previously famous golfer also got fund from tax payer and etc… So, the article doesn’t pin point that it is Lidia Ko alone, but the harm is already done.

    So, my feeling about this article stems from racism. Lidia Ko’s golf association should back her up strongly otherwise it will lead all the question regarding sports player, their tax pay, but it is shame people will remember Lidia Ko first.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/9929027/Lydia-Ko-the-pro-asks-the-taxpayer-to-chip-in

    By doing this, Lidia Ko’s image is tarnished and people associate with “Asians” do bad things whether Lidia Ko’s manager or accountant did something illegal or not, the result of this report already made Lidia Ko bad enough.

    When she was doing well, I noticed that she didn’t get much attention from media and read someone mentioning that on dominion post.

  98. I am a Malaysian Chinese and will be touching down in Auckland in several months time, and this forum really caught my attention.

    Us Malaysian Chinese are being oppressed by the ruling Malay since 1957, unequal rights since birth, double standard citizenship, Television press conference with ministers asking us Chinese to go back to where we came from, Chinese population were being threatened with
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_May_incident_%28Malaysia%29

    and the list goes on.

    I am curious how i would cope with the racism issue in New Zealand, shall report back several months after i touched down.

  99. This is not unique to New Zealand , many countries where there is massive unnecessary immigration suffer from the same problem.
    The additional problem is of integration and concentration and is underestimated by all governments and NGO’s .
    Immigration is desirable for many countries , but the quantity of immigrants and quality are the important factors.
    As can be seen in many European style countries there is very little real integration by immigrants and this creates tensions . Immigrants should be required to integrate into local culture , and until this is included in immigration legislation , the problem will remain

    • Every time when I see people asking Asians to be more integrated into the society, I want to ask them. “Do you really want Asians to be in your community?” “Have you tried to integrate them into your community, clubs etc…?” ” Have you welcomed them as much as you do to people from Britain and other parts of Europe?” Or “Have you just ignored them long enough till they give up integrating into the society and then you blame them not making an effort to integrate?”

      Of course, I know many Asians who are afraid of speaking English and stay in their church community to get help – psychological and practical. But, also many Asians tried to integrated this society, but my question is really, “Did you welcome them?”

      • I agree,,,in general white NZ are not hospitable towards foreigners,,,they have know idea what its like to immigrate.

  100. After read this post, reminds me some of the old memory.

    I was once were a international student at NZ,auckland,Takapuna high school.

    And i almost have not speak english for a 1st language more than 10 years(so fogive my poor english ,and cause may sounds naive,get my point is engough anyway,heh),since i went back to my home country China.

    read this post is poroboly because recent heard a chinese news about racist(a yong immgrent been bet up etc) in NZ,few days ago.

    this reminds me what i have went through in NZ.

    for honest,if i would comment about it, i would say, every where has good people and bad people,if you dont want 100% getting racist, the best way is stay at your home born land,instead of leave her.

    and,once i were in NZ,i hd met alot friends, with many races, chinese,
    kiwis,koreans,japanese,Thailanders Irani etc.I got say, it was good memory more than bad, i liked the country(NZ).

    and of course to the title, i had been incountered racsim(almost at 1st year when i almost could’t spoke english,especialsy back then, the evreiment were way more less internaional student or asian race around with i guess),and wathched some others fact my self.

    the racist action is no need to talk about too much since everybody could imagine or heard about they all about the same kind anyway.

    so from what i had overcome,here is the selution

    i had come up long ago,people wana earn respect ?

    some times not just from respest the others,some times also from you are stronger, this is maybe a culture thing, some people respect smarter, some respect higher morality, and some respect more powerful or better skill higher rank ,self attractive etc.the only real reason(racsm) to a single person,is bacuse your need to “leve up”your self in some aspect,instead of do nothing and complain. this is why even if you stay in your totally same race home land, there always pyramid phenomenon any way.

    Actully indeeper look at this sort of problem(new racism condtion?), it is the immigration cause the problem,wana solve this kind of social problem relise on single person or few been abused people is misson impossible,and also immigration is big part of NZ encomni, so maybe(i d say maybe) NZ goverment maybe should give more a bit on publicize to lubricate this kind of problem, make the country even better at all various aspects.

    and btw peter jackson’s lord of the rings series is pretty nice,it’s new part is coming soon at china cinema,alot of chinese people like it in here.

    some high school friend didnt contect for a long time, over globel anyway good luck to you all! :)

  101. Seemingly true enough. Growing up in NZ with an Asian ethnicity, in a school with a mixed culture (Whites, Asians, Maoris) I did receive some rather offensive comments from my ‘fellow school pupils’. One of my Primary teachers was partially Pasifika/Maori (did not know for sure and good riddance), and she would always lecture me harder than some other kids.
    There is a special class in my school just for the Pasifika kids, and I swear, is there really hope for them? When we had to play against the other classes for a school sports event, me and my class had to go up against one of the more ‘mainstream’ classes, usually filled with somewhat ‘intelligent’ Pasifikas. At one point, a girl threw her phone down just because of the game, and her friends all yell and complain whenever we get a point.
    Hah, that doesn’t stop there. If you were to take Maori as an option, you’d get far more credits than other subjects (around 40, I think). And then for the other subjects, you’d better get to work.

    Sure, they did come to NZ first and lived on the land which wasn’t known as ‘China’ back then, but why do they act like they actually own the whole bloody place? Obviously they abused their massive physical bodies and looked like they were about to murder everyone. In some suburbs/shops, you’d see a ton of these people there, due to their financial issues or unemployment, as they get fed off from the government. And– excuse me –they provide free food to the Maori kids whose parents did not pack lunch.

    I’ve heard that in the city, both whites and Maori’s always call out to elderly Asian men/women. They toss rubbish at them, and say offensive things. Since they couldn’t do anything about it, these helpless people have no choice but to run away. The police also gives them a gentler warning compared to the ones they give Asians.

    Observing my surroundings in NZ for current lifetime, I can say that is it a racist country. Both whites and Maoris. We had to embrace their offensive behaviour, and watch as the government gives them their free ‘helpful’ proportions to buy their drugs or KFC or whatever the **** they can afford. The only good thing about NZ would probably be the environment. Other than that, it probably sucks shit.

  102. as a university student , truly , they r racist !!! and they r stupid , fooled by them own government but they think Asia is shit ! they admire British with no reason. As long as u can from UK, u r loyalty. how damn they r … I regret to came and study here, US is much better than u guies. racist country, I wish Chinese government companies stop put money here, students stop came here and study. let them keep their pool style. I spend at least 45000 dollars here, but what I been treated is shit … I don’t like NZ except the environment. People here r shit

  103. Just got back from New Zealand. I live in New York and, for the record, I am African American. My grandmother had to flee her homeland and had to watch the secret police kill a lot of her friends and family so I understand respecting culture…….especially a culture people died to protect. I was there because my wife was doing the Ironman New Zealand race and my 3 year old daughter hasn’t missed a race since she was born. My family and I were waiting to park our rental car when another car pulled up, and the young Maori male (not a man, he has a lot of growing up to do) pulled up. Obviously upset over the space, he decided to call me a “fag!, fucking foreigner!, boy!, nigger!…..” and on and on….He made it very clear he wanted me to “go back to where I came from!!”…..I have heard this kind of hate before, nothing new there, and there was nothing new about the hateful little coward backing down when I challenged his hate……..you brought shame to your family name and dishonored yourself that day, little man, when you grow up, you will realize what that means……..You can be proud of who you are, where you come from, the tribal blood in your veins WITHOUT hating others. From one minority to another, educate yourself. Don’t just be a stereotype, and by the way, What do you think all those native New Zealanders were thinking when they witnessed your shame? I guess you paid for those tattoos. It is a shame you didn’t earn them. Maybe then you would have respected them and their meaning.

  104. As a Relief/Substitute Primary School Teacher I encounter racism on a daily basis from Maori students. I have found Maori students to be deliberately disruptive, mean, nasty and racist to European, Asian, Indian and other ethnic groups!
    There was a lovely Asian girl at a school where I taught last year, from the Philippines, a top student, an extremely diligent worker in the classroom, who became so depressed by the Maori and Island girls negative behaviour toward her that she used to just lay out on one of the benches outside her classroom and cover her face every morning tea and lunch time while I was there.
    The disgusting thing was that her European teacher refused to acknowledge there was a problem whenever I mentioned it. That poor girl lived a life of hell at school and every time I relieved/substituted at that school I could see she was becoming more and more depressed. Those Maori and Island girls never let up on her. It was disgusting! I’ve noticed that the Maori and Island girls act all tough and bully others to cover their own feelings of inferiority. I asked these particular bullies why they were like this and their answer was, “Because we are poor, Mister,” and then they laughed in that mean Maori/Island way. I can’t stand them and I hate teaching most of them. They are anti everything and refuse to learn at school but are happy to leave at sixteen, have a baby that the state will support and live on the dole for the rest of their lives. It is hardly any wonder the New Zealander’s of European origin hate the Maori, I know I can’t stand them!
    I realise that the hate these Maori students have has been encouraged by their parents who hate everyone they see as ‘in authority,’ and everything derived from the white culture except for the life the state gives them to free load for their entire life.
    In my opinion, Maori need to segregate themselves entirely from the rest of New Zealand and live in their own generated squalor. Then they might appreciate the life that the other hard working cultures within New Zealand provide for them. The world needs to realise what a racist country New Zealand really is. If I was an Asian parent from overseas I would never send my child here to be schooled, especially in an area where there is a high Maori population. They will make your child’s life hell on earth!

    • I wonder why the ‘white’ teacher is not doing anything for the Asian girl? Could it be the teacher is a secret ‘racist’ and refuse to help her? It would be interesting if the teacher helps others in similar situation. e.g. white girl bullied by others

      • B, to answer your question, ‘I wonder why the ‘white’ teacher is not doing anything for the Asian girl?’ From my observations and talking to other teachers at the school it was this particular teachers behaviour management strategy to align herself with the bullies/difficult members of her classroom to make her life in the classroom easier. Sort of like the ancient Roman axiom: keep your friends close but your enemies closer mentality. she favored these students and could see no wrong in their behaviour toward the Asian girl. In my opinion she failed in her duty. I don’t think this teacher would think she was being racist, rather, pragmatic in the way she managed her class. However, it is a teachers responsibility to ensure the welfare of every child in his/her classroom. It was doubly shocking for the fact that this woman was the Deputy Principal! Every time I think of what happened to this girl it angers me that nothing was done to support her. I know I should have done more myself. Being just a reliever/substitute teacher my voice in the schools is barely considered by the hierarchy that exists. however, that is just an excuse on my part and I know I should have done more to help her. I wish now that I did.

  105. Wow! Dropped in on this forum by chance and I see a whole bunch of personal experiences generalized and blown-up for good measure to paint the whole population of a country grey&black (intended!)

    Says a lot about New Zealand government policy makers’ planning and errors in judgment!

    Let me explain:

    The root cause of ‘intolerance’ (which is what hateful racist behavior patterns that caused most of these posts here are) is not addressed. You are not racist when you acknowledge the ‘differentness’ of another person and allot them the same measure of consideration and respect as you would any other human being. You don’t have to carry the burden of the hypocritical lie that we are all the same. No we are not! Some of us are healthier, some sicker, some poor, some rich, some industrious, some lazy, some cat-lovers, some dog-lovers, some compassionate, some a**holes! And then the same individual can be all of the above at different times in his/her life – depending on circumstance.

    As a society, humans are as ‘insecure’ as any dog with a bone (very few have the self-assurance of a super-evolved, enlightened world citizen) that battles constantly for the “me & mine” in increasingly concentric circles of ownership -self, family, neighborhood, tribe, kind, skin, state, country and (for any UFO buffs out there) species! So, it is natural for an immigrant to experience the insecure reactions of a ‘majority’ population that doesn’t want you in any one of its circles – particularly if you are eating up a share of that pie!

    So, if this is pretty much the state of affairs how can society function – you ask? This is a question that in older times was answered by invasions, battles and genocides. But in evolving global politics, we would see government planners and strategy builders designing policies around education and jobs that allow for a slow but steady assimilation of foreign resources. Immigrants are undeniably healthy for a society’s economic present and future – especially an aging one. Because GDP and prosperity of a nation are linked to production and optimum utilization of resources, the market shakes down job-seekers and entrepreneurs in the simple manner of the best trained, best educated, hard-working, eager and hungry ones getting the better piece of the economic pie while the rest settle for the smaller pieces until finally there’s a unlucky few left at the bottom in underemployed or unemployed category.

    When this happens in an environment that is controlled and massaged in by policies that spreads out the influx in an even manner by advertising and encouraging industries in far flung places to hire immigrant help by tax rebates etc or with constant education to the masses on how the influx is helpful to the society, there is far less friction generated by immigration until a stasis is reached. This is the least that a government that benefits from immigration should be doing!

    Also, there is a stage in immigration flow where the demographics is so varied that no one group dominates which breaks this shackle of ‘your kind’ vs ‘my kind’… and just boils down to ‘you’ vs ‘me’… which is the universal and much more manageable (low-angst) law of the land. This is the stage of immigrant balance with only slight ripples of periodic adjustments. All stages before this balance is reached will be filled with ‘discriminatory’ experiences. I’m an assimilated East Indian in Toronto. I’m lucky to now thrive in an immigrant environment where the balance of power in terms of sheer numbers does not rest with any one ethnic group. All are equally engaged in eking out a living with the equality assigned by the market, not at the whim of an insecure minority. It wasn’t a bed of roses when I was new and it might still not be for the culturally-challenged or the job-market underachievers, but as my ability to work with the society grew, the better I became at coping with the few bad eggs.

    Newbies to New Zealand, you could write to your local politicians and suggest that they lobby to spend some money in educating the masses and give benefits to companies to open up in different cities/towns and hire new-comers.
    Be gentle in your response to typical hateful discrimination; as much as possible avoid situations that get you there.
    Seek out locals that are friendly.
    Do good to your society and then have media cover that goodness in a good way (volunteer for a cause and then write to a local daily that you’re doing it)
    Be confident in your ‘differentness’ while encouraging others in their ‘differentness’.

    Above all, believe that it is just a temporary natural phase of imbalance and you just happen to that pioneer in a change towards the good. Carry that leadership quality with you!

      • E2NZ :
        John, have you ever lived in New Zealand?

        I would say he has not, given what he thinks about the problems here and the possible solutions.

        I’d write to the politicians but most of them are borderline illiterate. They’d just call me a bitch front bum or if my complaint reached the Prime Minister he might tell me my opinion was “so gay”. This ain’t Canada dude.

        Although the fact that I want to call this poster who is only trying to help a wanker for doing so may mean I’ve been here too long myself.

        • His comment was very blue sky wasn’t it.

          If only the solution was as simple as he believes. Maybe that’s the problem with New Zealand – there isn’t one?

          • Bingo, E2NZ! If you expect a quick-fix or even a solution to human insecurity (tribal mentality) at a personal level… dream on! That surely would be overly optimistic.

            But we’re talking about adjusting (over time) the social norm to one of tolerance and acceptance. I’m talking about a society-based solution starting with the individual having the courage to do something positive about a problem…. controlling the controllable and managing/coping with the rest.

            No, I haven’t been to NZ but was exploring my options of moving there… that’s when I came across this forum!

            • Its very obvious that you’ve never been to New Zealand.

              If you had you’d know that many migrants approach it with the exactly the same open mindedness you displayed in your first comment. They then spend months/years wondering what was wrong with them because they couldn’t make it work.

              The lucky view eventually realise its not them, its the country.

              How fortunate for you, you came across this site whilst doing your research.

              Please read more of our Migrant Tales and posts from New Zealanders and you’ll see there is very little to differentiate them. What does that tell you?

  106. Was this remark from someone in auckland because they need to visit the smaller place in new zealand were the kiwi attitude is still aliveinstead of claiming were geting more racist

  107. I’m glad i left that piece of shit bogan scum filled country. The majority of the inhabitants are shallow minded fucks who won’t last a second living outside of their shit hole country. I swear, man, any more longer in living there I’d probably murder some them scumbags out of sheer fucking hate. God fuck I hate nz

  108. I am so sick of being treated as a second citizen by some people. Is there a ‘name and shame racists’ site for nz shop/clertk or any kind of assistant, service people etc?
    I was totally ignored by a department store staff at the counter. She first said to me come to her to get served. While I was walking towards her, another customer was coming to the counter. We were almost at the same time towards the counter, but she was a bit behind me. This staff suddenly ignored me totally and said hi, with the most bright smile and friendly voice to the other (white) customer! But, the customer said to me in a kind voice,’You were the first’.
    So, I was served, but when the efp didn’t work well (card swapping), I was told (off) to do slowly in a rude tone. I didn’t say anything towards her other than showing very unpleasant face expression that i was not happy. It was because my daughter doesn’t want confrontation and I swallowed.
    It is hard to name and shame because of sometimes the racism is not that evident to people other than who are experiencing, but it would be great if we work together and say this is not acceptable for making a better society.

      • Farmers, Porirua. I’ve never treated this bad at the Farmers. Another occasion was a male staff at the small appliance corner totally ignored me while talking to other customer and noticed that I was waiting, but went somewhere after having served that customer. On that day, I just left without buying the item.

        • Kirks (Wellington department store) chocolate shop staff told me twice that she couldn’t hear me and the tone was rude. When it happened second time, I confronted her by saying that she may need some hearing check. She made an excuse that the music was loud. It wasn’t. When it happens like this, It is generally their rude attitude and tone. They wouldn’t do that (and they don’t, from my observation) in the same situation towards non Asians. I’ve also observed in other corner of Kirks that how a Japanese older lady was treated badly. Anyway, I don’t buy chocolates when she is there. One time she came up to me and offered service, I thought it was a bit strange. Later I noticed that there was a man who looked like a manager was observing.

  109. I think that immigration is a very bad thing, ask any Maori. Indeed many people from England go to N.Z. complaining their country has been overrun by immigrants, rather Ironic that isn’t it?

  110. NZ needs a Massive change or its all over for NZ…..Just type ‘GDP per capita’ on Google and try to find NZ in the Wiki list……..no wonder all smart kiwis moved to Australia or UK or somewhere else….

    • What do you mean by ” all over for New Zealand ” , it was never ” on ” at any time,
      That’s most likely the reason for the hatred so widely exposed here in this forum towards so many people who did not entered these shore and stayed by act of piracy…….

  111. Hedrix :
    the worst Managers are kiwis. and they are the worst
    professionals too… so lazy. They pretend that they know
    everything, but when it comes to the actual practice, they fail big
    time.

    I was told on more than one occasion when I first started at my “major kiwi company” job that I worked really fast & well. I was just doing my job to the same standard I did in the UK previously. I was told to ‘take a break’ or ‘sit down’ or ‘relax’ a few times. Over the years I must have reduced myself to their level as I didn’t hear it much before I left (after 9 years with that company)

  112. Are there any immigrants in the Wellington/Hutt Valley Area that has had enough of the country as a whole,is anyone open to maybe a meeting at a cafe or bar to share our experience in New Zealand?

  113. Sometimes people enjoy digging holes for themselves to keep busy:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9274721/Tertiary-Asianisation-comments-refuted
    A former Wintec lecturer has labelled international students as a “growing cancer” on the quality of New Zealand’s tertiary education system.

    In a scathing column for the Waikato Times, Max Christoffersen, a former business studies and communications teacher at Wintec, has blasted the “corporatisation and commercialisation” of the domestic student experience.

    But Christoffersen might have a lone supporter in Tertiary Education Union national president Lesley Francey. She was critical of the column’s tone, but said the Government could do more to ensure international students had adequate support.

    “We have a duty of care to ensure they have the requisite language skills to complete the courses and they have the student support and pastoral support there so that they are actually coming to get the education they think they are coming for.”

    Francey said international students were “definitely” being used to prop up tertiary institutions who were “chronically” underfunded.

    Durrr … the government considered their language skills sufficient to be allowed in to begin and complete their courses.
    Take it up with the government then, or is it a case of, you want the money but not the student?
    P.S. You could always print more money too, ever heard of Quantitative Easing?

  114. Wow this is fascinating reading! I came across this site by accident while doing some research for an assignment. I consider myself a kiwi – my grandparents first settled here in the 50’s and my parents grew up here. I am of pacific descent. I have never experienced racism, though my parents and grandparents definitely have. So it saddens me that visitors have had bad experiences and may be tarring us all with the same brush.

    I may have been protected by being a Pacific Islander, because we are generally bigger and sometimes ‘scarier’ then our European fellow kiwis. Or it may be because I grew up in blended neighborhoods where it was common to find households of Maori, Pasifika and European families living side by side. Or it could be my generation, who were less rigid and insular compared to the generations before, so mingled socially without any obvious disapproval or racial discrimination. Who knows?

    Experiencing any type of discrimination in any country is bad but that it’s my own beautiful NZ is totally disheartening. I don’t believe that racism runs rampant through entire communities, towns and cities in NZ but I do believe it is here. It sucks but I am strong enough to rise above it.

    • Interesting you say you rise above it yet you’re not adverse to doing a bit of racial stereotyping.

      You leave out people of Asian decent in your analysis of “blended” communities despite them making up a large proportion of the population of NZ. Maybe the problem here is that a definition of racism is missing in New Zealand and there is selective blindness. Maybe you need to have your perspectives challenged?

  115. I’m an international student and I have been in New Zealand for 2 years I really cannot stand it anymore, When I study in Auckland I cannot even walk outside of CBD without hearing at least once ” fuckin’ asian ”, I was just walking on the street and nothing else. Then I go to the university in south island and one day someone kicked me from the behind while saying something i don’t know but contains f-words and I just throw my glass soda bottle to the ground to show him I was mad. I always remained silent when someone said s**t to me just because of I’m Asian, after that, I started to carry weapons wherever I go, I now warn every racist, if you once again step on my dignity, then I will let your birthday party become funeral, my bullet does not show mercy to men, women, or children. Be careful.

  116. Always do not go for Racist as all are same human we all human no matter from heat country we are coming or what race we are (eg, British, mouri, new zelander, Chinese, Malay, Arab, Indian & etc etc).
    Human are always not perfect why need criticize each other by the way all human or all races are running ReD color blood can it be other color?? Green or yellow .
    I do agree to some ppl are feel hurt by others but god is there watching us so what come around will go around.
    Easy country need to growth that is why immigration look for ppl to come in to boom the country and actually I do hv the same feeling some will racist due to job selection they sure will put away those Chinese resume even they fit the job but do not worry when time change everything will be change.
    Anyway most richest man in top list there is many Chinese or Indian is coming soon as now India booming due to country population, so why worry see thing in wide range of ankle.
    I been here also becoz my husband get a offer job here and we not border whether their ppl are not happy on us becoz we are coming here to take their bowl of rice but if anyone hv brain can think why the company choose overseas staff coming in instead get their own ppl is quality (fast deliver/able to handle job without any problem lacking for your boss and experience of work how to overcome when there is issue coming & etc..,)
    I actually also seeking job around and I know that my application have been rejected maybe hv many ppl are applying as per recruitment agency told and company hv selected are better candidate but when I search job again they advertise in another job website which mean they still not get the candidate why they are bluffing me it’s maybe they just want me to feel better and they are looking for even better than mine to fill the position. Why I want to said this is always think positive if ppl turn me down then I work more harder to let them accept and agree with us. Never ever be negative thinking as when you go negative thing will come negative.
    All my ex boss and even some colleague also surprise that I can’t even get a job in nz they are headhunter in my country always call me for job opportunity even I’m hire but when you are hire you will not probAbly want to go even they paid high salary and the company own by Japanese or us.
    So be happy everyone always be greatful what you have and not criticize racist all are living in the same country and same roof who know one day when you need help the person was the one you criticize.
    Good luck everyone

  117. I know that where I come from, a certain percentage of right-wingers, especially from backward areas, can be counted on to make comments about people of other races, religions, orientations. and so on. In New Zealand, as with the drug use, it crosses lines that surprise you. So an upper middle class leftie Greens party accountant we knew in the Far North was using terms like “taking a Maori shower”, “Maori earthmoving” and others. His father would call individual male Maoris “Hori” and other Polynesian people “Felofasofa” and so on, making fun of the way their names sounded and the attributes associated with their cultures. They regarded this as joking and not as a genuine reflection of their beliefs, but the demographics of their personal networks generally corroborated their preference for their own sort.

  118. NZ has always been and will always be a racist country i think. Especially the HR. You cant find a decent job here if your a black race or asian :(

  119. I often wince with embarressment when I overheard stupid ignorant statements made by my fellow new zealanders (I’m white and I m talking about white nzers). New zealanders are nice people but unfortaunetly because of our isloation and cultural backwardness, we are narrow minded. It is what it is. I’m very sorry to hear of an mistreatment towards asians. Speaking from experience I’ve travelled to china korea japan. And the asians are incrediably polite and treated me excellently. New zealanders needed to grow up, extend themselves, overcome that small-town mentaility.

  120. but this is NZ goverment fault and not from people ho save aloot to go to a better place! for nz goverment the income from international students are far better than nz citizen interests… so go complain and made a revolution or kick goverment ass, but the immigrants dont have the blame

    • Revolutions can only happen if people believe that will make things change.
      The lack of that, what does that say about the future of government in New Zealand (and the people the government is made up of) … or how people there will treat immigrants and not refugees?

  121. steven :
    while i admit I have seen this racism 1st hand ( Im a “Pakeha” which is the Maori word for white man/people ) I have had mates at school who came over to NZ to study and have had coworkers who have come over to work and I do believe it is appalling that it still happens. I believe it got worse with the so called Asian invasion, too many too fast and when people started losing jobs, homes and businesses to the people coming from other countries in this short time the racism issue flared again ever since with each new flood of people entering the country is viewed with the same suspicion because our government made a mistake back then and couldn’t fix it, look at how racism wasn’t such a widespread or maybe as noticeable problem before then people will come in small groups not like the floods of people we get now at times so we as a country had time to get used to and intermingle with the newcomers and now yes our government looks at them like cash cows and even the people. The people that come over think there is plenty of space jobs and money to go around because that is what they are told before they move so they save up and come over with enough money for a few weeks at best thinking that it would be easy to find a house,job etc etc, some do find it easy but don’t realize their success can put people out onto the street and worse some don’t even care. I do agree that it is a nasty problem in our country and agree with the comment “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” by plumtart2003 but I believe rather than demonizing us kiwis ( who are all really immigrants yes even the Maoris read the history and you’ll find it ) but in looking at the issue in its entirety, Our governments propaganda, the influx of immigrants, the loss of jobs and housing etc because there is not enough to go around, and finally the visible symptom of all of this the racism towards immigrants, while true racism still exists alot of it nowadays is not the same it is due to people being fearful of losing their jobs and houses so to try to stop this they treat immigrants like crap so enough leave that we aren’t struggling to feed and cloth ourselves and our families. I believe that if we cannot cope with the level of population we need to let people leave but temporarily reduce the amount of people coming into the country till we get down to a number we can sustain and increase that number slowly so this problem goes away and racism drops back to what it was or even better lower than what it was. its not personal I think but each and every person who has come over and experienced racism from our people ask yourself this ” how would you feel if your country was doing well life was good and then because of some idiot high up you get a massive amount of immigrants all at once to the point where they are taking your jobs homes and businesses etc etc like what has happened to us how would you react to that ? would you do any better ? or would you do worse ? by no means does this mean what you have experienced is justifiable or excusable but we are a small country and were unable to cope and since our government was just making the problem worse and still is, some people came up with this as a solution ( it didnt work too well either but there are all ways stubborn people still clinging to old ways as with every country and culture ) I would like to change the quote “PRETTY LAND, TOXIC PEOPLE” into ” Pretty Land, Retard In Charge Making Toxic People”

  122. anyone think the Brother, Sister, Cousin law being a possible culprit?
    (for foreigners: Kiwis are allowed to marry brothers, sisters, cousins, etc. due to population)

    In fact, White Kiwi Males have lower IQs.
    (straight from a White Kiwi Female on YouTube)

  123. Not much racism in NZ,,if youve travelled the world you will see much more racism than here ,,the maoris are the ones who have it hardest as the land was taken from them so harden up all ye.

    • Then collect reparations from the people who wronged you, not others who have nothing to do with your quarrel.
      Simple enough, no?

  124. I’m sorry to hear about this. New Zealand used not to be so racist. As a so called white New Zealander, I find Auckland has aways had a problem. I personally find all racism disgusting and am interested in where everyone comes from, as I want to learn more. As a last comment, I think racists are usually stupid people anyway. They are also dangerous and racism causes wars!

  125. Hi i am a new zealander and my family sailed here 1879 and have lived here ever since i am very proud to be a scottish/kiwi and i do not think that me nor my family are racist what so ever and at the end of the day we are all people that live on the same planet but at the end of the day my family has been here longer then most so I demand respect and with respect I give respect. I dont care where your from I dont care if your a so called kiwi a russian a asian a European or a African I will show u respect and if you dont show respect in return theres gonna be a real problem. I think all of you will find us real kiwis (whos familys have lived here b4 1900) are not that racist at all and all the others arent racist they just dont like anyone. All you people need to harded the f up and not let people walk all over you. At the end of the day the people that dont and cant stand up for themselves are gonna get walked all over it doesnt matter where in the world you are its gonna happen because the fit survive so instead of pointing fingers at the wrong people get your facts straight. South Africans/russians/asians/germans theyre alot more racist then kiwis but the thing that makes us different is we dont put up with your guys crap. So the bottom line is if you act or look weak ur get picked on. Sh*t did your school tell you earth was heaven or something. Imagine my kids went to school in your country u dont think they would get picked on of course they would untill they hardened up and showed them theyre not little wimps. Hope this is of some help people :)

    • Thanks Cameron, we don’t normally publish posts like yours but it was such an excellent example of ingrained racism masquerading as self righteous indignation that we couldn’t let it pass.

      Have you considered that it is your attitude that needs to change. Ever thought about emigrating and getting some real world, mind broadening experience?

      • Hi E2NZ. I personally didn’t find Cameron’s post racist. I think he trying to help. He offers a way of coping. It is not an approach I would use, but works for some.

    • @Cameron:
      You’re a bit of a “fun guy” (fungi):
      All you people need to harded the f up and not let people walk all over you.
      So why are New Zealanders complaining about rising house prices? Willing buyer, willing seller.

      At the end of the day the people that dont and cant stand up for themselves are gonna get walked all over it doesnt matter where in the world you are its gonna happen because the fit survive so instead of pointing fingers at the wrong people get your facts straight.
      It must be fun for you guys to do your “over 4-years-cause-you-failed- too-many-times” degrees, while paying out of your own pocket since student loans don’t last past the 4th year (or 3rd year if you need to take CUP courses to get up to speed) … or to the completion of your Law/Medicine/Psychology qualifications. After all, the fit survive, amirite?

      So the bottom line is if you act or look weak ur get picked on.
      Don’t start complaining about gangsterism, thuggery or crime then. Only the weak get picked on.

      Imagine my kids went to school in your country u dont think they would get picked on of course they would untill they hardened up and showed them theyre not little wimps.
      I’d like to see that country in Asia where “not born there” people from “countries considered white”(correct me if my assumption is wrong) are picked on or treated with contempt, or paid LESS than locals. It’s been my observation that whether in China, South Korea, Singapore or other Asian countries, they’re paid MULTIPLES of the local person’s wages.
      Maybe that’s why I have little sympathy for the stupid argument “people from NZ cannot own land in Asian countries” … erm, your fat paycheque should certainly ease that disappointment. I also haven’t heard of that “person from a country considered white” who “died of overwork” in Asia.
      P.S. My experience as an Asian in NZ: “tolerance” is not “respect”. (Maybe it’s ’cause I’m an Asian male?)

    • You obviously have,nt lived anywhere else but NZ, My experience of school in a foreign culture as a student was the overall friendliness and hospitality of the students. In contrast to school in NZ (small city,southland) where if you were different you were ignored. by the way what does it mean to “harden up” ,are we all supposed to conform into the same kiwi bloke world view.

  126. Irony; a country where the immigrants took over, and then complain about immigrants. There are too many immigrants in New Zealand ask any Maori! I see even the Indian population, hate the immigrants, and moan about the POMs maybe they should be reminded if it had not been for the POMs, maybe the poor Maori would not have lost his land. A lot of English emigrate to NZ and Aussieland because they think their country is full of immigrants! There is a poetic justice in that! However I think there is a psyche about “white/ British” people in that they do not like anyone who is coloured. Well that’s not quite true, they like Indian / Chinese, and Japanese women, their, food, yet hate the male of the species, they even try to get a tan, and go Bollywood dancing and love the fashion. I see the Indians in NZ hate Indians, however most I have met, suddenly become, Indian, with their white friends, and whilst over in England complain about the influx of Indians and how tradition they are!

  127. Thats what you get from excessive immigration , look at France , UK etc and now the last example is Singapore . Excessive immigration without good integration is the major problem , and even Singapore is paying the price with racism .
    Immigrants have to integrate and adopt culture , and government immigration services have to be much more selective backed up by legislation . Also governments have to made accountable under the law for mismanagement of this type , no political immunity .
    Also certain NGO’s who are for immigration has to be made responsible for their decisions.
    Any government today who does not listen to citizens concerning immigration is heading for instability and possibly racist reactions .

    • Excessive immigration without good integration is the major problem , and even Singapore is paying the price with racism .
      U wot m8?
      Immigration to Singapore is largely from China and India. Singapore is a multiracial Asian country. So that idea of “racism” is kind of insane.
      What is happening in Singapore is immigrant workers being paid less and locals being disregarded for positions – HARDLY what is happening in New Zealand, where some locals seem to have preference despite poorer schooling, grammar and ability!
      I’m sure no New Zealand citizen would want to step up to the plate of receiving less than the minimum wage.
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8087351/Claims-Chinese-firms-routinely-underpaying
      As long as you think it’s only a problem for immigrants to get less than the award rate … you may later find yourself working for peanuts to compete. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

  128. Im kiwi(pakeha) but cant get a job. All I see is foreigners working every job in Auckland.
    How do think we feel when kiwis wont employ us.I worked 10 yrs overseas and come back to a city where all employers only hire immigrants, was never racist overseas and had plenty of foreign friends.Wish I never came back.NZ sux.

    • I think Auckland is an anomaly in New Zealand. You do indeed see many foreigners working in Auckland. Move to a smaller city, and I am sure you will find the Pakeha Kiwis are given preference.

  129. I have applied to around 30 jobs since arriving in New Zealand. I am UK born and bred but my surname is not ‘white’.

    I have years of experience working for companies which are known around the world. I have applied for positions not only at my current level but at a level I was working at 5 years ago. So far I have not been accepted for ONE interview. I have been rejected from every single application even before they have seen me.

    You would think that it may be my CV, but in the UK, I didn’t seem to have a problem.

    • I dont think its you…. i have had the same problem here as well.. and my CV was just fine in the UK and in South Africa where i am from….Im sorry to hear that..

  130. the worst Managers are kiwis. and they are the worst
    professionals too… so lazy. They pretend that they know
    everything, but when it comes to the actual practice, they fail big
    time.

  131. She has both my mobile number and land line. In any way, I
    would not like my daughter to have the instructor with such bad
    manners anymore. It seems she is very nice to my daughter’s friend,
    so we were told she is a very nice person and a good instructor.
    However, I saw her face on face book page and I don’t like her,
    either. It gives me the impression of what kind of person she is. I
    would have tried her if the phone conversation went well. But, I am
    glad that we don’t have to try her.

    • By the way, I rang her today at 3pm because my daughter
      really wanted to ring her thinking she might have forgotten it. Her
      daughter got the phone, her speaker phone was on so I could hear a
      woman telling this girl to get my name and phone number and tell me
      to ring in 30 min. It was quiet so I couldn’t recognize her voice.
      I assumed it was her, but it could be another daughter. My gut
      feeling was her, though. It was adult talking. So, I rang back at
      3.30. The daughter got it again and said I should ring back in 2
      hours. So, I told her to tell her mum to ring me back when she
      comes home. So far, she hasn’t rung back. (4 hours later) My
      daughter in the meantime said she didn’t want her anymore. I’ve
      never encountered this kind of experience in regards of some
      activity either for myself or my children. Even though initially
      she texted me saying that she could give a lesson to my daughter,
      but her attitude changed after I range her up and wanted to talk
      about the details. But, as you two suggest, I’ll take her attitude
      as ‘slack’ ‘rude’ ‘meanness’ etc…other than racism. I don’t tell
      my daughter about ‘racism’ experience, yet. She also doesn’t say
      that. Just ‘forgot’ ‘mean’ .etc…

      • Just an update – Some days ago, my daughter told me that she was sitting next to a girl in one of her classes. They talked about their common interest in horses. It turned out that the instructor lets the girl use her land for free horse riding with the instructor’s horse. My gut feeling was that she didn’t bother to talk with me in the first place. She just said that she gives lessons to people who have their own horses, let alone free riding. My daughter would have loved free riding, too. We didn’t even get to talk with her about different options at all. Blocked.

  132. Is this racism or not?

    I rang up an instructor yesterday to make an inquiry about an activity that she offers. I put the speaker phone on so my teenage daughter could hear the conversation as it was related with her. My daughter got the instructor’s number from her friend who gets lessons from her. When I rang, I told her who I was and why I rang. The instructor said she would ring me in 10 min. but she didn’t ring me back yet. (now the next day – more than 24 hours passed)

    If I took this as racism, would I be too sensitive? I wonder whether she would have rung us back if my teenage daughter or son who have no Asian accent. Or she might have even had time to talk on the spot yesterday, I wonder… (Before, she texted me to ring on her land line when she gets home, so I did)

    Now, even if she rings back, I do not have a good impression of her, so I probably would not choose her as my daughter’s instructor. Regardless racism or not, this is such a bad manner, I think. Would she have done that to people who speak with NZ accent or non Asian accent, e.g. European?

    Anyway, this is the first time my teenage daughter happen to observe the situation. She normally doesn’t take things as ‘racism’, so I don’t know how she is going to perceive this.

    This kind of thing is confusing to figure out whether it is a form of racism or not…

    What do you think of this? Is this just a very bad manner? Too busy? Forgot to ring back? Anybody had similar experience? Did you contact the person again? How did you respond/react?

      • Yes, they are just slack like that in general. I wouldn’t take that as racism. Find someone else if you’re getting a bad vibe from her though. Trust your gut!

  133. Don’t get me started on job interviews in New Zealand,I have lived in the country for 19 years and now in my mid 20s when I applied for a job,I found one or two employers or HR’s would start sniggering during the job interview and also my mum who works in a supermarket,the staff would get jealous and her give her abuse too because she is a efficent worker and would refuse to take part in rumor spreading or gossiping

  134. wow just stumbled onto this website and after reading the previous comments, left me with a headache. I’m part Moari and English. I have received racists comments from both sides..dirty moari..stuck up white B… and the list goes now. My family and I are quite open minded, worked hard and have a lot of friends from different nationalities. 30 years later, my sister married a migrant and they have 5 kids together. The younger kids 4&5 are teased and called filthy Indians from the white kids. The older kids who are lighter in color are called lazy Maoris by the Migrant kids. It is obvious these types of comments by a bunch of 4-9 year olds get it from their racist parents. Its got to the point now my brother n law wants to move them out of this stupid country (considering he is a citizen here and has one of the top jobs in this country). I already have siblings who couldn’t get a job here due their native race, the biggest excuse is they where over qualified, the reason is because they are half-cast, Now are earning big money in Japan and Australia. My problem is the ones who complain about migrants taking the jobs, then going around spreading hate, my answer is get off your lazy backside get a job then we don’t have to outsource jobs. ( Although all the cut backs in the market place are not helping thanks to the NZ govt, one of the reasons why my relatives have left.) I am living in a city where the fascist Nazi mindset has moved in and the name calling starts up when I get a tan in summer and hang out with my Asian mates. Something really needs to change here, not sure what but this country is really going to the pack.

  135. I remember hearing complaints from British women there that their men had become feral (Kiwified) after migration. Hygiene, manners, out the window.

  136. I can’t claim to know a great deal about NZ as a country because I’ve never been there.I do however have family over there that I do not speak to anymore.They left England 30 years ago to start a new life and periodically visited us every 5 years.There seemed to be a very gradual and unpleasant change to their characters in this time that led to a lot of friction between myself and them.They did display these racist atitudes mentioned here and seemed to take an almost parochial attitude(i.e what happens outside NZ was of no consequence whatsoever).Furthermore they became arrogant ,rude and insufferable:whether this is a charcter flaw on their part or an indication of Kiwi out look,I couldn’t say.Perhaps a KIWI could offer his or her opinion?

  137. I would like to welcome all people to our country Manakitanga is key for how we treat people (Tangata whenua ) the first people of the land it is with us that you should build a relationship first shame on all of us buying into the hatred and bull crap about asians etc… shame
    the hatred and thinking is only coming from the western world world beliefs of money rulz the world and all that fear mongering its all about money and been victims of fear what ever racism is when we carry on the bull crap that we lose jobs housing what ever that is not true …read the facts who really owns this country I am asahmed to read all this crap listening to it on talk backs one eyed racist views guess what we dont all think like the majority of whingers and whiners in the country …….who have nothing better to do than complain , run other cultures down and sit on these sites writing lots of crap yak I am so ahamed and sick of negative views and guess what I just turn off the radio and dont normally read all the racist crap coming from moaners and whingers with nothing better to do guess what diversity and difference is every where we are everywhere could be one day you daughter in law son in law , landlord , tenant , future boss …….. aroha ki te tangata always think well of others in how we treat people
    Kai Tahu proverb
    Tania M

  138. http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/8782258/Attacking-sisters-hurled-fists-and-racism
    Interesting case.
    The defence used by the girls:
    Defence lawyer Jacinda Younger said the incident was triggered by Mr Gupta grabbing Tawharu’s breasts.
    Her sister’s lawyer, Mike Andrews, two weeks’ ago accused Mr Gupta of grabbing one of the women’s bottoms.
    Judge Lynch noted the “part of the anatomy” had changed.

    Always take the time to enable recording devices on your person, it may save you a false sex-harassment charge or a racist the chance of getting away by claiming a sexual assault.

  139. To all you racists New Zealanders ,I have lived in this country for over 30 years .From primary school till now you have called me terrorist ,curry muncher, rag head etc.When ever I challenged you were shocked that I stood up for my self and you backed off like a coward.I am stay right here and you make me leave.Just as much as you hate me now I feel sorry for you lot,in such a nice country you are brought up so twisted and full of hate………even the poorest people who I meet in my life through out the world in the poorest of countries are more welcoming and friendly than you lot, brought up in the land of milk of honey but jealous greedy as hell.

  140. Yeah, NZ is truly a racist country. I should know I lived there for years and received racism not only from Pakehas but also Maoris and even an Aborigine in New Zealand Post. So you can’t expect me to be sympathetic to Aborigine in Aust. In New Zealand Post, they expected me to do all the work manual work at that and the team leader accused me of being lazy to the instigation of I think her Maori coworker who was racist towards me. In the union meet all they can say is cultural gap despite the team leader saying she does not know why she was racist to me. I am a science grad of the most competitive university in my country and hope never to set foot in New Zealand. I know UP Phds working as janitors can you imagine!

    • I came in New Zealand for one year PG diploma in University, from India. As every Indian coming over here I also had a dream of making friends in University while studying along with them. But within three to four months I realized that No one literally no one came to me and just say even a ‘Hi’. It was like I was completely being ignored in the class room. The friends whom I made was like me who came from India to study in the Uni and they were also treated the same like me. Its been an year since I am here and the story is the same. I am from a culturally rich country and completed my bachelors and masters in a University and what happened in India was that if anyone was from some other state came to our institute we would go to him or her and talk with them about their culture, family and if they have any kind of problems while settling in the new place and make that person our friend. But here there was no one, even the people in the International student office say that you have to gel in the system, I always wonder that how can you gel in some place where there is no one talking to you even the Indians who are born and brought up here didn’t talked with us. First time in my life I have seen that how one is being alienated in a place because you don’t have white color, no one talks with you and you just come and attend the class and go back to your house. Also there are many stories which I have heard from other Indians who came here to study that how they were punched in their faces, kicked and got looted with all of their cash and mobile phones plus being offered with various racial insults. Never in my life I felt that making friends is so difficult. Me and my friend were also gifted with F*** you Indians insult when we were walking on a road on a friday night. I would not recommend anyone to come in this country because it is not as they say on their different college and uni websites that the environment here is very friendly and blah blah. Nothing like that happens here and moreover there is no jobs over here as they depict on their sites. I don’t know, but its quite depressing when you are treated as you don’t belong to that place when you are away from your loved ones and came to an unknown place and environment for better prospects.

  141. Japan has its share of ethnocentric racists but the right-wing idiots over here don’t personally heckle and fling crap at minorities from unmarked moving vehicles like in New Zealand, especially Christchurch. This city already developed a bad reputation for being unable to build and maintain modern office blocks that can withstand the jolt of a moderate scale earthquake, so let’s not have racist physical violence tarnishing the city’s name any further, because it’s difficult enough to raise awareness of New Zealand as a potential tourist destination to the Japanese, let alone persuading them to visit the ‘tiny village’ of Christchurch in the age of super cheap holidays to Australia, the Marianas and other tourist spots that matter.

    Then again, I doubt New Zealand gives a crap about Japanese tourists, the average Kiwi can’t tell the difference between East Asian Chinese, Japanese or Koreans to begin with. Oh and there’s this irony that all those racist hecklers and egg chuckers drive used Japanese cars, so what’s the message they really want to tell their victims? “Go home Asians, I drive a Subaru which was driven by a half-a-dozen Japos before it was shipped to New Zealand which then I stole.”

    • I had the same experience like yours. I left for Australia and managed to secure a high post job within a week. I was in NZ for 1.5 years job hunting and had to work as cashier in PakNSave. Common replies on rejection are
      1. no NZ experience…although i have 10 years OE working in world class project internationally…(Ironic or just pure hypocrite when Kiwis travel abroad to get OE)..not even given opportunity for Fresh Graduate vacancy.
      2. I don’t have Kiwi Accent….yeah..I speak Queen’s English…At 2 interviews, the interviewers asked,’Are you from UK?’….
      3. I am South East Asian….One recruiter at Hamilton SODA asked,’Can you speak English?’, ‘ China must be really cold that’s why you moved here’….I was like ???? WTF??
      4. I was a regular at one of the Cafe in The Base, Hamilton….The regular barista that always welcome me in the morning asked,’Why are you still here? When are you going back to your home country?’ and I replied, ‘I live and work here’….after that he turned cold towards me…I stop visiting that cafe after that…
      5. A kiwi friend, more like unfriendly neighbour, as I was complaining to him on how hard to get job after he told me he was living on dole, said,’If you don’t like the country, then GET out…maybe Asian should be with Asian.’…So this is the hardworking kiwi? living on dole and doesn’t even attempt to get a permanent job.
      6. At another interview, the director said,’Maybe Asian prefers to be fruit picker rather than working in key post’

      and the list goes on….

      • Here’s something else to think about though:
        Would you have verbally cut dead an Asian who pried about your private life or made such ridiculous comments?
        One of the reasons why people are emboldened to behave badly is because no-one calls them out on their boorishness.

      • I’d advise anyone looking for the quick job fix in Australia to be careful, and only make the move when a written offer is on the table. JUST the same for anyone looking for the quick job fix in NZ.
        As an example, it has become VERY difficult for accountants to secure a job even if they began and completed their studies in Australia.
        Uprooting your life is not something to be done willy-nilly.

  142. I don’t think it really matters but I am a “Pakeha” .I attend a school in Wellington and the experiences some of you have shared has seriously shocked me and I personally would never stoop to such low actions as discriminating somebody based upon race. I have many Asian friends and none of this would be tolerated at my school, we regularly experience different cultures at assemblies during school where if you have a different background then it is something which is celebrated. New Zealand may have a problem but I can assure you it is far worse else where around the world, racism should not be tolerated anywhere but you cannot argue that there is no racism in every single nation (including Asia). I know of a friend who visited Japan where he was an outcast for a long time and was considered an ‘outsider’ because of his race. Look, NZ isn’t perfect but no where is perfect. Conflict is human nature.

    • “New Zealand may have a problem but I can assure you it is far worse else where around the world”

      And how does that make racism in New Zealand more tolerable? You have admitted you are shocked by what you’ve read, yet you fall into the trap of comforting yourself with the belief that these awful things are more tolerable because it’s so much worse somewhere else?

      How easily you dismiss the experiences of many people based on what you see in your school assemblies.

      Perhaps when you’ve finished school you’ll have the opportunity to see something of the world beyond Wellington. Stop defining yourself as pakeha, and call yourself a global citizen.

    • I have many Asian friends and none of this would be tolerated at my school, we regularly experience different cultures at assemblies during school where if you have a different background then it is something which is celebrated.
      The real racism happens after school … examples include getting a job, getting a date, access to the benefit, access to scholarships :)
      You know, when it comes to the chances of your building a life in NZ even when you completely grew up there.
      P.S. How many of your Asian friends are permanent residents or non-citizens? Reason I ask is because in game theory, there is this idea of “shadow of the future” – you are more likely to treat well, people that can be in contact with you regularly … because they can negatively affect your future prospects. Others get the shaft …

  143. Wow. Obviously this is an issue that a lot of people have opinions on. Personally, I think racism isn’t exactly a societal issue, but one that concerns individuals. In an ideal world, when people take responsibility for their own words and actions, then racism wouldn’t exist because the only person you would be able to judge would be yourself.
    Of course, this ideal world doesnt exist. Yet.

    • In an ideal world, when people take responsibility for their own words and actions, then racism wouldn’t exist because the only person you would be able to judge would be yourself.
      In my opinion, generally people don’t take responsibility for themselves.
      However, we are not told the information that made them make those decisions. Lies are one of the reasons society breaks down, the others are lack of reciprocation and deceivers.
      In the real world, you cannot murder, steal or kidnap.
      But through the magic of the ballot box you can exercise those rights.
      Via war, inflation/taxation/confiscation(the only ways ANY government thus far works with money) and conscription.

      I’ve found that people who refuse to say racism is wrong …
      are generally either racist or want special (unearned) privileges for themselves out of proportion to their needs or ability.
      Besides, from a pragmatic point of view, pissing people off because of their skin colour may lose you opportunities.
      Then again, I am pretty sure you don’t go to a mechanic or a doctor because you like their fashion sense or whether they speak with an accent – you go there because you require their expertise, like their price or delivery time.
      To a very great extent, every interaction is a transaction.
      But to go back to pissing people off: of course, some people become pissed off when you speak the truth. They’d like the status quo to remain, where they benefit: Which is also why many liars get ahead. Oh well, reward the liar and earn the lie :)

  144. Ps. My husband white original Kiwi but lots of time I found not just only Asian been abused but my husband too from same skin color or opposite. So sometimes I think not just Asian but look like everyone been abused from bad people here.

  145. Thank you about this topic. it make me feel stronger in my heart. I live in NZ for 7 years I try to adapt and adopt to NZ environment but so hard that I have lots of time talk with my husband how to choose about leaving NZ or stay more another years. You know this topic mean lots for me to be patient to live in this country because we still be called family if I tell the truth I am not feel happy to live in NZ any more. I just wish and dream to going out as soon as I can. No place like home!

  146. Don’t Worry— “What goes around Comes around”. Kiwis are already being prejudiced in Australia. Someday, their descendants will also be discriminated against. The world is changing. Most industrialized nations are faltering. Emerging economies are now mostly from third world countries. Someday them racists children and grandchildren will work for Asians, Latinos and Africans. So all you racists out there enjoy your racist tendencies now because payback will be in full in the future. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! HAIL KARMA!!!!

  147. I have spent ages reading lots of the comments, views and opinions shared here. some of them are alarming, distressing and worrying to say the least. there are definitely some valid and true points as well as some far fetched ones, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. I am half black and half white, not trying to be racist just saying it how it is, and I have experienced both sides of racism. I have grown up in both New Zealand and in the Pacific Islands. Being a halfcast woman I have experienced racism for not being fully black but then also for not being fully white either. racism is always a two way street and yes I will agree with some of you who say it is learned. I don’t believe we are born racist creatures but over time we experience, learn and encounter certain things that either make us racist towards others or have others be racist towards us. I learnt at a young age while at school about racism when a swastika was drawn on one of my belongings by a wee white fella. at the time i didn’t think much of it as I didn’t fully understand racism but i understood that it was to do with the colour of my skin. Still to this day I don’t think much of it because i know that that wee kid probably didn’t even realise what exactly he was drawing or the history behind that sign, he probably learnt it off someone else. I know what it feels like to be discriminated against because I am slightly dark but I also know what it feels like to be discriminated against because I am slightly white. I have been called nigger numerous times by white people but then have been almost looked down on by my own pacific people as I am not fully black. or even when other races look down on me as I am PI and immediately think that I am an underachiever, I’m lazy and can’t work hard, or won’t extend myself in learning and will just end up dropping out of school and having heaps of kids – all of these stereotypes but not always true! it is not always direct but at times subtle and indirect. But despite this i claim and am proud of both my New Zealand background and PI background. I do believe New Zealand has issues with racism but what country doesn’t??! every single nation, country, race, ethnic group etc has their own faults, their own mistakes and their own problems to deal with including racism, discrimination, prejudices and stereotypes which are all ugly truths. yes some groups of people experience more racism than others and that is extremely unfortunate but we must not forget at the end of the day we are all imperfect human beings living in the same world. as a half Kiwi I am protective of my country and hate seeing it being put down and bad mouthed by others, just as any patriotic citizen would. Generally I think NZ isn’t too racist, yea we have opinions about people and things but again who doesn’t??! I think it is at times a small minority of racists that give the rest of us Kiwis a bad name, we are actually good, friendly, down to earth people who get along with others from all walks of life, we aren’t all crazy, wack racists who go out of our way to hurt immigrants or those from other ethnicities!! I know we ain’t perfect but we aren’t as bad as others. I also think that one’s own perception of things can come into the equation as well. I have often thought when walking into a shop, or anywhere really, and I see the staff or another customer staring at me or the security’s eyes follow me round the shop, is that to do with the colour of my skin or is it do with maybe I have something on my face or maybe they think I’m a lil good lookin!?! ;) nah but who knows what is going on in their brain, you might take it personally and think they are being racist or you might just shrug it off and keep shopping and not think much of it! at the end of the day I think it’s important to see someone first as a human being not their ethnic origin, their religion or beliefs, not their history and lastly “not judged by the colour of the skin but by the content of their character.” (Martin Luther King Jr.)

    • we aren’t all crazy, wack racists who go out of our way to hurt immigrants or those from other ethnicities!!
      Let me deconstruct this misguided notion.
      Assume you are in HR or the hiring manager at your company.
      Step 1. Resume lands on your desk – not a local-sounding name. Not a citizen either.
      Step 2. Place resume in trash.
      See, no need to go out of your way to hurt immigrants or those from other ethnicities, you are merely putting waste paper into the trash.
      That’s how people can be “racist without appearing to be racist”.

  148. The government needs to take immigration seriously and apply tougher citizenship laws like in Switzerland where it takes 12 years to gain citenzenship by naturalisation. The other issue is the sky high home prices that is not helped by non resident Asians purchasing homes becaue they can i.e. there is no government law stopping them from buying our homes which is pushing up prices. An Asian Auckland professor has also given insight on how asain men in Cjina and Korea are expected to have a home no matter where is is in order to attract and marry Asian women – -so they choose NZ which is an easy target haven been driven away from other countries like Singapore where they have quickly introduce tas to prevent this nonsense.

    • Are you serious?

      And what about all the Kiwis returning home with their overseas earned wealth, buying up investment properties without the hindrance of stamp duty to moderate their spending?

      Thanks for showing our readers just how bad racism is in New Zealand.

    • The other issue is the sky high home prices that is not helped by non resident Asians purchasing homes becaue they can i.e. there is no government law stopping them from buying our homes which is pushing up prices.
      I know, it’s quite horrifying if someone from overseas can offer a price the seller can live with to get a house. And if you make it tough for those people to hang around (i.e. proper qualifications but no job) … why do you think they should stay given that they have no income?
      On the flip side, is there a breakdown of beneficiary recipients by ethnic community?

      An Asian Auckland professor has also given insight on how asain men in Cjina and Korea are expected to have a home no matter where is is in order to attract and marry Asian women – -so they choose NZ which is an easy target haven been driven away from other countries like Singapore where they have quickly introduce tas to prevent this nonsense.
      The stamp duty is only some percentage. You do know Singapore suffers from a land shortage, right? Manying Ip is that professor you are talking about.
      P.S. Maybe they wouldn’t need to buy houses if your local kiwi girls threw themselves at them. Something to think about :) If you don’t want an overheated housing market on account of Asian men buying houses to be seen as a good prospect to Asian women … you could always – give them an alternative offer.
      P.P.S. NZ has sold 9 times more land to people from Liechtenstein than China. Have fun being racist … to people you can’t visually distinguish from the majority of the NZ-born.

  149. Another point for those thinking about coming to NZ: if you are the sort of person who would go on internet forums to moan about the quality of NZ houses or anything else which Kiwis regarded as whinging, then you are the sort of person who would find NZ culture hard going and its people hard to make friends with.

  150. I am white born in NZ , but my children are married to Asians. I’m sickened to read this web-page because so many posts are driven by bigoted hatred of white Kiwis and NZ culture. If you come into a tiny insular country like NZ and insult the people and the culture you will be perceived by the natives as invaders and destroyers. The whites whose families have lived here for generations are natives in a similar sense to Maori. They grew up in a relatively harmonious bicultural society , not a multicultural society. Understanding and respect form a two-way street. Do not come into NZ with a bolshy attitude and presume to teach NZers how to suck eggs.

  151. I found this page by googling “racism new zealand” after reading an article about a white supremacist group from Christchurch, and must admit that I am shocked at the state of affairs in New Zealand based on the comments in this post. I was planning a vacation to the South Island in July, travelling around in a campervan – now I am genuinely concerned about my physical safety as an Asian tourist of Chinese descent. I’ve traveled to at least a dozen countries in Asia, North America and Europe and have only had racist abuse yelled at me from cars twice – once in Canada, and once in Croatia – and cannot imagine that it seems fairly common in New Zealand. It totally ruined my day, and I cannot imagine putting myself through the same distressing experience again.

      • They are odd genes though. Asian people look super young forever and then BOOM overnight they look ANCIENT!
        It is almost like middle-age just never exist! One minute they are 40-ish and wrinkle free, next minute ALL wrinkles and ancient.
        It must be genes!

          • Racial profiling? Seriously???

            I agreed with your comment!
            “the genes that keep you looking young). Eh, and I’m Asian too.”. YES THEY DO!!! But very old age looks great on Asians too.

            I just said that Asian people never look middle aged, They look young forever and then do VERY old soooo well!

            Racial profiling?
            Here is some “racial profiling” for you. I have noticed that most red heads are Scottish or Irish. I have noticed that most polynesians have curly hair. I have noticed that chinese people have black hair. I have noticed Australians have horrid accents.I have noticed that in my family woman are short and men are very tall.

            RACIAL PROFILING!!!!!!!!!!! You are ridiculous!

          • I had to ask my son what “reddit” is.

            After my first brief look, it looks like a place that takes far too much bullshit to learn bullshit.

            I made what I thought was a compliment to Asian skin because I wish I had skin like that! I’m 46, I need young skin!

            Just for the record the hardest drug I partake in is a Sav Blanc

    • My experience (on the assault side of things) was having things thrown at me from cars, and escaping from a skinhead group. So you might want to put in some gym time to keep up the stamina for a sudden run when you need it.

  152. I can’t see why everyone can’t have a place, including racists. New Zealand was built by and for white people, specificly Brits. No one else has any right there. A place for everyone!

    • And yet so many British people get told they are “whining POMs”.
      You wouldn’t have let them into the country if they didn’t have the dollars NZ craved …

  153. Interesting news bit:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/3026635/Bleak-outlook-without-immigration-Coleman
    Immigration contributes significantly to every New Zealander’s per capita income, new research shows.

    The Department of Labour’s International Migration Settlement and Employment Dynamics research showed that “without immigration, the outlook is bleak”, Immigration Minister Jonathan Coleman said.

    Without current levels of immigrants moving to New Zealand, the population would drop by 9.6 percent and gross domestic profit (GDP) by 11.3 percent by 2021.

    At the current 20,000 annual net flow, annual GDP would be an extra $28 billion by 2021.

    Double the number of immigrants, 40,000, would see GDP per capita rise 1.5 percent.

    Dr Coleman said government policy had to “continue to focus on economic gains from immigration”.

    … I don’t confuse immigration with integration as it’s obvious that the article does not talk about the value of diversity.
    What is interesting is that they left out contribution via originating region of migrants.
    Since this would create one of two implications, either that one section of migrants has a higher bar to cross or one section of migrants pays more for goods and services.

  154. I came to NZ in my early teens, went to school and university there. Things were slightly different back then, since there weren’t that many eastern asians (chinese, koreans, japanese). But things were changing over time, more asians came in, most of us work hard, pay tax and make contribution to the society. However, I do have to point out that there are some that came in with tons of cash, and are ignorant, refused to learn the language. That’s probably where racism came from. Also as a small country, it is understandable that the flood of asian people do pose a thread, and insecurity.

    Had my own experiences of working in NZ for few years upon graduation. I noticed that there were hardly any asians at the top management level, many of us were just put into some bottom positions for years and years, regardless of our achievements. Not only the asians noticed that, but also my co workers from england, they told me that asian talents are much better treated and appreciated in the UK.

    For the past 5 years, I had lived in europe, did more studies and learned to speak more european languages. It is not uncommon to find educated people in europe speak at least four languages, which is a bit amusing that people get judged only by their english language skills in NZ. During these 5 years, I had never encountered any racism towards asian perhaps in the whitest countries possible. I love NZ, but not sure if I would ever come back any more.

  155. I am off NZ now, and I’m pretty happy with it…Me and my family we experienced rasism, and bullying, in our jobs/schools, and everywhere…We are thankfull we are caucasians, because if we were Indians, or Chinese, it could be 100-times worse. We are Greeks, and we spend 4 years there, and we always had to deal with verbal abuse about our nationality because of Greece’s ecomonic problems and we are most dissapointed by the indifference of our children’s school, to help tackle the constant bullying they expecienced both from teachers and peers. We decided we rather come back than to stay in a country where public hospitals turn away foreigner workers like me, rents are unaffordable and houses are unsafe/ or of very low quality, and there is no antibullying law/procedure at school.
    I wish I knew better before moving to NZ, but now at least, I know how the true NZ looks like…

    • Just put up my story on Kelsey’s by mistake. Was going to write related with her, but changed my mind an wrote something else. And then, I found your message just now.

      You mentioned job searching at health care sector. Since i became so aware of the racism in NZ, I wonder how minorities are treated in health sector as patients.

      Anyway, I would like to wish you all the best for you and your family!

      I guess you go back to Greece? Then, at least you’ll be able to communicate with your native language and express yourself as much as you can! That will be so good!

  156. I moved to New Zealand ten years ago from South Africa as a 10 year old child. I came from a country that is often labelled as racist, (and it is!) although I always stood up for the indigenous African, Indian, Greek etc populations when they were racially attacked, even as a child I would not stand for racism.
    Then I moved to New Zealand.
    I was so shocked. People often think that racism only happens to people of colour, (and I’m not disputing that the majority of the time it does), but I am a caucasian (and one of the palest you could ever see at that). However, I was mocked, told to “go back to Africa”, I was mercilessly bullied because I was South African. And a lot of that mocking came from Caucasian AND Maori children. So it’s not like whites are the only ones who can be racist, which is often the stereotype, which is in itself racist..
    Basically, I had never, NEVER, seen such hatred from children towards a foreigner.
    And I’m from the Apartheid country. (Ironically, I was called a dirty racist purely because I was South African. Bit hypocritical if you ask me).
    I think it might also be because of a general lack of respect that is inforced in New Zealand (don’t get me wrong, I love my adopted country). But I had never been around children who so openly disrespected each other and even the teachers. There language was atrocious, and they had absolutely no care for others. Eventually I made friends with a group of other immigrants from China and Korea, as we were all mercilessly bullied, and found comfort in our mutual situations.

    • Eventually I made friends with a group of other immigrants from China and Korea, as we were all mercilessly bullied, and found comfort in our mutual situations.
      There’s something really weird about a situation where teachers can’t perform their responsibilities to make the learning environment as non-disruptive as possible.
      I’d add that’s not a surprise because I noticed those taking that course were after a soft-touch degree and seemed to have very flexible ethics. It also doesn’t help that many children and teachers know the rule of “no blood, no foul”. Relational aggression is a common bullying tactic since bruises can’t be explained away.

    • My friend who emigrated from England (Asian) with her English husband and children went back to England. They stayed here for 2 years and the problem started from her son’s first school. He was bullied as ‘nigger’, she went to school to talk about it with his teacher. Her response was using nigger was nothing wrong in New Zealand. She was appalled by the response and in the end she pulled her son out of the school.

      My own experience observing a school reading class. I visited a Catholic primary school (NZ catholic school is not a private school) with my daughter. An older female teacher was talking about books. While she was talking, she mentioned ‘negro’ became president in the USA. That must have been in 2008, I guess when Obama was elected. She didn’t show any emotions, but simply put the word ‘negro’ 3 times. There was no explanation about the historic event. The kids were about 10 or 11. There were some Indian, Asian kids as well.

      I asked a couple of people whether the term ‘negro’ is okay to use in New Zealand. One woman told me, yes. It seems the word came back to use these days. Obviously in her friend’s circle they use it. Other people said ‘no’. Definitely not in classroom!

      Is Negro okay and Nigger bad?

      Could the teacher at my friend’s son’s school defended other students who bullied him ‘nigger’ as not ‘bullying’ because ‘negro’ is okay to use?

      I remember even a minister using the word ‘negro’ in a normal conversation.

      Anyway, I observed a teacher who was not happy with Obama’s win at all and told her kids ‘negro’. I could tell she was not amused about the historic event.

      My friend went back to England with not so good memory of New Zealand people.

      • ::”My friend who emigrated from England (Asian) with her English husband and children went back to England. They stayed here for 2 years and the problem started from her son’s first school. He was bullied as ‘nigger’, she went to school to talk about it with his teacher. Her response was using nigger was nothing wrong in New Zealand”

        I am 45 yrs old and have NEVER heard the term “nigger” used in my life,,,with the exception of American movies and songs.

        I would not be surprised if it was a term used by teenager who have adopted that language from TV and movies but I would be very quick to ensure that American crap language is not acceptable to most adult kiwis. My son is 21 and I have never heard him use language like that (his best friend from 12 yrs old is originally from Hong Kong)

        ” My own experience observing a school reading class. I visited a Catholic primary school (NZ catholic school is not a private school) with my daughter”

        Catholic schools are absolutely private schools…..being Catholic is a condition of enrolment!

        . “An older female teacher was talking about books. While she was talking, she mentioned ‘negro’ became president in the USA. That must have been in 2008, I guess when Obama was elected. She didn’t show any emotions, but simply put the word ‘negro’ 3 times. There was no explanation about the historic event. The kids were about 10 or 11. There were some Indian, Asian kids as well”

        My mother is 70 this year, she also talked about Obama as a ‘Negro”. Negro was the term that her generation was taught as ‘correct’. My mum would have NEVER used the term ‘nigger’ and felt using the term ‘black’ was wrong. So she reverted to ‘Negro’.

        It must be the cultural divide to think that talking the Black American President (or calling him a Negro) could in anyway be thought of to describe anyone BUT an American.

        • My mother is 70 this year, she also talked about Obama as a ‘Negro”. Negro was the term that her generation was taught as ‘correct’. My mum would have NEVER used the term ‘nigger’ and felt using the term ‘black’ was wrong. So she reverted to ‘Negro’.
          Just say “of African lineage/descent”. Is that too hard a definition to get accustomed to?

  157. The Kiwis in this country think their superior, but actually the foreigners are keeping this island afloat- the Chinese rule New Zealand. Learn to respect your new bosses.

  158. I am a Kiwi of Maori decent and it is sad to hear the comments on here about New Zealand being a labelled racist country, intolerant of the migrants and people not of a mainstream NZ background. By mainstream I think it is fair to say of mostly Pakeha origin, a term which was never used as a derogatory term for most NZ Europeans (Origin: Pakepakeha = Ghostly or Supernatural, Pakehakeha = Gods in the forms of man or animal).
    I will say however that the comments are pretty well justified and as a Maori who has just moved from Home to live in Australia, I find that I am being better treated here. Even Pakeha living in OZ treat you better probably taking subliminal cues from there Ozzy mates. I wouldn’t say that Ozzys aren’t racist though as they really despised the Aboriginal people of Australia.
    I hear of Asians and Indians being the most discriminated against back home but I’ve gotta say add Maori to that mix too. The difference being that Maori have a tendency to make their issues heard more often and, as a result – unlike the Asians, Indians and other minorities – are probably the most despised ethnic minority in New Zealand. You hear about protests where we are fighting for land, fighting to be recognised in this country, fighting to keep our identity as Maori, and fighting to keep that identity as Maori as possible considering that a lot of our language and culture had been beaten out of my Grandparents generations and were too scared to pass their language and culture on to the next.
    A lot of the immigrants that come to NZ are lucky in that their cultures and languages are preserved in their own countries, are mainstream mostly and are not endangered as ours was once and is still critical.
    I will agree too that Maori compared to 30 odd years ago are a bit more racist than what they used to be but mainly towards Pakeha, and more of a political nature than one of colour creed etc.
    Immigrants are hard to accept especially for westernised countries because they are seen as a threat to the status quo in a particular country. That is until those not of a mainstream majority stand up and become counted and change that status quo. Ask Mr Obama (President of USA) or even Meng Foon (Mayor of Gisborne New Zealand), or Sir Anand Satyanand (Governor General, New Zealand). This doesn’t always mean blending in, sometimes you have to be unique, even if it does piss some people off. People will learn to respect, accept, or at least tolerate you eventually. Other than that just ignore the crap and fight to dispell the generalisations that people use because they are too arrogant or ignorant to know that people are different no matter what their skin colour or ethnic background.
    Example: I have an Asian brother in law and he is not your typical Asian. He hates maths, is not a lawyer, or computer technician and is not rich. But he is very frugal with money. I guess somethings you never lose.

  159. I visited this site again knowing that there are people who talk about this. I can’t talk about this issue often with my family. I do not want to hurt or make my children aware of racism too much. One teenage and one at uni.

    My husband did not agree with me that there is racism in NZ against Asian until one day he saw how I was treated right in front of him at a bar.

    We never spoke about this, but I noticed that later when I mentioned how I was treated by service people, he didn’t deny it at all, but just listened and agreed uncomfortably.

    I was just about to order my drink, and the staff looked at me, but quickly asked to the right next person from me. And she never got back to me. So, I waited and waited until another friendly white (seemingly European- accent) staff served me. That was for the first time my husband saw it from behind me.

    Previously, I even had to defend myself from my husband defensive ‘no racism’ by service people, I felt so sad that I couldn’t get his support.

    It was not easy for me to accept that that was ‘racism’, because it hurt my ego that I am treated that way. That’s the reason I didn’t want to tell my children or initially even to my husband. Because, I felt like I was second citizen, and I am a 2nd citizen in NZ. I accept that and my anger is still there.

    • I do not want to hurt or make my children aware of racism too much. One teenage and one at uni.
      If your child gets into trouble as a result of a lecturer making a false accusation please don’t let that wrongdoer get away.
      As to your child becoming aware of racism, if they’re male they’ll wake up to it fast enough when they don’t get a date to the prom or have rumours spread about them relating to a derogatory stereotype.
      If female, they might hear “Me love you long time”.
      Whatever you do, please don’t believe “sit down, be quiet, do your work” will resolve that bullying.
      Being a “model minority” also means that you are discouraged from behaving in the way the majority does when angry. Think about that…

  160. Many of the money sucking social programs that National is now faced with maintaining and funding were put in place by the Labour government of “Uncle” Helen Clark.
    It would be dishonest to not include the more than decade of implementation of liberal socialist ideology.

  161. The STUPID NATIONAL govt WANTS your money! They are incapable of doing anything that does not have money at it’s key (“JOHN KEY”…Always shaken and often stirred but more frequently forgetful!) ask Sky City!

    • New Zealand had many of these problems before, and it was misleading migrants before as well. Just because Key isn’t waving a magic wand doesn’t mean he’s at fault for any of this.

      • I beg to differ. Though he may not have caused ALL our problems he has added to existing ones and tacked on several on of his own.

        • I personally feel as a migrant that New Zealand is and has always been very intolerant of immigrants. I’m an Indian male and I’ve lived in New Zealand since the age of 11. I immigrated with my mom 12 years ago and to this day, despite being a “kiwi” on paper and having a “kiwi” passport, I feel that I am still made to feel like I am “fresh off the boat” or more commonly a FOB by the majority of the NZ population. I don’t talk with a funny accent and my parents don’t own a dairy or drive taxis. My mother is actually married to a 3rd generation European New Zealander who is very much against racism and openly admits his own people are rednecks. In our first year of living in New Zealand I was constantly taunted about the colour of my skin, the food that I ate and the way I smelt. I would constantly hear words such as Curry Muncher, F***ng Indian or the N***er, Darkie, Stinky Paki etc directed to me personally. I actually find the term curry muncher quite ironic, especially considering the fact that many Kiwis love Indian food! My mother even experienced this herself personally in the business community, I which I find absolutely appalling. At the same time the World Trade Centre was supposedly attacked by Al Qaeda, so it just seemed natural that when I went to school the next day, I would be labelled everything under the sun relating to terrorism, which is just despicable.
          Over the years I have noticed that the number direct ethnic slurs has decreased, but I’m noticing more and more that racism towards immigrants still exists in a very indirect manner. The hostility that is felt when talking with local Kiwis is so obvious, it makes me wonder as to why they just don’t speak their mind. The funniest thing is though that most of the racism directed to me is from European New Zealanders, not from Pasifika or Maori. In fact, I have actually heard a lot of complaints from Pasifika and Maori about racism directed towards them from European New Zealanders, regardless of how long they have lived here.
          As a young Indian male I have found that it has been extremely difficult for me to develop relationships with kiwi women, more specifically white kiwi women. The only women I seem to attract are Indian or of various other ethnicities, but not European New Zealand women. I have asked this question to several people and the notion I get is that apparently Indian men are sleazy and chauvinistic hence the reason why women area not attracted to them. I was not let into a club in downtown Auckland due to the fact that they were sick of the complaints from women regarding sleazy Indian men. Now I personally feel that this is another form of racial stereotyping but others tend to think this claim is based on experience and fact, so I’ll leave that for you to decide yourself. I also find this quite fascinating as I seem to notice a lot of Kiwi European men in intimate relationships with women who are Asian, Indian, Pasifika, Maori and in some cases African just to name a few. I have many immigrant friends and they have all said the same thing, which is that they have been misled. A lot of immigrants come to NZ with the notion that Kiwis are warm friendly people. Unfortunately the reality is quite different. I have met other European immigrants who feel that local New Zealanders are uncouth, uncivilised, and just downright intolerable towards the majority of foreigners. Now I originally immigrated from a third world country which had its issues hence the reason for moving, but I can honestly say that for a so called first world country the general attitude and mentality of local Kiwis is very much third world. Ask any foreigner who has travelled further than Australia and they will say the same thing.
          Thank you
          Have a nice day 

          • The relationship scene in NZ is extremely nasty for most ethnic guys. I managed to be on the receiving end of some abrupt behaviour from someone who was a dux.
            Maybe they’ll change their mind about xenophobia once they’ve been through a cycle of either pregnancy, disease or abuse.
            Of course, the choice of whether you accept them then is yours to make.
            As someone said in the stuff website, “If there is a bowl of dip and other people take samples of it, can you still ask full price for it when it’s obviously not in pristine condition?”

          • Bro, let me tell you I am an Indian from India and the 3rd world country concept is created by the western media. We are no more a 3rd world country so to say. We have population that’s beyond Newzealands imagination. As far as European NZ women are concerned, they are entitled to their opinion and choice of men they want to date. You should be proud of your ethnicity and the nation you chose to live in. You are no less an Indian and global citizen than any of the so called people from the developed nations.

  162. A very interesting article on the same topic:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866445
    Takeaway quote:
    “So a migrant who brings in stocks and goods for retail to the tune of the required amount (NZD500,000) must hold on to them for two years before being able to sell them. That’s just nonsensical, absurd and wrong,” said Mr Delamere.

    Summary:
    Entrepreneur Plus

    What’s required:
    *$500,000 investment
    *3 fulltime jobs
    *2 years that the investment must be retained

    (Introduced in Nov 2009 to fast track residency of entrepreneur migrants)

    Do you think immigrants exceeding that amount in liquid cash will put their money in banks which give interest rates that are barely (if not) meet inflation rates? So they put it into property … and get told they are pricing locals out of the market. Seems more of the same, we want the money, we DON’T WANT YOU.

    • Migrants who enter the country under that scheme should be informed explicitly of the currently accepted interpretation of the requirements. If the scheme is not working (and in this specific case, the article gives the impression that it is not), perhaps the scheme should be done away with, or the requirements modified.

      I think that this scheme’s requirements make it quite clear that it is intended to be about investment and commerce, not getting one more immigrant to New Zealand.

    • They are asked to bring in the money so that the Kiwi banks and other institutions can use it. They lend it out and use it in other ways to cover their needs before allowing the migrant to liquidate the sum.

  163. What can I say to this????

    I am not a racist. I have never felt any racist thoughts toward ANY group of people.BUT I am also NOT an employer! I am subjected to the same whims of the workplace as you are!

    My son is a NZ’er, born of a NZ mum and a British father. He is a Uni-graduate and he can’t find a job!

    Perhaps we need to look at the govt more harshly.

      • You seem to miss her point, that in spite of being New Zealand born, he is unable to get a job (e.g. not only foreign students cannot get jobs).

        Is it oppression for the government not to put as much money into non-citizens as into citizens? It is, as far as I am aware, global practice to do so, so if you disagree with this practice, and you actually want it changed, you have a long road ahead of you.

        Of course, there are also Asian citizens of New Zealand who are entitled to the same benefit as him. In other words, New Zealand Asian citizens also have an advantage over Asian non-citizens of New Zealand, in New Zealand. This is wrong?

        If we had wanted to play Oppression Olympics, I should have tried to move to one of various countries in Asia or Africa already. I have no desire to be oppressed, but if I decided I wanted to move country, I would make sure that I was aware of any relevant oppression in that country, and that I thought I could bear such oppression, if necessary. If I thought I could not bear said oppression, I think I would only go if I had little choice.

        • In other words, New Zealand Asian citizens also have an advantage over Asian non-citizens of New Zealand, in New Zealand.
          Could we have a breakdown of people on the benefit by race in New Zealand? Thanks in advance :)

        • Is it oppression for the government not to put as much money into non-citizens as into citizens?
          Now where did I put the dollar I got from the NZ government?
          Oh that’s right … I never got it.
          Way to use red herrings.

        • If we had wanted to play Oppression Olympics, I should have tried to move to one of various countries in Asia or Africa already.
          I know, right? Those countries have white people in chains and sold as slaves.
          Oh wait …

      • Well he doesn’t want to leave New Zealand, even with a British passport.

        I totally agree with you on advantages new immigrants are not entitled to.

        I was not even vaguely looking for a game of “Oppression Olympics”. I totally agree that immigrants DO NOT get an easy ride in ANY form.

        I was just saying the ride is not always smooth to those born and bred either.

        This is a fairly crap country….Over the years we have tried to pull from socialism, PURE capitalism and a variety of weird combinations.

        Only the public are left worse off…..well immigrants are left off worst!

  164. Gosh this is a confronting read.

    I live in an of area of Auckland with a very large Asian presence (mostly Chinese), I live in the same house my Grandmother lived in 35 years ago. My local shopping centre/community was once an entirely Pakeha area. Twenty years ago a vibrant Pacific Island community arrived.

    In the last 10 (maybe 15 yrs) another ethnic move happened. A shopping centre of about 30 shops, now has two shops that are not Chinese or Korean and one of them is Countdown.
    This is not a good thing BUT a GREAT thing! There is barely an ingredient for any recipe that I want to cook that I can’t find less than five minutes drive from my house!

    Yes New Zealanders CAN be racist. Living with multiculturalism is very familiar to some but new and scary to older people. My own mother frequently says “Why don’t Chinese people know how car parks work!!”….and there IS a little truth to that statement. In the local shopping centre car park I frequently have to slam the brakes on as (usually) elderly Chinese people saunter in front of my car. Backing out of a car park is also hazardous. as someone speeds past BUT if you come from a city the size of Beijing it is easy to see why you GO when the moment arrives!

    I’m a pre-school teacher (in another part of Auckland) and my centre has a fairly high immigrant population. This population includes Indian, South African, European, British, Korean but mostly Chinese. .

    The reason we have a substantial number of immigrant children in our centre is because other families recommend us. They recommend us because we are totally inclusive. We are told this everyday. We are thanked by immigrant families for helping them negotiate Kiwi ways that they don’t instantly understand but want to adopt.

    After living overseas for many years myself (Yes I am a white NZer and I lived in Britain BUT it WAS a foreign country in sooooo many ways! I also lived in Greece, Egypt and Israel) I can relate to that ‘fish out of water” feeling.

    Please don’t automatically believe all Kiwi’s are racist……YES we have A-holes like EVERY country but I do not believe they represent the majority!

    • We are thanked by immigrant families for helping them negotiate Kiwi ways that they don’t instantly understand but want to adopt.
      Well, you may not be very good at helping those kids remember their lessons, if they don’t get jobs in NZ.
      Or maybe those kids went to the wrong universities, have unusual religions or support the wrong political parties or are the wrong genders or are too old or “are not the correct fit” or are “overqualified” or have the wrong skin colour?
      Whoops, I guess I listed down all the reasons that are illegal to discriminate against someone for a job … but happens because employers don’t list down why they do so.

      There’s a lot more to racism than fitting in at kindergarten.
      Usually … it’s to do with not being able to earn a living in the country you grew up in, despite having taken the path of others who do so, that succeeded despite doing even less than you did.

      • P Ray, just because employment is a big issue, it does not mean we should poo-poo people teaching at exceptionally diverse kindergartens and schools. But perhaps *you* do so anyway.

        There’s a lot more to racism than unemployment.

        But tell me: Would you employ someone who could not understand you, and who you could not understand? Most people wouldn’t and don’t.

        Yes, actual racism is an issue amongst employers. But I think a lot of what might seem to be racist employer practices, is not racism. I know Asians who have a good understanding of the language and the culture, and it seems that they have no more difficulty than a NZ European in finding employment (that is not to say that they have no difficulty finding employment).

        • Would you employ someone who could not understand you, and who you could not understand? Most people wouldn’t and don’t.

          You’re clearly not in touch with reality if you think the foreign students looking for employment who are university graduates, cannot communicate or write properly.
          Remember: your country considered them (and their grasp of English) good enough to let them in to either begin, complete or extend their studies.
          And if not, they were told to take the IELTS qualification (I’ve gone much further than that).
          Don’t turn around and play “I don’t know what’s going on”.
          I pooh-pooh teaching qualifications (not lecturer qualifications).
          The reason is simple: I’ve actually seen the syllabus.
          And when people say NCEA is an eyewash, who are the people promulgating that syllabus? You guessed it: the teachers coming out … who chose teaching because it was an easy degree.
          There are of course specialist subjects, e.g. physics, mathematics, science, geography, biology.
          But how many of your teachers do that?

          • Okay, so, presumably most foreign students speak decent English. But I am pretty sure most foreigners (however one is to define them) in New Zealand are not students, and it is clear from what I said, that I was not talking only about foreign students. I was also not questioning that racism might be a factor. I was saying that much that one might accusingly call racism, is not.

            Governing authorities in my country may have deemed their English good enough, but I have met (a small few) immigrants in New Zealand who can almost speak no English; and I have met many who cannot communicate fluently in English, and many more who have little understanding of the mainstream culture(s). Maybe further tightening the standards for immigrants coming into the country would do something to improve that situation…? Maybe we should stop encouraging immigrants to come here in the first place…? Maybe we should focus on post-arrival assimilation into society…? Maybe we should keep complaining about racism…?

            Okay, so, there are issues with NCEA, and some teachers push NCEA, and others object to it (and are pushed into it anyway). But it is clear that you were not pooh-poohing teaching qualifications. You were belittling her teaching at a racially diverse school where immigrant families thanked the school for helping them fit in.

            I myself don’t believe I know a single person who went for teaching qualifications because they thought it would be easy (and I know a fair few people who have recently finished training to be a teachers). The main reason amongst the people I know is a passion for helping and teaching children. But perhaps (probably) my social group is not representative of society as a whole.

            I don’t know exactly how many teachers do the subjects you mentioned; but one guy I know is going into teaching mathematics; and he said that there is a demand for mathematics teachers, because not so many people train to teach it, because they often train to teach things that they are passionate about, like art. He was able to find a job easily enough (because of the demand for mathematics teachers).

          • Teaching is an easy degree? Possibly the degree is easier than physics, maths etc but those degrees do no not include the most challenging part of a teaching degree….CHILDREN!
            So many people believe teaching is easy. Those people have never met a classroom of children,

            You dismiss teachers in the way that you hate being dismissed. Prejudice is fairly widespread.

            • @Kelly: when all shall have medals, and people are bumped up grades without having learnt … then I’d say teaching becomes easy … and those who stand up get smacked down.
              Doing things right … always puts you at odds with those who enjoy doing things wrong.
              http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/news/sacked-teacher-claims-bullying/1533928/
              A teacher claims she was bullied and unfairly dismissed from a prestigious Hawke’s Bay private school over alleged instructions to lie to parents about their children’s achievement.

              • “@Kelly: when all shall have medals, and people are bumped up grades without having learnt … then I’d say teaching becomes easy … and those who stand up get smacked down.”

                Try it for a day,,,one day and then proclaim it is easy.

                Also bear in mind the fact that teachers have NO control over what they are prescribed to teach. Good teachers just find an effective way to teach what is prescribed,

                New Zealand teachers are very good because they don’t rely on rote learning or “teaching to the test”> John Key will erode this though.

                • because they don’t rely on rote learning or “teaching to the test”
                  That’s true, because if they did teach to the test … more domestic students would be going to university. ZING!
                  It’s considered that primary and secondary education is primarily for socialisation … with the critical thinking usually happening at university.
                  Like the saying “Nobody cares how much you know, until they know how much you care”.
                  Man, caring people who can’t do their job …gotta have them around, eh?
                  Which explains why you can meet many people who got their jobs because of who they know … not what they know … and proceed to muck things up, or underperform.
                  Think about what could happen … if competent people got on with the job and were hired predictably.
                  Then again, disruptive people know how to get around obstacles and unseat monopolies.

          • P. Ray, here is where you are mistaken. New Zealand lets them into English programs and trains them, passes them, hands them a slip of paper saying their English or some other skill is good because NZ makes money in so doing. Not because the courses are actually producing good English speakers or people with some other marketable skill. If the courses are like any of the other schools in New Zealand, in fact, they are doing a poor job. These NZ education factories are degree mills. They churn out degreed individuals, but the degrees may have no practical value in the NZ economy. So over and above the prejudice these people have to overcome by simply being non-Kiwis, they have often paid big bucks for useless degrees..

            • Whew. Good thing I didn’t go to a polytechnic then, eh?
              On the flip side, you know you’re onto something good when over 90% of the people who enrol … fail to gain the qualification.
              World class standards … DEMAND world class levels of failure … because that’s the only way you know who the best are :)

    • Completely agree to that. I have an Indian friend living in Christchruch and she is all praise for nezealand except for the pay packages that are relatively smaller than even India. However, if newzealand wants to grow and become a better place, they need to accept multi culturalism and welcome immigrants. It’s an old primitive notion of the western countries that immigrants especially Asians are out there to snatch jobs and screw up their nations. On the contrary let me be honest, Asians are one of the richest people in the world and can be the biggest investors in the country. World is fast becoming one nation and one who accepts and goes beyond race and gender would grow,adapt and survive. Newzealand lawmakers should think about that.

  165. HYPOCRITES. Hypocrites IF all these people who distill their hatred and envy against New Zealand. Truly feel sorry, embarrassed laughter and the Chinese are exploited, abused and slaughtered by their own government’s infamous RED Politburo
    Slaughter Cultural Revolution Tiananmen Remember that? , large parts of China is polluted, air, land, destroyed the environment to achieve its development”” the Chinese are not free in their country, are slaves of totalitarian Communist government practiced capitalism paradoxically wildest and inhuman, Chinese settlers are known in Southeast Asia as cruel exploiters-greedy and greedy and very racist and ethnocentric = generations living in those countries Vietnam.-Thailand-Philippines have not been assimilated, they still believe Chinese, ”” foreign students come with that label to stay in the host country (Autralia-New Zealand-US-Canada) and achieve social benefits, is an unethical tactic. So do not come to give moral lessons, which have no EQUAL Koreans, a few years ago there was a case in Guam an entrepreneur” Korean” and his minions who tricked = propaganda, women’s groups bilked Vietnamese and Filipino, which forced them to work long overtime without recognizing the wages, were exploited labor, sexually harassed and humiliated, beaten and even a bully Korean Vietnamese killed one worker, speaking of massacres and violations made ​​by South Korean soldiers in Vietnam, contempt and arrogance of these Koreans and Chinese toward the native inhabitants of Southeast Asia, now looking to expand to other regions of the world and that causes rejection, and the victims are now ha ha haha, go elsewhere with their lies, the Western world does not need BYE.

    • Awkward…

      Okay, so Asia had and has issues, and some Asian countries more issues than other Asian countries, and some Asian countries have arguably more issues than New Zealand.

      The point of this site is that New Zealand also has issues (which are often not widely publicized – that is, some people come to New Zealand with unrealistic expectations (because they are not always given a realistic description of New Zealand), and are let down).

      Now, wouldn’t it be good if people coming to New Zealand had realistic expectations so that when they face difficulties, at least they were forewarned (and maybe better prepared because of the forewarning), as opposed to fairy-skipping into the place (and maybe in the process ridding themselves of their life savings) and being hit by the ten-ton weight of reality? I think being forewarned would be good.

      Kia ora.

      • Now, wouldn’t it be good if people coming to New Zealand had realistic expectations so that when they face difficulties, at least they were forewarned (and maybe better prepared because of the forewarning), as opposed to fairy-skipping into the place (and maybe in the process ridding themselves of their life savings) and being hit by the ten-ton weight of reality? I think being forewarned would be good.
        New Zealand doesn’t let “regular” as opposed to “refugee” immigrants in unless they show proof of savings enough to tide them over for some time.
        The problem happens when people have to leave their jobs in the home country to get one in the new one … then discover that they can’t.
        It’s usually an “all or nothing” situation when many people invest their savings and effort to going overseas and getting a job.
        Then they have been out of work in their home country for some years … and if particularly unlucky have gained citizenship in the new one … without having employment – making prospects for being hired in their old country, disappear … as they are no longer citizens.
        Plus all the while they’re in the new country, they are paying full fare for all products and services and maybe 4x the university fees of locals, until they become permanent residents/citizens.
        There’s a good reason things continue the way they do.

  166. For those justifying racism because they have this belief that immigrants refuse integration into NZ culture are delusional. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    This same excuse was used to justify why a friend of mine deserved racial abuse. I admit, her English was mediocre. What people didn’t realise was she volunteered a lot of her free time. She volunteered at the RSPCA, the museum and helped run community and fundraising projects. However, she has been insulted on many occasions for not integrating and not being “beneficial” to NZ.

    I have integrated into NZ society. My entire family has and so have the families of our friends. Please explain to me why I, my family and friends are the subjects of racial abuse. Why I do hear these phrases yelled at me?

    Ching chong
    Go home
    Get out of NZ

    Twenty five years I have been in NZ. I, nor anyone in my family has ever been on a benefit of any kind. My siblings and I didn’t even receive student allowances. None of us have criminal histories. We didn’t come to NZ rich. We live comfortably now due to years of hard work. My siblings and I had our first jobs at ages, twelve and thirteen. Can all “pure” Kiwis say the same thing?

    The most recent incident was when two children threw racial remarks at me. What astonished me more was the fact that their mother was with them and instead of reprimanding them for their behaviour, she laughed. Fifty years from now we will still be discussing these same issues.

    • Indeed, justifying racism by failure/seeming failure of an individual to integrate is not commendable, although using it as part of an explanation for racism or a racist reaction to certain happenings (happenings like the arrival of noticeably many immigrants), is another matter altogether, I think. An explanation not necessarily being the same as a justification… By your description of your friend, I would say that she seems to actively participate in New Zealand culture more than many New Zealanders do.

      I would suggest that you are subject to racial abuse because there are racists (in this case, in New Zealand), who are presumably racist because they are on some level dysfunctional, or for whatever reason do not perceive the truth clearly (because other people taught them to be racist by indoctrination, perhaps?), or simply consciously choose to be hateful and hurtful and racist. Though I’ve never actually met a person who I’ve known to be the latter of those.

      It’s awesome to hear that you’re contributing so much to New Zealand society – more than many New Zealand-born people, I would say. I sincerely wish that New Zealand society do as much for you, as you do for it. (What purpose does society have if it does not benefit its members?) I think many “pure” Kiwis can’t say the same things you have said.

      I remember as a child learning racial behaviour from other children, and there was certainly a mentality of particularly East and South-East Asians being “different” and “strange”. I’m thankful to say I’ve grown out of it. Having good Asian friends certainly helped.

      I dearly hope we’re not discussing the same issues in fifty years time. We aren’t right now discussing all the same things we were fifty years ago. Who knows?

  167. yea old post etc as a Ngāpuhi and always open for a battle, racist’s yea it’s real, kiwi sense of humour does mask a bit of it.. our albino cuzzie’s etc.I’ve had enuff but some thing’s don’t change.

  168. E2NZ :
    Sorry that you were bullied there and had to move countries twice. But what if most of the time people were only jesting?
    Please don’t denigrate the experiences of others by suggesting they have a sense of humour failure that you yourself suffer from.
    However unpleasant these things are to accept there’s no getting away from the fact that New Zealand has a bullying problem. It has a problem with domestic violence and a culture of brutality.
    Accepting that is the first step to eradicating it.

    Sounds like a recent troll on a certain forum.

  169. Don’t worry kiwis . We are breeding at a very fast rate than you think . Before you know it kiwis you are going to be a minority in your own country .Tough luck chappies

    • There is just one flaw in your plan.
      Who will your children marry?
      And even before that, will they be paid and recognised commensurate with their ability … or will there be an increase in taxi drivers with degrees?
      As I said … the population from overseas that discovers things lacking in New Zealand … build their subsequent careers elsewhere.
      So it doesn’t change much.
      What will change things … is when immigrants leave BEFORE they get stuck too deep … or after they have had an education at the fee rate of domestic students.
      It’s certainly very interesting that a lot of immigrants from overseas who don’t fit the “mind’s-eye-racial-attribution” of what makes a kiwi …
      are either not married … or don’t meet their partner in New Zealand.

      • What does “mind’s-eye-racial-attribution” mean? (Another term of “mentality”, but especially in respect to how mentality might be connected to culture?)

        If that is what you mean, then I would say that I am not at all surprised that people with significantly different cultural mentalities don’t tend to marry each other. I consider that to be not at all evil, in and of itself.

        • I am not at all surprised that people with significantly different cultural mentalities don’t tend to marry each other. I consider that to be not at all evil, in and of itself.
          Would you happen to be one of those colourblind people who can only dismiss what a person of a different race goes through because you enjoy the perks of “white privilege”?
          For your information, a basic global culture already exists, e.g. Money as a form of success, relationships as a form of success, job you have as a form of success.
          But for some people the starting point of achievement is other peoples’ perceptions of you … regardless of what you have actually done.

          • Is that a question seeking my answer, or a rhetorical question?

            If the first, I’d say no. I am very much aware that some people are mistreated/treated in a specific way because of their race/ethnicity; and I do not think that that is the way that it should be. I think all this “in spite of” my being “white”.

            If it is a rhetorical question, then I reject what it suggests (that is, that I dismiss the way some others are treated because of their race, because of my race and the way I am treated by some because of my race).

            You do know that in the context of racism, “colourblind” is usually used in a positive sense? “Colourblind” is usually used to mean “non-racist”.

            Also, I personally for myself do not accept what you have mentioned as globally accepted measurements of success (or at least, not beyond the point of having enough to live a healthy lifestyle, or in the specific circumstances of one’s specific desires being fulfilled; e.g. “you want lots of money+you get lots of money=fulfilment of that specific desire/success”), although I realize that they are commonly accepted as measurements of success. As far as I am concerned, those measurements of success are utterly shallow.

            I am aware that some people will not begin to achieve much until some people’s perception of them changes. That is sad, in my books. It is something I desire to be changed.

            But I am interested to know: Do you actually think that people with significantly different cultural mentalities having a tendency not to marry is actually an evil/problem in society? And do you think that it is not worth making a distinction between the %100 normal (in my opinion) difficulty that many people of significantly different cultures have in interacting with each other, and actual “you are an Asian and I am a European (and that is an important distinction to make)”-type racism?

            I am of the opinion that who a person marries is ideally an inter-personal issue; and the fact that many people tend to avoid marrying others of significantly different cultural mentality, is the last thing that I would cite as evidence of racism in society. I would, however, cite people’s tendencies to avoid marrying others of a different race, but of the same/a very similar cultural mentality, as evidence of racism (and by racism, I here mean “counting race as a significant factor”).

            That is to say, if you don’t marry someone because of perceived irreconcilable differences in cultural mentality, I have no problem with that, in general, at all. If you don’t marry someone because of their race, then I still think that is your own personal decision (and it’s probably a good thing that racists tend not to marry the people they’re racist against); but it shows a certain lack of clarity of perception and maturity, as far as I am concerned. It may also cause/be connected to other problems in society.

            For myself, I would not even try to marry someone of a significantly different cultural mentality. That is to say, if I desperately enough wanted to marry someone of a significantly different cultural mentality, then I would change my own cultural mentality to be more in line with theirs (I have no problem with culture/cultural mentality compromise, in general – actually, I think it is often necessary to make various kinds of relationships/inter-personal interactions work well). That having been said, I also do not object to people who think they can work through cultural mentality differences, marrying (as I said before, I have no problem with culture/cultural mentality compromise; and in my personal experience, every single successful/happily enduring intercultural marriage I have seen has involved compromise; actually, the same goes for every single successful marriage I have seen, as far as I can remember). It’s their decision, not mine. And I definitely have no problem at all with marrying someone of a different race.

            Sorry for lengthy response.

            • You do know that in the context of racism, “colourblind” is usually used in a positive sense? “Colourblind” is usually used to mean “non-racist”.
              To debunk your patronising notion (the world has moved on, you know)
              Examples of Racial Microaggressions:
              Theme:
              Color blindness
              Statements which indicate that a White person does not want to acknowledge race

              Microaggression:
              A therapist says “I think you are being too paranoid. We should emphasize similarities, not people’s differences” when a client of color attempts to discuss her feelings about being the only person of color at her job and feeling alienated and dismissed by her co-workers.
              A client of color expresses concern in discussing racial issues with her therapist. Her therapist replies with, “When I see you, I don’t see color.”

              Message:
              Race and culture are not important variables that affect
              people’s lives.
              Your racial experiences are not valid.

              • I was not aware that I was helping to spread a notion that the world has moved on, although it seems obvious to me that some people in the world have (moved on); and it also seems equally obvious to me that some people haven’t (moved on).

                Thank you for the example. It has helped clarify to me what you meant by “colourblind”. My impression is that you mean something like “discounting race as a (significant) factor”. Please correct me if I’m wrong in that impression.

                Would you agree with me that in the context, for example, of hiring an employee, it is actually good to discount race (as opposed to personality, the ability to communicate clearly, work ethic, character, etc.) as a factor in the decision to hire or not hire the possible future employee? (And if you do not agree with me, why not?)

                However, in the context of having a serious discussion with your therapist, or anyone else (myself included), about race/culture issues (in this example, in the client’s workplace), I definitely think(/agree with you?) that poo-pooing race and/or culture as an insignificant factor, is not at all helpful.

                But out of interest: What, of all the things I said, caused you to come to suspect that I was spreading the notion that racism was no longer an issue/”the world has moved on you know” (in your own words)? It would be good to know, to avoid repeating the same mistake (assuming I made a mistake – not all misunderstandings are the speaker’s fault, nor necessarily the hearer’s), because that it is not an impression I seek to give.

                Also, do you read my lengthy replies?

                • By “the world has moved on”, I mean that the old ways of mollifying people by treating them like children who are alien to your ways of thinking, is frankly getting old and people are getting sick of it.
                  It’s interesting that you assume that I’m a “she” (based on the example above).
                  What, of all the things I said, caused you to come to suspect that I was spreading the notion that racism was no longer an issue
                  When people mention colourblindness, I check their race.
                  No surprise they happen to be white.
                  Now … it’s interesting that those considered “top of the heap” on the racial totem pole of expectation of good treatment (and who get it) are the ones saying they are “colourblind”.
                  I get the feeling the more I speak on this,
                  the smarter I make racists … so they learn how to be covertly so, and not overtly racist.

                • P Ray:

                  (Please read my whole answer, to avoid further confusion.)

                  Ah, I thought you were saying *I* had said that “the world has moved on you know”. I thought people (well, adults, at least) were *always* sick of being treated like children.

                  By the way, what do you here mean by “…treating them like children…”?

                  I had absolutely no idea that the example you gave was about you personally. I assumed that the client in the example was a “she” because you used the pronoun “her” referring to her (or you, if indeed you are saying that client was you). For example, “Her therapist…” (you said it, not me). I would say that was a reasonable assumption based on the word you used.

                  Sorry, and who mentioned colourblindness first?

                  Do you realize it is racially stereotyping to assume that someone who mentions the word “colourblind” is white? I would ask you not to do this – I did not assume you were white when you first mentioned the word (and you mentioned it before me).

                  A person is only be considered “top of the heap” if *someone* does the considering. I say that that someone is not me.

                  Also, please do answer my question: Do you actually read my lengthy answers?

                  It seems to me by your answers that you do not.

                  And please clarify what you mean by the words “racist” and “racism” and “colourblind”, to avoid further confusion on my behalf. Many things you have said have confused me very, very much.

                  Thank you for having read the entire post (assuming you have).

                • P Ray:

                  (Please read the entire post.)

                  Actually, to bring some clarity to the situation, I will re-state everything I have (tried) to communicate in this discussion so far, as clearly as I can:

                  *I am not surprised people of incompatibly different cultural mentalities don’t tend to marry each other

                  *I don’t think that people of incompatibly different cultural mentalities tending not to marry each other (mutually), by itself, is at all bad

                  *Marriage is ideally an inter-personal issue (as opposed to a race issue)

                  *I do not condemn inter-cultural marriage

                  *The successful inter-cultural marriages I have seen have involved compromise (so that the cultural mentalities involved are no longer incompatibly different

                  *I am aware that there is racial discrimination, and I do not think it should happen

                  *Race should not be counted as a factor in the context, for example, of hiring or not hiring an employee

                  *Race and culture issues should not be taboo to discus

                  *I am aware that there are commonly accepted (materialistic and/or consumerist) measurements for success

                  *I personally do think that these (materialistic and/or consumerist) measurements for success are very good

                  *I have expressed doubt that you are actually reading my entire posts

                  *I have stated that many of the things you say confuse me very, very much

                  Do you take serious issue (that is, serious enough to make an issue of it) with anything in this list (barring the last item – that is not up for discussion, because I doubt you can disprove that I have been confused by what you have said)? If so, please explain.

                  (Thank you for having read the entire post, assuming you have. Please make sure you also read my entire previous post, before you reply. Thank you for your time.)

                • ^ I like that post of yours.
                  Straight talk. Far different than meandering through the fields of semantics like a bee buzzing about.
                  As you have probably guessed, I do not give much truck to what people “say” about being “colourblind”.
                  I have much greater satisfaction … watching how they act.

  170. I find that the real racism comes from the foreigners…
    As a matter of fact racism is a 1000 times worse in Asian countries.

    • Elmo, you are a prime example of racism in New Zealand and you don’t even realise it. Don’t you feel any embarrassment at all for what you’ve written, not even the slightest glimmer of realisation that a country populated by people like you may not be a very pleasant place to love?

  171. I am from Iran and came to NZ in 1988. Only purpose my family and I left Iran was because of the Iran-Iraq war and we never had NZ in our destination, it simply came as accidental that at that time NZ was taking people abroad.
    I grew up here, and yes not all people are bad but overall I view the mindset of white people here as disturbing.
    Reality is New Zealand is a small farming country at the bottom of the planet, it really has not much to show except for sheep and lamb and on the world stage it has a small presence.
    Whether kiwi’s like it or not that the reality.
    Even people from overseas, Europe and Americans whom I met in NZ say that NZ other than nature has nothing else and these people have often laughed about it.
    All kiwi’s have to say is that they are white or from European decent, which is funny because Europeans that I spoke to dont want to relate to NZ in any way.
    In terms of NZ economy, it has little in manufacturing and lot of its trade is from Asia, and even then NZ is in deep debt. Without Asian trade NZ would be shot back into the 70’s.
    I met an American guy some years back who was a nice man, he told me he came to NZ for holiday and he found the talking manner of people in NZ amusing.
    He told me that he was in a conversation to a kiwi and this kiwi was rambling on about NZ and the American man told this kiwi guy, do you know how small you are on the world stage?
    And after that the kiwi guy was silent. lol…
    And speaking of first world country, in reality NZ isnt a first world country as its economy and GDP is equal to Spain and housing quality and standard of living is very average except for the few rich.
    Actually many things in NZ are old, cars on average are 12 years old and most things are expensive as 90% of goods are imported.
    All you have to do is go across to Australia to see the massive gap between wealth in NZ to Australia.
    My cousin who is a German came to NZ some years ago and he said all he hears from kiwi’s is oh this place is pretty or there is a nice beach there…why would you take credit for god’s creation, something that was here before you ever settled here, lol..
    These are facts of NZ and because kiwi’s have little to do or show for, when they dont have much all they can do is become racist to few asians or middle easterns that have immigrated to NZ. If anyone wants to challenge this, please come forward..lol

  172. NZ government have to do business with foreigners as the majority of NZ income comes from the main industry of the country which is tourism & international students, beside the horticultural & agricultural. Then the big amount of money that NZ earns from foriengners feeding Kiwi people and NZ country. Your government propaganda seem to welcome Asians when NZ knows that we’re money resources for Kiwis, eventually native people in NZ pits us off at the end. Well . . . What go round will come round, Kiwis will need to aware of what you have done to us now because it can be impact your reputation and credit across countries.

  173. I will study in NZ for two years. I’m a chinese indonesian (with dutch descent), should I be worried about this racism issue? it’s not that apparent right?

      • woah that’s shocking. and here from what I read, racism is not big issue in the NZ. I will study in palmy though, hopefully I wont encounter one. thanks for the arning.

        • from what I read, racism is not big issue in the NZ. I will study in palmy though, hopefully I wont encounter one. thanks for the arning.
          You will not encounter much overt racism.
          You will encounter a lot of covert racism.
          e.g. Software study supplies that you were not informed about, contacts and lab resources that you didn’t know existed ,,, and you may probably also be told a pack of lies by students in your cohort about what they are studying or where they apply for jobs or inadequate/ineffectual Career Centre guidance for resume improvement or work applications.
          But everyone lives their own life and has to experience things themselves.
          Remember that over the period of time that you lodge an expression of interest or your work permit … you CANNOT work until it comes back in the affirmative.
          Of course, you can still work the hours as specified in your passport based on your study in NZ when you are still a student.

    • if i were you..dont take a risk..you can study in other countries while not experiencing racism… i work at a call center in an asian country..and our customers are NZers!… on the phone..they keep at shouting at you..onset of the call..they were angry at you and say bad things about you and the way you speak when in fact..your just doing a customer service job for them… we are experiencing racism over the phone ..what more if we go to NZ… that’s why i never dream to go there even if its the only beautiful country left..but with that kind of people..well..never mind

      • I dont really mind it though since I receive scholarship from NZ government. also being chinese indonesian, we are tough ones since we have experienced open racism for decades in indonesia. I’m sure I could endure any possible racism in NZ, again. hopefully I will encounter none though!

  174. Hi,

    I am reading all along here as I was searching for info about living in NZ. Let me give everyone here some background of myself. I am from HK, a Chinese, got plans to further my master degree studies in NZ coming academic year. Wish to seek for job opportunities in NZ as well.

    I will need some insights from all on whether I should give NZ a try or say in my own city.

    I have been to New Zealand earlier this year, as a tourist, people were nice, with close-to-nature environment, definitely fascinating for city people. I understand tourists see all good things of a country, but what I read here looks far worse than what I can imagine.

    As HKer, I know how frustrating it is to have emigrants from mainland all around. Flat and store prices are now sky high; vacancies in hospital for labouring, schools so occupied that we have far less opportunities, our welfare are abused by them. But there are some emigrants we respect as they stand on their own feet, hardworking and nice.

    So basically how far racism goes and what problem I may face as a Chinese female in NZ is what I want to know. Thanks.

    • Not being a Chinese person myself, I can’t say exactly what kind of racism you might experience.

      Racist jokes are not uncommon in New Zealand (usually targeted at Australians, Maori, Irish, Pacific Islanders, or Asians), albeit I believe they are usually not malicious, and are intended to be funny. But there is a certain amount of actual hostility/dislike towards Asian immigrants, from some people.

      Asians are definitely considered by some to be particularly foreign (as opposed, for example, to a European British person being “less foreign”).

      I don’t remember having witnessed anyone racially abusing someone to their face in NZ, but I don’t doubt that it might happen.

      I myself do know some people who are disgruntled with the number of Asians in New Zealand. Most of the racism is in attitudes – some New Zealanders feel like they might be made foreigners in their home, or are overwhelmed by the number of Asian immigrants in recent years (sometimes called “the Asian Invasion”). There are sizable Chinese and Asian communities especially throughout Auckland, but also elsewhere in NZ.

      For many people in New Zealand, China has a reputation for producing lots of cut-corner, poor-quality products. But I haven’t found this reputation being applied to Chinese people, ever.

      If you speak English with an “accent”, you may find it difficult to make friends with people who only speak English (the majority of New Zealanders only speak English). If you speak English noticeably less well than a native speaker, you will definitely be avoided by some people.

      If you did come, I would strongly recommend making sure you found a group of people you could socialize with. Actually though, many students in university in NZ are from overseas, so maybe that might not be a problem.

        • What is a fair contribution towards a person being entitled towards a pension?
          Provide those numbers, otherwise all those statements are just thinly disguised racism.
          P.S. The benefit, given to those that do not work – are they entitled to it, especially if they’ve never worked?
          P.P.S. Was the foreign child, who now provides for their parents, overcharged for all the courses, qualifications and certifications compared to a local person doing the same?
          So why not the parents recoup the contribution of the child?

          Looking forward to your entertaining and (hopefully) carefully thought out response.
          Yes, I’m aware that anyone can claim to be any ethnicity on the Internet. :)

      • I am amazed how people would think they would receive Hermes’ quality with a dime. You may ask any person who works in fabric industry about craftsmanship of China. Many of those cut-cornered stuff you see are the products of foreign company, which indicates that the decision of using inferior material and craftsmanship is permitted by the company rather than workshop itself. Only tools would pay for goods that dose not meet the standard. So why did you blame on Chinese workers? And also, it’s not hard to find quality clothes made by Chinese, if you just spend a little bit more – You get what you pay for. Notice that Chinese also produce luxury goods and those would be sent to Italy to sew on one or two buttons on then it would become Made in Italy, it is not even a news in industry, luxury company always try to convince you that your pricey stuff is made by an old Italian man who lives next to the river who has been making leather goods for 30 years and yes because people buy into that.

  175. Sorry that you were bullied there and had to move countries twice. But what if most of the time people were only jesting?

    Please don’t denigrate the experiences of others by suggesting they have a sense of humour failure that you yourself suffer from.

    However unpleasant these things are to accept there’s no getting away from the fact that New Zealand has a bullying problem. It has a problem with domestic violence and a culture of brutality.

    Accepting that is the first step to eradicating it.

  176. New Zealand is full of rednecks, the accents are awful, and they think their country is special because it’s mostly full of boring flora and fauna, and because they have a supreme rugby team. Most New Zealanders are ignorant as they haven’t even set foot outside of the country and don’t know shit about the beauties of the world other than their small, isolated island. They’re mostly racist and highly sensitive about their culture as well since they’re jingoistic, nationalist morons, therefore if you don’t like crappy homegrown Kiwi music or you ridicule something about them, they’ll scorn you with the old redneck phrase “well if you don’t like it you can get aouut!”. There are many good things about New Zealand, but unless you’re coming here to retire or for a holiday, get out as soon as you can, I’m finishing uni here soon and I can’t wait to leave.

    • Hi, Thanks, May I ask how are you leaving this small minded pathetic over hyped racist country? Did you find a job or something…what country and what did you study in Uni. I ask because I have a small savings, uni drop out and in a similar situation.

  177. I agree, one day they will. Ideally, those days should not come, thoguth…better world by that time. :-)

    Here’s my other observations.

    I haven’ really been paying attention to media report. How they report things related with Asia…

    I’ve looked some articles by stuff.co.nz and learned that this is the same network with Dominion (Wellington base). There some differences between stuff.co.nz vs. NZ herald (Auckland base) with the same incident.

    Don brash affair with Diane Foreman – Stuff seems to be very favorable of Diane Foreman. NZ herald reported her more in detail (not a good side as well).

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/new-year-honours-2011/6203520/Diane-Foreman-becomes-companion-NZOM

    Unfortunately, I couldn’t find again the article that I read from stuff about how Don Brash met his singaporean separated wife (implying affair – and it seemed it was an affair). – since I couldn’t find the article anymore, I can’t insist that it was from Stuff…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10401572

    Here, I learned how Diane Foreman met his wealthy husband. (also it seems to me an affair or at least there was something going on…) Stuff does not mention the details of details that they revealed about Don Brash’s wife, but just praises how Diane Foreman woman is doing great as if she had achieved from the scratch. In my view, this woman seems to be a family wrecker (see. her relationship with Paul Henley also I’m guessing from the article how much she might have caused pain to the dying wife of Bill Foreman.) Stuff seems just love her.

    Stuff’s reports on the golfer David Smail seems also biased.

    David Smail

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/4092418/David-Smails-former-lover-A-woman-scorned

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/4092254/Jilted-lover-haunts-top-golfer-David-Smail

    My view is that he got into this extra marital relationship, too. But, there was no criticism about him, but ridicules this Japanese woman and even published her photo. It ridicules her accent/speaking as well. How many Kiwis can speak Japanese language?

    Lately, there was Samsung vs Apple court decision over copyright.

    Stuff didn’t updated of the latest court decision and left it with previous one whereas this was one of the top news of BBC on the day. And NZ herald reported this, but not on Stuff or Dominion post. – Obviously, this was not a big news for the editor of Stuff. I may be wrong, I wonder whether they reported somewhere very small print that I couldn’t find?

    I typed Samsung vs apple on Stuff search site.

    The first one that comes up is this.

    Apple triumphs over Samsung in US court

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/7547438/Apple-triumphs-over-Samsung-in-US-court
    And on the third,

    Samsung wins court case against Apple

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/7250648/Samsung-wins-court-case-against-Apple

    NZ Herald
    Apple told to apologise for Samsung statement
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10844572

    BBC
    Apple ordered to re-write ‘inaccurate’ Samsung statement

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20165664

    My view about NZ media also has been changed since yesterday after having found these articles and it has been confirmed that my effort of trying to see NZ society/media to be fair/or try to be fair towards Asian.

  178. For a long time, about 15years, my assumption that New Zealanders are very friendly and there is no/hardly any racism in this country made me not see the reality of daily racism that I encounter these days when I go for shopping. Previously, I simply was blinded and did not see it.

    I started to notice how New Zealand shop assistance/manager, check out counter simply ignore Asian customers. They do not greet Asians while greeting all other customers, try hard not to serve Asians by letting other staff deal with Asians. I mean not all, but many people do.

    Since I noticed this, I started feel like a 2nd citizen in this society.

    However, this simple racism seems not recognised easily even among Asians. Like how I did not noticed it previously, I’ve noticed that even my Asian friends have never noticed it and treated me as if i was ‘too sensitive’. After some time, one of them told me that similar incident happened to her and she started to open up her eyes. It leaves only ‘hurt’ though. I was happier when I didn’t notice the discrimination.

    – I went into a shoe shop that was well known in this city for a family business over 50years. I’ve been there several times, but noticed that I was never greeted while seeing all other customers were greeted when they came in. On this day, I tried a couple of boots that I was interested in. No one served me so I left the booths holder(inside the boots thing) next to the boots after trying them out, I put the boots back, but didn’t put the inside things back into the boots. Soon, one of the shop assistant passed by me and said (without looking at me) quietly, “You should put the things in.” (Not exact words, but this meaning is implied). Then, I got really cross and said also quietly, “I think this is your JOB to do, isn’t it?” And then I started to complain to her of their service. She said, do you want to talk to my manager?” So, I did. The manager who is one of the family members of this small shoe shop said literally , “Are you mad?” (against my racism remark). The manager accepted (not apology) that her staff definitely did wrong, but she still didn’t accept that it is part of racism. And she insisted that they hire Asian worker as well. So, they are not racist. In the end the nervous shop assistant who went away came back to us and apologized to me and told her boss that what she said was true. But, the manager insisted that there was not racism in the context and she said, “Maybe you are invisible!” – I hope the shop lasts another 50years.( You know I’m joking. ;-)).

    I asked the hop assistant if she would have ever said the same thing to a white customer. She couldn’t say anything.

    There are many simple invisible racism/discrimination that I can see now. I don’t know how to deal with this without getting hurt too much. Maybe one slowly starts to just accept the reality…that I am 2nd citizen in this society.

    • I’ve noticed that even my Asian friends have never noticed it and treated me as if i was ‘too sensitive’
      Your Asian friends are trying to “buy good” of people who are racist towards them.
      (I was told by a female Asian Residential Assistant at university, that racism was just “people playing the fool”)
      Not to worry, let them finish their education …
      when the time comes for the job market,
      or even to interact for the purposes of building families,
      … their eyes will be opened wide enough to see that you were right.

  179. My wife (Chinese) and I lived in Taiwan and other countries in Asia for years. After experiencing lots of racism – no ability to get a passport, vote, credit card, protection of the law, discrimination against us and our children etc. we came to NZ. Yes, there is racism, but at least we can both have citizenship, as can our children, we can have bank accounts, our kids can go to public schools, we are protected under the law, and we can have any job we wish if we are good enough. And we have good jobs here. Our kids can be what they want. Racism is no good anywhere. It happens everywhere and it is not good. Stop racism everywhere.

    • Hello Chen_New, please can you clarify where you are when you say “here” as it appears that your profile is placing you in T’ai-pei, Taiwan.

    • no ability to get a passport, vote, credit card
      Passport and vote are tied to your CITIZENSHIP.
      Whether you get a credit card is tied to whether you have a steady INCOME (I do believe they ask for payslips – and there is a minimum amount).
      Hey, I didn’t get a credit card in NZ – DISCRIMINATION!
      You didn’t mention anything about being permanent residents – which is the first step to getting citizenship – it isn’t handed to you on a platter, you know, and takes time.

      I would like to know, besides NZ … where a permanent resident can vote,
      and where in the world you can get a credit card – when you don’t have a job?

      we can have bank accounts
      I’d definitely like to know more about this place/places, where you can’t have bank accounts. The investment profile must be rather … dismal.

      There are 52 countries in Asia, in which ones were you treated so badly?

      • Its a shame that people limit their life options to whether they get citizenship or bank accounts or credit cards or even jobs..Racism in true sense means that someone does not have any respect for you due to your origin of birth. While you may consider it a previlage to have these after being denied in other countries (unsure why someone would deny you a bank account).

        There are many who come to countries like NZ not so that they can get all these things, but so that they can have quality of life. When you are insulted and treated with hostility every day of your life, having PR or ability to vote or bank accounts seems much meagre. However, the country thrives on all those who consider it to be a previlage to have these things.

        In short, apart from the natural beauty- the country does not have anything to offer at this stage. It is only good for people who feel ‘grateful’ and do any jobs and live in misery just for the so-called PR or citizenship.

  180. Ever heard of an anti-racism campaign that targeted any group other than people of European descent as “racists?”
     
    All anti-Whites ever do is make excuse after excuse to turn every White country into a non-White country. 

    All anti-Whites ever do is rationalize and justify White children living as minorities in every country their ancestors built. 

    All anti-Whites ever do is justify genocide of White children, and only White children.
     
    Anti-racism is a codeword for anti-White. 

    whiterabbitradio.net

    • See
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/julie-middleton/news/article.cfm?a_id=100&objectid=10118242
      Foreign workers face battle to win jobs
      By Julie Middleton

      “Maori raters imposed ethnic penalties as did Pakeha. However, Asian raters judged Asian and Pakeha applicants similarly.”

      So, don’t worry, it’s not just “people of European descent” in NZ that are racist – as usual,
      it is “racists in NZ, that are racist”.
      P.S. If for some reason your birth rates are below replacement level, you might perhaps want to take it up with the women of your country, and ask them why they are choosing to not have babies, to live up to David Lane’s Aryan supremacy 14 words: “We must secure the existance of our people and a future for white children.”
      Bonus points to you if you can get it without the cooperation of the rest of the world … that isn’t European.

  181. I don’t give a sh** if some local idiot shows racism towards me…i just think he is a fool and because of too many fools like him his country need talented people like us from overseas. at least thinking that way makes me do my work better and i actually feel more superior than him. There is no doubt my new country (nz) has some racist idiots but there is no shortage of good and welcoming ppl over here!!! So if one idiot tells you to go back to your own country, just think he is just one idiot who is good for nothing and is jealous of you. Anyways he has no power to kick you out from this country so his stupid comments has no weight… the country needs you and thats why you have been granted a citizenship:) There is no doubt nz will have lots of overseas population in future and thats a fact. The modern nz will be a mix of asian ( inc indian , arabic, chinese), european, maori and pacific culture, not just maori and pakeha culture- its a fact and we must respect each other.

    • You will either have to:
      1. “go back to your own country” if you cannot find a job in your field as an immigrant that is on the skills shortage list to get your longer stay approved, or
      2. “become an illegal immigrant” if you decide to become an overstayer.
      3. have the funds to survive without a job for some years including the costs of the expression of interest and hope it works out, then worry more about the future.

      They don’t need “power to kick you out”.
      They just need to ignore, downplay or exclude your achievements in NZ when your resume lands on their desk.
      The bodies of government then get involved when your time is up or you decide to move on.
      It’s really quite simple.

  182. Hey just sharing my experiences from living here all my life. I am asian and i was born here in NZ. I have been alive here for around 20 years and i can tell you i have had experiences that i consider now a normal part of my life. School life was hell, i would be racially abused atleast once a month but never physically, I made good friends. The thing is all this abuse has made me mentally ill, i find it so difficult to look or speak to a white person because i am so afraid of the racial abuse i might recieve. My teacher would always tell us that life gets better, Hell no if you look different and below average in their eyes, your fked. I got my first job at a supermarket, my god the customers are ****ing disgusting. Alot of these ***holes think i cant speak or understand english so they think they have the right to say abusive things and get away with it. Luckily i am a person who just ignores it and walks away. I am now studying in higher tertiary and i dont think i want to work in this place when i graduate. in my opinion the adults are far worse than highschool. However not everyone is so narrowminded. I have made many white friends and still hang out with them. These adults are mostly uneducated average ****head citizens. I wish i was never born here and i wish i had the money to leave. The lifestyle here is really good compared to countries such as china and india. However there are times i just feel like i would rather work 1$ a day in a factory then deal with alot of ***holes.

    • I think its more about them finding any excuse to bully! There is an absolute culture of bullies in NZ. Maybe the only discipline applied to kids is bullying and mind games by parents in the absence of corporal punishment! Very little direct honest communication but lots of bullying and manipulation as a relationship style. Lets face it, with one of the highest suicide rates in the world, they not exactly sane and happy folk are they?

      • I think you’re probably right. There is a heck of a lot of bullying that goes on (in New Zealand, but also elsewhere – think Amanda Todd) racism is one facade for it. There are a ton of others (whether you have enough money or too much, whether you are uneducated or too educated, whether or not you use a bicycle to get around, what sports you play, how large your nose is, what swearwords your name rhymes with, what neighbourhood you live in, etc.)

        Note: I have not experienced most of these facades for bullying, but I am aware of all of them.

        Sadly, I think a lot of NZers school life is hell. Kids can kill, really.

  183. Hello all, I happened to listen to the Newstalk ZB radio on 9 October 2012 at 1235 am and was surprised that the DJ made a racist comment when a female listener called Sue called up and told him about the costs of living these days as compared to paying only $10 a week in rent in earlier times.
    Then, Sue said she cooked rice and ate the rice with some vegetables for 2 or 3 days to be thrifty. And guess what the DJ said….`’You will be getting slanted eyes soon’. If we have a public figure who makes such derogatory comments on the Asians I assume, the racist ball gets thrown around….’ I have heard of this stereotyped remark made to Asians as rice is their staple….Someone might want to make an official complaint but I won’t waste my time…they might delete that part of the recording.

  184. I (a multi-generational European-ancestry-only NZer) volunteered at a ESL class a while back. Loved it. Sure, most of them spoke poor English. But they were trying (and gradually succeeding), and they were friendly and hard-working.

    Sadly, it can cause friction when a person from another culture does something absolutely out of place in our own culture. It does tend to cause disruption, but patience and general benevolence goes a long way to battle the ill-will it can cause.

    I myself am quite multi-lingual (I speak German, Spanish, and Old English to a decent degree of fluency, and I am learning also Mandarin Chinese, Maori, Dutch, and Quechua). I am learning Maori to show respect for the tangata whenua, and because it’s one thing maybe I can do to ease race relations.

    It is miserable that so many people (of all kinds of ethnic backgrounds – I certainly don’t feel the love from a certain portion of Maoridom) have racial hatered for/prejudice against others. It’s definately not just New Zealand, and I don’t think New Zealand is even especially bad. China (look up Lou Jing), USA, Australia, Europe, Africa, etc., all have supply enough of racist-minded people. Believe it.

    I would like it if more Maori acknowledged their non-Maori ancestors. It annoys me when I hear something along the lines of “…your ancestors (raped the land)…” when the ancestors in question are, in fact, shared ancestors.

    Some popular-enough myths (like that the Moriori lived on mainland NZ before the Maori and were slaughtered by Maori – that latter part was true, but they didn’t live on the mainland) probably don’t help Maori-with-non-Maori race relations.

    Off topic, but have any other cyclists experienced abusive drivers (e.g. the ones who go out of their way to roll down their window and swear at you and tell you to get off the road)? Apart from the little racism I’ve experienced from afar in NZ, that kind of experience has helped understand what suffering racist hatered feels like… Ugh.

    I think maybe the name of this page should have been “New Zealand is still a really racist country”.

    To a less racist future!

  185. Every person of every nationality has, at some point, been treated in some form of racist manner or other.
    I’ve lived in NZ for 30 years, I was a kid when we emigrated from the UK.
    I lived and went to school in Mt Wellington, Auck in the early 80’s and lived on a street where the Samoan, Tongan, Cook Island, and Maori families fought amongst themselves almost constantly.
    My Indian next door neighbour was beaten up by the local ‘Maori boys’ for being a ‘wog’
    I was spit on, had my hair pulled, pushed into the street, and chased home from school by the Maori girl across the street…her mother chased me from the park next to her house brandishing a machete while calling me a ‘little white bitch’ because the swing was squeaking too loudly!
    As a teenager I had a school desk thrown at me by a Tongan girl because I ‘looked’ at her boyfriend, I was pushed into the school pool and held under the water in a case of mistaken identity by a Maori girl who thought I was the ‘Pakeha slut’ who screwed her boyfriend!
    When I did have a Maori boyfriend, I received constant abuse from other Maori, not other Pakeha!!
    I’ve now married into a family that considers themselves to be white (they are mostly 1/8th and 1/16th Maori) but my brother-in-laws wife is a Maori girl who is constantly having digs, and sneering at my kids when they speak maori, do kapa haka, wear their pounamu. She tells me and them that we are diluting her culture and bringing shame to her people…are you fricken kidding me?!?!

    I take pride in the fact that I AM A KIWI
    I ALWAYS try to use Maori language correctly and appropriately, and I treat EVERYBODY with a level of respect that I haven’t always received in return and yet I, the immigrant, the Pakeha, am the one who is racist?!?!!

    This country WAS NOT built by one race alone…and some ‘minorities’ need to remember that!!!

    • ^ Can identify with that effort of “making attempts to get along” and being treated with contempt.
      Then, you’re racist if you point out the bad treatment. Wassupwiddat?

  186. yeah. i came back to Korea 4 yrs ago and i still miss N.Z somehow but wat da writer said is so true.
    i did undergraduate degree in Vic in Welly and while m studying i was furious and dissapointed with attitudes some kiwis n maoris showed.
    they cursed on me when i walk on da street with ma fds n we were doing nth but walkin.
    like “f***ing Asian just go bk to ur country”. some threw da cans, eggs, even bottles. sometimes dey threaten me n ma fds by chasing us. even kids followed me n ma Asian fds n said sth bad. i dnt no y. i hv done nth bad or illegal.

    becuz of da tuition fee we pay(which is at least 4 times expensive dan domestic Ss), dey
    get free or cheaper education, n becuz of da money we spent on their country, dey can grow their economy. wen i stayed in dere, ma family often came n bought so many things, n me either. other asians also contribute N.Z economy.
    dey do not consider dat fact but just blame Asians to tk over their country.

  187. New Zealand is a great country, and that’s a fact. But like every country there are something’s that they all struggle with, and I do agree with you. Racism is one of them. 7 years ago I was adopted by my aunty and her white partner. At the age of ten it like a dream come true to come into a new country and start a new life, but nothing prepared me for the cruelty I greeted with when I started school. I am a PI (Samoan) and my mum now is Samoan too, but she and her husband prefer the white culture predominantly. I was brought up speaking properly, and went to an all-white school and still am. In intermediate I was not accepted at all, everyday young kids around my age would walk up to me and say “go back to your own country you brown buga” to my face. Every day was hard I was either greeted with a inappropriate statements or sworn to with my own language. However I never thought that these experiences I was having as a ten year old would ever last up till now. I understand the feeling of not being accepted just because of your race, or your colour but the funny thing is now I am a seventeen year old I don’t get racist comments from the white community I get them from my own. Growing up in a predominantly white family has really changed me. I don’t have an islander accent, and I hold myself differently from how many other island kids do. The white no longer laugh at me instead it’s the brown saying things like “you wana be white!” the truth is racism is present everywhere and sadly in New Zealand as well.

  188. This is the white person dream: Immigrants who work hard for them, get paid a lot less but pay a lot more tax, don’t mind getting beaten up or abused, stay to themselves as much as possible (segregation is the best solution) and NEVER inter-marry with them.

    That would make them the most happy. Actually no, the happiest they’d be is if we went back to slavery, except we didn’t complain about it. Whip us, kills us, lynch us.

    What kind of animals are you? Get over yourselves.

    • That is not this white person’s dream. That is not the dream of many white people.

      I would find it incredibly horrible, miserable, and disturbing to witness, let alone inflict, the damage you stereotype me (according to my race) as wanting to do.

      And I have no problem with inter-race marriage. Many of my friends or acquaintances are in inter-race marriages.

      I’m not an animal, and neither are you. Some would say we are animals. I don’t.

      It’s a good idea to think before you type, or even while you type, eh?

  189. Any immigrant reading this true life judgement would have to think twice about migrating to NZ….

    Editorial: Judge leaves himself wide open to criticism
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10830934

    White offender + white judge versus Korean immigrant

    The perception is that immigrants will get no suppport there with the Kiwis telling them `Get out of my way`’ and you will be treated like an ant to be trodden upon and limping your life away there.
    Does’t the banker at his level know about priorities and postponing a music recording appointment?
    Poor Mr Kim who has been badly hurt, separated from his family and yet has to continue struggling….

    • If mind has got a form then these kiwi minds look exactly like a kiwi bird.. Very small means narrow minded, looking down means ignorant! They don’t want to look around.. adding to that they are stressed, intolerant and incompetent… Its one of the nature’s weird creations, no race in the world will have these much of negative qualities…!!

  190. John says: “I work in a company in NZ that has a large proportion of Indian and Chinese workers, not one of them would have experienced an ounce of racism or been abused/groped etc in the way that the above refers to.”

    Perhaps the employees don’t want to burden their employers with any of their personal troubles, want to get their job done and move on.

    From what I’m reading, I think it’s completely plausible that New Zealand is an awful place to work for talented Asians (I have no idea why they wouldn’t opt for the US like the Bay Area). I’ve heard similar things about places in Australia from my family living there. I believe it was Nouriel Roubini, the economist, who is predicting Europe to be the playground for Chinese and Indian investors. In the scheme of things, New Zealand is a tiny island compared to the value that Europe brings. I suspect New Zealand will be bought and made civilized by rich investors in the not too distant future. Probably last in the list of priorities though. Perhaps your bank AZN sees the same future.

    • I have no idea why they wouldn’t opt for the US like the Bay Area
      Apparently what some companies do for foreign talent to gain the H1B visa, is to have them sign over 90% of their wages in exchange for placement.
      Or fraudulently represent the talents, based on racial stereotypes, e.g. “All Asians are good at math”.So-called “Positive racism” is also a problem.

  191. New Zealand is an atheist country, so why are people surprised that it’s so racist? Just like how Sweden, Denmark, and every other atheist country is extremely racist.

    To all the racists in NZ don’t worry, you have lots of atheists their to protect you from being criticized for being racist so you’re free to be as racist as you want!

    • I dunno, I didn’t see a lot of faces with different shades at the churches.
      They were either almost completely ethnic – or almost completely NZ-er.
      Nothing in between.
      For an “atheist country” as you say, they sure have a lot of religious holidays, e.g. Saint Patrick’s Day, Christmas break …
      I think at some level some people living there still believe that the “coloreds shouldn’t mix with their betters”.
      It’s reflected in the gender skew in interracial marriages.

      • I saw this atheist group at the University I attend, everyone there was White, the place was like a White supremacy organization.

        Sweden, Denmark, and New Zealand are all atheist countries and they are the most racist countries in the entire world.

        The racism in these countries is directly caused by the atheist population.

        What the atheist population specifically causes is a lack of opposition and criticism towards racism.

        Since there’s no criticism or opposition towards racism people are free to be as racist as they want.

        The atheist community has remained silent in opposition towards racism so we know where they stand on the racism issue.

        I mean we know where atheists stand on things like gay rights, abortion, and Intelligent Design.

        • That’s funny, ’cause I saw religious people behave in very patronising ways towards people not of their race, while in New Zealand.
          Being religious no more makes you good, like being in a parking spot makes you a car.

        • One sample of what passes for religious flyers in NZ:
          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10835898
          “The crudely written flyers have shown up across the small Bay of Plenty town. It appeared the material had been downloaded from fanatical creationist websites.

          “Are you a racist? You are if you believe in evolution!” the letter states.

          “Kids are taught in school that man evolved (changed) from a chimp. So I ask you who changed the most from a black chimp with black hair and brown eyes? A black man with black hair and brown eyes? Or a white man with blond hair and blue eyes?”

  192. Act only got 1% of the vote. Unfortunately the Conservative party have popped up. Swapped one racist bunch of clowns for another…

    Don’t worry though, I think most New Zealanders dislike this minority of idiots.

  193. The lesson above and beyond all arguments is simple, TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED….

    So if pakeha or white kiwis display an overwhelming amount of racism, then perhaps all of the immigrants should seriously consider pulling themselves out of the NZ economy, in other words all the small businesses (and there are a hell of a lot of them owned by migrants) should close (I wonder what that would do to tax revenue and socio economics in NZ?), they should all cash up and pull their money out of the banks and take it to some other place, all the students who come to study should also find an alternative and yank their respective dollars out of the economy when this happens the chain effect will be that there’ll be no people to rent or buy the property or cars or anything else, thereby creating a domino economic effect,

    NZ could go broke within weeks (not saying that it already isn’t but it would be worse) since if you pull the migrants and their respective value out of the economy there is not a lot left.. As a result of this some of our largest trading partners who are India and China could cut Free trade agreements which would royally screw over a large % of the export market that NZ is so dependant on…

    As a result what would be left here in NZ if all of these actions were to take place? “Some say oh that scenario will never happen” sure so its the extreme end of possibilities BUT the point is this, if indeed migrants and this is not exclusive to any particular group of migrants but any and all who have chosen NZ as their home were to hypothetically be erased from New Zealand, this country would be far poorer than what it is currently, and at a political level due to the sheer lack of revenue the Govt. would receive, spending on social and state services such as welfare and health would probably get axed, the parity between the middle class / elite wealthy pakeha and the poorer kiwis and Maori would become even more abundant and would most likely result in significant civil unrest causing more trouble….

    So to all the so called kiwis who have happily adopted the attitudes of racism, consider that you, your country and everything in it could be completely screwed if there were no migrants, if you ethnically cleansed migrants tomorrow you would just bitch and fight between yourselves until there would be very little left but a degenerate isolated population…

  194. I am a Caucasian Kiwi who works in a call centre for a bank.

    It is a very diverse workplace.

    The first thing I hear from many of our customers is “Oh it’s so good to speak to somebody who can speak English. I’ve just hung up on the last representative I was talking to and called back in because I couldn’t understand a word he was saying – he sounded Asian or something.”

    If I look at the notes from the previous rep, often he’s a guy with a masterate level qualification doing the same job for the same pay as myself (a high school dropout).

    It’s also fairly typical that the Mongoloid on the phone has no source of income bar the benefit, (which flies out of the account in a typically depressing round of KFC, TAB and King Dicks) and can barely articulate themselves due to the effects of endemic foetal alcohol
    syndrome, inbreeding and a culturally mandated lack of imagination.

    I find conversation with the migrant folks I work with is frequently much more satisfying than the banal groundhog day babble of rugby, beer and hows-the-weather you get from a large number of kiwis.

    They’re simply smarter.

    If I was a well qualified migrant engaged in any job which involved dealing with the New Zealand public, I would certainly resent my situation in life.

  195. Ever since primary school I’ve openly experienced racism because I’m of Chinese ethnicity, rest assured it only grew worse in high school.

    Do you know how bad it is to not feel welcomed in your own country. Even if I wanted to learn Chinese and live in China, I’d always be a foreigner there also. So yeah, I don’t have a place where I can really feel accepted.

    If I feel this way, I only worry about vulnerable Muslims who may be exploited by radical clerics. But maybe it’ll take something drastic for the bigoted population to ponder their ways.

    Hate is so much baggage – American History X, you lot should watch it. I plan to move to LA one day where there is less hate for an Asian like me.

    • If you have a New Zealand passport you become much more desirable to girls overseas from non-Western countries. Hang on to it!
      Quite a lot of love nowadays, is a transaction between a man and a woman. Things have certainly modernised.

    • I am sorry to hear about your experiences in New Zealand. Even though I am white, I have faced a lot of bigotry, bullying and sheer nastiness at work (with a government agency) because I am a ‘migrant’. I have travelled and lived in several different countries but have never felt so lonely or isolated as I do in NZ and I can’t wait to leave. Now I am saving all I can to get away as soon as possible. I think that’s just how kiwis are, they hate anyone different from them. Your idea to leave NZ is probably the best way forward. America may not be ideal though. I looked at working in America and found that they have no statutory entitlement to annual leave. Also, there is no such thing as paid maternity leave. Canada is a bit better, with 10 days entitlement to annual leave and maternity leave. My father lives in Vancouver and is married to a lady from Hong Kong and, as far as I have heard from them, they haven’t encountered the kind of racism people get here in NZ. Maybe you should look at Canada as well. Anyway, the best of luck with everything.

  196. from my experience YES….. Its horrible and getting worst…I feel that Ive have had to defend my maori culture all my life mainly at school and even in the workforce. It use to be sarcasim but now its just hateful, redneck racism. It is so bad these days that I have stopped reading the newpaper because Maori are always singled out in a negative way. Alot of us feel very isolated and worried about pakeha attitudes toward our culture..they are now saying that our hakas are embarrasing and stupid and our language is not worth speaking!!. They are also racist to our asian, indian and pacific island friends thats why these cultures may stick to their own too..makes sense really… they are intolerant, ignorant and believe all the anti maori crap that is feed to them everyday through the papers, tvs and certain politicians…

    I dont understand why they are like this. Maori culture is awesome, its has art (carvings, ta mokos), language (Te Reo), Music & performance (Waiatas and Hakas, ta mokos) modern cuisine using maori herbs, kai moana etc…mythology, traditions and protocols … it truly is a cool and worthwhile culture and Im so proud of this…but they dont want to know, they dont care…they are not sensitive to other cultures….they expect maori to give this all up ,,for what,,,they have no culture,,, nothing unique to offer, no history, no language (just english woopty doo…if you are in NZ studying or on holiday, dont take shit and be proud of your culture and watch them squirm…they are just jealous cos they have none..

    Now sorry, this is not all pakeha just the majority!!

    • Hi aotea (you seem to be channelling that half-Scottish Maori academic, Margaret Mutu, along with her weird ideas): (Permit me a ramble – oh wait, it’s not your blog, JK :) )

      It seems there’s always someone who says a solution is “Get Whitey(and everyone else who pays honest taxes)” when things go wrong – and it’s even funnier when it’s the same people who have previously got concessions from said “Whitey(and everyone else who pays honest taxes)” … who say they want to get along with Africans, Asians, Europeans Hispanics, Semites
      but …
      are the people who keep saying New Zealand is “bicultural” (i.e. “Pakeha” (in quotes since Caucasians, and me, find that offensive) and Maori – wait, are there any full-blooded ones?)
      – Maori means “normal/natural/ordinary”. Yes, I have some Te Reo background.
      – why do they want solidarity with the people they previously consciously excluded (Africans, Asians, Europeans, Hispanics, Semites)?

      If you keep calling NZ “bicultural”, don’t be surprised if everybody else thinks they are not welcome and do their darndest to use it as a stepping stone.

      What I even find more amazing is that those who are given every opportunity to succeed – CUP courses where marks are given for attendance! – preferential hiring despite past criminal records (I’m fully aware that everyone in prison is innocent :) ) – apparent preference for jobs regardless of educational background (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/04/a_racist_ad_by_candle.html) – lowered entry requirements for Med school (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10813483 : the golden takeaway gem comes from Ranginui Walker: “It only takes an IQ of 100 to succeed in medicine. It’s not rocket science.” hahaha :) ) – can either mess up so so so badly, or think they don’t have to lift a finger to succeed or need to fairly compete against anyone else.

      How many Maoris marched with the 10,000 Asians against crime and snatch theft, or any foreign visitor who had their things stolen?

      How many kaumatua tell their tamariki that saying “Whiwhia he mahi tuuturu?” How many say that crime is shameful? Yes, there is a lot of mamae in my ngakau.

      I’ve been to the boonies in NZ, and had a chance to look at posters saying, as an example “Men who smoke are weak weak weak” … the problem with that the present-day culture based completely around physicality is that it emphasises returns for the short term … and not the long. “Jake the Muss”/”being staunch” is a “result” that sustainable civilisation cannot bear in large numbers.

      So you’ll perhaps excuse this statement, but I don’t think people who keep on emphasising how “bicultural” NZ is, and how “because of past oppression of my people, I can be criminal or apathetic towards those in the present who didn’t perpetrate that original crime” … can claim solidarity with people who try to build lives of legitimacy and purpose while those previous people are doing their utmost to secure an unfair advantage based on sentiment.
      To paraphrase Anonymous, (Immigrants are)”Not your private army”.

      I hope I don’t hear that tired nonsense “We must raise our standards and values” …
      remember: A world-class level of education – comes with a world class number of failures. Raising the standards is going to mean more of that. Not to mention, without opportunity – your best and brightest will be going overseas, while immigrants try to build a life on a lower pay scale – and the people who fail because of the raised standards will start saying that “we can upskill to the level of these immigrants easily (who had to meet university academic prerequisites, and study for years), jobs for kiwis (How realistically sustainable is that?)”.
      Every stable society … can only continue to exist if reciprocation is apparent.
      Remove that, and you are going to be paying more to a growing class of unproductive, criminal elements who ask to be paid off via “protection money”.
      Sounds like Mafia to me…

      The other funny thing is of course, the relations-between-sexes bit.
      Some NZers are not comfortable with the idea they may have to share their women and men with outsiders.
      Problem: when ethnics are “unofficially banned” via social ostracism (how often do you see photos of non-“Pakeha”/non-Maori in nightspots? or having fun with others?) and relational aggression from legitimately mixing with their NZ counterparts via marriage (seems hookups are okay) – they form ghettoes of their own.

      Problem: when ethnics can mix with their NZ counterparts, they get flak from obvious racists … some of whom may be their own parents, like in the UK: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184351/David-Frances-Champion-Parents-jailed-battering-daughter-just-black-boyfriend.html

      P.S. These attitudes, have been predicted by New Scientist in 2007 … to leave 30% of all NZ/Australian women born since 1975 – without a partner, EVER.

      These problems will exist, and will persist, so long as some people in NZ think they can or should stop immigrants from putting down roots in NZ.

      What I’ve seen: it’s not a “Pakeha”/Maori problem – it’s an NZ problem, PERIOD. Don’t hit me with the jade patu or hardwood taiaha – it’s true, and I’m only the messenger. I’m pretty sure “Bic” Runga’s experience growing up (she’s Maori-Chinese, had such an interesting time of “racial harmony” in NZ that she left) … bears out my point.
      Oh yeah, in b4 Godwin’s Law, Hitler, Nazi, etc. etc.
      What solutions do you have, aotea?

      • An example of preferential hiring despite a criminal record (this guy is allegedly a paedophile)
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7545601/Turangis-firebomb-fury

        Darren Simon Kihi released to Turangi, where he’d been on work release for two years, and had guaranteed employment.

        anecdotally, I was told by domestic students … that prisoners lived better than them … mmm, heated floors, lovely meals, guaranteed job. Anyone see the problem here?

      • I do apologize, but there seemed to be little structure or coherence in your post so I’ll admit I’m a little confused by your comment. I hope you are able to offer some clarification.
        I take it from your response to Aotea, you are not to sympathetic to Maori.
        What I would like to ask you to clarify is why you believe it is acceptable to advocate on a forum which is opposed to racism whilst engaging in said behavior?
        Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong and I’m paraphrasing, but I believe you inferred that; Maori are unsuccessful in academics and believe they do not have to “lift a finger to succeed or need to fairly compete against anyone else”.
        You believe Maori do not sympathize with the 10,000 Asians who marched against crime. As a Maori I was very concerned about fellow kiwis who were affected by these crimes. But why bother asking when you have already passed judgement on Maori?
        Whiwhia he magi tuuturu? What exactly are you implying? I come from a large extended family and everyone is employed in meaningful jobs, attending University and Polytechnic.
        I ask of you honestly, do not Maori strive to build a legitimate life with purpose for themselves and their family? If not, why? Because of the colour of our skin, the minute 0.0002% difference in DNA? Class distinctions? Give me a logical reason why these racist beliefs should apply to ALL Maori, yet you feel it is unacceptable for kiwis to impose the same behavior and mentality on immigrants?
        Also, regarding hook ups and marriages, wtf are you on about?!
        I have 26 first cousins, every single one of them is married to a NON-Maori immigrant from Europe, Asia, USA & the Pacific. Where do you get these ‘facts’ from?
        Your notions are quaint and idealistic, please move into the 21st century with the rest of us.
        To be succinct; you may camouflage your prejudice in ambiguous and rambling paragraphs, but a rose by any other name would still reek of covert racism.

        • @Liss: I think I understand what you’re saying.
          To put it in a line, you are saying:
          People who speak out against racism, are racist.
          But please, carry on with your twisted rationalisations.
          After all, consequences are the only thing that will teach some people.
          P.S. Tolerance isn’t acceptance.

          • Yes, in my extended family I also have people married to those of other ethnicities. Male AND female.
            Your notion that people should not stand up for equitable treatment in a country that prides itself on being classless and accepting of immigrants, is the quaint one.
            Please join us in the 21st Century, where the people who didn’t wrong you … don’t take the blame for what other people did!
            And realise that when a “rare privilege” becomes an “statutory obligation” … you can expect that without careful monitoring and adherence to standards – across the board – that all will suffer from a reduction in competence AND higher fees from those who are.
            If you care about the future of NZ … you’d certainly think it wise not to alienate the people who’ve given up a chunk of their life savings to invest in your country to the best of their ability and to get by without affirmative action.

        • This was in reply to “Lisylis” (is that you, Liss?), on the page http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/sean-plunket/7839270/Treaty-mars-efforts-to-make-Waitangi-special

          tbird22 hours ago

          People need to learn what racism is. Racism is NOT having a personal opinion about someone else’s culture. Racism is NOT describing your attacker to police. Racism is not reading out facts.

          Racism is forcing races to be segregated, different water fountains, different movie theatres, back of the bus type thing. Racism is saying white people and Asians need 89% GPA to do Medicine at uni, but reserving seats for a special race. Racism is saying that white people and Asians need to pay full fees for their counselling for depression, while letting a special race have it for free. Racism is making everyone pay money to a particular race.

          An worst of all… in our parliament, in the place they make the laws we must all follow… In a country with 6th gen Kiwis, Chinese, Samoan, Indian, Tongan, English, Korean, Dutch, Niuean, South African, Filipino, and hundreds of other “ethnicities” – we have parliamentary seats reserved for a few over-paid, lazy, Maori elite.

          That, Lisylis, is racism.

    • Isn’t it a big racist to say that Europeans have “nothing unique to offer, no history, no language?” THat is as ignorant and racist statement as those that have been made about your culture. Europe has a rich and diverse history and culture, and is really a melting pot. Think the Romans, Etruscans, Greeks, Turkish civilisation, the Celts, and all the leaps and bounds we have made. THe English language shows our history through the amount of languages that make it up.It is downright ignorant to say that Europeans have no culture, and shows your racism. All cultures, Maori, Pacifika, European, African, Chines, Japanese, ALL are worthwile. ALL have unique things to offer. I absolutely love studying foreign languages and cultures as I I said, they all have unique histories and perspectives to offer.

  197. Advice for ASIANS going to NZ: Avoid NZ at all cost…small country…haters of asians….no respect for you as an asian……They treat ASIANS as PIGS and treat you worse…
    GO to US of A or better UK..at least they implement anti-HATE crimes

  198. After reading all the comments above I cant help but feel the people creating this board and the subsequent comments are racist against New Zealanders. I work in a company in NZ that has a large proportion of Indian and Chinese workers, not one of them would have experienced an ounce of racism or been abused/groped etc in the way that the above refers to. In fact just in my team 2 chinese guys got jobs before NZers and were very happy to have them in the team, one was a student who graduated from Auckland Uni and doesnt have anything bad to say about it.

    Auckland is approximately 23% Asian – after reading this board you’re saying every one ot these people has been abused in some way??? Give me a break I cannot believe that. Maybe you had a bad experience, Ive travelled the world and have had just as bad/worse experiences in Indonesia (knife pulled on me and assaulted), Thailand (gear stolen), Turkey (Gun pointed at me), UAE (verbally abused, theft from a hotel), Holland (assaulted) and India (gear stolen), none in France, Singapore, Hong Kong, Germany, Canada, Belgium, UK or the US – I wouldnt be small minded enough to think those entire countries, where something happened, are racist/or theiving scumbags just because of a couple bad apples… I would be justified though, and should be able to speak my mind about it as this board has demonstrated – maybe Ill set up my own hate board for these countries just as you all have.

    We have our problems – all countries do. But really its up to each and every individual to make themselves better or make the place a better place … Did any of you above try to change anything whilst in NZ – apply to do charity work, help out people in any way etc More than likely not. I would think you came for your own benefit, and more than likely other people noticed.

    To be honest we dont need people that moan and b*tch, its a good thing your gone!

    • Thank you John, we see from your IP address that you are located at the ANZ National Bank.

      We’d like to hear from anyone who works for a bank in New Zealand who’s endured racism at work – either from colleagues or customers, or from anyone who’s been discriminated against by a NZ bank because of their race.

    • Are those Indian and Chinese workers – former international students, or New Zealanders?
      Because here’s one New Zealander … who can’t find work. Oh, and he’s Asian:
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6633785/Year-of-the-Dragon-white-or-wong

      Auckland is approximately 23% Asian – after reading this board you’re saying every one ot these people has been abused in some way???
      NZ is more than just Auckland.

      Did any of you above try to change anything whilst in NZ – apply to do charity work, help out people in any way etc More than likely not.
      Yeah, I did – unfortunately it’s kind of hard to help for the long term when the job that gives you a sense of purpose, that you’re pretty good at, with helping other people – only lasts 6 months in a year, and is not on the Skills Shortage List
      P.S. I gained a STEM qualification …. completely in NZ … and was told by recruitment agencies that “we don’t hire or place people on the graduate visa, and we only hire permanent residents”.
      Other people that I knew who were in the “help people” professions, who came from overseas … were told to “go home” despite pleas from their employers that they could not find a replacement, or that the ones they found – could not be relied on to help and care for the aged.

    • In fact just in my team 2 chinese guys got jobs before NZers and were very happy to have them in the team, one was a student who graduated from Auckland Uni and doesnt have anything bad to say about it.
      You can hire 10,000 immigrants if you want – but I doubt you are in charge of HR.
      How many of them will be around after the 90 day probationary period?
      P.S. How long have YOU been in your job. And do you think you will stay? :)

  199. The fact is us New Zealanders, especially in Auckland dont want immigrants. They cant speak english properly and dont fit into the culture. Many real Kiwi’s dont say much but privately amoungst themselves immigrants are not liked nor wanted. I find white NZers and Maoris have the same opinion on this. Live with this fact.

    • I am NZ born but grew up in and worked in melanesia (pacific islands,png). heres another fact, europeans ,when they live in another country , dont even bother to learn the local language, and completley isolate themselves from the local culture. I know what its like to immigrate,it is a hard thing to do,but western europeans are the worst when it comes to assimilating into a foriegn culture.

  200. Thanks for all the posts… It has enlightened me… I am being offered New Zealand as my next assignment but after reading all this stuff, I think I will go to Jakarta… I have been staying at Sofitel for more than a year now, I have a Suite… I was supposed to transfer to Wellington but will advise my bosses of Jakarta. I am an Asian engineer so NZ might not be good for me and my family…